What Is IMPERMANENT LOSS? DEFI Explained - Uniswap, Curve, Balancer, Bancor

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  • Have you ever provided liquidity to a liquidity pool just to realise that some of your coins have gone missing? In this video, we’ll learn what “impermanent loss” is and how it can affect liquidity providers’ profits.
    In essence, impermanent loss is a temporary loss of funds occurring when providing liquidity. It’s very often explained as a difference between holding an asset versus providing liquidity in that asset. Impermanent loss is usually observed in standard liquidity pools where the liquidity provider (LP) has to provide both assets in a correct ratio, and one of the assets is volatile in relation to the other, for example, in a Uniswap DAI/ETH 50/50 liquidity pool.
    If ETH goes up in value, the pool has to rely on arbitrageurs continually ensuring that the pool price reflects the real-world price to maintain the same value of both tokens in the pool. This basically leads to a situation where profit from the token that appreciated in value is taken away from the liquidity provider. At this point, if the LP decides to withdraw their liquidity, the impermanent loss becomes permanent.
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  • @Finematics
    @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    ❓Have you ever been affected by Impermanent Loss?
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    • @90nomads
      @90nomads 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I got wrecked on AMPL/ETH pool - such bad timing 😥

    • @anon-jo5gm
      @anon-jo5gm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      What happens in the "opposite" scenario where token A increases in price and token B remains the same? What happens if both tokens increase in value? (Can't find the answer anywhere)

    • @jadeemme3697
      @jadeemme3697 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hey, would you be able to explain how APRs are calculated/executed for LP providers? Some of those APRs listed are insanely highly, like 1000% APR. Is that too good to be true, and how do the LPers accrue this APR? Through tokens? Through the coins they put into the LP?

    • @siralexbateman
      @siralexbateman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, do you effectively get more if the opposite happened? The coin value goes down. Do you get the coins back plus more $?

    • @AlexTrout79
      @AlexTrout79 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I’ve been affected by both impermanent and permanent loss

  • @fatjohn1408
    @fatjohn1408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +553

    I could listen to you saying 'arbitrageur' all day.

  • @Hopeyoumakeit
    @Hopeyoumakeit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    your channel is a gem

  • @scottPL77
    @scottPL77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    I've already gone through two videos on your channels and both explained to me difficult concepts which I failed before to understand by reading about them. Thanks for that. Really good ratio of knowledge shared vs. video length :)

    • @gwho
      @gwho 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This didn't explain jack.

    • @BillBlackfund4u
      @BillBlackfund4u 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gwho Made sense to me...

    • @crvne
      @crvne 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      o0o I love that! knowledge:vid Length is a new key metric imo.

    • @cryptomadness7271
      @cryptomadness7271 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gwho go back to one of his beginner videos.

  • @theprez77
    @theprez77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Its great that Count Von Count is teaching Defi to the kids..
    Great vids, thank you kindly for making, but sorry had to do it.

  • @beny.5736
    @beny.5736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I guess the key lesson is that if you are providing liquidity, do so in assets that are expected to maintain their relative value over the long term if you don't want to suffer from impermanent loss.

    • @gnarxy
      @gnarxy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      but you're missing the point of the LP tokens. Say you are doing a SOME TOKEN/DAI pair.. and providing the liquidity. DAI is a stable coin.. so even if SOME TOKEN goes up 500% in value, which would give you impermanent loss of about 25% of SOME TOKEN. But you also received the LP token for that pull and are farming more of SOME TOKEN at a 2000% APY, the additional SOME TOKENS you are earning and able to harvest, far outweigh the impermanent loss.

    • @mr.november1857
      @mr.november1857 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How do you know that they’re going to maintain their relative value? You don’t. Especially if it’s two assets you’re providing - making it that much challenging. The incentives I believe and the lack of fear can help - just don’t know anyone knows if anyone knows anything tbh

    • @parrishdominguez3495
      @parrishdominguez3495 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gnarxy If you see this comment can you look at my question I posted up top :), I think you just answered my question. Is it fair to say if the APY is higher than the Impermanent Loss, and assuming the Assets didnt drop to 0. Profits will be made?

    • @Showmetheevidence-
      @Showmetheevidence- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True, except crypto is - by it's nature - so volatile that it's almost impossible to predict. Stable coins might be the only ones that have any level of stability.
      Pesonally I think for smaller investors you're actually better off just staking coins.

    • @Showmetheevidence-
      @Showmetheevidence- 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mr.november1857 They're mostly making it up! No-one can accurately predict the ratios of coin values...

  • @youtubeismyjockey7581
    @youtubeismyjockey7581 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Well explained, the calculation example really helps!

  • @JustMe-dw9rl
    @JustMe-dw9rl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow I’ve just found these videos. You explain everything in a succinct way with all the pertinent information. Thank you!
    It should help a lot of people.

  • @Bashar3A
    @Bashar3A 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Great video. I'm holding on to some volatile assets I'm expecting to raise in price in near future, and thus reluctant to putting it in pools.

  • @clearlybehind
    @clearlybehind 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you. Fantastic video. Arbitrageur part was explained in simple terms which was helpful putting together the whole concept.

  • @Gibonsli
    @Gibonsli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you for the professionalism!

  • @elhexidente9832
    @elhexidente9832 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Cant believe i didn't find this channel earlier! Thank you!

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm glad you found it now :)

  • @nonamedlish
    @nonamedlish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank youman, I finally understand. Trying to learn this by reading about it was a nightmare

  • @jeromio21
    @jeromio21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks man , you are making Defi really accessible for everybody :)

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great to hear! Thanks :)

  • @theflipside2709
    @theflipside2709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Clear, succinct explanation!

  • @mattdhorstman
    @mattdhorstman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Clear, concise, well-illustrated example. Well done.

  • @geekkstuff6674
    @geekkstuff6674 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Finally understood permanent loss. Better than most videos on the topic. Loves the examples on how much you can lose.

  • @aaronfreeman4144
    @aaronfreeman4144 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    This channel is awesome. I'm grateful for your expertise and time.

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thanks! Great to hear :)

  • @alainlavallee3448
    @alainlavallee3448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally a clear explanation , great

  • @tyvaughnholness1985
    @tyvaughnholness1985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was fantastic, thank you! I appreciated the detail on the examples as well.

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful!

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    @jeremyhazel9074 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    @MrGrannyStylez 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    @GreenfieldPortfolioResearch 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @jesseallan9006
    @jesseallan9006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent explanation. Thank you!

  • @gutzz12
    @gutzz12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    very informative always buddy
    thanks

  • @mcJayX
    @mcJayX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AMAZING video. Thanks for posting.

  • @marcelchuo
    @marcelchuo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best explainer video on DeFi out there. Thanks man

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    @soundisfunction 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel is truly phenomenal

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    @nada347_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Liked and subscribed. Thank you for explaining these so effectively.

  • @gmanova
    @gmanova 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what a fantastic explanation. thank you.

  • @giordanogiordani81
    @giordanogiordani81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi, Finematics Team. How are you doing? Guys please, allow automatic subtitles in your videos. Maybe it will help a lot of others people, subscribers of your channel and me as well. As a no-english speacker even though been fluent in english, subtitles always help...thanks and congrats for your excellent work here. Cheers

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      thanks, started adding it for the new videos

  • @HippiePajon
    @HippiePajon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!! I finally understand this topic

  • @KylanHurt
    @KylanHurt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very high quality video. Thanks you for making!

  • @Molecularjewelry
    @Molecularjewelry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    still the clearest explaination I can find - visuals help thanks

  • @lucsu1428
    @lucsu1428 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, thanks for the explanation and the cool graphic!

  • @GabrielRubens
    @GabrielRubens 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation, this channel is a hidden gem

  • @internationalgolfconstruction
    @internationalgolfconstruction 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best vid on impermanent loss.

  • @CedricAbeck
    @CedricAbeck 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So clear, thank you so much !!!

  • @JohnAlanWoods
    @JohnAlanWoods 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    @TheRollupCo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    @limeroundup 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Incredible. Best explanation ever!

  • @elleobi
    @elleobi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was really helpful. Thank you!

  • @viurnne
    @viurnne 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great lengthy detail explanations

  • @Mike-cr1nc
    @Mike-cr1nc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for this my friend, will recommend you !

  • @blackalert3383
    @blackalert3383 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for another great video. Would love to see another video on impermanent loss when it’s a non-stablecoin so two volatile cryptos. And any tips on managing that

  • @oveyshd
    @oveyshd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great videos, great illustration! Very educative.
    Thank you

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Glad they are helpful :)

  • @stevenxalchemy5906
    @stevenxalchemy5906 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another awesome video. Well explained on impermanent loss. Keep up the fab work!!!!

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Steven! :)

  • @rezaxxx
    @rezaxxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, thank you.

  • @PrisonerZ3RO
    @PrisonerZ3RO 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best explanation EVER !!!!

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    @agentlier6974 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

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  • @bonzo1928
    @bonzo1928 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very clear, thanks!

  • @BIGSUCCC
    @BIGSUCCC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I never knew your liquidity can actually appreciate in value other than fees if both assets rise in price, I always was under the assumption best case scenario you can pull out 100% of what you put into your LP + fees, worst case loosing value if your token pairing decreases in value + fees.

    • @Rompelarueda
      @Rompelarueda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      in non-stablecoin pools, yes, if both assets increase in USD price, you will pull out more USD value than you provided, and depending on the IL (how much their pump differed), come out also with more of eachcoin due to fees.

  • @raoulml1
    @raoulml1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great content.

  • @J_Arthur_
    @J_Arthur_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great video! Would love to see one on Polkaswap And Sora! :)

  • @ic3b3rgi23
    @ic3b3rgi23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video man, like always 💯

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    @omidsarayanibafghi222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

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  • @DG-mo1zf
    @DG-mo1zf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative video, thank you!

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    @GabrielEnema ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info, your explanations are super easy to assimilate☺☺☺

  • @richardscott724
    @richardscott724 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! Awesome explanation….keep up the good work…

  • @themfu
    @themfu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great videos on your channel.

  • @-.TS.-
    @-.TS.- 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely needed this!

  • @gordongekko9742
    @gordongekko9742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great explanation! Thank you very much

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are welcome!

  • @timschierenbeck2758
    @timschierenbeck2758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks so much again! You are like the teacher i wished for in shool :-)

  • @katyaolivan6085
    @katyaolivan6085 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Because of your vids, I understand everything better😃 thanks

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad to hear that! :)

  • @kenmeyer100
    @kenmeyer100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very valuable explanation! I have been wading through tons of materials where the authors themselves did no seem to understand the underlying concepts and just spit out some gibberish

  • @Jesussaft
    @Jesussaft ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! I am currently investing in a token which I expect to blow up soon (x10 and above). I thought I am smart by providing liquidity because I would gain fees on all the buys coming in but now it looks like there will be serious impermanent loss. Time to get out of the liquidity pool :D

  • @martinpepper630
    @martinpepper630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a great channel! - Thanks you

  • @sepman1
    @sepman1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are amazing - 'Nuff said!

  • @hugoamorim5301
    @hugoamorim5301 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes this is bad in current situation that we are huge bull market but in last 3 years was good. Nice video

  • @coreed3323
    @coreed3323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This was extremely well explained. The best presentation I have seen on impermanent loss. It finally makes sense. Thank you. 👍

  • @andina116
    @andina116 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have gained a lot from defi mining, and I like this project.

  • @bespokespace2809
    @bespokespace2809 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    fantastic video, thank you

  • @steveshuffle
    @steveshuffle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    mate this is amazing. All of your content

  • @jochembraad1760
    @jochembraad1760 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well explained

  • @sergei.wallace
    @sergei.wallace 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love these explainers!

  • @otismurrayiii1672
    @otismurrayiii1672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely great video.

  • @Damsy388
    @Damsy388 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great explanation. Subbed!

  • @temitopeagoro4603
    @temitopeagoro4603 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Could you possibly delve into Decentralized autonomous organizations? I love your content and explanations. I am really learning a lot! Thank you!!

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Sure, there is a plan to make a video about DAOs soon! Stay tuned :)

  • @lakemckenzie
    @lakemckenzie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    yeah you just got a sub!

  • @cryptomckey318
    @cryptomckey318 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the calculation the same for non stable coin pools like CAKE-BNB or TWT-BNB or it's a lot more riskier ? Thanks for your efforts. It helps a lot. Kudos!

  • @chr0nos871
    @chr0nos871 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!

  • @zegikniet9999
    @zegikniet9999 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the intro to this video fits me perfectly. I did indeed not do any research before hand, only after hand YOLO

    • @zegikniet9999
      @zegikniet9999 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      btw i nominate these video's to be the most clear explenation i ever got anywhere. very well done

  • @LiteLiger
    @LiteLiger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very solid and analytical video. So in technicalities it would be lot safer to invest in stablecoin pairings right? Due to the nature of prices fluctuating lot less.

  • @thefailedactor
    @thefailedactor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant Video which helped a lot.
    So with Farming, and providing liquidity, volatility results in impermanent loss. De-risking this; stick to pools with single assets although the APY is lower.
    Can you have impairment loss in single pools?
    Or can I continue with lower APY; and if I exit, keep the original investment (Number of Tokens)

  • @arnaud4950
    @arnaud4950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hello Finematic ,
    at 3:57 you write 524.83 ETH/DAI insteed of 524.83 DAI/ETH.
    Really nice video, thanks for all your work.

  • @justdoitFR
    @justdoitFR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you so much for this great content.
    I am still trying to find out what could be risks for providing liquidity for a pair like USDT vs USDC...
    Of course excluding any smart contract bug or any hacks because those risks are just inherent to everything in crypto.

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      The main risk is that one of the stable coins can lose its peg to the US dollar. USDT, for example, is not completely transparent, so we don't exactly know if they have all the assets to cover their outstanding USDT balance.

    • @kenmeyer100
      @kenmeyer100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Finematics yeah, it's like you want to cash out your chips and the casino operator say 'sorry, we have no more dollars for you'

    • @postmanwithsnow
      @postmanwithsnow 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are none. Only risk is a bank run which won't occur until something really bad happens. But then all your other crypto will most likely be worth nothing anymore either 😉

  • @Sonnyrei
    @Sonnyrei 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, thanks! How did you get 19.07 on 3:31 and 0.93 on 3:36?

  • @ericniyongira4467
    @ericniyongira4467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This channel is really awesome. I am new to Yield Farming - Providing Liquidity, and I hope to learn more from you!
    Anyone who can recommend me the best way to start?

  • @Zharadeen
    @Zharadeen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your page so much

  • @nadinounou
    @nadinounou 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beautiful video thank you ♥️
    If i am taking part in a liquidity mining pool with A/B, A and B being highly correlated, the risk is highly minimised right? if asset A grows 1000%, and asset B almost the same, then no impermanent loss if i got it well

  • @alphaguy4877
    @alphaguy4877 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome explanation.

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks!

    • @alphaguy4877
      @alphaguy4877 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Finematics Can you provide links to the mathematical formula that you used to calculate the after arbitrage values at 04:50? Btw, I subbed.

  • @NHill-dg8ch
    @NHill-dg8ch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You just won a new subscriber

  • @garg738
    @garg738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    VERY WELL EXPLIANED

  • @Cheezenuts
    @Cheezenuts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Does the dollar amount you put in the pool (excluding slippage & interest accrued) remain the same regardless of positive or negative volatility of the asset? Or can the dollar amount that you initially pooled increase as long as there’s a 50/50 balance between the two assets?

  • @rsstnnr76
    @rsstnnr76 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video. Unfortunately, I have no idea what's going on.

    • @jonowirion
      @jonowirion 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      haha join the club lol

    • @nazty121
      @nazty121 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha love it I'm the same but slowly learning!

  • @trevorryder9732
    @trevorryder9732 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Could you do a video on non-fungible tokens and their use so far and future use.

  • @free.breaker
    @free.breaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude love the drawing style

  • @danielzirkel9616
    @danielzirkel9616 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Really goog explanation 👍🏻
    Now I have understood the impermanent loss.

    • @Finematics
      @Finematics  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. Glad it helped! :)

  • @davidhefer118
    @davidhefer118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow.. best explanation