+jake101 Thanks for the advice, slowly getting the hang of the aircraft. I like to go low after taking off, wait till I get to 600mph. Then zoom up to 4K, dive on any sad sod below me ;)
Excellent video. First video of yours i've seen actually. I did like the testing you've done beforehand showing the graphs and comparisons, very professional and very well done. I'll have to keep an eye on your videos in the future.
+Olismith27 Always glad to help the community, I suggest you check out some other episodes of BluePrints, the format changes from time t time but the stats are always there :)
+MikeGoesBoom Intrigued by your opinion. MiG 17, do you think it's a balance breaker at all? Do you think any aircraft are required to try and re-balance against it? Or do you think the balance is just fine when you consider the teams of USA/Britain/Japan vs USSR and Germany?
Olismith27 The thing about the MiG-15bis before it was the ease of use. It didn't really suffer in any category other than speed and challenging guns. The MiG-17 fixed one of those, making it even easier to use. There are of course substantial weak spots you can exploit, like the low roll rate, poor high speed acceleration, low ammo count, but most people don't know how to exploit those weaknesses. I don't think it's a balance breaker, depending on what you fly. The F-2 and the CL-13 can still fight it competitively, you just have to know how to properly use your advantages. It does however make other aircraft very hard to use now, if not obsolete (i.e. German MiG-15bis, Hunter)
Unfortunately I am or I was a Hunter pilot (note; I do own pretty much all aircraft in the game except the MiG 17 and Cl-13) as I got mine day one through grinding, and got it spaded through grinding over a week, and now it's just an immense sad face. Now it feels like the Meteor F.8 and Venom are superior as they never yielded any sort of speed advantage in the first place and survived by maneuverability or in the case of the Meteor some surprising acceleration, so for them, nothing has changed much. For me it does feel like a bit of a balance breaker as it does hold too many of the major cards in its favour. But that's my opinion I guess.
Xrail but the dude didn't crit him to the point where he couldn't fly properly anymore. the dude could fly fine and if it weren't for mike the guy who said he killstealed it would've died.
Who is War Thunder made by? The graphics look legit AF for a game released back in 2013.... They seem like they have a ton of vehicles, and the gameplay looks really fun with somewhat real looking pilot controls and tank captaining. Why am I not playing yet?.... World of War Ships has my soul right now, but these vids are slowly pulling my interest over to War Thunder.
Gaijin Entertainment, War Thunder is a continuation of their earlier Birds of Steel Project. If you think that looked good, check out this :P th-cam.com/video/oE4bwEWmKNE/w-d-xo.html
SWIFTY_WINS I really like world of warships too, not a huge fan of the grinding though. It takes wayyyyyy too long and war thunder feels like your grinding for actual vehicles
Soo how do I fight them in a vampire, thanks to gaijins amazing br system I fight them now do I try to out turn them? Or do I just accept the fact that k have no chance in winning and crash my plane into the ground?
Hasn't gotten better in 2 months. My f2h banshee is regularly being uptiered and fighting hunters and pretty much every model of mig available to the russian tree. Its not that balanced. I mean... for fucks sakes. A russian Mig 15 (and onward) can outrun my f2h in a dive when I'm going almost 600 mphs. They don't even have to dive to outrun me either. If I dive on a mig 15 and I miss my shots and they decide to climb, they will still outrun me. #balanced
Devan Neeley the reason it's this way is the game used to have a spread out battle rating of 20 tiers so everything was balanced till people complained about que times. The community will never be happy
Roger Rabbit it doesn't get any bette in anything else. I'm in the hunter and it's a great plane but if you miss then he will turn and roll like an I 16 going 700mph... it's like I don't mind being slower than something but if I can't turn at all and he turns better than some spits?? Then how is that fair? The mig 15 bis is a perfect top tier jet it outruns hunters if they aren't flying straight for 5 minutes (due to the hunters weight) and it can out turn everything
The kill at around 12:30 wasn't a kill steal. You were the one that did the first damage to him so if your teammate was going to kill him it would've been a killsteal from him.
>Gets behind the Venom, no problem keeping up and maneuvering >Venom gets behind it, acceleration speed puts the venom behind easily Gaijn should have never added this plane
Yay, waiting for this, Guess i got the hang of it since im near 200 kills and its the only jet i got a positive KD in lol. And im in the video at 2:00 and at 7:22 :D And btw an F2 rips without boosters on now ahah
Well I am in this vid. For like 3 seconds xD (MrChesse in the back there) but other than that thats some nice charts and such. Kudos to you and keep it up ;)
First I would like to thank you for these stats, I know it's a lot of work and I am sure we all appreciate it. Just as with the 163 and the ram jet boosted 262, mig 17 is superior in most ways, but has significant weakneses that can be exploited and do not show up in simple stats. Bouth Hunter and cl have much better acceleration at high speeds, therefore making those two aircraft appear faster and have better energy retention at those speeds than a mig 17. All you need to do is manover at speeds above 800km/h in a Hunter and 700 in a cl to outclass a mig 17. At those speeds, when something with more energy gets on migs 6, within effective firing range, its next to impossible to outrun them since even tiny movements to evade shots will cost the mig a lot of speed. The same goes for when a mig is in pursuit, just trackng your target will loose you more energy than the oponent will when rolling around and doing barrel rolls. Migs' guns have very low velocity, little ammo and stealth rounds are useless, making them very hard to aim and easy to dodge. Average pilot will have much easier time getting kills with literally anything else at top tier just because of guns. Outturn them? 1) Usually not even an option since prolonged turning makes you an easy target. 2) The aircraft behind you does not need to turn as sharply as you are turning to get guns on you. All this makes mig 17 excelent in 1v1 fights, not as good as sabres or a hunter when fighting multiple oponents. And lets mension the overheating problem on a mig 17, it starts to be an issue after about 10 minutes or so of flight, after that you have to periodically cool it off, in prolonged fights this is what will kill you. Now for making them roll and rip their wings. It takes a skilled pilot to reliably put an enemy in that position and will work less and less as people learn to fly the mig 17 and realise its limitations. I do agree, the german mig 15 is screwed on all fronts, but as to the rest I am not so sure. As to the KS... You got the F9F off him, you damaged him first, you were still on his 6, Nyonix should have went for altitude and waited for you to either pull off or finish the clearly smoking Panther, instead he went in with an intent to steal your kill. You did KS it, but it was fully justified. I would have done the same. The more important consideration that could be made is whether you should have wasted ammo on a wingless f9f that was going down and risk Nyonix TK you for what was in his mind a KS.
+Karol lp This. This is exactly the type of comment I'm looking for. Thank you, perfect example of constructive criticism! It is true, there are weakpoints to explore, and hopefully this video will teach people exactly that. Energy retention is the one thing I can't reliably put in numbers. Hopefully some day I will figure out how to test energy retention and put them in a graph to compare to other aircraft, but I'll be honest, I have no clue how I would even go about that.
Not a killsteal on the Panther. I've managed to get another kill a couple of times whilst missing part of my wing, or at least managed to land and repair without a kill credit...
I use Vegas Pro, takes a while to learn but it's less complicated than Adobe Premiere. It's way too expensive through legit means tho, unless you can pick up a legit license on Humble Bundle for 20 bucks on the rare times they offer them. Alternatively, there's DaVinci Resolve. I haven't tried it myself yet, but it's free and I've been hearing good things about it
In my opinion, after the arrival of Hunter, and especially of Mig 17, top tier combat has evolved. Now speed isn´t all that matters, Sabres and CL13s can´t carry a match anymore only running. Now energy retention, acceleration and a high-velocity armament are all that matters, along with speed. This, and the cutoff date for planes pushed into the 60s, opens the door for new top tier planes like F-86H for USA, G.91R/3 for Germany, Supermarine Swift for the British and Sabre F-40 for the Japanese. These and many others could be the new WT top tier aircraft imo.
+J fer That raises the issue of power creep though. Could those jets face stuff like MiG-9s, Meteors, Me-163s? Would they go supersonic? What about afterburners?
MikeGoesBoom Gaijin should put some 9.0 jets and these new ones in 10.0 BR, problem fixed. Also, these ones I proposed don´t have an afterburner, and the fastest one is the British Swift at 1135 kph (around 708mph)
"The only thing that holds it back is the rollrate" - What about the guns! The 37mm, despite doing a huge amount of damage, has a lot of recoil, and on a stock aircraft are very inaccurate and prone to bouncing even on high deflection shots. I find it difficult to get kills in the MiGs sometimes because of the unreliability of the cannon. Some of the sparks that I get just don't make any sense. The low velocity is something I am also simply unable to mentally compensate for... I miss so many shots with it because the bullets just.... fall short.
I was perm bann from chat because no one black list's me or turns off chat they just get me banned because im soo annoying because im trying to start conversation :(
should i go for ussr or usa? im already half way through usa, but it is hard to get kills with americans, and im progressing slowly, where as ussr has the op props and can research faster, so which one? or should i go for brits? but they are a bit slow, i dont mean hunters but all brit jets. i want a good jet, but i cant wait too long! so brit, usa, or ussr? people say ussr is bad cuase derp cannons! usa research is long and has 50 cals, brits are slow. which one?
At the moment I don't, it's only really useful when you fly stuff with different caliber ammunition or mounted at different heights. I've got about 400-500m , but since all the guns are mounted in the nose it doesn't do that much of a difference either
Flixilp the particular one I use is this one: forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/164714-warthunder-utility-for-displaying-information-in-replay-and-fm-testing/
So I have some Russian background not much but a few months ago my family acquired our MiG 15 like our one the one the my grandparents and great grandparents flew back in the Korean and Vietnam war I going to see it in a few days so it will be interesting to see what our new "little beast" will do soon
This is the problem I see with War Thunder at higher tiers. If you introduce something newer, it will be better than everything else, because the Cold War arms race was in full swing. I see no other way Gaigin could balance out the MiG-17 without completely messing everyone up is the introduction of the F-84F Thunderstreak, which we could also give to the Germans. They could also give the Germans the MiG-17 as well. We could also introduce the F9F Cougar and mess up anyone else who chose not to go down US Navy or VVS fighters. The Japanese would be completely shafted, though, unless we gave all the swept-wing jets the ability to pass the speed of sound in a dive. Which would fuck over the MiG-15 and the MiG-15bis, due to the horrible dive characteristics the jets have. Its not that it couldn't go supersonic in a dive; it couldn't get out once it did. When Chuck Yeager visited the Soviet Union on an official capacity, the Soviet pilots did not believe he has in fact flown a MiG-15; he claimed he put it in a dive numerous times, and the Soviet pilots were all too aware of the horrible dive characteristics. The MiG-17 was better, but not by much.
+Glockin .Grizzly It's not quite that simple, it's not just pilot skill but also the situation you're in that counts. The Cl-13 and F-2 are still very capable aircraft that can hold their own against the MiG, you just have to play to your strengths and position.
+Spit_flyer look at him "if you want to learn how to aim" that's cute ! Anyway it's not the same gun Yak 9T : NS37 900m/s - Mig 17 : N37(D) 670m/s, Yak 9P would have been a better advice (it shares the N37). wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Category:Gun_templates
not a kill steal. so meany times im involved in a dog fight on an enemy's tail some guy will come out of no where to try and snatch the kill. they fly throug my gun fire or risk ramming me all to kill a plane that is is gonna get killed any way.
F9F DID lose his right wing, and they can only bearly climb if over 800Km/h (SPD), so i think it was a kill steal... i would of gone for it anyway though :P
you didn't cripple him. Not the point where he was incapable of flying properly. He was evading pretty well till your teammate took out his wing tip. So yeah, it was a KS. Firing first doesn't mean you have a hold on the target.
+Can Berk Oner Could do, I probably won't compare it to jets of it's tier since that would involve a lot of testing, but I guess I could compare it to the Ki-200
+MikeGoesBoom That would be nice, as I could have really done with a 163 guide when I first got it. It was my first rank 5, as I wanted to unlock my favourite plane in WW2, the ME 262.
That what you call a perfectly aware player with perfect evading skills, i get every match a full team of those. Not even single time my enemy makes an easy target, they evade like if their real life depended on it. I feel like the unluckiest player ever, always watching on youtube so many easy kills, while that never happens to me in game.
And that's what people say about the bias too. Let me tell you, once you get to high tiers, getting put in an allies vs russia match, you will want to J out immediately.
+Combatsmithen 100% Agree, I'd say we go steal an Abrams Tank, or hell, just tell the U.S Army that it's going on, they'll fucking lend it to us! We'll show Gaijin a few reasons NOT to fuck with the U.S.A!
Combatsmithen lol but in all seriousness, the REASON WHY there is so much Russian Bias is simple: PEOPLE.LOVE.SOVIETS. Honestly, I've seen more Americans worship Soviet's than they even show recognition to some of the U.S's greatest Leaders. I mean look at Patton, that man was an unstopable killing machine with his tactics. I for one won't fall to it, yes, I own top tier Soviet Tanks, do I enjoy playing them? No, because I feel dirty, cheated, and fucked over. Think about it, an American Loving Country Boy is sitting here, pretty much forced to play Soviet Tanks to even have a slight bit of fun, when really, I should be able to play my M103 and NOT FUCKING MISS EVERY SHOT THAT'S UNDER 1 KILOMETER.
+Nova Borealis you clearly have no concept or aerodynamics, putting a 45mm gun in a yak shouldn't leave it with the same turn time, russian planes stall at way low speeds, don't get me started on tanks.
+bob bob That's literally impossible, are you sure you didn't have a german jet in your lineup and were in Arcade? Or maybe you squadded up with someone in a high tier tank? xD
that was a killsteal, the F9F probably wasn't able to land, so he would've gotten the kill. And he critted him before you did so it's a killsteal even more so.
The Russian bias isn't as bad in the air compared to the ground, which IS tanks just sealclub tiger Is and IIs. Not to mention the bounce and pen bonus that applies to all Russian tanks ONLY. Russian tanks are made of Stalinium in this game.
This damn plane ruins the Hunter so bad. Luckily I have all tier v all nations so I can use the MiG-17 instead of fighting it :p And that wasn't a ks, the guy is just probably an ass.
The Russian planes are overly buffed. I mean, the WWII planes were wood and fabric, yet resist several 37mm cannon shots. In RB. Yet, the P-51, for example, takes only 2-3 of the Russian 30mm cannon shots. What is going on?!
watching this in 2017 when struggeling my balls off againsy mig17s with my stock hunter. Litterly cannot do anything against them once they are behind you
I'm seriously sorry but ive found myself outurning a mig 17 bis in my f2 sabre. fuck the stats, don't mean shit. its the fact that the mig 17 can pull more gs at higher speeds than the sabre.
i would ratter you say. The Fm is not Perfected ratter then it op. and is this ur only acc? :O how the heck. did u get to level 100 with such little gameplayed..
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First ^^, i swear i didn't cheat.
ps Russian bias
pss Right, Right... Wrong
+The Iron Armenian aka G.I. Haigs Russian history bias?
"If you're flying a hunter? You're fucked" Heh, I already knew that. *cries*
and if you cut both wings in the half you will become a Mig 21
Rip Hunter, one day, one day, you'll have good stats.
+jake101 Thanks for the advice, slowly getting the hang of the aircraft. I like to go low after taking off, wait till I get to 600mph. Then zoom up to 4K, dive on any sad sod below me ;)
Excellent video. First video of yours i've seen actually. I did like the testing you've done beforehand showing the graphs and comparisons, very professional and very well done. I'll have to keep an eye on your videos in the future.
+Olismith27 Always glad to help the community, I suggest you check out some other episodes of BluePrints, the format changes from time t time but the stats are always there :)
+MikeGoesBoom Intrigued by your opinion. MiG 17, do you think it's a balance breaker at all? Do you think any aircraft are required to try and re-balance against it? Or do you think the balance is just fine when you consider the teams of USA/Britain/Japan vs USSR and Germany?
Olismith27 The thing about the MiG-15bis before it was the ease of use. It didn't really suffer in any category other than speed and challenging guns. The MiG-17 fixed one of those, making it even easier to use. There are of course substantial weak spots you can exploit, like the low roll rate, poor high speed acceleration, low ammo count, but most people don't know how to exploit those weaknesses.
I don't think it's a balance breaker, depending on what you fly. The F-2 and the CL-13 can still fight it competitively, you just have to know how to properly use your advantages. It does however make other aircraft very hard to use now, if not obsolete (i.e. German MiG-15bis, Hunter)
Unfortunately I am or I was a Hunter pilot (note; I do own pretty much all aircraft in the game except the MiG 17 and Cl-13) as I got mine day one through grinding, and got it spaded through grinding over a week, and now it's just an immense sad face. Now it feels like the Meteor F.8 and Venom are superior as they never yielded any sort of speed advantage in the first place and survived by maneuverability or in the case of the Meteor some surprising acceleration, so for them, nothing has changed much.
For me it does feel like a bit of a balance breaker as it does hold too many of the major cards in its favour. But that's my opinion I guess.
1:20, i broke my wings yesterday like this:D
lol no that wasn't a killsteal, you saved the guys ass, you hit him forst, it was your kill.
+Happy Aye! It was. He critted but the other player have ripped a wing off, thats a kill. Then Mike just fired down a brick that was actually dying.
Francisco López still, the one that fires at it first deserves the kill. the other guy was actually (almost) the kill stealer.
+Happy Aye! wrong, if you crit someone so bad that they will die soon, and then some one else kills them, then thats a kill steal.
Xrail but the dude didn't crit him to the point where he couldn't fly properly anymore. the dude could fly fine and if it weren't for mike the guy who said he killstealed it would've died.
+Happy Aye! It matters little to me even if a teammate takes my kill, as long as the enemy is permanently out of action, it's all good for me.
Who is War Thunder made by? The graphics look legit AF for a game released back in 2013.... They seem like they have a ton of vehicles, and the gameplay looks really fun with somewhat real looking pilot controls and tank captaining. Why am I not playing yet?.... World of War Ships has my soul right now, but these vids are slowly pulling my interest over to War Thunder.
Gaijin Entertainment, War Thunder is a continuation of their earlier Birds of Steel Project.
If you think that looked good, check out this :P
th-cam.com/video/oE4bwEWmKNE/w-d-xo.html
SWIFTY_WINS try it, u might regret it, but I had the best free deal of my life
Very well done. If only WoWS looked that good. Downloaded War Thunder today thanks to you! See you out there on the battlefield Mike!
NanoShock Downloaded full client today :)
SWIFTY_WINS I really like world of warships too, not a huge fan of the grinding though. It takes wayyyyyy too long and war thunder feels like your grinding for actual vehicles
"Who carries bombs on a jet fighter?" *raises hand while flying the F-84*
how to fix the situation. F3 Hunter.
English Electric Lightning. 2 years younger than the MiG 17 and makes it look like a biplane.
gib mig 19
*In the distance* what about the F-100
no you idiot, EEL is mig-19 era.
“don’t get your torches and pitchforks and write Russian bias in the comments”
Me: hold my kvass
Soo how do I fight them in a vampire, thanks to gaijins amazing br system I fight them now do I try to out turn them? Or do I just accept the fact that k have no chance in winning and crash my plane into the ground?
Hasn't gotten better in 2 months. My f2h banshee is regularly being uptiered and fighting hunters and pretty much every model of mig available to the russian tree.
Its not that balanced.
I mean... for fucks sakes. A russian Mig 15 (and onward) can outrun my f2h in a dive when I'm going almost 600 mphs.
They don't even have to dive to outrun me either. If I dive on a mig 15 and I miss my shots and they decide to climb, they will still outrun me. #balanced
Devan Neeley the reason it's this way is the game used to have a spread out battle rating of 20 tiers so everything was balanced till people complained about que times. The community will never be happy
Roger Rabbit it doesn't get any bette in anything else. I'm in the hunter and it's a great plane but if you miss then he will turn and roll like an I 16 going 700mph... it's like I don't mind being slower than something but if I can't turn at all and he turns better than some spits?? Then how is that fair? The mig 15 bis is a perfect top tier jet it outruns hunters if they aren't flying straight for 5 minutes (due to the hunters weight) and it can out turn everything
Ah... I remember when it was the F2H was hated as it was clubbing jets like the Meteor F Mk.3
7:50 music ?
Imagine if the MiG-17's wings were buffed so it was harder to rip while turning and increased roll rate
I accidently killed a Mig 17in my first SB flight with a jet. My mates could believe it xD
how can you see the 37 mm gun and the 23mm guns as thier own cnn i see em all in one and idk how much ammo i have left in my 37 then..
FusionTrain
I keyed the fire button to my thumb buttons on my mouse so I can fire my cannons and my MGs separately
The kill at around 12:30 wasn't a kill steal. You were the one that did the first damage to him so if your teammate was going to kill him it would've been a killsteal from him.
Your German accent is like: "heeey i'm here" :D (really are u German?)
I am, partly xD
18:08 - not a split S but Immelmann, mate.
cheers
>Gets behind the Venom, no problem keeping up and maneuvering
>Venom gets behind it, acceleration speed puts the venom behind easily
Gaijn should have never added this plane
Yay, waiting for this, Guess i got the hang of it since im near 200 kills and its the only jet i got a positive KD in lol. And im in the video at 2:00 and at 7:22 :D
And btw an F2 rips without boosters on now ahah
+KingAwol Indeed you are :P
+KingAwol al top tier should have positive K/D,since they get downtiered and fight meteors mk 3 often...
trouble 055 i didnt know how to fly the mig15 and i flew the bis out like 11 times lol
+KingAwol l2p issue. close the thread
KingAwol Hahaha the guy that cant do good with a bis, pls man, is the best plane in the game :)
GJ Mike, quality content as always :)
+Spookybossman 3 Thanks o7
how do u fight the mig 15 and 17 in an f2h2?
Well I am in this vid. For like 3 seconds xD (MrChesse in the back there) but other than that thats some nice charts and such. Kudos to you and keep it up ;)
Wow I sure miss all this it was so fun and amazing
First I would like to thank you for these stats, I know it's a lot of work and I am sure we all appreciate it.
Just as with the 163 and the ram jet boosted 262, mig 17 is superior in most ways, but has significant weakneses that can be exploited and do not show up in simple stats.
Bouth Hunter and cl have much better acceleration at high speeds, therefore making those two aircraft appear faster and have better energy retention at those speeds than a mig 17. All you need to do is manover at speeds above 800km/h in a Hunter and 700 in a cl to outclass a mig 17. At those speeds, when something with more energy gets on migs 6, within effective firing range, its next to impossible to outrun them since even tiny movements to evade shots will cost the mig a lot of speed. The same goes for when a mig is in pursuit, just trackng your target will loose you more energy than the oponent will when rolling around and doing barrel rolls. Migs' guns have very low velocity, little ammo and stealth rounds are useless, making them very hard to aim and easy to dodge. Average pilot will have much easier time getting kills with literally anything else at top tier just because of guns. Outturn them? 1) Usually not even an option since prolonged turning makes you an easy target. 2) The aircraft behind you does not need to turn as sharply as you are turning to get guns on you. All this makes mig 17 excelent in 1v1 fights, not as good as sabres or a hunter when fighting multiple oponents. And lets mension the overheating problem on a mig 17, it starts to be an issue after about 10 minutes or so of flight, after that you have to periodically cool it off, in prolonged fights this is what will kill you. Now for making them roll and rip their wings. It takes a skilled pilot to reliably put an enemy in that position and will work less and less as people learn to fly the mig 17 and realise its limitations.
I do agree, the german mig 15 is screwed on all fronts, but as to the rest I am not so sure.
As to the KS... You got the F9F off him, you damaged him first, you were still on his 6, Nyonix should have went for altitude and waited for you to either pull off or finish the clearly smoking Panther, instead he went in with an intent to steal your kill. You did KS it, but it was fully justified. I would have done the same. The more important consideration that could be made is whether you should have wasted ammo on a wingless f9f that was going down and risk Nyonix TK you for what was in his mind a KS.
+Karol lp This. This is exactly the type of comment I'm looking for. Thank you, perfect example of constructive criticism!
It is true, there are weakpoints to explore, and hopefully this video will teach people exactly that. Energy retention is the one thing I can't reliably put in numbers. Hopefully some day I will figure out how to test energy retention and put them in a graph to compare to other aircraft, but I'll be honest, I have no clue how I would even go about that.
Hi, I'm wondering how do you get those plane's stats? Is there a website or ...? AFK for a while, and i really need these stats :)
I test them myself with a tool similar to this one:
forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/112710-warthunder-logging-utility-for-flightmodel-testing/
I can't believe that the hunter is slower than it.... it doesn't turn but it's significantly slower... like wha?
You clearly deserve more subs than 8200.. Anyway that's one more! I'll share :)
+LxiR „Elekksir“ Wilkiem Thanks mate :)
TH-cam channels always have to start some here's :)
Antonio Brignoni Well, looking better now than back then :P
Yeah! I'm happy for ya mike :) Keep on doing what you are doing :)
MikeGoesBoom
some where* haha I can't type correctly :P and just wait a year or two and your channel will be huge
Eh russian bias isn't so much in planes but mostly in the tanks. i mena it seems like all of the tanks have some magic boucing armor
What does aced mean
I'm only 10 months late! It means he's purchased all the modifications.
What about the CL-13sabre?
MiG 17 working as intended, comrade
Not a killsteal on the Panther. I've managed to get another kill a couple of times whilst missing part of my wing, or at least managed to land and repair without a kill credit...
hello Mike can you tell me what program you use to do the videos you publish? i used ezvid but it is really heavy and cumbersome, thank you
I use Vegas Pro, takes a while to learn but it's less complicated than Adobe Premiere. It's way too expensive through legit means tho, unless you can pick up a legit license on Humble Bundle for 20 bucks on the rare times they offer them.
Alternatively, there's DaVinci Resolve. I haven't tried it myself yet, but it's free and I've been hearing good things about it
Not a kill steal. He wasn't on fire. You engaged him first, you did the most crits. Legit kill
can you do one of these on the mig15 bis please?
+TG_SnapRollz I did do a comparison between top tier jets before the MiG-17 came out, check it out here:
th-cam.com/video/QjQUCIeTh4g/w-d-xo.html
That wasn't a Killsteal. You engaged him first and you saved your team mate. If anything, it was a shared kill.
In my opinion, after the arrival of Hunter, and especially of Mig 17, top tier combat has evolved. Now speed isn´t all that matters, Sabres and CL13s can´t carry a match anymore only running. Now energy retention, acceleration and a high-velocity armament are all that matters, along with speed. This, and the cutoff date for planes pushed into the 60s, opens the door for new top tier planes like F-86H for USA, G.91R/3 for Germany, Supermarine Swift for the British and Sabre F-40 for the Japanese. These and many others could be the new WT top tier aircraft imo.
+J fer That raises the issue of power creep though. Could those jets face stuff like MiG-9s, Meteors, Me-163s? Would they go supersonic? What about afterburners?
MikeGoesBoom Gaijin should put some 9.0 jets and these new ones in 10.0 BR, problem fixed. Also, these ones I proposed don´t have an afterburner, and the fastest one is the British Swift at 1135 kph (around 708mph)
ho ! it's me at 2:31
"The only thing that holds it back is the rollrate" - What about the guns! The 37mm, despite doing a huge amount of damage, has a lot of recoil, and on a stock aircraft are very inaccurate and prone to bouncing even on high deflection shots. I find it difficult to get kills in the MiGs sometimes because of the unreliability of the cannon. Some of the sparks that I get just don't make any sense. The low velocity is something I am also simply unable to mentally compensate for... I miss so many shots with it because the bullets just.... fall short.
If it's still flying, it's a danger to your chance of winning. I don't think that counts as a killsteal.
This video is so helpful! just not for me I have no jets
I was perm bann from chat because no one black list's me or turns off chat they just get me banned because im soo annoying because im trying to start conversation :(
the russians need the bias because without it, teir would be useless :)
Kevineitor199 it's actually very realistic
yeah fuck me right?
13 sparks in a row with the 37mm, sure... bias.
Neko-Bird did you only use the 37mm cannon or the 23mm to? because what might hit was the 23mm
37.
should i go for ussr or usa? im already half way through usa, but it is hard to get kills with americans, and im progressing slowly, where as ussr has the op props and can research faster, so which one? or should i go for brits? but they are a bit slow, i dont mean hunters but all brit jets. i want a good jet, but i cant wait too long! so brit, usa, or ussr? people say ussr is bad cuase derp cannons! usa research is long and has 50 cals, brits are slow. which one?
Brits slow? Where have you heard this? And I'd go for the Meteor Mk.3. Easiest jet.
Tommy Lakasi the 50 calls are great use universal
Tommy Lakasi USSR
what are you doing with your life PLAY ZE GERMANS YOU FUCKING SCRUB
Ja, mein Freund, die Deutschen sind die Besten! Zum Sieg! (Yes My Friend The Germans Are the Best! To Victory!)
The kill goes to who ever makes the shot and makes the kill happen
Ребят, обьясните то как играть? Я ничего не понимаю на его языке...
OMG MY SQUAD m8's were in THIS VIDEO
Somebody knows what exactly means "bias"? It's just for curiosity IDK
+MikeGoesBoom do you have vertical targeting? And what is your targeting distance with the MiG-17?
At the moment I don't, it's only really useful when you fly stuff with different caliber ammunition or mounted at different heights. I've got about 400-500m , but since all the guns are mounted in the nose it doesn't do that much of a difference either
Mike, we need to fly out again, I have the Sabre now :3
how do you make this charts
+Flixilp I use a program to collect the data and then process it in Excel :)
what is the programs name
Flixilp the particular one I use is this one: forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/164714-warthunder-utility-for-displaying-information-in-replay-and-fm-testing/
Does this video still apply today?
So I have some Russian background not much but a few months ago my family acquired our MiG 15 like our one the one the my grandparents and great grandparents flew back in the Korean and Vietnam war I going to see it in a few days so it will be interesting to see what our new "little beast" will do soon
how to fight one in a panther
What is your most played jet? Hunter?
Yup
Seeing how people thought Hunter was so under powered, now is the easiest plane in game.
f 100 super saber make russian mig 17 look like a shinny target
Do a guide to the f86 a5
boom, sabre can rip. even without boosters
+Andrew Pilot Hmm, it couldn't before, guess they 'fixed' that in the last patch
MikeGoesBoom sabres is just not i plane i prefer, or wish to fly again lately. Panthers yes, sabres no
so they get the MiG 17...can we get the F4 Phantom?
+The Badass Bassist Imagine the super sabre in warthunder :P
I wonder how this mig 17 would compare to an f16 in terms of performance?
This is the problem I see with War Thunder at higher tiers.
If you introduce something newer, it will be better than everything else, because the Cold War arms race was in full swing. I see no other way Gaigin could balance out the MiG-17 without completely messing everyone up is the introduction of the F-84F Thunderstreak, which we could also give to the Germans. They could also give the Germans the MiG-17 as well. We could also introduce the F9F Cougar and mess up anyone else who chose not to go down US Navy or VVS fighters. The Japanese would be completely shafted, though, unless we gave all the swept-wing jets the ability to pass the speed of sound in a dive.
Which would fuck over the MiG-15 and the MiG-15bis, due to the horrible dive characteristics the jets have. Its not that it couldn't go supersonic in a dive; it couldn't get out once it did. When Chuck Yeager visited the Soviet Union on an official capacity, the Soviet pilots did not believe he has in fact flown a MiG-15; he claimed he put it in a dive numerous times, and the Soviet pilots were all too aware of the horrible dive characteristics. The MiG-17 was better, but not by much.
killed a mig-17 with a fw190 a5 in a head on , then proceeded to kill 5 other jets.
So given two pilots of equal skill 9 out of ten times the on with the best plane wins. Is there any point in even grinding any nation but Russia?
+Glockin .Grizzly It's not quite that simple, it's not just pilot skill but also the situation you're in that counts. The Cl-13 and F-2 are still very capable aircraft that can hold their own against the MiG, you just have to play to your strengths and position.
Sounds like the Mig-17 ist the Spitfire under the jets.
I tried to hit the like button with my wingtip but slipped and plowed the whole plane into it...
+Spit_flyer Very honorabru :D
+MikeGoesBoom if you want to learn how to aim the 37mm fly out the Yak-9T or the Yak-9K
+Spit_flyer look at him "if you want to learn how to aim" that's cute ! Anyway it's not the same gun Yak 9T : NS37 900m/s - Mig 17 : N37(D) 670m/s, Yak 9P would have been a better advice (it shares the N37).
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Thanks mate :) Didn't realise because I have neither the MiG or the Yak-9P XD
No killsteal because you saved him, crippled the aircraft that was casing him and then killed him
Okay, if I meet one in EC RB I'll just fly the horten then. If I meet one in SB, I'll just.... uhh.... uhh..... dodge them for eternity?
not a kill steal. so meany times im involved in a dog fight on an enemy's tail some guy will come out of no where to try and snatch the kill. they fly throug my gun fire or risk ramming me all to kill a plane that is is gonna get killed any way.
What is 6000m to ft?
Just multiply by 3.
So 3 x 6.000 = 18.000ft
Moon Man I suck at math
+Moon Man Its more like 3.3, 6km = 20k ft
Ian Laor ....
Barry Yu ?
F9F DID lose his right wing, and they can only bearly climb if over 800Km/h (SPD), so i think it was a kill steal... i would of gone for it anyway though :P
you didn't cripple him. Not the point where he was incapable of flying properly. He was evading pretty well till your teammate took out his wing tip. So yeah, it was a KS. Firing first doesn't mean you have a hold on the target.
Could you do the ME 163? Sometime?
+Can Berk Oner Could do, I probably won't compare it to jets of it's tier since that would involve a lot of testing, but I guess I could compare it to the Ki-200
+MikeGoesBoom That would be nice, as I could have really done with a 163 guide when I first got it. It was my first rank 5, as I wanted to unlock my favourite plane in WW2, the ME 262.
That what you call a perfectly aware player with perfect evading skills, i get every match a full team of those. Not even single time my enemy makes an easy target, they evade like if their real life depended on it.
I feel like the unluckiest player ever, always watching on youtube so many easy kills, while that never happens to me in game.
there is a russian bias. 90% of the loading screens show soviets winning.
The bottom line is that it is OP and thats it.
I always wondered why nobody mentions the loading screens. it's such a clear sign.
And that's what people say about the bias too. Let me tell you, once you get to high tiers, getting put in an allies vs russia match, you will want to J out immediately.
+Combatsmithen 100% Agree, I'd say we go steal an Abrams Tank, or hell, just tell the U.S Army that it's going on, they'll fucking lend it to us!
We'll show Gaijin a few reasons NOT to fuck with the U.S.A!
Demarticus Stone HELL YEAH!
Combatsmithen lol but in all seriousness, the REASON WHY there is so much Russian Bias is simple: PEOPLE.LOVE.SOVIETS.
Honestly, I've seen more Americans worship Soviet's than they even show recognition to some of the U.S's greatest Leaders.
I mean look at Patton, that man was an unstopable killing machine with his tactics.
I for one won't fall to it, yes, I own top tier Soviet Tanks, do I enjoy playing them? No, because I feel dirty, cheated, and fucked over.
Think about it, an American Loving Country Boy is sitting here, pretty much forced to play Soviet Tanks to even have a slight bit of fun, when really, I should be able to play my M103 and NOT FUCKING MISS EVERY SHOT THAT'S UNDER 1 KILOMETER.
at this point in time in my hunter i actively seek out migs cause theyre the easiest to fight
came here to see some weaknesses of the mig17 but no, I think its russian bias then, great vid btw.
All russian planes are kind of op because the develop team is from russia
+Nova Borealis in reality every plane only needed only a few hit to go down
+Nova Borealis you clearly have no concept or aerodynamics, putting a 45mm gun in a yak shouldn't leave it with the same turn time, russian planes stall at way low speeds, don't get me started on tanks.
+YourAverageEnemy Thank you i couldnt say it better
+Nova Borealis Haha no plane was like that
Nova is clearly a Soviet fan, blindly so. The MiG-17 is clearly OP. Some people grow really attached to their OP planes though.
>:( I just bought panzer 4 and the first match I got war thundered against t10m and the BR is only 3.3 and its teir 3 >:I
+bob bob That's literally impossible, are you sure you didn't have a german jet in your lineup and were in Arcade? Or maybe you squadded up with someone in a high tier tank? xD
mohawk said he didn't have ammo when he was on your six and you got rekt by a 16 year old lol.
what i'm going to do is play as russia, but hunt the over powered planes and escort a wounded B 17 s
that was a killsteal, the F9F probably wasn't able to land, so he would've gotten the kill. And he critted him before you did so it's a killsteal even more so.
+Quintkat „Quin“ I did crit his engine and flap beforehand, but I guess that is a valid input :)
The Russian bias isn't as bad in the air compared to the ground, which IS tanks just sealclub tiger Is and IIs. Not to mention the bounce and pen bonus that applies to all Russian tanks ONLY. Russian tanks are made of Stalinium in this game.
This damn plane ruins the Hunter so bad. Luckily I have all tier v all nations so I can use the MiG-17 instead of fighting it :p
And that wasn't a ks, the guy is just probably an ass.
Same
Nova Borealis facepalm
Nova Borealis you're* that is funny you call me one
Vegans man
i cant play russian jets because my ping is 100+ and it makes every single shot spark so more shots over less more powerful shots.
Inb4 mig 17 gets clubbed with addition of english electric lightning and f106 delta dart
Tu-4? MgB confirmed for TUmor4 skrub
Just got mig 15 bis (nazi one) - and I'm already HATE this shit do death. Is it worth to upgrade that brick?
The kill belongs to the killer, i hate it when they say "ks"
Nope historically accurate no bias sekrit document no lie
Bias... Russian Bias 100% only downfall of the MiG-17 is its roll rate that is some Gaijin shit... Bias!!!
+Brandon Vo (Airsoft Sniper Badass) My poor poor hunter. It was the king of the skies for all of a month or so.
+john andrews Oh no now another plane gets to be the best.
+Kieran Mclean (BeatExpert) "Queue intsifies"
Or you just suck at the game and use Russian bias is because of your fucking incompetence. Shutup.
+Austin Mesnard I believe the only person that sucks at the game is you. If you have to use the Mig 17 to get kills, then that makes YOU bad.
The Russian planes are overly buffed. I mean, the WWII planes were wood and fabric, yet resist several 37mm cannon shots. In RB. Yet, the P-51, for example, takes only 2-3 of the Russian 30mm cannon shots. What is going on?!
watching this in 2017 when struggeling my balls off againsy mig17s with my stock hunter. Litterly cannot do anything against them once they are behind you
I'm seriously sorry but ive found myself outurning a mig 17 bis in my f2 sabre. fuck the stats, don't mean shit. its the fact that the mig 17 can pull more gs at higher speeds than the sabre.
yes
i would ratter you say. The Fm is not Perfected ratter then it op. and is this ur only acc? :O how the heck. did u get to level 100 with such little gameplayed..
Nice vid