WW2 - What if USA joined Axis instead of the Allies
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- What if USA joined the Axis instead of the Allies during the Second World war (All the 3 Episodes). What would have happened if USA had fought with the Germans and the Italians, and the Japanese with the British and the Soviets? What theaters, battles, strategies, weapons?
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*“Canada invades Seattle”*
After 24 hours Canada attempts to give Seattle back to the US. The US refuses and demands Canada take Seattle. Canada rejects the demand and flees. US Forces give chase and demand Canada take Seattle. This would spark the battle known as the No Refunds War.
thanks, Overly Conservative Guy.
Can they exchange it for Detroit, at leeast?
No take back war lool
Seattle is home of Boeing, Amazon, Microsoft, Expedia, Nintendo, tmobile, Starbucks, and lots more. it is home to the Cascade mountain ranges, numerous lakes, the most educated people in the country, seven military bases, one of the nation's top universities in the U.W., one of the west coast's biggest maritime ports and airports and the highest minimum wage in the country -- but yeah, the U.S. can't wait to get rid of it.
@@maybealexa5216 ...what?
Switzerland throughout the war:
- If I don't move, nobody can see me.
Switzerland held everybody's money. So nobody robbed the bank.
Lol
switzerland: Ive mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still, that I've become invisible to the eye.
Thats how I got through 12 years in the Army.
But for real though the Swiss literally did go underground or into the mountains(bunkers) lol
Imagine the US propaganda against Britain.
"We fought them once, we'll fight them again!"
Edit: I get that the US fought Britain multiple times. I'm just too lazy to fix it.
More like
"Our founding fathers fought them for our freedom, now it's our duty to defend our freedom."
British propaganda “let’s burn Washington again”
Instead they were like, your queen is our grandmother we will fight for her
@@timexkills65 the Queen was 16 at that time.
Actually twice
"USA lost thousands of boats to torpedoes"
"The British also loses thousands of boats to torpedoes and dive bombers"
" *Germany loses 2 U-boats* "
germans are smarter
@@zvallidSeems you didn't get the "411" on the actual outcome of Germany's war of aggression
@@zvallidyou wehraboo
@@craigoliver8712 What war of aggression?
@@casual_loser6733bro he was making a joke chill
"The U.S navy's battleships were never tested in war, apart from their diving ability in pearl harbor"- had me do a double take when I first heard that
I know, right? Like wtf did he just say
Lol they were very much tested and found superior to the Japanese ships.
Savage
Battleships were obsolete by WW II.
Once the carrier was fully developed the battleship is proven to be pretty much just an artillery piece.
Lmao Hitler really pulled an UNO reverse card on Stalin. "Here's the suitcase bomb, enjoy."
@OurLordandSaviorSigmar bro that part fr scared me it was so sudden
US: *Nukes two Russian Cities*
Stalin: Ah fuck it. Use the gas!
LMAO
japan should've used the gas too because they nuked them
stalin: "hold my tsar bomba.."
@@robierahg17 *redditor corrects simpleton on soviet history
@@robierahg17 tsar Bomba gas bomb, a 50 Megaton gas bomb instead
Rommel and Patton fighting on the same side? Jesus. That's frightening.
That is why Churchill threw in the towel. He wanted none of that.
Britain had Montgomery and the Soviets had Zhukov, as we all know Rommel's time was cut short
Plus Guderian and Von Runstedt.
@@littlst Guderian is better than Rommel
@@gwclive6530 Sure..
I love that you were able to concoct a reasonable and believable scenario where warplan red is able to be enacted exactly as its designers feared. America attempting to trade with a nation that Britain is at war with and Britain attacking to ensure that their blockade is upheld.
America fuelled Germany even after joining in, and Ford and Chevy powered the war machine... (at least Chevy never sued and won at Nuremberg)
@@rahowherox1177 i mean coke was serving Fanta to SS officers but I’d hardly take that as evidence that america was Germany’s breadbasket
I was honestly disappointed at how quickly they depicted Canada's defeat. And how little of an impact they made.
@@libefiken1863 Canada just doesn't have the numbers to hold a border that size. Plus, it's a very easily traversed terrain.
@@rahowherox1177 literal brainwash
“We fought the right enemy.”
-this video’s George S. Patton
So damn based. If we went with Patton's plan and he wasn't assassinated, communism would have been erased from history. We would have cities on Mars at this point.
Correct,usa hadmore in common with the Nazis, race hatred,segregation,inter racial laws ,Kkk the Bund
My Grandpa fought in WW2 for the USA and our Ancestor’s, ironically we’re from Germany. My Grandpa crossed into the Rhine in 1945
When hearing Patten say "we found the wrong enemy" is when I had to relearn history. It's amazing what they tried to keep from us.
@@AlexanderTheGreat-q8p
propaganda hits different
England sink an american ship: "Sorry, mate, it was an accident."
England sink a second american ship: "Bloody hell, I swear I didn't see it was you." *sips tea*
As an American, who has been in the military I can totally see that happening. Not only that but probably working. lol
Too bad the US was making ships so fast that the Navy probably wouldn't have noticed.
Sounds like a plot in a Tom Clancy book. 🤔
🤣 lmfao
Nowadays it's more like,
US Navy crashes into a supertanker in one of the busiest shipping lanes of the Pacific. Tactical Info Officer: "I thought you were watching the traffic." Officer of the Deck: "I thought *you* were watching it."
USN amphib ship catches fire in drydock. Chief: "Who was standing fire watch?" Sailor: "the shipyard guy said the contractor does their own watch." Contractor: "That's not my job."
I really like how this is a collection of "separate" wars, and where "alliances" are a matter of convenience and pragmatic rather than ideological. It is very messy yet totally realistic :)
Alliances were never ideological in WW2, unless you call a democratic - communist alliance an ideological one, or a fascist - nazi and plain authoritarian alliance an ideological one.
@@elsauce4873 Good point -- the US and UK have absolutely noting in common, and in fact are pretty much ideologically opposites on everything. It is a miracle that their soldiers didn't turn on each other on the field the moment that they had the chance. I guess the only thing that trumped their hatred of each other was their common desire to prevent a German super-state on the continent. lol
@@ravenlord4 I was talking about the Soviet Union, but okay.
@@elsauce4873 No. You said "Alliances were never ideological in WW2". Note the word "never".
@@ravenlord4Throughout WW2 there were no alliances that were formed because of ideological goals or similarities between nations. Alliances, like the axis for example, only existed because nations shared the same enemies.
Fun Fact; In a war, if a country has cracked their enemies' battlenet (i prefer to use this term because it's similar to the codes used in ww2, only more modern and secured) or has a spy in their ranks and uses the intel gained to counter EVERY enemy offense/defense tactics, they'll quickly catch on. Doing that sorta thing is more short term advantage, so being careful to only use the advantages when needed is vital for long term.
Unless the battle net is so ingrained into their tactics that it is hard to replace the battlenet or fix the leak. (ww2 examble being the enigma code being broken)
The Brits knew about the Zimmerman Telegraph months before they released the information and they had all information the Germany sent over to their embassy in the USA.
Ok
The German army backed by the massive manufacturing effort of the USA is frightening...
Yeah, that fact was thrilling.
"Japan is now within range of B-29 bombers" welp that's a wrap
The 29 was a disaster... there are parts of the globe that have multiple wind shifts at increments of altitude and the 29 was reduced to low level fire bombing most of the time because the bombing site was useless at anything but lower altitude... and took a lot of casualties...
@@charlesbukowski9836 "The 29 was a disaster.."
Except it wasn't.
Fire bombing is generally conducted at lower altitude. Fire bombing was used as it created more damage than concussive bombs.
The sites weren't so much "useless" as there was little experience bombing from the jet stream.
300 planes lost compared B17 losses was trivial.
Except if Japan was allied with Great Britain then the Japanese would have had access to their engine technology so the B-29 would have been in for a bit of a hard time. American aircraft carriers with their wooden decks would have still sunk whereas any British ones would had the bombs bouncing off them and stayed floating and fighting as the Japanese found out.
With Japan on the "other" side, Russia wouldn't have kept so many troops in Siberia which could have then been committed to their Western (Germany's Eastern) Front.
I legitimately snorted lmao
@@charlesbukowski9836 High altitude was disaster for sure. The US was unaware that the jet stream even existed. That being said, the low level fire bombing campaign was devastating. In the end it was a massive success. So successful , in fact, there were no targets left to bomb.
Axis: drops two nukes on USSR
Stalin: Anyways,...
*I WANT ALL AVAILABLE COMRADES TO CONTINUE FIGHTING THROUGH THE NUCLEAR FALLOUT!!!*
*NOT ONE STEP BACK, COMRADES!!!*
-Comrade, the americans bombed Leningrad with a new weapon
+ A new weapon? How many?
- Just one explosion. 100.000 people, most of the railway infraestructure, and the icy roads are lost
+ Oh no... anyway _calls Zhukov for the daily report_
@@chrisca
*Zhukov:* Oh hey, Comrade Stalin. I'm betraying you so we can end the war peacefully.
*Stalin:* What?
*Zhukov:* What?
_Suitcase explodes and kills Stalin_
lol A totally Russian reaction. Seriously, gotta admire the Russian resolve.
@@TR33ZY_CRTM "Want a job done? You call the Army"
"WW2 - What is Russia never joined the Axis powers?"
"It is the year 1939, Hitler and Stalin are having a painting competition hosted in Poland..."
Uh, excuse me but "Axis" Power?
@@ST-Nate yes it was called that
@@LouisbertrandIvander-iw9mb I understood now, he mention about a pararrel world not real world where Russian is not formed yet and Soviet where never part of Axis
"The US Navy's battleships were never tested in war, except for their diving ability in Pearl Harbor" this made me laugh too hard xd
In the Philippines they were in action and did quite well
Actually the US Navy battleships in Pearl Harbor were a bunch of obsolete tubs from the WW1 era. Roosevelt had them planted in Pearl Harbor ro provoke Japan.
All the valuable US warships, such as the aircraft carriers, were sent to sea a few days before the attack.
@@whitewolf1298 Japans fault they didn’t attack the other resources stations near Pearl that would have caused the ships at Pearl to take years to be repaired if it was destroyed
@@jayjyuri8796
The question we should be asking is: Why did Japan attack in the first place? There were so many indications the US knew the attack was coming that the strike force should have turned back two days after it sailed. Pearl Harbor was crawling with Japanese spies and minisubs. They knew all the modern US warships had sailed. All that was sitting in the harbor were a bunch of obsolete battleships, a few old destroyers, some oil tankers, some repair ships, and supply craft.
Japan would have been much better of attacking Russia, which in Dec 1941 was reeling from the onslaught of the German army. They could have seized the trans-Siberian railroad, exactly as they had done in 1905, and gotten all the oil they needed from the German-controlled Caucasus region of Russia.
The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, from both a strategic and tactical perspective, was absolutely, galactically stupid.
@@whitewolf1298 the khalkhin gol was a major psycological blow for japan that they didnt think to attack soviet uniom for entire time
the idea of a sherman with a tigers 88mm gun is wicked to me that tank would be a monster
I've doubts about that combination. Not in the possibility but in the video depiction. The Sherman turret as manufactured would have been too small and would require a redesign. As well as would the Sherman's suspension and drive train. Such a vehicle wouldn't have just looked like a Sherman with the larger gun. We're speculating a heavy tank gun into a medium tank turret and chassis. If just throwing that gun into a medium tank and it magically just work had been feasible, the Germans would have loaded it into the panzer four as standard. It would be interesting to see a mock up of the Sherman with the necessary modifications to make it possible to carry and use the 88 tho.
@@knackerEv with Germany famous engineering and USA resources+manufacturing will made war machine that can be mass produced in instant.
or imagine a Tiger II with the 50mm cannon 💪
if we waste all the oil, nobody can wage war against us.
@@knackerEv Yeah. Perhaps a Pershing would be a more fitting tank to give the 88mm, considering they had an 90mm cannon attachee
"Hmmm. Sounds like the war isn't going so well." "For who?" "Everyone..."
America would like to disagree still :D
@@vicemontey4297 what?
@@SteventheOrigin America still won the war and was the deciding factor of it. So yeah America would like to disagree still :D
@@vicemontey4297 who used nucelar weapons to win? Hmmm i do belive that was america cus they couldnt stop japan
@@sandroblechinger4737 What? I am pretty sure everybody agrees that using the nuclear weapons was a bad idea and unnecessary to close out the pacific theater. If anything we should have withheld the nuclear weapon and used it on a different war as to not lose the element of surprise. SO what if it would cost 1 million more American lives we could have unified north and south Korea or forced the USSR and CCP to submit to us later on had we not nuked Japan during WWII. This is stupid to claim that the US was having troubles closing out Japan. It was only a matter of time that Japan would surrender nukes or no.
EDIT: Japan lost all hope when they failed at midway and lost at coral sea. It was over they would only make last stand attempts to the bitter end. Even then Imperial Army and Navy realized it was over. You're telling me Japan was a threat when they couldn't even field a sizable air and naval presence by 1945? You're insane. How do you think Imperial Japan would win against an all in America without a navy or air force?
Japan: "Oh look, why is that Bomber only droping one bomb?"
USA: "Here come's the Sun"
USA: say hello to Amaratsu
Alright, that shot of Tojo's head photoshopped onto FDR's body at the Tehran conference made me laugh.
I liked how this mentioned the atrocities committed and how we never mention the ones commuted by the Soviets, it's a "Wake up to reality" moment.
You maybe not. But it makes sense, since Soviets committed atrocities mainly towards their own people, or on Germans as a revenge for the war. From the West's perspective it doesn't matter.
In Poland we were attacked both by Germany and Soviets, and both committed atrocities on us, yet math shows that Germans killed us 4 to 6 millions just between 1939 and 1945, while soviets only 300-350 thousand from 1939 to 1953. For anyone outside Soviet Union, Soviet Union was effectively a lesser evil.
What do you mean we never mention the atrocities committed by the Soviets? Everyone knows about them. Are you one of the people still being told to worry about a Commie takeover?
@@ostrich67 By everyone you surely mean everyone who knows about the holocaust right? It's not a 1:1 ratio on it, and no I'm not worried, that has nothing to do with what I said
@@dela_v8227 What are you implying then?
@@SparrowNoblePoland have you seen Man in the High Castle(Amazon Prime series)?it's a Japan&Germany win situation, and Germany was teaching students The murder of the natives in the Americas in schools
Eisenhower and Rommel working together?
I AM WEAK
OH YES
YAS
Start Rommel from the Baltic... and Patton from the Aleutians... yell GO! and see how long it takes for them to meet.
Rommel, Eisenhower, and Patton.
@Alenas Kvasninas this was a different time. During ww1 and 2 when Americans entered there had a Vendetta. The only reason we left Vietnam and now the Afghanistan war is because of the leftists and idiotic Viewon the world.
@@tnt_ak8625 No, it’s because staying would have been a costly affair and lead to nothing. In Vietnam we couldn’t push north for fear of Chinese nuclear payback, and in Afghanistan our troops were slowly being picked off. The Taliban is not a conventional military, but an idea, and an idea cannot be stopped no matter how much of any military force you throw at it. Things would have been different if the CIA was involved to assassinate and demoralize key parts of the Taliban, but we’ve stayed there 20 years and only empowered them more and more as time went on. Even Biden leaving idiotic amounts of weaponry behind made little impact compared to the mere US presence in the country.
Stalin suddenly exploding caught me way more off guard than it should of have.
It was a jumpscare lol
GUYS THE KING IS BACK HES BAAAAACK
he been back bucko
This isn't a new video on a new scenario btw. This is just all the videos in the "USA joins Axis" series mashed together into utter epicness.
pog
I wish this history had been ours... yeah this is going to get erased. Still...
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This is the timeline that flashed through George Patton’s head right before the end
The thing I love about this video, is as someone who knows a lot about WW2, I love being able to understand each battle in order, some dates are off, but with a twist of, the sides have changed. And the way you blend the events of fiction and fact, is absolutely amazing.
If you think this is even close to being possible, you clearly know nothing about WW2.
I just put the discrepancies down to the butterfly effect.
disagree...it was pathetic amateur hour
@@Sun-Tzu- I never said anything about being possible, I said I could understand the events in the order they're in, and it was a great mix of fact and fiction.
@@jamesw71 would you like to submit an hour-long rebuttal to this? I would enjoy watching it and giving appropriate feedback
1:25 why do i feel like Germany and The USSR are gonna start a rap battle
😂
Imagine being a Soviet soldier in Leningrad and suddenly the ground rumbles..it isn't a tank assault...it is from above as dozens of B-17s, with massive payloads of bombs compared to German bombers rumbling over the city for the first time. God I cannot imagine how scary a scenario that would be for someone on the ground.
Nazis and Americans best friends
You’d be in Leningrad with all your machines stuck and broken down, sitting with your gun that only had 12 bullets, because the US never got to the point to triple your country’s supply capabilities with their freight cars and trucks.
@Comrade Heavy youtube is having a moment
I did some research of both countries largest bomber planes and their both basically the same b17s span is 104 while Germany heinkel is 103 plus their both 74 and 72 inch by length
🤓*
Some corrections are in order about Canada: if the USA would have joined the Axis, Canada would have severed its bond with the UK and join the USA as many leaders in Canada were in favor of what Germany was doing in Europe and thus would have joined the Axis too. So there would never have been an invasion of Canada as it would have willfully followed their much better neighbors than their "foreign UK masters" who never really cared about Canada and saw them as fodder over anything else.
Yeah that one boggles me the most why on earth Canada would ever want to fight war with its neighbor.
Canada wouldn't stand a chance , so they would definitely be Allied with the U.S
Canada was still a Dominion of the British empire and had been fighting the axis since 1939. They would probably have tried to negotiate into becoming a neutral power with some concessions to the US, but the situation is this video is plausible as well.
And where did you get the idea that Canada was in favour of Germany???
And where did you get the idea that Britain never cared about Canada ?.
"Hey Britian, you know how you invaded us?"
"...yeah?"
"We are going to take a quick swim."
"wait, what?"
This is literally a Hoi4 alternate timeline XD
That is
@@AxeltheKing1000 Nekopara?
"Shortly after Britain declares war on the US, Bernard Montgomery was overheard saying that he fears we have awakened a sleeping giant."
Lol
Yes and Montgomery was a Hero in our timeline definitely interesting he would never have been known as one. No Americans no d-day he would never be known for his victory in Normandy. Therefore he would be just another casualty of war.
@@tommyboy889 Monty made his name in North Africa defeating Rommel's depleted Afrika Korp.
@@adamelam6385 I didn't know that thanks for the info
Or at least we don`t have to worry about friendy fire
I just had to pause this video, very well made BTW to say the idea of Patton working along side with Rommel just makes smile. Two of the greatest tank commanders working together, Oh shit you're screwed.
I would believe Detroit would have been one of the first US cities attacked due to the industrial presence, including auto factories changed over to bomber and tank production. Plus you add in Henry Ford’s alleged sympathy towards Nazi Germany. Conversely, the US would have likely taken Windsor which is separated by Detroit by the mile wide river, and Windsor is the gateway to Toronto, which would also have been pinched by an assault from Buffalo. That would have knocked out a huge portion of Canada’s power production.
You
I drive by the old tank plant everyday on my way to buy drugs
you're black shut up
@@complimentbot7015 your white you belong in the mountains!
@@nicholas.e5158 no I'm not. You're* btw
This is an intriguing scenario, bravo! Its like a HOI4 game taken off the historical setting.
So the first big point of divergence here - Japan declaring war on the axis in 1940, is plausible enough. They were Britain's ally in WW1 after all. Its hard to see exactly what the Japanese would gain here (the Italian concession at Tianjin is hardly a prize). The British might permit them to occupy Vichy French Indochina and guarantee access to the oil supplies in the Dutch East Indies in return for their help against the Axis in the Atlantic and North Africa, though I doubt they'd have been happy about it.
The next part - where the Japanese still carry out Pearl Harbor, is where I feel this scenario runs off the deep end a bit. In reality the British would be horrified by such an act. Faced with a choice between Japan and the USA as an ally, Churchill would never have chosen the former, even at the risk of Britain immediately losing its far east colonies. He would at least have renounce their alliance, quickly order the Japanese fleet and army units to depart, or outright have attacked them to help the USA.
Events might have been a bit more plausible if there was a more gradual escalation to war, or outright American aggression. For instance, maybe Macarthur or some other trigger-happy American commander decides to provoke an incident around the Philippines, 'accidentally' bombing a Japanese ship like the Panay incident of 1937 but in reverse. The Japanese respond by mining Manilla Harbor and things escalate from there.
A war between Britain and America in 1941 still seems very unlikely, but I like how you've explored the idea.
Yeah I agree with@homeworld22. In the video, while both Britain and America were at peace although on opposite sides with Japan, why would the US sink the British Ships? Even if they were carrying supplies for Japanese use. They would have just instructed them to turnaround as the British did to the American convoy near Sweden (in the video). A little bit of a stretch to go from lend-lease (the British were lobbying the Americans very hard to be more involved in both timelines) to War with one another.
Although overall I did enjoy the video and realise you had to come up with something why the Americans would join the Axis side. The likely truth is America would have stayed neutral rather than enter a conflict with Germany against Britain. That in itself may have been enough to alter the outcome of the war.
I agree, but he still did a good scenario on the japanese not only threatening to take all of the colonies but also cripple india and it's surroundings making them lose a lot, not just the small colonies in the far east (edit) and without it's allies, defending Africa would've been a nigh impossible challenge since at that point the USA were neutral and a lot of Americans were actually pro-nazi so it's not super far fetched
I agree. Let's say the Americans would have sunk those ships, it would most likely have been due to misidentification or stray shot, not intentional aggression. Even then, Churchill would not have wanted to declare war on the United States. That sort of move would not only remove any meaningful manufacture of weapons, ammo and equipment, it also would have opened a second front. I'm not sure what a more reasonable explanation would have been for this, but it is interesting to think about.
Also, while the supply of oil from Britain would not have been able to replace the American means, it would have, at least, allowed some time for the Japanese to determine a more reliable source of oil, maybe even attacking the Soviet oil fields Germany had later on in the war. (I am only at 13:00 when writing this comment)
" Japan declaring war on the axis in 1940, is plausible enough. They were Britain's ally in WW1" So was Italy.
@@yisus4681 “A LOT of Americans were pro- Nazi? Where did you get this nonsense? There was a loud group of supporters but not numerically significant
If you think about it. The US probably only had huge losses in the air bombing campaigns in the European theater but a super small amount of losses for the ground forces as America only fought in North Africa with some in Finland maybe Turkey. So in the European theater of WW2 american casualties are even smaller in this timeline. So in this universe history channel & TH-cam documentaries will only have content of the air war, Battle of the Atlantic, North Africa, Finland & Turkey. The amount of ground forces coverage would be like coverage of American ground forces in Europe in WW1. In other words not that much content to cover
Wow, you guys did a heck of a job figuring out this alternate history. You all seemed to have researched a great deal of information and come up with a alternate viable scenario for WWII. Please continue with these alternate histories, these are the best ones I've seen on the TH-cam.
Good story? Yes, absolutely.
Viable? Do me a favour!
@@danieljones9937 If capitalists and communists could work together against the Nazis, so it is not entirely unreasonable to assume that it could've worked the other way, too. Remember that the full extent of Nazi crimes only came to light AFTER the war and were not part of the everyday propaganda.
Of course, 'viable' is a strong word - but I'm fully going for 'plausible'.
@@danieljones9937 If "Hilter" Would have just accept Austria, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia then Continue with the technical improvement and wait for Stalin to attack Poland... Stalin would have been the same common enemy as "Hilter" was in our timeline.
@@DGARedRaven It's true that the general public weren't informed of Nazi atrocities like Auschwitz but the Allied authorities sure as hell were.
I just don't find it plausible that the US would stick with such monsters.
@@Stux6-3 I think Stalin was opportunist rather than flat-out expansionist. I could be wrong there though.
I know Hitler /was/ expansionist, though. He rebuilt the German economy through transforming it into a war machine. Again, it's pretty implausible that he'd just stop, particularly with his attitude towards Poles.
In this timeline I could see British Parliament telling Churchill “are you more drunk than usual!!! Why the hell did you declare war on the USA?!!!” Churchill: My strategy is to wait for America to get tired of the conflict
British high command: that’s it? So how are we going to land on Europe?
Churchill: something good will happen.
“How do you make the Axies sound good?”
Zvallid “America”
"...and now they don't want nothing to do with them." the broken English in this video makes me applaud the voice actors who read them faithfully regardless. good what-if even if mostly speculation, and certainly believable
It hurt my brain so much because most of them sound like native English speakers!
@@sorrestsummer Too bad some native English WRITERS weren't hired!
Snowflakes
@@davidwahrheit6143 hey the creator isnt really from uk or usa he lives in like italy or eastern europe
I like your story, although some bits are a bit of a stretch, such as America going to war with Britain, but is not really that big of a deal. However the one big problem I have with it is the end result. Despite essentially being the masters of the world, alongside the United States, Italy and Germany take relatively little in the way of territory. It makes sense in our timeline, with the democratic countries condemning war for conquest in Europe, but for fascist Italy and Germany that would be no problem, Mussolini even proclaimed that he wanted to reestablish the Roman empire. Additionally Hitler despised the Soviets, yet in this he basically ends war with them with only relatively minor concessions.
Adolf would have taken ALL of European Russia right up to the Urals, and probably demanded Iran and Saudi Arabia. He would have been swimming in oil.
I think Germans would take atleast all the land on the west side of Urals
And Italians would take all of north african colonies
Well, in both timelines, the Soviets were pushing the Germans back slowly but surely. Plus, the only reason the USA joined the Axis in this video was bascause of Japan's alliance with Britain and the Soviets. Japan and America were going to war with each other anyway, and that would have inevitably led to war with Japan's allies, whether it be Germany/Italy or Britain/USSR
I think you greatly underestimate the factor of continental hegemony. It'd be a totally new dimension.
@@anglozoomer there was that treaty with Poland that lead to war too.
The thing is, the origins of "War Plan Orange" was part of a larger plan known as "Red-Orange", which was the US against a UK-Japan alliance in the Pacific. The two nations were closely allied, until the 1920s when Japanese expansion and tensions with the US caused the UK to pull out.
Japan is a living BRUH moment in this timeline
that flag
#AVEBELKA
#BURN_OSEA_TO_THE_GROUND
Good god are the Twitters here’s
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@@APersonOnTH-camX Well don't know abt twitter but Belkans are here for sure.
53:00 I almost got an heart attack from that cut-
The battle of bermuda was such a thrill, even tought that is a report, is like watching a roulette, hoping for the best.
Alternare Universe be like:
What if USA joined the allies instead of Axis
The title would most likely be:
Was wäre, wenn die Amerikaner während des Zweiten Weltkriegs den Alliierten anstelle von uns halfen?
@@BigMelvinHarrisSmoke I don't think that video would be even allowed to be uploaded because it would show the weakness of the Nazi Germany.
@@schwerenevonyildi1315 I dont think so. The German propaganda was very proud of every country fighting along with the Wehrmacht. It was like "look, we are not alone with our idea, watch all the nations joining us, nothing bad can happen, in the end we will win".
In nearly every Wochenschau (news reel) you can find reports about Hungarian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Italian, Japanese, Croatian, Finish etc. forces fighting togehter with german soldiers against the common enemies.
So I think they would have also honoured the US and used them as propaganda material for showing them their own society in total war.
@@Feroce yes... there is a case why it's called Lebensraum im Osten (living space in the east).
There will be Hitler Rants parodies instead of Stalin Rants.
Ironically, given how fluent alliances were at the time it could have happened. Japan on the allied side and the U.S. in the Axis side really could have changed the whole setting for the war.
They could have even accidentally ended up all allying on the same side and had to stop fighting.
@@src6339 YOUR ALLY? OUR ALLY.
Wouldn’t have been able to happen unless there was a different President and a civilian uprising against communism
@@beechcraftkingair3799 how would there be an uprising in the US against communism in the USSR
D. Esisenhower and Rommel on the same side would go crazy
I believe, if everything leading up to pearl harbor in this scenario had happened, it would have resulted in a Neutral America - not an Axis America. The British would probably immediately abandon their alliance with the Japanese (or even outright declare war on them too) - but the Axis would have made more of an effort to placate the US (restricted submarine warfare) considering ‘the enemy of my enemy’ logic.
Best case scenario is that the US is horrified that Britain didn’t do anything to restrain their Pacific ally and as such view their war in Europe as one Britain should fight alone.
i was thinking something like this myself i imagine the soviets would eventually beat the germans leeding to a radicly different cold war if that even happens with the usa not being involved in europe
@@aarondavis8865 may have led to a radically different Europe and Asia too. Possibly the US would have less control over the world.
@@thedogeyoreo5708 i dont think they would allow Europe to fall into Comunism, ANY outcome but that would be ok for them if you ask memy vote is on them feeding suplies to the axis until they kill eachother with the USSR, bailing france out of the occupation if they can (because they need someone they can trust over there)
Not really when u concider what happen after pearl, the Japanese receiving supplies from the British and the sinking of a British merchant ship. The US would have no issue joining the Axis
Do you mean neutral as in the U.S just doesnt go to war at all? Cuz that is way more far fetched than the U.S joining the Axis. Or do you mean neutral as in they declare war on Japan but don`t declare war/join the Allies or the Axis? Cuz in that case, Japan would be 1000x more fucked than our timeline Japan was. Only reason Japan lasted so long was because the U.S adopted a Europe first policy, sending about 80%(?) of their forces to Europe, with Japan being a secondary priority.
When you missclick and join axis instead of allies belike:
"Nah shit, now i just created a real mess, my gawd... Okay, how can i undo this? What, you can't undo this?! F*ck... Whatever, it's fine then we go to war on Axis side, still wished to have the brits as allies, but you can't have everything and war never changes, so might as well make the best out of it."
US: *Watching the germans use their first V2 rockets*
US: "Hoho, now THIS looks interesting! Maybe this isn't so bad after all."
Every and all moral standards are thrown out the window after that and everything goes completely south...
The graphic of the eagle and the dragon facing off over a flaming pacific at min 10:00 was all I needed
Jumbo: Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a Tiger
Tiger: What about side by side with a friend
Jumbo: Aye I could do that
🙂👍
Lmao American wehraboos be like
war thunder, fight with as jumbo with tigers
@@Shvetsario Found the Wehraboo
I'm crying rn
Incredibly underestimated alternative historian, this man has made several high quality scenarios but has been obscure. Always appreciate his videos.
"lend lease was not vital for the soviets" that's where you're wrong. Their entire logistical backbone ran on US Trucks and US trains. Even if they made their own guns and tanks, their food, water, bullets, and men only made it to the front line so reliably thanks to those 300,000 trucks.
Bullshit that's the only reason why Brits and Soviets lasted even Stalin said behind closed doors said if it wasn't for Lend Lease act we wouldn't have one. Go on Wikipedia look up lend Lease act and look at the Huge Lists what Russia Got from USA. in Fact 51 percent of the things made in USA was Given to Russia under that Act
@Alenas Kvasninas Omaha Beach begs to differ. We don't run when casualties start mounting on Strategic objectives - we retreat/regroup when casualties mount under circumstances in which loosing the battle is a viable option, which for the US was probably most cases where we were faced with such disparate numbers. America was pretty good at allocating enough resources to protect critical objectives and strategic operations, especially in how we used our intel on enemy forces - however Americans will fight hard when the mission calls for it, regardless of casualties.
Man I really wish there was a strategy game during ww2 where we could explore timelines like this.
Hoi4 is a good game for that
There are some like hearts of iron, you can deviate from history and fight it your way
Hearts of Iron IV
Hearts of iron
Thanks!! Installing as we speak! Lol
Craziest thing is even as a Veteran and a nutcase when it comes to WW2 I had never thought what if.And its crazy how easy things could have been!
Very interesting video! I think my only question/disagreement would be if Germany could ever accept anything less than the full destruction of the Soviet Union, at least while Hitler was alive. I don't think he'd sleep at night knowing that the Soviet Union still existed in some shape or form; unless the US had that level of diplomatic pull in this universe, which is possible.
I mean, it's WWII U.S, there was [maybe] two other countries who could have matched that production level, and one of those exhausted themselves fighting half the world (Germany) and the other was busy having their home leveled by the former (UK).
So at the end of it all the options are: A: Take the deal, B: Try, and likely fail at negotiating a better deal, or C: Get run over by a thousand Shermans per your one Panther. So I would say the U.S has plenty of weight to throw around in the aftermath peace deals.
I don't know how many people are aware, but the US and Britain were much closer to joining Germany than people think.
Winston Churchill would never had done it. Chamberlain wanted to strike up a deal with adolf Hitler and Winston was one of the few people in power who opposed it. You can’t strike deals with crazy people.
Britan ? hell no, look at churchill and his ideas
UK under Churchill..no. Maybe if the fascists had achieved power but they were a joke whether or not some members of the Royal Family were sympathetic. UK has also alway had a pretty good tradition of British Jewish people in parliament etc
@@REALMWS Bold of you to think Churchill wasn't crazy himself.
@Simon Slayton US nearly adopted German as their language at one point
America: Hey, let me borrow Halifax and Vancouver
Canada: I don't think so
America: "February 27, 1942 troops invade Canada" 😂😂
Had they not joined the allies, most American tech wouldn't have been able to have been acquired from Brittain. It wouldn't have been as much of a factor
You documentate this thought up history timeline like it happened for real, it sounded so believavle and real
I liked this video a lot: high production quality and I can only imagine the hours, nay, days, of editing this took and how long it took to find the archival footage. Major hats off. If I could give one two areas of constructive criticism, I'd say that getting a better microphone for some of your speakers should be a top priority. The gentleman speaking towards the end has a pretty good microphone which makes the gap in audio quality very apparent when cutting to someone else. Also, a greater variety of background music would be appreciated. Other than that though, marvelous. As for my prediction after a victory? I'd say that the German government would collapse faster than the Soviet Union did in our timeline. Without war and with that many casualties along with similar purges over time, compared to the Americans more "live and let live" policy to the Japanese and British in addition to the Marshal Plan would probably put the U.S. in the lead for several decades, strengthening it's allies, while the Germans would be distrustful of their Eastern Allies, wanting to see them colonized by German folk and actively purging the slavs.
"The US battleships were never tested in a war, except for their diving abilities in Pearl Harbor"
Probably the best joke I have heard XD
Too soon?
“Japan are allies”
Took me a while to realize nearly everything said in this video after the intro is made up
Me too, at the beginning I was thinking when did the UK declare war on the US. Quickly realized it was alternate history but did take a minute
Well they were allies in the first world war and in the cold war, just not in the second. 🤣
@@skepticalmagos_101 I’ll never consider them allies. They need to be punished for what they did.
same. so well written that i thought this happened. Told several people and they looked at me as though I shit my pant or something.
@@FlorenceSlugcat You still don't like the Japanese? It's been 81 years ffs 😆
I do enjoy alternate history stories. Here's another idea: before venturing over to Europe FDR orders the retirement of almost the entire Army General Staff to replace them with younger hotshot officers. Like Bradley, MacArthur, Patton (not so much young but highly experienced) and importantly Dwight Eisenhower. What if the old guard never retired? How who would command and what tactics would be used? How would this effect the overall war?
*affect ❤
@@stephenwilkinson1254 bro
The way he devised the war starting makes it plausible though.
@@stephenwilkinson1254 Oops, you're right. I stand corrected.
@Normie That's because of political decisions not military ones. We won almost every engagement in Afghanistan and Iraq, it was the politicians who hampered the Army with their "hearts and minds" sjw bullshit.
By the time Trump was in office it was already too late to do anything else.
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this. Was very well done and thought provoking
27:06 the moment he said “a easier way to hit London” my mind screamed Wunderwaffe.
Basic answer: The US, instead of supplying the British and Soviets, would than cause the Soviets to starve, have far less vehicles, and make the british spend many years recouping their airforce that got obliterated during the battle of france
To be honest i think it would be more accurate if it was a triple side conflict, the allies with the UK, Australia, New zealand and the soviets, the axis with Germany, Italy, the US, China and Vichy France and the japanese forces with the japanese empire, manchukuo and mengijang, japan would not stop conquering and the allies would not allow that.
@42:33 timestamp-- 'The British, distrusting its Japanese ally fails to share its expertise in Radar technology."
Here is one crucial point to show the domino effect of bad alliances. If the U.S. had joined the Axis, neither England nor the U.S. would have had RADAR as we know it. The Brits invented the magnetron, the heart of RADAR as we know it. But it kept cooking itself, thermal runaway. One of the first things England did was bring magnetrons to the U.S. and ask for suggestions. It turned out that it was as simple as changing the resonant cavities from 6 to 7. This prevented the generated microwaves from reinforcing themselves and feeding back into the magnetron, melting it down. It was a variation of SWR, standing wave ratio.
Without England and the U.S. doing a joint effort the English RADAR would still be huge antennas (very similar to the antennas scattered across the world to listen to space) and not small enough to put on aircraft or ships.
When the Germans shot down American aircraft equipped with RADAR capabilities they thought the units were hoaxes because the frequencies required for the size of the waveguide were impossible to achieve.
Why do you keep saying England when even the quote you are using states that we are not all English, we are British. I really hate it when you Californians call us English.
@@krashd I cannot see how I offended you. I cannot find anywhere in my post where I said English. I did use England in referring to your home country. Did you notice I said the Brits invented the magnetron?
If England is not an acceptable name for your country I would suggest you have changed on the map. That is above my pay grade.
I also request you do not refer to me as a Californian. My only time spent in California was when sentenced there by military assignment. Thank God I got an assignment to the Philippines that got me out of there.
To be fair, it's not unfeasible that the British would have figured it out on their own given some tinkering. Odds do allow that they figure it out, perhaps with a few months delay.
@@hightechredneck3362 "If England is not an acceptable name for your country I would suggest you have changed on the map."
There are no maps with "England" on them, except maps of the UK itself. Every world map will show it as The UK, Great Britain, or something similar.
@@aaaabbbbbcccccc Point taken. My apologies.
the fact switzerland was just chilling, they were not invaded and just chilled in the middle of gereman territory
switzerland always finds a way to be netural
I applaud your effort and the video you put together. Very entertaining for a history nerd. But Churchill regardless of what Japan could have offered them would never have risked pissing off the Americans. He would have denounced the Japanese attack on pearl harbor and ended whatever alliance they may or may not have had. American assistance was Churchill's biggest goal.
Would had love to see a concept of a German-like P51, as the planes were inspired and made from feedback from the British, same with some Sherman variants
Something similar to a P51D with a DB603 running on that American race gas and actually useful cannons, basically. The Germans had the canopy to make the look happen so there isn't much else to change besides giving it kraut magic methanol to really touch that airframe redline. tl:dr I go fast, Merlin big slow. So basically you're going all 505mph.
Just thinking about Ju288's with corncob engines is war thunder player nightmare fuel.
Ironically Britain would come off better in this timeline than it did in ours.
Lmao
Man... can't imagine how Britain could've handled the sub war in the Atlantic without allies on both sides of the Atlantic.
Especially with its failed attempt of a submarine the SS Titanic. Forgetting to close the hatches matters.
they dont need the sub wars lol germany with the help of the US means they were given a helping hand on plan Z, and given that amount of capital ships built by Germany + the entirety of US navy even the royal navy will crumble
how could the usa without allies.....
@@1963Austria During WW2 the USA never needed "allies". The USA won the Pacific war vs Japan by itself, with no help, the USA helped Great Britain win it's war vs the Axis, and USSR won it's war vs the Axis as well. The USA helped supply food and materials to both Great Britain and USSR as well. So, the scenario shifts here, and the USA simply is helping the Axis the way it helped Great Britain and USSR in reality. Which is a huge problem for Great Britain, and a moderate problem for the USSR. The main problem is the USA's capability to manufacture a vast amount of material, and enough manpower to create a very large military. Enough that combined with the Germans on the Western Front, would absolutely overpower Great Britain, who would have to surrender or be utterly destroyed. Once they were gone, USSR's position goes from problematic to disastrous, as the one state capable of surpassing it's manufacturing capacity is now directly against them. Again, mass produced ME 262's is a terrible thing to fight in 1945. Or The same Jet engines on the B29 Bomber? So it can fly at 500mph instead of 350mph! There's nothing on the USSR's side in 1945 that can consistently shoot down such aircraft. Plus, the American engineers would be able to fix the engine problems the Panther and Tiger 2 Tanks were having, and the Sherman would have been a perfect compliment for them. The Sherman's used as they were designed, to be a flanking headache for enemy divisions, meanwhile, the Panthers and Tiger 2's meet the enemy head on. The Shermans taking out anti Tank weaponry, and trapping the enemy formations, and the Heavy Tanks just pulverizing the enemy forces.
@@jonathancummings6400 *cough* China *cough*
this man gave us 1hr video
this is what i mean when i said he is the best
I could imagine US soldiers joking with the Germans saying heil Hitler with their hands up💀
Yesss thank you Zvallid
Sorry but I think i might have seen that profile picture from a game... Like I think it was about zombie attack and your mission is to eradicate them? is that right?
@@bruhmomento9032 Nah it’s from an anime called Jin Roh wolf brigade
@@yonek1316 oh... Well I must have remembered it wrong then lol sorry for interrupting
@@bruhmomento9032 nah its fine your good man.
This was a very interesting take on what it would have been like if the US was an Axis power. Nice job.
Very interesting point of view.
More factors could need considering though as FDR has a almost man crush on Stalin and even met many times without British being aware. I find it almost a reach to think FDR would do anything against Stalin for any reason. That's a major player as to why Stalin's atrocities were for the most part swept under the rug but who am I too say how things would have gone.
I really see your version has a ton of sound reasoning.
I concur. FDR would pretty much have had to die 4-5 years earlier for this to be even thinkable.
The relationship between the (real) Allied leaders was no accident, it was based on needs. Stalin meeting Churchill was nearly a disaster; they fought at first but made up because they had to; but neither of them directly offered much to the other. But Stalin knew straight up that he HAD to like FDR to get American aid, so he used his 'good guy' persona to impress, and it worked. Some say the USSR was ramping up war industry anyway, and that is true... but the US provided more than weapons... they sent trucks and trains and food by the boatload, and that made a huge difference in Soviet survival and infrastructure.
@Robert Wilkins You may be right, but I hope not. A right-wing US would be horrible for the world... that would've made us bad guys instead of the world's defender of liberty... that we have been in reality. We're leaning more to the right these days, leaving no big power to push justice and liberty. Just look at the tactics/goals of the Capitol riot thugs trying to overturn our election. That was straight out of Nazi Germany's playbook.
@@thedriszen8350 troll harder rabbi
@@thedriszen8350 you gotta be trolling the nazi world have rush the capital and fought to the death not wave flags unarmed lol
USA: whoops misclicked
Axis Powers: We ‘bouta win the war at this point!
*What if the SOVIETS joined the Axis? And Molotov-Ribbentrop stayed intact?* I would love to see you do that one 👍🏾
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He did it
I wonder how this would affect the US comics during WWII. You no longer have Captain America, Human Torch, etc fighting Nazis, you have America preventing an attempt on Hitler's life and other incidents
Capitan Naziman
Yeah i imagined that too lol seems shit post for me
They probably would have Captain America fighting communists or something like that
@@yousef501st6 so it changed to the Commie Smasher comics?
@@superplushtiman7ti075 most likely
Interesting analysis. Based purely on industrial capacity, I can't imagine the side fighting the US winning without the US facing a crisis at home.
I noticed that you forgot to mention that the Soviets invade Poland from the East when Germany did from the West and they split the country in half which was predetermined by the 2 countries
I picture myself throughout the Unholy Alliance’s Cold War and feel different than the actual Cold War
NATO vs Axis Powers vs Communists is gonna be interesting to me
Communism won’t be a big threat as it was in our timeline imo
@@SportDawgs right
That’s gonna be Axis Powers vs US and it’s remaining nato countries
@@Deathzpark I think the us might team up w the ussr to take down Nazi Germany
@@SportDawgs depends on the US
@@SportDawgs Great idea, let's become allies with a completely crippled country that lost almost all of it's resources and combat ready men to take down a giant empire that literally uses the exact same technology as we do. There would be no such thing. It would be a complete stalemate until one of the two forces collapses.
If Britain somehow won this I can imagine it being on a no mercy style peace treaty with all of the axis
Ummm lolol thats gonna be a BIG IFF……… lolol😂😂😂
@@tablestirne9879 lmfao yeah it's GONNA be 😂😂😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣
Usa would be British again lol
another hour log video to sink my time into thank you for making such fantastic content zvallid!
The USA joining Germany would have made for a better world. Everyone would know what gender they are, American media wouldn't have been infiltrated by communists, diversity in white nations would be nonexistent, mass shootings would be nonexistent, no one would be protesting into oncoming traffic on highways, no one would be storming police stations, the Cold War never would have happened, the Korean War never would have happened, the Cuban Missile Crisis never would have happened, the Vietnam War never would have happened, etc. Communism wouldn't exist anywhere on the planet.
Based
And you would not shit yourself in the comments
Agree! I like the way you think. I made a simulation in my mind of this kind of course without the Holocaust; in my simulation the jew population would be as any german of the Reich, because from the jews were heroes in the Primero Guerra Mondial for the Reich. So, without any discrimination or rasial politics, just the battle against communism and its home-Ussr. On the Axis side being the Reich with US and Japan, destroying together the bolshevism. Also the femminist agressive wave from today society wouldn*t exist. Of course, the women would have essential rights, but not all they claim and have today is good for a healthy society, a non decadent one. I must say i*m european, not german, but I love the idea of an ideal society.🖤🤍❤🤚
So Churchill's strategy of declaring war on the US in this alternate history mirrors that of Imperial Japan in actual history. Fighting earlier... gaining concessions, and then suing for peace before the US could properly mobilize and industrialize for war the same way she did in actual history. I must admit this lends plausibility to this alternate history scenario...
This was interesting, but you hugely underestimate the effect of lend-lease. Soviet would have fallen much sooner and no communist China. An armistice would never have allowed the communists to stay in power in the USSR for that matter.
just realized this is too long to watch when you have an exam the next day, I'll come back later...
So i don't tell you how the video finish
Me too I have exam tomorrow but I just fast-forward
USA: “aye Canada can we borrow your ports?”
Canada: “please don’t I’d rather not”
USA: *straight up invasion*
"Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to Democracy!" "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy."
A new Zvallid video is an event. A rare treat. Thank you for another excellent alt-history documentary, and I appreciate your dedication to political balance, which is so rare these days. By the way, I would be happy to do voice part(s) in your future videos if you need another narrator.
yes I need voices, please send me an email at zvallid@gmail.com. thank you!
Argentina in this timeline: quickly take the Falklands now that there is no one watching
Also I think Stalingrad would be captured by the Germans and it would cut off the Soviet armies in the caucuses leading to the caucuses falling to Germany and Germany could try and push the red army back to Moscow but the Russians would hold the line but with very heavy losses maybe more losses than there were at Stalingrad
Stalingrad wasn't actually the final objective and in fact, during the german planning they saw it as a minor halfway point to the real final destination: Astrakhan. Stralingrad isn't the cutoff point of the caucasses region (that would be Astrakhan) and they didn't expect the soviets to defend it so hard.
God, give me more. The only alternative history I watched from start to finish.
52:57 i love how stalin just blew up
damnnn Rommel and Eisenhower working together now that's powerful