Is This Cheap Chinese Watch Worth It?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- The last thing you’d think of when it comes to Chinese watches is quality. At least, not high quality. We’ve become used to China shipping cheap, reasonably reliable product for some time now, and we’ve even seen some basic attempts at novel complications like the tourbillon and perpetual calendar-but none executed with any real degree of quality. Atelier Wen wants to change all that.
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I want the Blancpain I bought from you before you told me to pay £1000 more for another different one. I will never buy from you.
When I first saw the dial the first thing that went through my head was "The Chinese are using a Rose Machine?" and sure enough, that's exactly what they're doing. This is just amazing!
Characterful case, beautiful dial structure. Like it a lot. But is it me, or is the dial finish around the indices a bit shabby?
No, not just you! 😁There's a lot of defects on that dial, but the same can't be said of other pictures of it on various sites on Google. I think it must be a pre production model.
You are correct, it's a prototype. They've acknowledged the issue and will hopefully have it addressed in the final product.
It's rough.
The plan chamfer the part of the dial around the indices... Son it will be much cleaner
Not its not you, it looks rubbish!
It's also pressed from the one die, not how the info is presented in this video, as if each one is hand made lol it's Chinese production!
Looking at this. I see shades of 1980s Pobedas and ZiMs from the USSR. Case shape, dial texturing, handset, everything. Not that that's a bad thing, as anyone who has owned a Pobeda/ZiM can attest. I'm excited to see where this company goes. Great look as always, Watchfinder!
I thought the same thing, very similar case design to my Pobeda
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Crazy this used to be ~$1800 USD. Now priced at $3k USD. The fact you can get a guilloche dial for this pricepoint tho is still insane. Fortunately was able to get a reservation for the next batch, can't wait to get the salmon dial version!
th-cam.com/video/fMAdR2CjTBA/w-d-xo.html thank me later ;)
It was ok before, not now anymore...at that new price, no thanks
@@fastdays_1agreed, the new price makes it a no.
Price point is insane. Dial looks rough and poorly finished.
The dial is horrendous around the branding tho. A guilloché is great but a good one is better
Not a fan of the salmon/pink dial but the blue and gray actually look really nice. Quite surprising. They would definitely be a conversation piece to someone into watches. The watchfinder presentation is absolutely outstanding as always too!
My wife would choose the pink one - LOL
Fantastic video (as is mostly the case).
This is the first time outside of Grand Seiko and A Lange & Sohne that I've immediately wanted to buy a watch without even looking at it in real life - difference is, I can actually hope to afford/fiscally justify this in the medium term 😅
Is it just me, or is there a hair inside the watch in the macro shots at 3:26 ?
I see it!
Seems to be on the glass
This salmon Perception is beautiful! The dial, caseback, and case is gorgeous.
It really is... Why do he have to be poor hahaha!
@@johanvandersandt8904 🤣🤣🤣
Wouldnt take a Chinese watch if it was for free.
That's your problem then.
Yup, garbage
Incel snob
I really hope they have better QC on a the final models because there are way to much details that are imperfect on this one. There is also clearly a hair on the dial wich can bee seen at 3:25 & 4:30. We are talking about a 2.6k watch that should not happen.
I wrote about that too
Great video and content. Appreciate the diversity of watch representation. Too bad they are sold out and I has missed out on their past porcelain dial too
The dial is a messy disaster where it meets the text and hour markers.
The grey dial looks fantastic!
The roughest guilloche dial I've ever seen. No thanks.
All photos of this watch on various watch sites do not have the defects found in this vlog. I think this is a preproduction model purely for reviewing. They should not have released this watch for review as many are catching the aberrations, and assuming they are all going to be finished like this, which I doubt is the case.
@@TOM-C. seems stupid to send out a trashed pre-production sample to watch reviewers, with hundreds of thousands of viewers, that use macro lenses that will magnify any flaws. They should have sent one in par with final production quality.
@@BabyJesus66 Totally agree, big mistake as most aren't going to look elsewhere to see if the production watches look better, and they do, no flaws I could see compared to this example. Not a great decision, but on the other hand they are sold out, so???🤷♂
Would have liked it a lot more if the dial just read "Wen". The atelier part just makes it sound a bit try hard.
It's because the company founders are french but live in china, atelier = Workshop in french, Wen = culture in Chinese
My first proper watch was a Phoibos Wavemaster, and for the price, neither Japan, nor Switzerland, could touch it. I’ll happily buy a proudly Chinese watch as much as a proudly British, proudly Australian, or proudly Singaporean watch, so long as it’s the right watch, at the right price.
Frankly, it looks dog rough under the unrelenting gaze of a macro lens. It’s no great shakes from a design standpoint either. I just can’t see many people parting with £1500 for one of these.
@@sdaafasfad Please point me to a £1500 Rado or used Omega that is an under 10mm thick automatic and has a hand turned guilloché dial.
@Shaver Ray, That roughness is really only visible under the highest magnification shown in the video. The guilloché dial would looks perfectly fine to the human eye. It's kind of unreasonable to expect the same quality of hand turned guilloché that you get on a £10,000 watch on this £1500 watch. They're all sold out so many people are willing to part with £1500 for one of these (no speculation needed).
it's already sold out
@@trilobiteterror8015 Thank you for the points you’ve made. My opinion of the watch and its design remain unchanged. But if they’ve sold out (whether or not that’s a particularly notable number of pieces) then that just goes to show that people buy whatever they like, which is generally a good thing to do.
Seeing the dial under these macro shots killed this watch for me.
But it's only 1500 pounds. I wouldn't expect the best, but this is still amazing.
Keep in mind that this is also a prototype. The finished watch should have better macro performance.
@@isukhelppls9434 Fair, and I'm impressed by what they can deliver at that price point, but they are explicitly saying they are trying to step outside of the perception of "this is a surprisingly good cheap Chinese watch." I want them to succeed. As a happy owner of both a Ming and a Kurono, I'd love to see this brand deliver something that really rivals the quality of top tier European brands, even if they have to raise these prices considerably to do it. I really like where they are starting. This is a good looking watch, from a distance.
Me too. If you want to compete the Swiss at a price point of Longines and Oris, you execution has to be in that league and putting ‘artisan’ in front of something doesn’t cut it in this day and age….regardless of price.
And this isn’t cheap.
@@isukhelppls9434 That only sounds good until you see what the Chinese are capable of delivering for £500 in the form of fakes. For £1500 from an unknown Chinese brand I would need better execution and details. No bubbles in the dial finish and less hair on the dial is a must for success.
While I wouldn't personally want one (I'm not a fan of the case, although the bracelet - with that Vacheron 222-esque look - is attractive), I honestly don't understand why China hasn't succeeded breaking into the luxury market earlier. There are plenty of wealthy Chinese who love luxury brands, especially watches, and China has the resources to get the materials it needs (gold, platinum, quality steel and titanium), as well as the ability to produce the machinery needed and get experts in from around the globe to train its workforce (hell, Grand Seiko travelled to Switzerland to learn from Phillipe Dufour, so why not pay someone like recently retired Christian Klings a small fortune to travel to China and impart his knowledge?). Switzerland got its start in the watchmaking industry by undercutting the prices of British and French watchmakers, so I wouldn't bet against China doing the same in the future.
I agree Neil, but for me the key phrase from you is "in the future "... They have a long way to go.
Chinese have to get rid of closed mindset that stops them from delivering acceptable quality and communication
A big problem with that idea, is pointed out in the name of this watch... perception. Even if they do make a quality watch, the words, "Made In China", are instantly perceived in a negative light. So they spend all that time and money setting up a quality watchmaker and then can't sell $5,000-20,000 watches because nobody wants to wear a Made in China watch and spend that kind of money.
@@BabyJesus66 I agree, it's about perception. But once upon a time, the words "made in Japan" were seen as a byword for cheap goods, but now it's seen as a mark of quality. With effort and with visionaries like Ciga, it's possible that Chinese watchmaking could eventually overcome the negative connotations associated with the words "made in China".
@@akeyasa2228 most likely because over the past 40 or so years, many Western countries have outsourced their manufacturing to China and the goods they produce have become synonymous with cheap items designed to a budget, and to be easily replaced rather than repaired - pretty much the exact opposite of haute horology. To get past that is going to be the hard part for Chinese companies seeking to take on the Swiss, but Japan managed it and if they put their minds to it, maybe the Chinese can too.
A bit unfair to Chinese watch companies as a whole ... there have been a number of Chinese companies upping the products out of China. Finishing on San Martin and Cronos as well as Lobinni and Seagull, Zelos, Helm, Phoibos etc. are very nice quality ... maybe not up at Grand Seiko or Rolex, A. Lange & Sohn, Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin but definitely as good as some other Swiss brands or regular Seiko and brands such as Citizen, Hamilton, Tissot, Longines, Christopher Ward etc. Still nice nonetheless. Many now also now offer Swiss movements. Dare I say brands such as Seagull now also produce movements. Yes copies (often modified) of Swiss movements but how many Swiss companies use the same Swiss movements - ETA & Sellita or offer a modified version of them ... then calling them 'in house movements'.
Where they still fail, for now, is in original designs.
Where they unfairly get hate is offering similar products for much less at lower price points sometimes with better specs than brands like Seiko (and let's be fair the Chinese aren't the only ones doing this). Epitomy of 'if it isn't expensive it isn't good' snobbery in my opinion.
Could these be the first steps of Chinese brands that will become the next Timex, Seiko, Casio, Citizen, Hamilton dare I say the next Rolex and Omega? Perhaps perhaps not, however, we have to remember where many of these desirable Swiss luxury brands started.
Seagulls been making movements for ages
Finally a watch that I can afford! Better buy one before these cost thousands too... Thankfully they didn't spoil this watch with a date complication.
They almost did (the first drawing of the watch had a date windows at t7 o'clock ;)
@@TheDoberman972 , 7 o'clock... classy! :D
@@mrgadget1485 I was a bold and weird one, they couldn't make it work and align it properly, and I'm glad
Do you know what other country was known for making cheap knock-offs of designs from abroad? Switzerland.
I'm so pleased to see you reviewing the Perception and showing some macro vision. I, like many others, was hovering over the keyboard as the time approached for these to go on sale, and was fortunate to get an order in within a couple of minutes of being available. Looking forward to receiving mine, in blue, towards the end of the year. 👍
Shipping soon!
Thanks for sharing the work of Atelier Wen! Very impressive for the money. Looking forward to seeing where this brand will go!
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Interesante combinacion de diseno europeo y chino. Ultradelgado, guilloche a mano, acero 904L. Habria que verlo en vivo pero luce bien en la camara.
It's sold out. You can preorder now. Estimated delivery oct 2022... price £1638,-
as long as they stay crap - everything is fine…😏
Why do you want Chinese watchmaking to be bad? What end goal could there possibly be, beyond jingoism and/or racism?
@@jakekaywell5972 man, get some humor…
I've just tried to buy this watch. Not available here in England until October, also a few hundred pounds more than the price you quote. Plus import duties and taxes, making this a very expensive Chinese watch.
Pre orders sold out in a few hours
TBH I have seen this watch in person and it is a joy to wear. Should you buy it because it is lower in price, of course. The Guilloche dial is the charm about it.
I wanted to get one and they are already sold out
The Chinese are a proud and ancient civilisation and people who have always been capable of remarkable engineering and design. I wish more watchmakers from China tapped into that heritage and that pride like Atelier Wen has.
Can't tell properly but looks like there is a hair stuck in the dial @ 03:26
Thanks, I didn’t know about these. I’ll be saving up my pocket money now for one.
👋 firsthand you continue to do an exceptional job at making these awesome videos about watches and more importantly explaining the origins and purpose behind such exquisite time keeping machines. Even a Seiko seems oh so enticing in your hands and voice that I've grown to appreciate the finer details of watches in general now. Thank you. As an Indian, I would certainly appreciate if you can feature watches from a startup Indian company called BWC (Bangalore Watch Company). They have been at it for sometime now and I believe they deserve an international mention for the effort to ignite passion amongst enthusiasts from my part of the world.
The watch itself seems pedestrian and besides the Indian angle, there are other more interesting microbrands out there. But then again, that's just my personal opinion.
I second that. BWC for the win!
I wonder if the Chinese 🇨🇳replica industry will make a copy of this🤔?
Yes
Beautiful design, but the finish is far from 2000$ levels. I would still just get a Tissot PRX instead.
Tissot hit all the right notes with Prx.
PRX is CNC. Not hand made Rose machine.
@@greaterbayareahero1401 yes but the finishing is poor. So it doesn’t justify the price. There are excellent guilloche finished watches but they are very expensive. I’d rather have cheap and excellent CNC than expensive but not great hand made watch if that makes any sense.
@@gasmaskdude2687 PRX is not much better and machine made with no human intervention whatsoever. It's a cookie cutter machine...
@@greaterbayareahero1401 yeah but PRX’s price with 80hr power reserve is unbeatable.
Wow, you really don’t want to pull out the loupe on that one.
The dial finishing is very rough...
The case smells Nautilus and the bracelet AP RO without the little links...But on the other hand everybody is copying, so nice watch !
Very pretty, but a movement with a ghost position and non-hacking? I await the future.
3:27 there's a HAIR incrusted IN THE DIAL. Incredible quality!
Imagine owning it and finding that 😂 I’d be horrified and wouldn’t be able to unsee it
Tell me about the movement ...
I avoid buying Made in China products whenever possible. Most people have no idea that their sub-$2k watch labeled “Swiss made” is assembled in Switzerland from mostly Made in China components.
I avoid buying watches from any country where eating cats and dogs is legal and prevalent. So both Switzerland and China are out. Only Grand Seiko for me ☺️
@@commentariat I always learn new things here, thank you! Although it’s legal in Switzerland, apparently it’s not common like in China and Vietnam. Vietnamese don’t really eat cats because cats do good work, at least that’s what my friends there tell me. I also learned it’s legal in most parts of the US! I do love my GS sbgm221.
@@commentariat I suppose Raketa from St. Petersburg, Russia would also be on your list then. It DEFINITELY is for me!
@@commentariat you can eat dog in Japan
@@cedshred1676Not sure where you got the source from but don’t be fooled by news. Dogs, cows and pigs etc, as long as they are farm raised legal meat, they can be eaten. In my opinion this is very hypocritical. I have never seen Indians criticize westerners eating beef.
They're already sold out for the rest of the year.
Love my Seagull 1963. Great, great piece that my wife wears all the time.
Thank you for introducing me to the world of Watches🙇🏼
*People Forget ..*
The Swiss where once the "market stall" watches doing knock-offs of British, French and German watches.
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@@manuelgarza2990 you must be new to TH-cam. Those are scam bots, a plague that's ruining the TH-cam comments at the moment.
So for this brand, they emphasise heavily on the guilloche dial, nothing about the movement........
History doing it's thing again.
Back in the day Europe tried to imitate chinese craftsmanship and artisan techniques. Eventually Europeans it got on pair to Chinese art and added it's own identity to make it it's own but Chinese culture had a big impact on European art specially in the rococo movement.
Now the biggest challenge for china is to overcome the stigma of cheap low quality. Japan had the same stigma in the 40s and nowadays japanese culture is very easy to "sell". Who knowns maybe in some years we will not only be using goods made in China but also designed in China.
Nice handmade stuff for 2k. Doesn't stand up to the microscope test, but if it does, will probably cost 10x as much.
Forget about the microscope test and look at how poorly finished the face is against the marker at 2:13. Hopefully this wasn't a piece specifically selected to show off on the channel.
@@Jason_Quinn I heard this is a prototype piece and has some teething issues.
What a gorgeous watch! Good to know there's a Chinese ultra-thin movement out there that should be appearing in more watches too :)
The cheapest porcelain dials can be found in Watches done for tableware company rosenthal by Pointec of Germany. The dials are cast, glazed, even partially hand painted in Germany. The entire WATCH costs around 200 €.... So the remark about a porcelain dial being crazy expensive is off by 2 orders of magnitude.
I am on the wait-list for this, but after seeing these zoomed in shots I'm ready to skip this one.
Great perspective...and art is art regardless of where it comes from, as you clearly point out...awesome video sir!
You could maybe take a look at Celadon HH or Maison Celadon (also made in china and HH stands for Haute Horologie for a reason :D ).
My Maison Celadon Imperial Peaock from 2021 is better made and better designed than most Watches i have seen - at least at that price point.
looks like some kind of a mix between a nautilus + VC. 222
love the black dial one
Japan was once a mediocre spin-off producer, now they're at the top of the electronics, car and also watch industry. With China only still on the rise, I'm excited about what they will be bringing into the watch world in the future.
"spin-off producer" excuse me? when exactly? 50, 60 70, 80, 90s?? when???
@@NicolasSilvaVasault When I was a little kid, back in the 50's, Japanese toys (my naturally occurring interest at that age) were mostly cast pot metal or stamped sheet metal with Tab A, Slot B, type construction, which followed the American market of 30 years earlier. You'll see such methods at antique auctions. The cast cars were approx 64th scale like today's matchbox, with 2 tires pressed on a wire which was pushed into twin U shaped receptacles under the nose and another, under the tail. No interiors, one color paint, enamel, not much gloss. 19 cents each, in a pile on a slot on the Woolsworth shelf. They were NOT finely made. Over time, Japan got better.
Japanese musical instruments went through a metamorphosis of quality through the 50s and 60s. MIJ (made in japan) drums, amps guitars, etc, sold for MUCH less than American made. Pearl started out building private label drums for export to the USA. Sears sold cheap flimsy sets and add-ons through it's catalogue. Now Pearl and other Japanese makers are world class. But it took many decades.
@@markfurman4386 i call it fucking bullshit, ibanez is a 50s brand and redefined the guitar world, so did seiko with their watches (130 years old brand), i can mention a shit ton of examples if i had to, but this whole statement is pure fucking bullshit i won't keep with this
I don't think so....
Surely the logo on the dial could be applied square? For the price and all...
Very impressive indeed. Yes I would buy one and wear it a lot
Amazing piece. Would love to see it in a smaller size.
Its already sold out. All of it!
The grey one is quite awesome looking even if I'm not of fancy/dress looking watches.
Well it is sold out
Comblémine produce lots of dials using the same guilloche pattern, difference is their work stands up to a macro lens
Except those cost far more than this. Some are like 8x the price of this
@@matttheoneonly6617 guilloché sartory billard sb04 are £2.8k, these are £2k, not much more
@@londonsfynest Sartory billard are CNC guilloche, not a fair comparison
If you can get real quality for a fraction of the money just because the work was sourced in a place where labor is cheap then why tf not!
Beautiful watch!
exactly where Swiss watches history started !
You are aware major portions of Swiss made watches are produced in China, often at the same factories as these Chinese brands?
is that movement really called, dang-dong ? or did i misshear that :DD
That's what she said
The dial is gorgeous, but I saw many glaring finish mistakes. However, I looked on the companies site, and others which didn't show these defects so this is likely a pre production watch which shouldn't have seen the light of day. At $2500 it looks to be a great investment for those who collect. 👍✌
Honestly, even if it's not a pre-production watch, it has a specific hand-made look which I still view as unique and beautiful in its own way.
Remember that the very close macro we see her with the dial is magnified many times, at hand it will look perfect.
Yes it's a prototype and many improvements will be made for the final production model. It's a gorgeous watch.
Several of the masters of guilloche aren't a big fan of macro photography for this reason. It's *meant* to be imperfect at 50x zoom, as that is the only way to tell it is the real thing.
@@dave38x In this case you can see the flaws without magnification, and this is a preproduction watch. I've seen pics of the production watch, and it's fairly perfect as you'd expect. 👍✌
To quote Lord Vader. "Most impessive".
Pass.... NEXT!
Made by 2 french teenagers nothing about it is 100% chinese traditional work
Imho, and I am new to the game, I saw something interesting and original till "222" bracelet shot came along! It feels a little confusing to me, who loved the asian elements, and then that 70's inspired design noticeable in the bracelet offsets/crashes it all: It's giving me cognitive dissonance somehow! There are so many traditional chinese bracelets inspired design they could have used instead, and 222 is a holy grail of mine, but to me the mix lessens the harmony!
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@@manuelgarza2990 nope, I do not contact them as mostly they for US residents.
When zoomed, it's not precise
3400 usd
This is a gorgeous watch. Reminds me of what Anordain is doing in Scotland.
make the indices slots on the face shorter by 4-6mm and file the back out underneath so they slot together, be a sweet way to hold the face on one plane and good for quality numbers as your only reworking the back of the dial, can be marked on the back ect, less need for absolute accuracy. Can also be custom final fit if they need to be. Would look great the indices as if going into water on the dial, the stainless and the ceramic coming together.
Could you please explain in simpler words (I'm not a native english speaker) what you mean by that. I'm trying to find a solution to make the transition between the indices and dial smother and share it with the owner
@@TheDoberman972 yes, of coarse, if you tell them it was my idea. Ha
So follow this link th-cam.com/video/D4I5BtCiZxE/w-d-xo.html to a short clip in the video of the maker filing the indices slot after cutting it I'd guess.
If he cut the indices slot length shorter by 3-4 mm and filed the non patterned side of the slot at an angle, to match the slope of the indices so the indices can slot underneath it flush along its length.
That way the patterned face will become flush with the level of the indices and the transition between the 2 would be more subtle and look great.
Its difficult to explain without a pen and paper to draw it, but i can send a pic or something to email?
@@TheDoberman972 what is your language please, maybe I can translate for you?
@@TheDoberman972 how do I get in touch with them plz?
@@Rhythm24inch I cannot share the link but if you go on their website at the end of the update 6 : Atelier Wen Perception: Update #6 - Pre-Orders Details, you will find a whatsapp group link
On the contrary I think it'd be a doddle for a Chinese brand to make a mark on the industry.
All it needs is a Parnis or similar to tweak the designs of the ones using less obvious cases so they no longer resemble other watches.
It'd be so easy to take their DJ clone for example and then change the dial, markers & hands and add a nice leather strap.
Not saying they couldn't be more ambitious as well of course.
the longer the video took the more enthusiastic I became. Until I heard the price...
they are getting better and better
I would like to hear your take on sinn watches I'm really thinking of buying one.not sure if you have already covered this brand !
Me too.
A very good German watch company.
Hi David, Sinn make fine watches that are really tough. They use third party movements, mostly from Sellita. I have a U50 and it's comfortable to wear and has chronometer level accuracy from its SW300.1 in Top. Try to get a candid opinion from the local service agent (rather than sales team). Lots of reviewers have covered the brand.
@@robertlock6041 thank you
strap deployant looks like PP style, and the quick bracelet adjustment system is practically an IWC copy.
Things being blatantly copied in China? No waaaaay...😆
The deployant is made by Brogioli SA in Switzerland. Who also supply the same deployant to IWC, Glasshutte original and Lange. It's not a copy if it's from the same supplier is it?
The movement looks unrefined dirty just in the first image
The high quality fakes, er replicas, they put out are a good indication of the industry capabilities, regardless of what you think of them. Some have a lot of the attributes of high-end watches.
They also crap out within months for many owners. Garbage!!
Yes the high quality fakes. Also the tech we put in self driving cars, smart phones, tablets, etc., many of which, are manufactured in China. As someone who has worked in PD in the US for years, it's always funny to see the hate on Chinese manufacturing.
Looks a bit dodgy under the macro lens
Look at 3:27 there is a small hair on the face of the watch Centre left of the picture. That's a no no! Otherwise a great looking watch, I think Ill have one.
For the price, this watch is gorgeous. I want it very much.
This is thefirst time I've been interested in a Chinese watch for being a Chinese watch
Such a boring watch. Was gutted when they started spoiling these. Their previous series had so much soul and charisma. Hard passed on this. Another Nautilus case added to the million other homages. New thing is they managed to make a guilloche dial look cheap and tacky.
They really dropped the ball on this one, but their next release sounds more in line with their previous line. Fingers crossed.
One point to note. The caseback is sweet. By far my favorite (and probably only) thing I like about the watch.
So surprised he didn't say this is better than Rolex
not recommend for oversea people to buy from china, i bought one of brand "sakura 3oth" model from china ecommerce website, after around 1 month compartment has been broken ( fall from chair sit distant ) ,need courier back to china for warranty repair. Problem arise when brand owner refuse to help communicate with his local custom department to waive on unreasonable 20% tax ( as i check across warranty product can be waive the tax ) . Brand owner is not helpful, ask to settle custom issue myself, very unfriendly. maybe not all china brand owner treat their customer like rubbish.
It's got this 70s boxy shape that I haven't ever seen before...
I think is beautiful!. However, as usual.. during these strange times the watch is "out of stock" or "unavailable"
This is a direct challenger to MING they have similar dials at £1500
Can you guys train this hand some other movements?
AP+PF case with VC bracelet
Not to mention the VC bracelet.
Waiting for mine to arrive in October
All I can see in this watch is the vacheron Constantin 222 bracelet knock off 😆
Not a big fan of that crown tho
Love the watch - wish it had a date window :(