Original video of the Villeneuve-Loubet exhumation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 มี.ค. 2008
- This video shows the exhumation of 14 missing German soldiers from a mass grave in Villeneuve-Loubet, near Nice, in southern France. These soldiers were members of Reserve Divison 148, commanded by Generalleutnant Otto Fretter-Pico. They were killed in action in Villeneuve on August 26 1944, in a battle against Canadian and American soldiers of the "First Special Service Force" shortly after the Allied invasion of southern France (Operation Dragoon, First Airborne Task Force). Local Frenchmen buried the bodies in a mass grave that was only rediscovered in 2006. The bodies were exhumed under the supervision of the German War Graves Comission (Volksbund) and were later reburied at the Berneuil German Military Cemetery, in France. Several bodies were identified thanks to their identification tags, and a few surviving familly members were found. However several bodies are still not identified, and any information on potential possibilities would be welcome (Any German soldiers of Reserve Division 148 reported missing singe August 1944).
The author of this video is looking for surviving veterans as well as all and any documentation and information regarding the war in the area of Nice, Cannes, Grasse and Sospel, and the First Airborne Task Force, First Special Service Force, and Reserve Division 148. He can be contacted at the following email address: jean-loup@gassend.com
-Pour plus de détails sur la recherche de soldats portés disparus: findthemia.blogspot.com/
-For detailed information about this exhumation: autopsyofabattle.blogspot.com/
-Des informations détaillées sur cette exhumation, le déroulement de la bataille dans laquelle les soldats ont été tués, leurs identités, et de nombreux autres renseignements sur la guerre dans la région de Nice peuvent être retrouvées dans le livre Autopsie d'une Bataille: autopsyofabattle.blogspot.fr/
-Auskunft auf Deutsch: division148.blogspot.com/
-For more details about WWII research projects and battlefield archaeology:
battlefieldarchaeology.blogspo...
**Contact: jean-loup@gassend.com **
Exhumation a Villeneuve-Loubet d'une fosse commune contenant les corps de 14 soldats allemands portes disparus. Ces soldats avaient ete tues a Villeneuve dans un combat contre la First Special Service Force en aout 1944. Les corps ont ete retrouves grace aux temoignages et a l'aide precieuse des habitants de Villeneuve. Grace aux plaques d'identités decouvertes sur les corps, une partie des soldats ont pu etre identifiés, et quelques familles ont pu être retrouvé.
Pour toute question concernant des recherches de soldats allemands disparus ou pour me contacter, voici mon email: jean-loup@gassend.com
Ausbettung 14 vermisster Deutscher Soldaten nähe Nizza in Frankreich.
Diesen Soldaten fielen im August 1944, Zivilisten begruben sie damals in einem Massengrab.
Die Erkennungsmarken ermöglichten das einige wenige Soldaten identifiziert werden konnten, dies ermöglichte im Nachhinein das einige Familienmitglieder aufgespürt und benachrichtigt werden konnten.
Jedoch von den meisten war Identifikation leider nicht mehr Möglich.
Falls Sie vermuten das ein Angehöriger von Ihnen sich unter den unbekannten Soldaten befinden könnte, (Zeitangabe der Vermissung ab 1944 und Angehöriger die Reserve Division 148), können Sie gerne mit mir Kontakt aufnehmen:
jean-loup@gassend.com
Gerne möchte ich auch in Kontakt kommen mit Deutschen Veteranen der Reserve Division 148 die derzeit in der Umgebung von Nizza Cannes, Grasse und Sospel in 1944 stationiert waren. Ich suche Bücher, Fotos und weitere Dokumente aus der Zeit des Krieges Rund um Nizza. Wenn sie mir dabei helfen können, bitte melden Sie sich bei mir: jean-loup@gassend.com .
**Reserve Division 148**
Reserve Grenadier Bataillon 7
Reserve Jäger Bataillon 28
Reserve Grenadier Bataillon 164
Reserve Grenadier Bataillon 327
Reserve Grenadier Bataillon 372
Reserve Grenadier Bataillon 444
Reserve Grenadier Regiment 8
Reserve Grenadier Regiment 239
Reserve Artillerie Abteilung 44
Reserve Artillerie Regiment 8
Infanterie Division 34
Best comments posted:
"Strange here they were people that had lives friends and family started from babies they went to school they had military training and then we find what is left of them at they bottom of a pit never to tell their stories to anyone death is hard to wrap your head around in my opinion."
"Innocent soldiers, why did u die?"
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Makes me very sad. No matter where a soldier came from, he made the ultimate sacrifice for his country. Please don't forget that fallen soldier was somebody's son, maybe a father, brother. Imagine the horror of never knowing what became of your loved one. He deserves respect and dignity. Happy that some families finally found closure.
you dont fight for your country, your fighting some one elss war the real hero is the one who didnt got to war that one empty seat on the plane
I'm pretty sure if those guys tried to sit it out, they would die in a concentration camp, or be shot in the head in front of their family.
Somebody's sons, somebody's fathers, somebody's brothers. They are entitled to a decent burial.
i agree. They may not even have been nazi's - but because of the uniform they have that dark mark plantet on em.
From an old soldier to these soldiers RIP I hope that now any surviving family members can have somewhere to visit and place flowers. The cause you fought for and believed in was never the right one but respect to you for serving . The world since has not learned from this and never will .
With each tag placed with the body, it means, one more soldier goes home, the final time. One more, is honored with the rest he earned, and, deserves. Each tag is the finale of a lifetime's of searching for these men. Each time, a notice is made, it means, the story can be finished. And, they, will rest in peace forever under their name.
"Only the dead know the end of war." Aristotle
one of my grandfathers is burried somewhere in russia. i whish i would know where he lies , just to visit a grave from a man who never made it back home and thank him , that i am alive and that the children of his children remember him. in the name of other children and grandchildren of fallen soldiers. thanks for the work. merci . danke.
I 'am so glad to see that they received a proper burial . May God rest there souls .
Excellent job on the video work, and closing.
now the soldiers can go home to their familys. thank you for saving!
regards from germany
ZUG STEINER
Strange here they were people that had lives friends and family started from babies they went to school they had military training and then we find what is left of them at they bottom of a pit never to tell their stories to anyone death is hard to wrap your head around in my opinion.
May they rest in peace.
i must admit that,seeing the french modern day soldiers stand at the grave of the Germans moved me a lot, just to see how far we all came. and may those men finally rest in peace and may god have mercy on them.
Five of my great-uncles died in ww1 and theres only one who as a known grave.I'am glad that these men were found and buried.
All soldiers who serve their country have earned the right to be buried in their country ! May these soldiers Meine Ehre Heibt !
Bring them home. No matter what the war. The soldiers were just ponds in the greater scheme of events.
+THEREALCANNA They will stay with their comrades in the german memorial. That's maybe even better than go back to an unknown cimetery that maybe nobody will visit, considering they still perhaps remain no familly.
+THEREALCANNA Thank you.
The true measure of a hero is when a man lays down his life knowing the people whom he saves.....
Will never know
What a meticulous archeological work !
These soldiers would have been certainly very proud and happy to see that, even so long after their death, they wouldn't be forgotten, their famillies will finally know the place they're dead and their boddy could find a place into a true grave and receive the military honors for their interment.
They'll can rest in peace now. A young man dead in fight for his country deserves that.
“Innocent soldiers” died following the orders of a madman who unleashed the deaths of 80 million people from violent death, mass rape, starvation, disease. The civilians who died are the true innocents, who had no choice and nowhere to go. At least the soldiers had guns and grenades.
Of all of the Requiem compositions I’ve sung, performed, or studied, Mozart’s carries the message better than any other, for me. How he transmits torture using instruments and voices I’ll never know. But he did it. Faure’s has many gorgeous moments, but it is for those who’ve lived mostly clean lives, with the assurance of Heaven.
Finally. The only person on here whose said what needs to be said.
Soldiers fighting for the Nazis were not heroes.
how about some english subtitles there buddy
Yeah what the hell are they saying?
+Grant Hagen Yes, english title, but no subtitles, it's like a trap to have a lot of views without any effort !
Now they can be buried in proper way
So did the tags have identity numbers to determine who these military men were?
+Robert Chittenden Read the description and check the links, that answer your question. The answer is yes, 8 men identified out of 14.
at least these men were given respect and given a proper military burial
Show respect for the fallen and let them Rest In Peace.
What about the relatives? What about history? I agree with MrArtDeco about the blah blah blah rest in peace thing.
"The bodies were exhumed under the supervision of the German War Graves Comission (Volksbund) and were later reburied at the Berneuil German Military Cemetery, in France."
Prvacy Goune That is commendable.
it's just germans, good riddance
CastelDawn Silly comment.
May they all rest in piece
@ Mike T
Sometimes such land is desired to be re-purposed for contemporary uses. Better to recognize and re-inter them than have them poking up in flower beds or spread thin by earth moving equipment.
took a hit to the face.. part of his jaw and cheek are gone.. to think it hasn't moved since he was buried.
R.I.P.
Barry My Grand father was a Lt. Col. under Gen. Markus Clark. He graduated VMI was capt. of the fencing team I have a picture of him and the Gen. Clark and also his class ring
what an incredibly assenine thing to write.
Amazing i love it. WW2 is my favorite thing to learn about i enjoyed the video..awesome work!
Why they give you thumbs down?You are right they are poor bastards.
Your souls assemblies in our hearts, whatever time, you heroes, keep your souls, precious metals in the sky of the LRA
in every war... you kill some1, when u think of it. you wonder. Who was he... where did he came from. was he really as evil as you thought?
NO MORE WAR!!
😔
Sad
Danke,Merci, Kamerad!
Hast du die letzte Fotos in die Video gesehen? Das war vermisste Toten, und jetzt sind sie identifiziert undruhen sie in ein Friedhof.
***R.I.P***
***Salute****
cso how about some more info tags ? what is on them? what happened here?
Watch this update video for your answers: th-cam.com/video/aZrhUoRdsAQ/w-d-xo.html
R.I.P
Rest again, in peace.
What is the music in this video?
+adam co
"Requiem" Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
+adam co
It´s the beginning
Than you very much.
Soonosoo, it sounds as though you think that a professional soldier is justified in acts of rape, torture and murder, as long as it's during a war.
Yes.. Some even say he murdered twice as many of his own people...
im not sure what to think here. the bodies are buried less than 100 years. have we lost all respect for the dead? would you be angry if someone went through your family plot and unearthed? i know that thats not a family plot but all the same....
quien no conoce la historia esta condenado a repetirla...
I think that some people look at these bones as if they were celebrities!
Dans la description: "Grace aux plaques d'identités decouvertes sur les corps, une partie des soldats ont pu etre identifiés, et quelques familles ont pu être retrouvé."
It as in France, from our excavation does not differ in any way.
It's not quite that simple I'm afraid.
I think that any intelligent, sane person, regardless of their nationality, would realize that:
-it's wrong to execute thousands of live children by throwing them into an incinerator.
-it's wrong to execute 1360 weakened civilian prisoners (per day) by lining them up and slicing their throats, one by one.
This is not what I call "duty". The demon who did this won a contest and got treated like royalty.
In my eyes, as a soldier, eliminating the enemy is done in battle, not in cowardice.
RIP
That was so long ago I don't understand why not leave the graves alone? It isn't like their mom and dads are still alive waiting for him to come home that was 70+ years ago what is the point?
+Mike T No, their moms and dads are no longer waiting for them, but their brothers, sisters and children are, as you could find out by viewing the links posted in the description.
Exactly. Leave them alone
+Lou Barra And what happend with burry them with dignity, they deserve their graves to be marked and their story told
+R. J. Lombardi I can agree with you on that...but I think people that are into anthropology are happy digging ANYTHING up as long as there digging
Mike T My dear sir I don't know...
mass graves was common in WW2 , the US Quartermaster Corps , really didn't have the time for each body , either it be German or Japanese. So mass burial was done to get the area cleaned for occupation ( like base camps for advancing units ). It happened in all theaters of war , example of german and Japanese doing the same for americans and it's allies. That's why the high MIA counts. We followed the same in Korea and the Vietnam war and as late as the first Gulf War , when bodies was bulldozed into pits and buried. I myself seen mass graves in Iraq from victims of Saddam and the later insurgent forces.
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Can you imagine how astounded these soldiers would be, if you could bring them back to life and talk to them, how much the world has changed? Computers, satellite communications, smart phones, GPS, advances in health care, etc. And, of course, how WW2 ended, the beginning of the nuclear era, and how the global map has been changed.
By the time this fight occurred in August 1944, Germans were all well aware that they'd already lost the war. In fact, many knew in 1943. It wouldn't have been a surprise to these soldiers how the war ended.
ganimed1976: actually, some soldiers used "war" as a convenient opportunity to do some very horrific things to civilians and enemy soldiers.
These monsters do not deserve a dignified funeral.
This is why we have the term "War Crime".
They far exceed the limits of what is commonly accepted in true battle.
Sadly, these monsters usually enjoy terrorizing and torturing their victims.
I have to wonder what sort of mixed emotions those Frenchmen felt as they exhumed the skeletal remains of their former invaders,conquerors, and occupiers. Resentment, sorrow or both... interest in giving family members alive today some closure? My mother was a young girl living in the Wustenrort ( probably spelled wrong ) area of western Germany when her father marched off to WWII. She is 81 years old now but still sharp as a tack mentally. I'm sure had her father never returned she would have felt some great emotion as to finally be given some closure.
im confused
I would find this work heart breaking, but important. These men served their country. Period. I don't understand, in this day in age, why so many people still think ALL Germans were Nazis. Soldiers are people, people are both good and bad, so we have good and bad Soldiers. Germany, Japan, and Russia did bad things to their enemies AND their own people. There were some bad things that occurred on the Allied side, as well, just not on the same scale. I had Uncles that fought in WW2, and feel confident that they would have had no problem with these men being brought home.
And as for all those here trying to blame one side or the other. It was war and these things go on when guys have seen the friends die in front of them.
In France. Very well cone and thoughtful. Jean-Loup is an excellent person.
Jean-Loup is a piece of shit
War is a horrible thing
History has shown that the common soldier was never intended to be self-aware..he was intended to be a killer...a target...a puppet.
However I believe that almost everyone knows between right and wrong.
I do, as a soldier and civilian.
We've seen that soldiers "following orders" have been courtmartialed for their actions because "they should have known better".
You are correct that propaganda blurs the truth.
The civilian population is equally, if not more deceived than the soldiers.
Uno más de los innumerables y ocultados crimenes de guerra aliados
Although I do agree with you on pretty much all the above. I think for the benefit of the families, it would be suitable for the fallen to have proper burial. I think it should be up to the family (if any can be located) on leaving the soldier there or not. Unknowns, well, think they deserve proper burial too. Regardless of what side they were on.
If that's the best comment you can make, I believe that our discussion has ended.
Leave these guys in peace.
two wrongs dont make a right and there is no excuse for dragging wounded soldiers from their hospital beds and murdering them
Its near Villenueve/Loubet. Casualties from fighting with the FSSF.
i do not know i was just trying to promote debate
Well, in a way they are. Its a time era that inpacted many different people. For many different reasons.
By the way I once worked in a military museum and we had a team who (among ohter things) exhumated soldiers and reburried them. They told me the DANGERS OF EXHUMATION. They were all given at least a dosen of additional VACTINATION to even work wiht human remains. Tuching remains BARE HANDED is wery dangerous especially in WET earth. One shoud wear at least ANY KIND OF GLOVES. When we cataloged the BELONGINGS (not the remains), we were ordered NOT TO TUCH EVEN THOSE WITHOUT GLOVES.
Are you in real awareness of what you are writing?
RIP camarades
Good job
Alle Achtung !
No matter what side these soldiers fought on all fallen should be treated with great respect. At least there going home. One things for sure, it appears remains from fallen soldiers from WW1 and WW2 are being looted for there helmets more son on the eastern front in Russia. Its ashame this still goes on. I think if you find a soldiers grave notify the authority's. The price of a solders helmet would be $100 rusted but you notifying someone and them going home is priceless.
That's pretty fucked up....
I noticed how, whom ever threw these men into the mass grave, failed to take their I.D. Tags. 2:12 shows them looking at one. More than likely, these men would have been considered MIA until THE VERY DAY of the find, ultimately becoming KIA. Even though many will say " blah blah let them rest in peace," NOW, can they rest in peace.
5:37 also shows more 'dog tags" being pulled off another soldier
likely tossed in the pit from an Allied burial party post battlefield clean up & probably as the result of a rapid advance in that area, German burial parties would have taken the bottom half of the ID tags & any useful items such as the Helmets & Ammo belts.
MGTOW Galtist Truly, the realities of war.
***** it may have been 'policy' but you're dealing with individuals who at times simply couldn't give a fuck, drafted into service, thousands of miles from home, didn't want to be there, wasn't given a choice handling stinking decaying corpses.....frankly i'd probably do the same.....try using your head instead of sitting on your high horse making grandiose pronouncements..
Good that these soldiers finally received a decent burial and are now reunited with their comrades. Requiescat in pace tapfere soldaten!
That is quite interesting.
What was the initial belief before the war? How about WW1?
Did your German contact say anything about how they justified marching people into a slaughter? How did he live with himself after that?
i wonder where are their uniform
The disentagrated
The Frenchmen dig Germans. We too found Germans and transferred German archeologists.
Crazy to think how long ago it was. 16 and damn now theres fucking people digging up bones and shit
onore e rispetto per questi soldati
R I P AND GOOD JOB
i watched the movie:
th-cam.com/video/8Y7G0dfENiw/w-d-xo.html
My grandfather fight and survived the war in 148 infantry division,in 286
Grenadier Regiment in France and Italy.
He was "San.Unteroffizier" from 1944. he was interned by the Americans in
Italy. In a POW camp in Rorschach, Switzerland in 1945, he returned to
Polish Silesia.
I'm his grandson, I have my own computer company. Lived in Poland in Lodz
I have my grandfather a lot of documents from the Second World War.
link:
forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=120248
He fight in 148 Infanterie-Division, in 286 Grenadier Regiment in France and
Italy.
He was "San.-Gefreiter" since 5.februar 1944r.
He was "San.Unteroffizier" since 1.09.1944r.
Photo's it's scan from my original documents.
if still the subject arouses interest, I can share documents in my
possession
Yours sincerely
Zdzisław Wanke
e-mail: wankez@data.pl
Avez-vous trouve l'identities des soldats/
Émouvant, même s'ils étaient des ennemis.
What nationality where these souls?
German.
let them rest in peace -.-
Not to sound stupid or ignorant, but is it considered taboo to discuss nazi ancestry in Germany? also as a follow up question would most people there today want to know or even care if someone told you they found your dead nazi great grandfather or great great uncle? I'm just curious.
Ma la terra non muore mai
....Ecco là io vedo mio padre, ecco là io vedo mia madre e le mie sorelle e i miei fratelli, ecco là io vedo tutti i miei parenti defunti, dal principio alla fine. Ecco, ora chiamano me, mi invitano a prendere posto in mezzo a loro nella sala del Valhalla, dove l'impavido può vivere per sempre
Per mille anni e per sempre
siegh hail
their souls are in heaven so their remains MUST belong to science
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soonosoo, are you saying that an ordinary soldier's purpose is to perform ethnic cleansing? I don't believe it is.
Do you believe that mass murder of unarmed civilians aged 1 through 99 is part of war?
I have no respect for a cowardly murderer, as this has nothing to do with a ordinary soldier's duty.
If the Waffen SS were not involved in these heinous acts, I wouldn't refer to them as war criminals. Comparatively, any guard, who abuses innocent civilians is a criminal.
veramente un bel servizio
nie przebierano w srodkach pochowku w czasie wojny.
Your Mothers legs weren't crossed for all of us, boy!