@@nunoferreira1369 - Let's say that it qualifies as an incorrect address, but surely we should have a chance to talk with CTT instead of them sending the package immediately back to Denmark. We have a tracking code and everything.
I've lived on Netherlands (6 years), Scotland (1 year), England(1 year), France (3 months) and Germany (2 months) ...maybe its a "BIAS thinking" but Portugal wins to all in several aspects, the most important in life! Like: Food..from fresh-fish to salted-cod, veggies that grow without lots of chemicals...wines, several sorts and lots of culture about it... weather and beaches... hospitality has a quality-money-ratio better than 80-90% of Europe... we have also the islands, must see those pearls! Yes, some people (40-50%) are stupid, rude, ignorant or less-educated ...still, if you are smart you do avoid many problems, just don't insist when someone is rude, avoid them if you can... you still have the other 50% that are good and reliable people, most like in many cultures there are good and bad people, or greedy, or thieves... About safety: I do find that crime-rates are going up and the severeness of many crimes is going up...maybe like the rest of the World! What I saw in The Netherlands about 20 years ago, now its happening here. Portugal is a peaceful country but some culture that came from outside in is damaging and young-people are looking to be the "next Ronaldo" or a gangster-rapper. Its also happening thru Europe and World. There was a cultural-shock between generations. We were very closed and directed to the colonies, we were very poor. Few debt but no development. From the Revolution in the 70's (25th April)...then in the 80's the opening to Europe (E.U). and now the people that were babies and children on those days, now they are having more impact. About financing and jobs: you are right about here we do not input many limits to any foreigner, like many countries that are more rich than us. I did felt limited in the Netherlands since they opened the E.U. borders to Poland and others. If you can learn the language, better...if not, you can find jobs that do speak English in the technology, hospitality, medicine,etc... be a good professional and you will have all doors open. Many things to say but...each one has their own view and experience. What is good for me, hard or easy... that is just each one views. Must check this places: -Porto Côvo, in Costa Vicentina. Food and beach, wine and parties... a bit over-packed in high-season due to this sort of publicity! ...still, one of my favourites. -Odeceixe, in Costa Vicentina-Algarve. If you asked me wish is the most beautiful place in Portugal in a summer-day...or night...its Odeceixe. With a camping-park that has bungalows, near the river that flows to sea. Good people, they speak English. A hidden pearl! -Cabo de Sagres, in Algarve. Just for the view, maybe some pictures of one of the Algarve's most iconic places. -Tavira and Ilha de Tavira, in Algarve. Its a small village that over-packs in high-season. Much better in a nice calm day, with time. Lots of restaurants by the sea. Check also the country-side. If you look and like alternative-medicine and relax, visit Monte Mariposa near Tavira. You can book a room just for sleep, can book a experience/session/event in Alternative and Holistic Medicines. -Barragem do Alqueva, in Alentejo. Its a damn, the biggest in Europe or one of the biggest. Some water-sports, camping, etc... This region has several Local Tourism Posts and Accommodation that give information about cultural events, local history, etc... -Natural Park "Peneda Gerês", in the North, near Spain. A bit destroyed by fires, still amazing with many special spots like lagoons and water-springs. ...and much more :) So, welcome to Portugal :)
The English have the following saying. When in Rome do what the Romans do. Basically go with the flow of the local culture. 1. Use the same address as used on your Electric/ Water bills. Works fine for me, and I live in the back of beyond. 2. If you live in a built up area with lack of parking anywhere getting stuff delivered is a problem. 3. In every Portuguese driver is a formula 1 racing driver trying to get out. 4. Most people in Western Europe suffer from stress on a today, today basis , and a large percentage of mental illness. Due to Portuguese attitude to life, Portugal has one of the lowest mental illness rates in Europe. When in Portugal do as the Portuguese do, and you will be fine.
Hey, Portuguese native here. Just to say your comment was fkng awesome and on the dot. Thank you. Although I have to say, I totally agree with the cons mentioned in the video and they still piss me off regardless of dealing with it for decades. But I guess I have a slightly different mentally than most Portuguese folk.
"go with the flow of the local culture." But it's that attitude is what's killing the country. The world is moving on and Portugal is dying! And as Anton Kreil says: "People don't understand that in the global company, if you're not competitive, you die!" th-cam.com/video/kDJ09pO8s0k/w-d-xo.html I understand that Portugal has some foreign investment, and all at the tragic cost to the locals. However, IMO, Portugal is fast the ghetto of Europe. The public services are diabolical, there's little to nothing the government is doing … expect to sell to foreign investors … no doubt for kickbacks somewhere along the line. There's only so much fish, custard tarts and a nice coastline can do. Bad services will drive any person with real money away … to the likes of Dubai, Singapore or worse still, the U.S. What does Portugal have?
I was thinking about moving to Portugal from Germany because I hate hot and cold temperatures. Does it get that hot in for example Porto too? I was hoping for an average 25°C in summer. I mean its okay if there are days with 30-35°C but they should not be that common and 40°C+ would just kill me.
I lived in Belgium and now Portugal and I find the burocracy in Portugal easier. Public workers are more flexible, they make exceptions, they are more comprehensible
Nobody likes to deal with bureaucracy But bureaucracy helps prevent corruption, leaks, and protect us citizens. Sucks because it takes longer but it is there for a reason
Burocracy everywhere is the same a mess, what happened is you are costumed with Denmark orhers with own country etc but everywhere is the same a big shit
So you wanted a beautiful place, nice weather, afordable cost of living and on top... No burocracy and competent postal service?!?!?! That would be a place called HEAVEN and we will go there only after we die 😂🤣😂🤣
Some of us, if you believe in those things. I don't believe in Heaven or Hell but if I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Hell because if I wasn't already dead, I'd die from boredom in Heaven. :p
@@Module79L I heard if you go to Hell you'll be tortured by portuguese incompetent clerks and you will get nothing done, you WILL suffer for all eternity 😂🤣😂
My dears, paradise doesn´t exist! The good is good because the "bad" exists! Can you imagine a country like Portugal with all the good stuff it has like nature, food, weather and so on, with the organization of the nordics? Ahah......you would have to pay much more than a lousy euro for a beer!
Boa tarde! I’m living in Évora, since two years I’m in Portugal and this country is like fairytale. Cheese,wine,bread,café,milk,butter,desserts,almond liquor,natural beauties,historical places,ocean,sea food,people,culture...etc. All is great.Im thankful to live in this peaceful country ♥️🇵🇹 I hope u and your partner will stay more in Lisbon 😍
Ana Martins Olá Ana, no I don’t need more money to live like a fairytale. For example from Évora to Lisboa bus ticket for students 10€ and you can visit many places free. Me, as a student I’m trying to visit as much as possible. I’m really lucky to live in these peaceful country and I know lots of People especially in big cities having struggles bc of rent prices, transportation...etc. Anyway, thank u for ur comment :) Have a nice day
Ana Martins Yes it’s true minimum salary for workers is not enough... But i hope a few years later things will change. I speak but not fluently. Still learning new words to express myself
Well, you are taking the worst example which is Lisbon. Beautiful city but not an example of the rest of the country, especially when you were talking about post office, car dents, price increase of daily stuff, etc. People in Lisbon are more impersonal and don't care that much about other people.
@@goncaloaguiar Eu vivo à frente de um parque de estacionamento em lx, td o q seja estacionamento em paralelo em lx o tuga estaciona a bater à frente e a trás para meter o carro à medida, ja vi pessoal com sensores traseiros/dianteiros a estacionar aos beijinhos com outros carros, é ridiculo, n há mesmo respeito pelos carros dos outros em lisboa.
As for the dents on the car, you just have a "a hole" parked on your side because I have no dents on mine and it's parked outside for almost 4 years. To deal with the portuguese bureaucracy you just need 2 things to be polite and have a humble and pleasant smile, portuguese people will go all out of their way to help someone that they "like" even if they don't know you. Well you can occasionally find some bad people that don't care. Next time try to smile and tell them first thing that you don't know anything and really need their help
I would advice to start with a smile but when they don't do nothing about it, then get angry and demand them to act, and don't accept a "No", or "maybe next friday" as an answer.
The problem is, there's a lot of "a hole"s around with no respect for others property. And this means parking to close for no reason, blocking your car, or opening doors with no care causing dents. That dents can easily happen on a public car park or shopping car park. Unless you are picky where you park, and this means you have to be constantly worrying where to leave the car.
I wish the western people would understand this. People can be so mean and treat you like shit (as a customer service representative) and yet these customers expect you to treat them like a Queen.
"Don't want to come across as negative people..." Do it. If you want to inform people, it comes with negative impressions as well. I am portuguese and always show and tell first foreigners about what unpleasant experiences they are likely to have here. This way they are prepared and will come less as a shock. I do have to say about how long things take to get done around here...the main reason is not a cultural thing of laziness. While it's true that portuguese do privilege a more relaxing lifestyle than other european countries, they are simply not enough job incentives for you to give your hardest. Productivity is low if you feel that your employer pays too little, have crap workplace conditions and zero care about your well being. So things are expected to take its time mainly due to that, which is not a nag at you, but I often find out that people that come from richest countries have little understanding of. Somehow believing the stereotype that people are lazy is a good enough reason.
trailoffiends I just wrote o paper on the Portuguese economy and referenced this exactly. Wages have stayed flat in Portugal while rich people have gotten richer. This generates unproductive workforce that is unmotivated since there is no real reward for hardwork. Career advancements were frozen for years and we are only now getting on our feet. Hopefully we continue to invest in technology and fight corruption and nepotism.
@Future Senator Karl Pilkington Mr Future Senator. The fact that say I don't live in Lisbon doesn't mean I don't live in Portugal. I'm talking about their video. It's about Lisbon and not Portugal. Now I don't know where you are from, but maybe you are from a big city like UK? Or maybe a bigger city like China?
Hi Iolanda, I am British and live in New Jersey 20 minutes to New York City.I have had quite good service with the USPS.Where are you based in America? 😊
Arghhh, I lived in the US for 42 years, USPS is a dream compared to our CTT service! What a nightmare... Actually, any service provider in Portugal just sucks, big time!! All is set up to be difficult, otherwise, is just not Portuguese enough!
@@Alfablue227 Hi Maria, sorry to hear about your mail service experiences in Portugal!😱Sounds a bit similar to my experiences with the Italian postal service in Italy, my second home!
CTT is our most effective weapon of dissuasion of foreigners. If it wasn't for them Portugal would be cramped of all the other European nations citizens, and going to praia da Ursa would be like taking the subway during rush hour! But, just in case it's not enough we add up a bit more of bureaucracy, very inefficient state services(and even private ones) and low wages. After all , if you have a jewel, you've got to do something to protect it. Thank you CTT ! :)
Gotta disagree with you on the post services issue. You live in a big city. There's no way the mailman can know everybody, or do anything else other than send the package back if the address is wrong. That's just the way it is...
have had experience of Portuguese postal service, keeping things for ages in customs when all is very clearly written down, closing the shops when they should be open, compared to many countries it really is bad
@@hypnotechno If it's stuff that you're gonna have to pay import taxes on, you should always use a courier service like FedEx or UPS. You pay a premium for that, but they handle everything for you, and trust me, it's well worth it! For cheap stuff, regular mail is just fine. I buy cheap crap from China all the time and never had any issues with customs/CTT. I also never seen a shop closed when it should be open. Not saying it never happened, but it's not a thing. Definitely not a thing! If the address is wrong you can't expect the package to be delivered... and when it doesn't get delivered, don't blame it on the postal services, blame the sender who misspelled the address. If you're in a rural area where you've probably lived your whole life and where the mailman has been the same guy for many years it will most likely still get delivered... in a city like Lisbon? No chance! And for good reason. I've had good and bad experiences pretty much everywhere. No service is perfect. That said, overall, I think the postal services work fairly well... and no, I don't work at CTT and don't even know anyone who ever worked there on personal level. I'm just talking from my 30+ years of experience with them.
If there's a service that pretty bad is telecommunications. We have fast internet but customer service from MEO/NOS/VODAFONE is horrible!!! Pretty much everyone will attest to that.
Anna, dont you think it’s outrageous to have a system that doesn’t hold the package at the nearest post office for a period of time instead of immediately returning to sender? I have a tracking code and could easily document that the package was for me.
@@joenandamalie That's what happens when they attempt a delivery and there's no one at home. They leave a note telling you the item was taken to post office X (your area) and that you have Y amount of time (a couple of weeks? not sure) to go pick it up, before they send it back. If it can't be delivered because the address on the package does not exist (sent to apartment 2C... and there's no 2C! or to the 5th floor when there's only 4 floors...) what's the point of holding on to the item? I understand it sucks, but I don't think it's their fault.
As a Portuguese I really liked your video, I think it was the fairest assessment of the advantages and disadvantages of leaving in Portugal I've seen. The things you complain about are the things we also complain about every day: the maddening bureaucracy, the lack of civility of the drivers, the bad paying jobs, the lack of a good working culture... all of that can be really challenging for a foreigner, especially when you are coming from a more developed country such as Denmark. The good things are what you mentioned: the weather, the people, the food and wine, the amazing landscapes, the festivals... I really hope for you the pros keep outhweighting the cons. You seem such a nice couple and your videos are awesome. Please, if you manage to deal with our flaws stay with us for a long time! And think of making a family here because we really need new people!
Portugal is not for all people...Portugal is a paradise if people know and wants to have a good and peacefull life...First you must to respect our laws and culture...Second, to learn portuguese language and our Glorious History...Thirth, be happy, buddies...
Portugal is good if you have money to spend. If you are rich( like these guys seem to be) then this country is paradise full of adventures to spend your time with. Now if you receive the minimum wage of 600euros like many do you just want to cummit suicide EDIT: Did I see a patek philipe nautilus at 8:05? lmao yyeah these guys are filthy rich...
i had to leave house and family and pets behind to be able to get my FIRST job opportunity out of uni, because no one would employ a 23 year old unexperienced girl. i had to move to a foreign country and endure xenophobic bullshit, learn german from scratch, work and study at the same time while making just enough to pay for all of my expenses. i want to go back so bad, but hearing that my friends make 1000€ brutto max, or minimum wage with fucking masters degrees, or have to work 10h/day , 6days/week with no vacation days, it really breaks my heart and makes me hang on a little longer. seeing these rich northern europeans taking our place is such a punch in the gut. i can't help but feel bitter.
You're completely right. I agree with all the problems presented in Portugal and I live here since my birth. And, because aparrently you have a nice financial stability, you don't face SEVERAL other problems that a lot of portuguese face. As to the worker's "flexibility", try to live a very moderate lifestyle with the same wage they do and you'll see that your flexibility will all be spent trying to survive until the end of the month. Prices in Portugal are going crazy, just compare the prices with other European countries versus the wages. It's a miracle that people get out of the bed everyday to work so they can pay their rent and electricity bills.
Have you considered the possibilty that by having lived in only 1 country could make you lack the sense of comparison with other countries? I lived in 5 different countries, and visited other 13 ones, in 4 different continents. From my experience, many of Portugal's problems look much smaller or insignificant, compared to supposedly "developed" countries' problems, like Germany, Denmark, Belgium, France, Sweden, or the Netherlands.
They are Danish, they do plenty of money and for sure they are not even working in Portugal, so the part they call living, is mostly touristing, having holidays, exploring the city, doing what most locals dont do on a daily basis... It is easy to take advance of lower income countries to spend some holidays... It is what they call cheap heaven. Try to do the same in Denmark while working in a minimal wage and then you'll get the picture, it won't be that different. Portugal it is an expensive country for people in Portugal, the cost of living increased with the euro and keeps increasing...
@@soeusei26 well, it wont be cheap on minimum wage anywhere true, but some people in some countries as a couple will be able to save a lot more (+1000 euros... ) For example, if 2 persons work in Denmark for the minimal wage, 1 salary will pay the rent+charges+food and the other salary will be completely saved, now compare 2 persons working in portugal, winning 600 euros each, rent around 400-700 euros+charges+groceries+diesel+insurance... You get the point. If you live as a couple in denmark, sweden, uk, france, germany, luxembourg, switzerland your life will be easier, you will be able to afford high end smartphones, computers, clothing, food, etc.. while in portugal you will probably get low end smartphone, old car, lowest quality services, cheap clothing, cheap groceries, no money for dentist, etc.. and on top of that, EURO coin created some kind of pricing standards all around europe for certain goods. I pay for some goods in Portugal the same I would pay in Germany... so if Germans earn more $, this means they can can save some $ in groceries, diesel and usually better health services. Btw, I was born in PT but I dont live there anymore... :) best decision ever, I go there in Holiday like most tourists do, I just feel sorry for all those Portugueses there.
The fact of a place isn't cheap for one making a minimum wage is not exclusivity of Portugal. If you make a minumum wage you would be in trouble in ANY part of the world.
@@ganbly I fully agree. I also want to add that I hate these good advertisings about Portugal, cause this will attract even more people to take advantage of it. As if it was not enough the big load of rich Chinese and Brazilian people taking advantage of Golden Visa, purchasing many properties in Portugal, and creating huge housing issues in the country.
Tiny dents and scuffs on cars are self explanatory; Let's say "You've parked in front of someone's house" or "too close to the car in front of you""; yeah, people will 'key-your-car' or slam the door onto yours''. Unfortunately, this happens worldwide.. (I don't park parallel to cars that have 'Baby On Board" signs or children's car seats; Scuffs Guaranteed) But if you think this is happening or has happened in your own private car-park; then I suggest you speak to your building's manager because to anyone in the world; "This is unacceptable !" Tip;, take pictures regularly of your car's exterior, in case you need proof that those dents weren't there 'the night before' - you know the drill. And for the Postal Services in Portugal; The address was wrong !!, How do expect them to give info if they cannot get to you?. I think they were actually really good sending it back so promptly to its sender so they could rectify the address and send it back to your correct address.
So true, since I went out of Portugal I can see it so clear the pros & cons. I believe in many cases people does not care about their jobs because they have the feeling that employer does not give a shit about them(salary mostly) I know is not professional but for me the biggest motivation to be a good professional is being "rewarded" with a good salary. one thing you did not mentioned almost nobody arrives on time to commitments, that is crazy 😅 I was like that before 😅 cheers
Nope, completely disagree. When I started working I already knew I was going to compete with people who already had their job there more secured than me. Basically I became competitive with them myself. I started as a part-time, then became full-time. Started with contract, then became fully employed. Started earning very little, now I earn a lot more and I've earned a few prizes for best employee. Been there for 20 years now and I seriously doubt any boss in the world has interest in sending good employees away. I'm a manager now. I've always arrived some 5 minutes early and worked some extra time everyday before leaving, my rythm/pace was more accelerated than others, I was always available to work on my days off, I never complained about heavier work, I always tried to learn new tasks and did them better than others (not my words), I hardly ever talked with coleagues while working and when I did it was about the work itself. I know I seem arrogant but I'm not lying. Can you imagine anyone in their late teens, early twenties doing the same thing today, or even back then? And have you seen how young employees work today? They're ridiculous, lazy, pathetic, idiotic and unisterested. It's like they were born sleepy and unwilling to work BEFORE being rewarded.
@@danielt.8573 Your life story is pretty and all, but doesn't deny the fact that people do have little job incentives. The whole aspect of some people getting a secured place in the company doesn't somehow wash off the reality for the majority of the population.
@@trailoffiends For me, my motivation was being the second son of a poor family of 6 wich is why I doubled and tripled my effords just so I could have more money for a better life. I wore second hand clothing as a kid, had no computer or consoles, had very little toys and my only life "extravagance" was affording school books so fuck your dismissive comment. There was a time I worked 4 hours for very little money and that only made me work "pretty harder and all". That's when I started to be given opportunities and I took them. Alright then. What do you consider to be the right incentives to work since having money in your pocket for a house, car, independence, everything else, apparently isn't enough for you/anyone to sweat a little? Again, shouldn't you work first and then expect to be rewarded later accordingly? Isn't that the way it's always been? And don't you see a clear difference in mentality between older generations and the younger ones? The more you're used to have with no efford, the least efford you make to have it.
@@danielt.8573 You're speaking of your personal experience and assuming that somehow other people need to work as hard as you do and stop complaining. You also didn't adress how is the job market in Portugal or worker rights. I also started in a poor family of 8 sharing a house with 2 bedrooms, only felt on my skin what is it to have hot pressurized water by the age of 10. I don't assume if other people had a tougher life than me, what matters is to make a comparison basis to other countries and check that low productivity is based on shit incentives. Some people work hard with no rewards down the road. Some people do not comitt the effort to work hard when the contract is precarious and there are red flags about the employer. It's that simple, don't project your life unto others and think it will work just as fine.
@@trailoffiends First of all, this is a video about Portugal. Second of all, my answer was originally to David Guerra. And third, you didn't answer my simple questions either. Do you really need extra incentives and rights to work other than wage? Should you NOT work if you don't have such extras and just give up? What do you want? If you're not aware of how poorly trained youngsters come out of school (mentally and even physically) to the job market, and if you're not aware that most of today's parents treat their kids as friends who shouldn't suffer disappointment in life, there's really no way for you to know the reality of the country. Ask anyone in charge of anything inside any companies here (and even a few other countries in Europe it seems). If the topic of conversation is about new employees, the opinion is absolutely unanimous because they all see it as well. One of our clients in France complained about the same and another in Spain lightly mentioned it as well. You don't have to take it from me or the " projection of my life unto others ", just ask anyone else I've mentioned (managers, bosses...) and they might even tell you their stories so you can see the pattern. The point of my personal example was to illustrate the difference in behaviour and attitude regarding work and also opportunity because it does happen sooner of later. And it didn't work fine for me since it took me 23 years to be where I am. Some people make it as early as 8 elsewhere in my company and totally deserve it.
O salario minimo atual de 600€ em 2019 euivale a 700€ para efeitos de comparacao porque inclui os subsidios de ferias e natal. E a media mensal. Outros paises nao tem subsidios.
@@cesardinismarques9391 Mais ou menos, por coincidência eu sou um Português a viver na Dinamarca e aqui ao final de um ano, os empregadores pagam 12% do dinheiro ganho no ano anterior como uma espécie de subsídio de Férias, todos o fazem. Dói ver que as taxas que pago cá são quase iguais às que pagaria em Portugal, sendo que aqui a educação é grátis, a saúde também e tudo em geral funciona bem, so falta é sol. Espero que Portugal se endireite nos próximos anos!
I recently moved from NY to Portugal. For me the big con is that there is a lot of smoking. The pros are the weather, the safety, the variety of things to do. A complain is that it's very difficult to stay consistent with my diet! I'm a personal trainer, and I agree that it's hard to leave the house without having a glass of wine!
@@ritabrito5040 É bom, vais beber agua da fonte Polaca e de outros Países e dás logo valor a agua Portuguesa. Queres variar faz uma limonada ou um milkshake de morangito :P
Smoking in Portugal is disgusting. I also moved from Spain to Portugal and I'm still not use to the smoke indoors. In Spain is not allowed to smoke indoors.
hi guys i just saw your video, and first of all sorry for my english.. but i have to tell you something.. you are tottally right when u talk about burocracy... but not so right when u say tell only can do one task. Portuguese people try to help you any way we can all the time, and try for many diferent ways...
I’m sorry I missed your Instagram post... I’ve been super busy. I definitely would have shared. 😉 Everything is relative, isn’t it... just like Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder. I had my own interaction with CTT and so with that one experience I’d agree with you... but, I like to think that I can deal with it. As long as I know what to expect, then I’ll be prepared to wait and know I might get frustrated. I loved driving in Portugal and I didn’t even mind driving in Lisboa. I worked more about not understanding all the signs (since most are not used in Canada). The primary highways are great, and so are the smaller ones without tolls. I’m an explorer and was in the car often and I usually used the roads that started with ‘N’ or IP. As you know, my experience with the language, up in Atouguia, was quite different. Most people on the stores or cafes didn’t speak English so I got to practice a lot! It’s going to be a lot of work to get my conversational Portuguese up to par, but I will plug away at it. The weather is a huge positive coming from here where the snow is finally starting to melt away. I think if you are kind, thoughtful and patient most of the time you will get along fine. Oh, and I will be buying a little used hatch-back, so I bet it won’t catch as many scratches and dings. That is just Murphy’s Law. Thanks for the video. I’m always thrilled to get a notification! Obrigada ~ Muitos beijinhos
this annoys me so much!! i mean it isnt their fault, i for sure would do the same in their conditions, I was born and raised in Portugal so i love my country but to live a life where I work 9h a day serving and smiling for the tourists to seize and enjoy Portugal is very sad that foreighn people can happier in Portugal rather the portugueses themselves
This video is ridiculuous. Portugal is not about expensive and luxury places. You are loosing all the portuguese essence. And how long have you been leaving in Portugal to make that video?!
I was quite upset with the girl from Instagram that said the cons of Portugal are "old school, traditional, stupid mentalities". Portugal owns a very large percentage of its tourists to the fact that the country is "old school", it's the feeling of freedom and safety that comes with the "old school" that attracts tourism as well as the "traditional" part. If it wasn't for the traditional portuguese food or even the traditional education Portuguese people get while growing the country wouldn't gain the attention it has. Finally, and what got me the most was the "stupid mentalities" part, it doesn't matter if you're a local or just visiting, saying something like that isn't very kind. Especially to people who try their best to make you feel welcome. Old portuguese people (and even some teens) may have a closed mind but overall portuguese people shouldn't have to deal with people telling them their mentalities are "stupid". Because if it was to be like that locals wouldn't give a shit about tourists and they for sure wouldn't try to help as best as they can. Portuguese people are probably one of the kindest natives you'll find around the world so please, have a little respect. One thing is saying people are close minded, other is calling them stupid.
I hope not to come as rude as it may sound but yeah, I "hate" this mindset of foreigners and their expectations, is really tiring when you come to another country cuz you want to have a cheap blast and yet making a meh blah blah about the portuguese, I mean... it's disrespectful. There's there a slight sense of superiority thats rude. Anyway, 7 months are really not that long, not a bit, and again, a part of me knows that Im in defense mode over here lol a little, so I'll forgive it xD kidding ahah but yeah, 7months is nothing, there are erasmus that are longer and you just get a tip of the reality, a little, a very small piece of experience. So yap, you're still living with a foreigner/ turistic point a view which is pretty much not accurate enough, far from it. PS. Our burocracy is not something we're proud of, we also hate it, still, sending back a letter for not having a "C", or wtv, it's a pain in the ass, yup, but cannot be called as bad burocracy, you should write all the information correctly, if not you're the one at fault, obviouslyy. From all the worst examples of bad burocracy that exist, you guys picked one that's not that big of a deal.
I'm from Lisbon!! Let me know if you need a guide, I'll show you around :P And no, the prices are high in the big cities like Lisbon, Porto, Algarve... If you go to smaller cities (I'm from Vila Franca de Xira) its very cheap.
The issue with the address, missing a letter from the address is enterely your relatives fault, because that letter C is essential for determining wich house that package is for. The situation with the car is terrible, if you always park your car in the same place, you that it is your neighbor is doing that damage to your car, complain to your insurance company.
Because the postal delivery guy couldn't just ring up one of the neighbours and ask? Would take all of 1 minute or less. Instead, they have to wait weeks to get their mail again.
@@WhatEver-xn5sn that would not be acceptable FOR ANYONE... image he was not a person of trust... or your package would be delivered to someone else.... it is SAFER to send it to return to sender.
As always a very snappy and interesting video with a good sense of humour. (Still funny to see Braveheart from time to time! 😁) The cons (bureaucracy and BMW-sadomasochism) are real cons. But your drone footage of Portugal brings everything into perspective. That’s the beauty of life.
My friends you forgot the most fundamental con in Portugal: Every freaking year our entire country burns... Literally. Everyone in my family lost something in the fires of 2017, more than thousands lost their homes. Stay frosty. Live the fancy life in the city, if you want rural living, you'll get burned, that's the way it is sadly.
Regarding the 1st cons you mentioned, I think you are just really unlucky. I've lived here all my life (50+ years) and never had a dent in my car made by others (and I've had lots of cars), all my packages arrive correctly (even with wrong addresses), never had someone who "couldn't care less" about his job in some public service, never had an issue with insurance like you had, etc. And when I say never, I literally mean never.
@@STICKlaPISSSE não sou sortudo, sou normal. A maioria das pessoas à minha volta não se queixa de nada do que foi falado no vídeo. Claro que pode ajudar o facto de eu viver numa cidade pequena, onde os serviços funcionam melhor e as pessoas são mais profissionais, respeitadoras e simpáticas do que numa cidade como Lisboa.
Arthur, I wonder if it also depends on what part of Portugal you live in... whether it’s a small town or the big city. If you live in a place that everyone knows who you are, then the people delivering the packages 📦 might be able to discern that “the address isn’t exactly right, but I know where that family lives.” In the bigger, busier cities it might be much harder, especially if the apt # is missing. That being said, Amalie did say they had a tracking number no there was likely a phone number too. 🤷🏻♀️
@@JenShea Yes, I'm really convinced it depends on where you live. But it's not about people knowing who you are, it's about people being willing to walk the extra mile and to think, instead of blindly following the rules. That postman was probably just strictly following rules, he didn't pause to think because he just doesn't care, the big city made him numb.
Hey, Sorry to say but it is cheap to live here if you come with the salary from Denmark for example, but the salary in Portugal does not make our living cheap at all, for example in Lisbon you don't usually find places to live that costs less than 750€(talking only about the appartment) and the minimum wage in here is 600€ and usually what the majority of us receive is like 600€ clean what makes it completly impossible to make a life alone. You need to be with someone and even like that the dificulties are huge for the couple or friends.. So I'm sorry but that is not a "pro" for the Portuguese people. You go eat at a restaurant one day and you're screwed for the rest of the month doing some magic to survive(even if you don't go out you need to do some magic to survive). Cheers wish you both the best. ;)
You are absolutely right about driving and cars - agree with you. But i disagree about bureaucracy. Maybe we are lucky enough but we didn't face with any issues with principals at all during 2 years we living here. Nice video as usual!
Actually most of the problems that you said here are problems about Lisbon, especially the problems about cars. In any other city than Porto or Lisbon there are not that kind of problems. You can enjoy driving and you'll not have problems about dented car. And about the mechanic, you were just unlucky 'cause i never had problems with delays! Hope you keep enjoying the country! 😉
actually you are so right and i would add the also the problems with MAIL would be avoided in smaller cities where the mail guy tries harder to find the street and delivers maila t my place with al sorts of wrong numbers and letters, since he knows my surname and that i live there (btw, i do not live on a village, i live on an average sized town)
You guys come from Denmark a very organized country, ppl coming from Brazil say this is heaven in terms of bureaucracy...and i guess you are being unlucky, maybe that is your challenge, there is a lot of happiness for you here guys!..
Belarmin yes the same SEF that is a hell for them and let uncontrolled numbers of Brazilians and others to come in and even get citizenship very easily. Crooked laws the chuchas have been passing about this matter and no one protests. We are too passive and soft sometimes.
Portugal is for old people...its a nation that lacks jobs, opportunities and yeah...its not that well organized as many claim (fantasy, la la land). You need more than just weather, nature and historical sights..the cost are "low" but it lacks jobs...high paying jobs...jobs jobs jobs
You are right about that fact that people need to get paid more. But compared to the job opportunities teen years ago Portuguese is getting there. Give it it more time 🇵🇹🙌
Pergunta a quem te atendeu nos CTT quanto ganha por mês e quantas horas trabalha. Depois partilha aqui, por favor, se realmente ela é relaxada ou se tem de ser, positiva, tendo em conta esses fatores. Muito faz ela :) Disclaimer: I’ve worked in Denmark for 3 months so I know both realities and you just can’t compare 2 totally different countries All the best
Well my friends ..you are right in some things...the driving in Portugal as in all southern Europe,particulary Italy,is terrible, some situations require too much burocracy...but now(I guess inDenmark...people to get divorced have to attend a sort of course..) but what happened to your car happens everywhere in the world...and CTT a private institution doesn't work very well but in your case if the address wasn't correct,....what could youexpect? back to the origin..in this case Denmark...If it had happened in Denmark what would they do? walk all along the street to find you or ring all the door bells in the building to see whichone is yours??? don't think so.
I think you meant tap water so I'm going to reply based on that. Tap water in Portugal is safe for consume (I'm portuguese and I know many people who drink water from that source).
Bureaucracy in Portugal is actually kinda good compared to my experience in France. I think this mostly points out how horrible administrative stuff is in France though :'D
I am a bit disappointed with this video because the reasons are very fútil. Fourthermore without local food and popular activities you do not really know the country. BTW Normally if you send the phone within the package they will call you if the address is wrong. PS.: I am sure you can do much better next time!!!
@@joenandamalie One example: One of the main CONS is that you have a garage neighbor giving a little touch to your car...really? Get over it! I am a car lover and sympathetic about it, but please...PS: I always will be a suportive fan of your Vlog!
Guys, pros: Portugal, cons: Lisbon. Yes, public services are a nightmare. Grosseries and energy are very expensive for our wages. But we work hard and sometimes flexibility or timings go down the sewer due to overwork. Enjoy!
don t agree about your opinion that de prices "gona go up in 10 hears". Maby in the center of lisbon o or some turistic places this cood hapen, but just a litle. All of the places that sell to the inside market can t do this, because no one will by it. Take car!
I fully agree with cons, specially the car dents and crazy drivers, it's extremely annoying. As for the pros, Portugal is amazing for all those reasons. Pros easily overcome the cons, at least for me....
All the cons you mentioned: you get them if you live in Lisbon (haters, come at me) As for what you said at 11:30, well, that's actually the same prejudiced idea we have of northern countries (and here I'm including Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Finland and Norway), so... wuuuut???? The rest, well, those are just facts. Spot on, guys! "If they are more relaxed they get brown underwear" - classic "(drinks, alcohol) is so cheap that it's hard to stay disciplined" - do you get us now? ;)
It’s your own mistake to heave the wrong address in the package, but some how CTT seems to get the blame of it? I can’t understand! Really. How could the post office contact you if they don’t know were do you live? Because YOU sent your own address wrong! For instance if you send a e-mail with the wrong e-mail address does the receiver get the e-mail? Don’t get me wrong, I hate CTT, they make me crazy, if I want to send or receive something important in or out Portugal I use DHL, but you can’t blame them for your own mistakes... Side note: by the way do you follow host country rules? Did / do you got / get the required authentication for all your drone footage? Have a nice stay in our beloved country, we welcome you. Best regards.
Hi guys, first of all, burocracy... Yes, some services are really bad and slow, the trick is pressure and don't be nice and understanding to them, or else you always will be the last one to be served. I live in Ireland and it's funny how things are relative, here I miss the Portuguese services (so imagine how bad these ones are). About the flights, any flight in Europe depends on competition. Check how many companies do the route you want and if the intention is low price check the same route but through London (any airport). I'm guessing you will find that through London the flight becomes super cheap.
Well I guess when you move elsewhere we all have this tendency to compare with what we are used to. When it comes out of our comfort zone it's easier to point fingers. I'm not criticizing in anyway. It's nice to get to know a different perspective that from the one we take as granted. I'm portuguese and I've been living mainly all my life in Portugal. I've spent 20 years in Porto and now in Lisboa for 20 years. I mean there's some differences but not that many. The burocracy overall in Portugal is something that really drives me crazy but we it has come long ways. Believe me in the 1980 and 1990's it was much worst. As for what you said that in general Portuguese people have some difficulties to get out of the comfort zone and go around the problems to solve them I don't agree with you that much. In fact there's a word in portuguese - "desenrascar" that it just fits like a glove there. As a latin southern culture we tend to leave mainly everything for last minute. And that's when "desenrascanso" comes along and saves the day. And different solutions for the same problem are presented and resolved ;) As a general balance if I were not living here already I would think seriously on moving here. But hey keep it a secret otherwise all the good things of living in Portugal will be gone in no time. Enjoy the weather, the wine and the food. And ok the people too. Of course we have assholes (a lot of them) like any where else but that's life. By the way I love Copenhagen and the people there Cheers
Just a note, the video isn't about Portugal, it's only about Lisbon (and very accurate). Because Lisbon is the capital. If you live in a different city you won't have these problems.
@@joenandamalie My point is: Pretty much as you guys I live abroad, and obviously every country I'm in it's always so hard to take care of anything , including bureaucracy. The reason why I'm saying this is because I'm living outside of Portugal for the last 5 years and yes after all this experience I believe that Portugal is way ahead of most European countries. For you it will be always frustrating because in the end your not in your country, so things will always be a "tiny" bit harder than in Denmark. I have been told in different countries that Portugal does not belong to the European Union, so believe me the struggle there is minimal compared to a lot of countries in Europe, especially the Eastern Europe ones, which is where I'm located now.
Kristof Weckx i lived in London and i can tell you that all the costumer services are robots teached to do one thing only and pass to the other that knows!! I think this overview of cons is the same overall (worlwide).
Let me tell you something that could help you from now on. You are spot on in everything, But there is something you still don't realize. Portugal have a lot of burucracy? Servers never know how to agilize processes? Portuguese are lazy? It appears that all is true, But it isn't. Nowadays burucracy is easy and fast. And portuguese are really good at thinking outside the box. It's even our biggest achievement as a culture. Desenrascar is the thing we are best at. But portuguese are really really really lazy. Most of the time servers (public and private) don't help, make problems, and say "try go to (somewhere else) just to " pass the ball", someone else to do the work. And it really is nerve breaking. It's not magic, But it really helps: be nice, But if someone looks like they don't are doing the job they should do, don't be afraid of ask for the reclamation book. See how fast they solve your problem. But be sure what you want to write. Most of the complains is about the server being unpolite, and that isn't a valid complain. Be sure to write (or want to write, because most of the time they solve the problem and you don't need to write) something that really works bad. And if possible, in public services, try to speak with younger people. Old public servers are way to far gone in lazyness. They are completly useless.
My wife went into a bank to get two Euro 50 notes we got from an ATM outside exchanged for smaller bills because we get bad looks every time we take a 50 out (even 20's). It took her 35 minutes. They're were two customers in front of her. I waited outside and figured she's been kidnapped. Only cremation takes that long where I live.
I'm portuguese and I live nearby Lisbon and let me tell you guys, I couldn't agree more with you! I think we are so friendly as tourists say, because we see the value in them, we love the idea of having people coming from all over the world just to admire OUR little world, our country that sometimes almost feel like a small village! Hope you keep loving living here and believe me that there are so many things that you still have to find out! About the cons... oh God, it's true!! Specially the accidents and traffic ahahah!
10:35 true!! I'm from Portugal and I'm currently doing Erasmus (studying in other country) in Lódz, Poland, and there's so rare to find any polish people who talks in english... *thanks Google Translater for save me!*
I’m Portuguese and I understand so well everything you are saying. I still love my Portugal and even more after I move for Uk. Uk is good with me and I appreciate all that but in the end I cannot compared the life style from Portugal to mostly any country in Europe. The money in Portugal is ver bad for simply labour. Portugal is fantastic but definitely is not a paradise. To much bureaucracy everywhere.
What do you guys think? Biggest Pros and Cons of living in Portugal? Leave your comments below!
Hi guys, i agree with your complains except a little thing. About ctt they act well, mailman dont have to guess...
@@nunoferreira1369 - Let's say that it qualifies as an incorrect address, but surely we should have a chance to talk with CTT instead of them sending the package immediately back to Denmark. We have a tracking code and everything.
@@joenandamalie i understand, ctt could keep package let's say one week before sending back. That's fair
Pro: varieties of places to eat good food and good drink with nice views. Con: crazy drivers who think they are always in a race (Lisbon)
I've lived on Netherlands (6 years), Scotland (1 year), England(1 year), France (3 months) and Germany (2 months) ...maybe its a "BIAS thinking" but Portugal wins to all in several aspects, the most important in life!
Like:
Food..from fresh-fish to salted-cod, veggies that grow without lots of chemicals...wines, several sorts and lots of culture about it... weather and beaches... hospitality has a quality-money-ratio better than 80-90% of Europe... we have also the islands, must see those pearls!
Yes, some people (40-50%) are stupid, rude, ignorant or less-educated ...still, if you are smart you do avoid many problems, just don't insist when someone is rude, avoid them if you can... you still have the other 50% that are good and reliable people, most like in many cultures there are good and bad people, or greedy, or thieves...
About safety: I do find that crime-rates are going up and the severeness of many crimes is going up...maybe like the rest of the World!
What I saw in The Netherlands about 20 years ago, now its happening here. Portugal is a peaceful country but some culture that came from outside in is damaging and young-people are looking to be the "next Ronaldo" or a gangster-rapper. Its also happening thru Europe and World.
There was a cultural-shock between generations. We were very closed and directed to the colonies, we were very poor. Few debt but no development.
From the Revolution in the 70's (25th April)...then in the 80's the opening to Europe (E.U). and now the people that were babies and children on those days, now they are having more impact.
About financing and jobs:
you are right about here we do not input many limits to any foreigner, like many countries that are more rich than us. I did felt limited in the Netherlands since they opened the E.U. borders to Poland and others.
If you can learn the language, better...if not, you can find jobs that do speak English in the technology, hospitality, medicine,etc... be a good professional and you will have all doors open.
Many things to say but...each one has their own view and experience. What is good for me, hard or easy... that is just each one views.
Must check this places:
-Porto Côvo, in Costa Vicentina. Food and beach, wine and parties... a bit over-packed in high-season due to this sort of publicity! ...still, one of my favourites.
-Odeceixe, in Costa Vicentina-Algarve. If you asked me wish is the most beautiful place in Portugal in a summer-day...or night...its Odeceixe. With a camping-park that has bungalows, near the river that flows to sea. Good people, they speak English. A hidden pearl!
-Cabo de Sagres, in Algarve. Just for the view, maybe some pictures of one of the Algarve's most iconic places.
-Tavira and Ilha de Tavira, in Algarve. Its a small village that over-packs in high-season. Much better in a nice calm day, with time. Lots of restaurants by the sea. Check also the country-side. If you look and like alternative-medicine and relax, visit Monte Mariposa near Tavira. You can book a room just for sleep, can book a experience/session/event in Alternative and Holistic Medicines.
-Barragem do Alqueva, in Alentejo. Its a damn, the biggest in Europe or one of the biggest. Some water-sports, camping, etc... This region has several Local Tourism Posts and Accommodation that give information about cultural events, local history, etc...
-Natural Park "Peneda Gerês", in the North, near Spain. A bit destroyed by fires, still amazing with many special spots like lagoons and water-springs.
...and much more :)
So, welcome to Portugal :)
The English have the following saying. When in Rome do what the Romans do.
Basically go with the flow of the local culture.
1. Use the same address as used on your Electric/ Water bills. Works fine for me, and I live in the back of beyond.
2. If you live in a built up area with lack of parking anywhere getting stuff delivered is a problem.
3. In every Portuguese driver is a formula 1 racing driver trying to get out.
4. Most people in Western Europe suffer from stress on a today, today basis , and a large percentage of mental illness. Due to Portuguese attitude to life, Portugal has one of the lowest mental illness rates in Europe.
When in Portugal do as the Portuguese do, and you will be fine.
Hey, Portuguese native here. Just to say your comment was fkng awesome and on the dot. Thank you. Although I have to say, I totally agree with the cons mentioned in the video and they still piss me off regardless of dealing with it for decades. But I guess I have a slightly different mentally than most Portuguese folk.
"go with the flow of the local culture."
But it's that attitude is what's killing the country. The world is moving on and Portugal is dying! And as Anton Kreil says: "People don't understand that in the global company, if you're not competitive, you die!" th-cam.com/video/kDJ09pO8s0k/w-d-xo.html
I understand that Portugal has some foreign investment, and all at the tragic cost to the locals. However, IMO, Portugal is fast the ghetto of Europe. The public services are diabolical, there's little to nothing the government is doing … expect to sell to foreign investors … no doubt for kickbacks somewhere along the line.
There's only so much fish, custard tarts and a nice coastline can do. Bad services will drive any person with real money away … to the likes of Dubai, Singapore or worse still, the U.S. What does Portugal have?
I find it funny that the ENGLISH said when in ROME. 😂😂😂
Number 3 is also funny.
I agree!! As someone who is from the Caribbean it is the same situation but we are a happy people.
It is the overall quality of life
Not so hot? Last summer the temperatures reached 45°C, at least in my city 😂
Santarém so faltava grelhar chouriço no alcatrao xD
I was thinking about moving to Portugal from Germany because I hate hot and cold temperatures. Does it get that hot in for example Porto too? I was hoping for an average 25°C in summer.
I mean its okay if there are days with 30-35°C but they should not be that common and 40°C+ would just kill me.
@@joka4387 i live in Braga, far north than Porto, and every summer it can go high above 41°C
same, once my mom left her car for 20min in the sun and the temperature showed 52°c 💀
@@joka4387 Porto has an oceanic influence and therefore its never too cold or hot.
I lived in Belgium and now Portugal and I find the burocracy in Portugal easier. Public workers are more flexible, they make exceptions, they are more comprehensible
Come on, Belgian bureaucracy is a mess! XD Bad example :p
@@ingframin in my experience everybody says that burocracy in his country is a mess. Conclusion, burocracy is a mess
Nobody likes to deal with bureaucracy
But bureaucracy helps prevent corruption, leaks, and protect us citizens. Sucks because it takes longer but it is there for a reason
@@Apilif91 HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH GOOD FUCKING JOKE
Burocracy everywhere is the same a mess, what happened is you are costumed with Denmark orhers with own country etc but everywhere is the same a big shit
So you wanted a beautiful place, nice weather, afordable cost of living and on top... No burocracy and competent postal service?!?!?! That would be a place called HEAVEN and we will go there only after we die 😂🤣😂🤣
Some of us, if you believe in those things. I don't believe in Heaven or Hell but if I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Hell because if I wasn't already dead, I'd die from boredom in Heaven. :p
@@Module79L I heard if you go to Hell you'll be tortured by portuguese incompetent clerks and you will get nothing done, you WILL suffer for all eternity 😂🤣😂
@@silvia211171 - Well, in that case it'll be no different from the "hell" we endure during our lives. XD
@@Module79L in my opinion I do think Hell is now, the after life can only be better 😂😂😂
Silvia Castanheira ahahahahah boa
Cheap???? Not with portuguese medium salary !!!!
Eles estão da falar da sua experiência, não da do «português com salário médio».
They're talking to scandinavian/northern europe people
Y that's a bit annoying, many rich country people say that. For a Danish, 99% of the world is cheap
You want cheap? Go to Idaho, Iowa USA.
@@jinyjohnny Ever been to Demark? Life there is expensive af
When I lived in Germany, my packages would be sent back to Portugal over and over again because my middle name was not on the door.
The same in France. Para mim são uns chorões.😂
thanks for share this information!!!
My dears, paradise doesn´t exist! The good is good because the "bad" exists! Can you imagine a country like Portugal with all the good stuff it has like nature, food, weather and so on, with the organization of the nordics? Ahah......you would have to pay much more than a lousy euro for a beer!
Boa tarde! I’m living in Évora, since two years I’m in Portugal and this country is like fairytale. Cheese,wine,bread,café,milk,butter,desserts,almond liquor,natural beauties,historical places,ocean,sea food,people,culture...etc. All is great.Im thankful to live in this peaceful country ♥️🇵🇹 I hope u and your partner will stay more in Lisbon 😍
À cidade da minha Mãe. Os Alentejanos são as melhores pessoas do mundo.
I live here in Évora aswell, hope you are enjoying the city mate =)
Diogo Nico Hi, yes i really loved this city. Last year I lived in Guarda. But the both city has different place on my heart 🤗
Ana Martins Olá Ana, no I don’t need more money to live like a fairytale. For example from Évora to Lisboa bus ticket for students 10€ and you can visit many places free. Me, as a student I’m trying to visit as much as possible. I’m really lucky to live in these peaceful country and I know lots of People especially in big cities having struggles bc of rent prices, transportation...etc. Anyway, thank u for ur comment :) Have a nice day
Ana Martins Yes it’s true minimum salary for workers is not enough... But i hope a few years later things will change. I speak but not fluently. Still learning new words to express myself
Well, you are taking the worst example which is Lisbon. Beautiful city but not an example of the rest of the country, especially when you were talking about post office, car dents, price increase of daily stuff, etc. People in Lisbon are more impersonal and don't care that much about other people.
True
Gonçalo Aguiar regarding Lisbon is more true than not true 😂
@@goncaloaguiar the comparison is being made within the country, not outside the country
@@goncaloaguiar Assuming you also lived in other Portuguese cities?
@@goncaloaguiar Eu vivo à frente de um parque de estacionamento em lx, td o q seja estacionamento em paralelo em lx o tuga estaciona a bater à frente e a trás para meter o carro à medida, ja vi pessoal com sensores traseiros/dianteiros a estacionar aos beijinhos com outros carros, é ridiculo, n há mesmo respeito pelos carros dos outros em lisboa.
We have a very pragmatic attitude towards burocracy: stay away from it.
Haha, exactly! But sometimes you have to do it! :((
Brilliant 😂
As for the dents on the car, you just have a "a hole" parked on your side because I have no dents on mine and it's parked outside for almost 4 years.
To deal with the portuguese bureaucracy you just need 2 things to be polite and have a humble and pleasant smile, portuguese people will go all out of their way to help someone that they "like" even if they don't know you. Well you can occasionally find some bad people that don't care.
Next time try to smile and tell them first thing that you don't know anything and really need their help
I would advice to start with a smile but when they don't do nothing about it, then get angry and demand them to act, and don't accept a "No", or "maybe next friday" as an answer.
The problem is, there's a lot of "a hole"s around with no respect for others property. And this means parking to close for no reason, blocking your car, or opening doors with no care causing dents. That dents can easily happen on a public car park or shopping car park. Unless you are picky where you park, and this means you have to be constantly worrying where to leave the car.
Ask how their day is going and be polite. When we care I tend to think their mood improves and we get better costumer service indeed
I wish the western people would understand this. People can be so mean and treat you like shit (as a customer service representative) and yet these customers expect you to treat them like a Queen.
"Don't want to come across as negative people..."
Do it. If you want to inform people, it comes with negative impressions as well. I am portuguese and always show and tell first foreigners about what unpleasant experiences they are likely to have here. This way they are prepared and will come less as a shock.
I do have to say about how long things take to get done around here...the main reason is not a cultural thing of laziness. While it's true that portuguese do privilege a more relaxing lifestyle than other european countries, they are simply not enough job incentives for you to give your hardest. Productivity is low if you feel that your employer pays too little, have crap workplace conditions and zero care about your well being. So things are expected to take its time mainly due to that, which is not a nag at you, but I often find out that people that come from richest countries have little understanding of. Somehow believing the stereotype that people are lazy is a good enough reason.
trailoffiends I just wrote o paper on the Portuguese economy and referenced this exactly. Wages have stayed flat in Portugal while rich people have gotten richer. This generates unproductive workforce that is unmotivated since there is no real reward for hardwork. Career advancements were frozen for years and we are only now getting on our feet. Hopefully we continue to invest in technology and fight corruption and nepotism.
This video should be called " PROS and CONS of Living in Lisbon"...
@Future Senator Karl Pilkington no but is not the all country either. I guess that can be hard for you to understand...
@Future Senator Karl Pilkington Mr Future Senator. The fact that say I don't live in Lisbon doesn't mean I don't live in Portugal. I'm talking about their video. It's about Lisbon and not Portugal. Now I don't know where you are from, but maybe you are from a big city like UK? Or maybe a bigger city like China?
@Future Senator Karl Pilkington so according to your logic one city should define a country... sure ;) what ever makes you happy :)
@Future Senator Karl Pilkington you are just dumb mate
It’s true In the Algarve too mate 😂😂😂
I am a portuguese living in the USA. And i can tell you probably usps (united stated postal service) is even worse...
Hi Iolanda, I am British and live in New Jersey 20 minutes to New York City.I have had quite good service with the USPS.Where are you based in America? 😊
Arghhh, I lived in the US for 42 years, USPS is a dream compared to our CTT service! What a nightmare... Actually, any service provider in Portugal just sucks, big time!! All is set up to be difficult, otherwise, is just not Portuguese enough!
@@floydkennedy9599 I live in Los Angeles. Most specifically West Hollywood. I guess I might just have had a couple of bad experiences
Agreed! USPS is waaaaay worst than CTT
@@Alfablue227 Hi Maria, sorry to hear about your mail service experiences in Portugal!😱Sounds a bit similar to my experiences with the Italian postal service in Italy, my second home!
You need to visit Portugal’s Islands , Madeira is very beautiful to visit in summer
Dont drive in the middle lane if the right lane is cleard, that's why you got flashed by the police car at 6:45
They still think like tourists...
No, they're flashed because they were in a hurry .. Foi um não te metas que eu vou passar.
Drive in middle line cost you at least 300€
When someone drive fast, on left line they flash to alert you I go fast dont come to my front
I love that about Portugal! In Canada, people just drive in any random lane. Pain in the ass!
CTT is our most effective weapon of dissuasion of foreigners. If it wasn't for them Portugal would be cramped of all the other European nations citizens, and going to praia da Ursa would be like taking the subway during rush hour!
But, just in case it's not enough we add up a bit more of bureaucracy, very inefficient state services(and even private ones) and low wages.
After all , if you have a jewel, you've got to do something to protect it. Thank you CTT ! :)
And EDP... And fuel prices... And waiting times in hospitals... And MEO, NOS, Vodafone with their identical prices...
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Gotta disagree with you on the post services issue.
You live in a big city. There's no way the mailman can know everybody, or do anything else other than send the package back if the address is wrong. That's just the way it is...
have had experience of Portuguese postal service, keeping things for ages in customs when all is very clearly written down, closing the shops when they should be open, compared to many countries it really is bad
@@hypnotechno If it's stuff that you're gonna have to pay import taxes on, you should always use a courier service like FedEx or UPS. You pay a premium for that, but they handle everything for you, and trust me, it's well worth it! For cheap stuff, regular mail is just fine. I buy cheap crap from China all the time and never had any issues with customs/CTT. I also never seen a shop closed when it should be open. Not saying it never happened, but it's not a thing. Definitely not a thing!
If the address is wrong you can't expect the package to be delivered... and when it doesn't get delivered, don't blame it on the postal services, blame the sender who misspelled the address. If you're in a rural area where you've probably lived your whole life and where the mailman has been the same guy for many years it will most likely still get delivered... in a city like Lisbon? No chance! And for good reason.
I've had good and bad experiences pretty much everywhere. No service is perfect. That said, overall, I think the postal services work fairly well... and no, I don't work at CTT and don't even know anyone who ever worked there on personal level. I'm just talking from my 30+ years of experience with them.
If there's a service that pretty bad is telecommunications.
We have fast internet but customer service from MEO/NOS/VODAFONE is horrible!!! Pretty much everyone will attest to that.
Anna, dont you think it’s outrageous to have a system that doesn’t hold the package at the nearest post office for a period of time instead of immediately returning to sender? I have a tracking code and could easily document that the package was for me.
@@joenandamalie That's what happens when they attempt a delivery and there's no one at home. They leave a note telling you the item was taken to post office X (your area) and that you have Y amount of time (a couple of weeks? not sure) to go pick it up, before they send it back.
If it can't be delivered because the address on the package does not exist (sent to apartment 2C... and there's no 2C! or to the 5th floor when there's only 4 floors...) what's the point of holding on to the item? I understand it sucks, but I don't think it's their fault.
As a Portuguese I really liked your video, I think it was the fairest assessment of the advantages and disadvantages of leaving in Portugal I've seen. The things you complain about are the things we also complain about every day: the maddening bureaucracy, the lack of civility of the drivers, the bad paying jobs, the lack of a good working culture... all of that can be really challenging for a foreigner, especially when you are coming from a more developed country such as Denmark. The good things are what you mentioned: the weather, the people, the food and wine, the amazing landscapes, the festivals... I really hope for you the pros keep outhweighting the cons. You seem such a nice couple and your videos are awesome. Please, if you manage to deal with our flaws stay with us for a long time! And think of making a family here because we really need new people!
Portugal is not for all people...Portugal is a paradise if people know and wants to have a good and peacefull life...First you must to respect our laws and culture...Second, to learn portuguese language and our Glorious History...Thirth, be happy, buddies...
Portugal is good if you have money to spend.
If you are rich( like these guys seem to be) then this country is paradise full of adventures to spend your time with.
Now if you receive the minimum wage of 600euros like many do you just want to cummit suicide
EDIT: Did I see a patek philipe nautilus at 8:05?
lmao yyeah these guys are filthy rich...
i had to leave house and family and pets behind to be able to get my FIRST job opportunity out of uni, because no one would employ a 23 year old unexperienced girl. i had to move to a foreign country and endure xenophobic bullshit, learn german from scratch, work and study at the same time while making just enough to pay for all of my expenses. i want to go back so bad, but hearing that my friends make 1000€ brutto max, or minimum wage with fucking masters degrees, or have to work 10h/day , 6days/week with no vacation days, it really breaks my heart and makes me hang on a little longer.
seeing these rich northern europeans taking our place is such a punch in the gut. i can't help but feel bitter.
*nocturnallynumb* passo-me com este tipo de comentários !!! Portugueses só sabem mesmo meter abaixo este país !!!
You're completely right. I agree with all the problems presented in Portugal and I live here since my birth.
And, because aparrently you have a nice financial stability, you don't face SEVERAL other problems that a lot of portuguese face.
As to the worker's "flexibility", try to live a very moderate lifestyle with the same wage they do and you'll see that your flexibility will all be spent trying to survive until the end of the month.
Prices in Portugal are going crazy, just compare the prices with other European countries versus the wages. It's a miracle that people get out of the bed everyday to work so they can pay their rent and electricity bills.
Have you considered the possibilty that by having lived in only 1 country could make you lack the sense of comparison with other countries? I lived in 5 different countries, and visited other 13 ones, in 4 different continents. From my experience, many of Portugal's problems look much smaller or insignificant, compared to supposedly "developed" countries' problems, like Germany, Denmark, Belgium, France, Sweden, or the Netherlands.
It's not cheap for who is winning the minimum wage 😢
I feel you bud ;-;
They are Danish, they do plenty of money and for sure they are not even working in Portugal, so the part they call living, is mostly touristing, having holidays, exploring the city, doing what most locals dont do on a daily basis... It is easy to take advance of lower income countries to spend some holidays... It is what they call cheap heaven. Try to do the same in Denmark while working in a minimal wage and then you'll get the picture, it won't be that different. Portugal it is an expensive country for people in Portugal, the cost of living increased with the euro and keeps increasing...
@@soeusei26 well, it wont be cheap on minimum wage anywhere true, but some people in some countries as a couple will be able to save a lot more (+1000 euros... ) For example, if 2 persons work in Denmark for the minimal wage, 1 salary will pay the rent+charges+food and the other salary will be completely saved, now compare 2 persons working in portugal, winning 600 euros each, rent around 400-700 euros+charges+groceries+diesel+insurance... You get the point.
If you live as a couple in denmark, sweden, uk, france, germany, luxembourg, switzerland your life will be easier, you will be able to afford high end smartphones, computers, clothing, food, etc.. while in portugal you will probably get low end smartphone, old car, lowest quality services, cheap clothing, cheap groceries, no money for dentist, etc.. and on top of that, EURO coin created some kind of pricing standards all around europe for certain goods. I pay for some goods in Portugal the same I would pay in Germany... so if Germans earn more $, this means they can can save some $ in groceries, diesel and usually better health services. Btw, I was born in PT but I dont live there anymore... :) best decision ever, I go there in Holiday like most tourists do, I just feel sorry for all those Portugueses there.
The fact of a place isn't cheap for one making a minimum wage is not exclusivity of Portugal. If you make a minumum wage you would be in trouble in ANY part of the world.
@@ganbly I fully agree. I also want to add that I hate these good advertisings about Portugal, cause this will attract even more people to take advantage of it. As if it was not enough the big load of rich Chinese and Brazilian people taking advantage of Golden Visa, purchasing many properties in Portugal, and creating huge housing issues in the country.
Tiny dents and scuffs on cars are self explanatory; Let's say "You've parked in front of someone's house" or "too close to the car in front of you""; yeah, people will 'key-your-car' or slam the door onto yours''. Unfortunately, this happens worldwide.. (I don't park parallel to cars that have 'Baby On Board" signs or children's car seats; Scuffs Guaranteed)
But if you think this is happening or has happened in your own private car-park; then I suggest you speak to your building's manager because to anyone in the world; "This is unacceptable !" Tip;, take pictures regularly of your car's exterior, in case you need proof that those dents weren't there 'the night before' - you know the drill.
And for the Postal Services in Portugal; The address was wrong !!, How do expect them to give info if they cannot get to you?. I think they were actually really good sending it back so promptly to its sender so they could rectify the address and send it back to your correct address.
So true, since I went out of Portugal I can see it so clear the pros & cons. I believe in many cases people
does not care about their jobs because they have the feeling that employer does not give a shit about them(salary mostly) I know is not professional but for me the biggest motivation to be a good professional is being "rewarded" with a good salary. one thing you did not mentioned almost nobody arrives on time to commitments, that is crazy 😅 I was like that before 😅 cheers
Nope, completely disagree.
When I started working I already knew I was going to compete with people who already had their job there more secured than me. Basically I became competitive with them myself.
I started as a part-time, then became full-time. Started with contract, then became fully employed. Started earning very little, now I earn a lot more and I've earned a few prizes for best employee. Been there for 20 years now and I seriously doubt any boss in the world has interest in sending good employees away. I'm a manager now.
I've always arrived some 5 minutes early and worked some extra time everyday before leaving, my rythm/pace was more accelerated than others, I was always available to work on my days off, I never complained about heavier work, I always tried to learn new tasks and did them better than others (not my words), I hardly ever talked with coleagues while working and when I did it was about the work itself. I know I seem arrogant but I'm not lying. Can you imagine anyone in their late teens, early twenties doing the same thing today, or even back then?
And have you seen how young employees work today? They're ridiculous, lazy, pathetic, idiotic and unisterested. It's like they were born sleepy and unwilling to work BEFORE being rewarded.
@@danielt.8573 Your life story is pretty and all, but doesn't deny the fact that people do have little job incentives. The whole aspect of some people getting a secured place in the company doesn't somehow wash off the reality for the majority of the population.
@@trailoffiends For me, my motivation was being the second son of a poor family of 6 wich is why I doubled and tripled my effords just so I could have more money for a better life. I wore second hand clothing as a kid, had no computer or consoles, had very little toys and my only life "extravagance" was affording school books so fuck your dismissive comment. There was a time I worked 4 hours for very little money and that only made me work "pretty harder and all". That's when I started to be given opportunities and I took them.
Alright then. What do you consider to be the right incentives to work since having money in your pocket for a house, car, independence, everything else, apparently isn't enough for you/anyone to sweat a little? Again, shouldn't you work first and then expect to be rewarded later accordingly? Isn't that the way it's always been? And don't you see a clear difference in mentality between older generations and the younger ones? The more you're used to have with no efford, the least efford you make to have it.
@@danielt.8573 You're speaking of your personal experience and assuming that somehow other people need to work as hard as you do and stop complaining. You also didn't adress how is the job market in Portugal or worker rights.
I also started in a poor family of 8 sharing a house with 2 bedrooms, only felt on my skin what is it to have hot pressurized water by the age of 10. I don't assume if other people had a tougher life than me, what matters is to make a comparison basis to other countries and check that low productivity is based on shit incentives.
Some people work hard with no rewards down the road. Some people do not comitt the effort to work hard when the contract is precarious and there are red flags about the employer. It's that simple, don't project your life unto others and think it will work just as fine.
@@trailoffiends First of all, this is a video about Portugal. Second of all, my answer was originally to David Guerra. And third, you didn't answer my simple questions either. Do you really need extra incentives and rights to work other than wage? Should you NOT work if you don't have such extras and just give up? What do you want?
If you're not aware of how poorly trained youngsters come out of school (mentally and even physically) to the job market, and if you're not aware that most of today's parents treat their kids as friends who shouldn't suffer disappointment in life, there's really no way for you to know the reality of the country. Ask anyone in charge of anything inside any companies here (and even a few other countries in Europe it seems). If the topic of conversation is about new employees, the opinion is absolutely unanimous because they all see it as well. One of our clients in France complained about the same and another in Spain lightly mentioned it as well. You don't have to take it from me or the " projection of my life unto others ", just ask anyone else I've mentioned (managers, bosses...) and they might even tell you their stories so you can see the pattern. The point of my personal example was to illustrate the difference in behaviour and attitude regarding work and also opportunity because it does happen sooner of later.
And it didn't work fine for me since it took me 23 years to be where I am. Some people make it as early as 8 elsewhere in my company and totally deserve it.
hey you look like our beloved Maria Leal (and yeah that's not a good thing sweety)
LMAOO
Ahahahahaah
The minimum wage right now (2019) it’s only 580 euros, not 650 nor 700, we wish it was 😂 about 5 years ago It was 495
O salario minimo atual de 600€ em 2019 euivale a 700€ para efeitos de comparacao porque inclui os subsidios de ferias e natal. E a media mensal. Outros paises nao tem subsidios.
I think you should read more... XD
@@cesardinismarques9391 Mais ou menos, por coincidência eu sou um Português a viver na Dinamarca e aqui ao final de um ano, os empregadores pagam 12% do dinheiro ganho no ano anterior como uma espécie de subsídio de Férias, todos o fazem. Dói ver que as taxas que pago cá são quase iguais às que pagaria em Portugal, sendo que aqui a educação é grátis, a saúde também e tudo em geral funciona bem, so falta é sol. Espero que Portugal se endireite nos próximos anos!
When are you going to give Portugal a new Portuguese baby-citizen? Haha
Haha, we are too scared to have a baby here. We are afraid that the midwife will keep it due to missing paperwork. 😂
@@joenandamalie that might just happen :D but you can always call their helpline :D :D
STAY CLASSY VLOG haha Portuguese bureaucracy sucks! Hahah
STAY CLASSY VLOG always great video. Love to move there from Chicago where it’s still winter yet!
@@chicagomike from 10th of June ,you'll get a direct flight,from the big windy to Lisbon with Tap air Portugal,5x a week hehehe
You guys forgot to speek about the portugues food ;)
not everyone likes portuguese food...
I was also hoping to hear about the food
As you can see in the vídeo, they don't eat, they just drink.
@SGRP 270 eu gosto :)
I recently moved from NY to Portugal. For me the big con is that there is a lot of smoking.
The pros are the weather, the safety, the variety of things to do.
A complain is that it's very difficult to stay consistent with my diet! I'm a personal trainer, and I agree that it's hard to leave the house without having a glass of wine!
drink water, good stuff that we got in Portugal.
Eduardo S 😂😂😂😂😂
@@ritabrito5040 É bom, vais beber agua da fonte Polaca e de outros Países e dás logo valor a agua Portuguesa. Queres variar faz uma limonada ou um milkshake de morangito :P
Smoking in Portugal is disgusting. I also moved from Spain to Portugal and I'm still not use to the smoke indoors. In Spain is not allowed to smoke indoors.
@@carolo2021 we even used to smoke in office!
With money Portugal it’s great! Lisbon is in love with turist soo enjoy
hi guys i just saw your video, and first of all sorry for my english..
but i have to tell you something.. you are tottally right when u talk about burocracy... but not so right when u say tell only can do one task.
Portuguese people try to help you any way we can all the time, and try for many diferent ways...
Cons of living in Portugal...well u are in Portugal and still have a BMW van, i live here and I dont have one ahahaha
Hi Bas Dost!! Thank you for the goal💚🦁!
I’m sorry I missed your Instagram post... I’ve been super busy. I definitely would have shared. 😉
Everything is relative, isn’t it... just like Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder.
I had my own interaction with CTT and so with that one experience I’d agree with you... but, I like to think that I can deal with it. As long as I know what to expect, then I’ll be prepared to wait and know I might get frustrated.
I loved driving in Portugal and I didn’t even mind driving in Lisboa. I worked more about not understanding all the signs (since most are not used in Canada). The primary highways are great, and so are the smaller ones without tolls. I’m an explorer and was in the car often and I usually used the roads that started with ‘N’ or IP.
As you know, my experience with the language, up in Atouguia, was quite different. Most people on the stores or cafes didn’t speak English so I got to practice a lot! It’s going to be a lot of work to get my conversational Portuguese up to par, but I will plug away at it.
The weather is a huge positive coming from here where the snow is finally starting to melt away.
I think if you are kind, thoughtful and patient most of the time you will get along fine. Oh, and I will be buying a little used hatch-back, so I bet it won’t catch as many scratches and dings. That is just Murphy’s Law.
Thanks for the video. I’m always thrilled to get a notification!
Obrigada ~ Muitos beijinhos
Very well edited!
Come visit Peniche, 1 hour away from Lisbon , amazing beaches and food, as usually in Portugal :)
this annoys me so much!! i mean it isnt their fault, i for sure would do the same in their conditions, I was born and raised in Portugal so i love my country but to live a life where I work 9h a day serving and smiling for the tourists to seize and enjoy Portugal is very sad that foreighn people can happier in Portugal rather the portugueses themselves
This video is ridiculuous. Portugal is not about expensive and luxury places. You are loosing all the portuguese essence. And how long have you been leaving in Portugal to make that video?!
I was quite upset with the girl from Instagram that said the cons of Portugal are "old school, traditional, stupid mentalities". Portugal owns a very large percentage of its tourists to the fact that the country is "old school", it's the feeling of freedom and safety that comes with the "old school" that attracts tourism as well as the "traditional" part. If it wasn't for the traditional portuguese food or even the traditional education Portuguese people get while growing the country wouldn't gain the attention it has. Finally, and what got me the most was the "stupid mentalities" part, it doesn't matter if you're a local or just visiting, saying something like that isn't very kind. Especially to people who try their best to make you feel welcome. Old portuguese people (and even some teens) may have a closed mind but overall portuguese people shouldn't have to deal with people telling them their mentalities are "stupid". Because if it was to be like that locals wouldn't give a shit about tourists and they for sure wouldn't try to help as best as they can. Portuguese people are probably one of the kindest natives you'll find around the world so please, have a little respect. One thing is saying people are close minded, other is calling them stupid.
Portugal is for people who needs sunny weather but earnings here are close to Czech/Polish ones. Anyways it is beautiful country.
I hope not to come as rude as it may sound but yeah, I "hate" this mindset of foreigners and their expectations, is really tiring when you come to another country cuz you want to have a cheap blast and yet making a meh blah blah about the portuguese, I mean... it's disrespectful. There's there a slight sense of superiority thats rude. Anyway, 7 months are really not that long, not a bit, and again, a part of me knows that Im in defense mode over here lol a little, so I'll forgive it xD kidding ahah but yeah, 7months is nothing, there are erasmus that are longer and you just get a tip of the reality, a little, a very small piece of experience. So yap, you're still living with a foreigner/ turistic point a view which is pretty much not accurate enough, far from it.
PS. Our burocracy is not something we're proud of, we also hate it, still, sending back a letter for not having a "C", or wtv, it's a pain in the ass, yup, but cannot be called as bad burocracy, you should write all the information correctly, if not you're the one at fault, obviouslyy. From all the worst examples of bad burocracy that exist, you guys picked one that's not that big of a deal.
I'm from Lisbon!! Let me know if you need a guide, I'll show you around :P
And no, the prices are high in the big cities like Lisbon, Porto, Algarve... If you go to smaller cities (I'm from Vila Franca de Xira) its very cheap.
Is Guimaraes also cheap?
I liked how at the end our couple continue talking while being quite high ! True professionals :))
The issue with the address, missing a letter from the address is enterely your relatives fault, because that letter C is essential for determining wich house that package is for.
The situation with the car is terrible, if you always park your car in the same place, you that it is your neighbor is doing that damage to your car, complain to your insurance company.
Because the postal delivery guy couldn't just ring up one of the neighbours and ask? Would take all of 1 minute or less. Instead, they have to wait weeks to get their mail again.
@@WhatEver-xn5sn that would not be acceptable FOR ANYONE... image he was not a person of trust... or your package would be delivered to someone else.... it is SAFER to send it to return to sender.
As always a very snappy and interesting video with a good sense of humour. (Still funny to see Braveheart from time to time! 😁)
The cons (bureaucracy and BMW-sadomasochism) are real cons. But your drone footage of Portugal brings everything into perspective. That’s the beauty of life.
My friends you forgot the most fundamental con in Portugal: Every freaking year our entire country burns... Literally. Everyone in my family lost something in the fires of 2017, more than thousands lost their homes.
Stay frosty. Live the fancy life in the city, if you want rural living, you'll get burned, that's the way it is sadly.
Estupendo- Engraçado, triste e real ao mesmo tempo.
How about living on a boat in portugal...???
i would KILL to be rich in portugal. too bad i'm portuguese and that will never happen!
I find it funny that the majority of times, the ones that complain about portugal and the portuguese the most are the portuguese
Regarding the 1st cons you mentioned, I think you are just really unlucky. I've lived here all my life (50+ years) and never had a dent in my car made by others (and I've had lots of cars), all my packages arrive correctly (even with wrong addresses), never had someone who "couldn't care less" about his job in some public service, never had an issue with insurance like you had, etc. And when I say never, I literally mean never.
oh homem você é um sortudo do caraças!!! ainda não lhe saiu o euromilhões? :D
@@STICKlaPISSSE não sou sortudo, sou normal. A maioria das pessoas à minha volta não se queixa de nada do que foi falado no vídeo. Claro que pode ajudar o facto de eu viver numa cidade pequena, onde os serviços funcionam melhor e as pessoas são mais profissionais, respeitadoras e simpáticas do que numa cidade como Lisboa.
Arthur, I wonder if it also depends on what part of Portugal you live in... whether it’s a small town or the big city. If you live in a place that everyone knows who you are, then the people delivering the packages 📦 might be able to discern that “the address isn’t exactly right, but I know where that family lives.” In the bigger, busier cities it might be much harder, especially if the apt # is missing.
That being said, Amalie did say they had a tracking number no there was likely a phone number too. 🤷🏻♀️
@@JenShea Yes, I'm really convinced it depends on where you live. But it's not about people knowing who you are, it's about people being willing to walk the extra mile and to think, instead of blindly following the rules. That postman was probably just strictly following rules, he didn't pause to think because he just doesn't care, the big city made him numb.
Artur Rosa well said!
"Driving in Portugal is like gambling" you should go to Thailand xD Im portuguese and i visited thailand and i was always scared xD
Thailand isn't bad at all. I drive here more than I did in the US
Hey,
Sorry to say but it is cheap to live here if you come with the salary from Denmark for example, but the salary in Portugal does not make our living cheap at all, for example in Lisbon you don't usually find places to live that costs less than 750€(talking only about the appartment) and the minimum wage in here is 600€ and usually what the majority of us receive is like 600€ clean what makes it completly impossible to make a life alone. You need to be with someone and even like that the dificulties are huge for the couple or friends.. So I'm sorry but that is not a "pro" for the Portuguese people. You go eat at a restaurant one day and you're screwed for the rest of the month doing some magic to survive(even if you don't go out you need to do some magic to survive).
Cheers wish you both the best. ;)
Portugal for the win 🇵🇹
You are absolutely right about driving and cars - agree with you. But i disagree about bureaucracy. Maybe we are lucky enough but we didn't face with any issues with principals at all during 2 years we living here. Nice video as usual!
Actually most of the problems that you said here are problems about Lisbon, especially the problems about cars. In any other city than Porto or Lisbon there are not that kind of problems. You can enjoy driving and you'll not have problems about dented car. And about the mechanic, you were just unlucky 'cause i never had problems with delays! Hope you keep enjoying the country! 😉
actually you are so right and i would add the also the problems with MAIL would be avoided in smaller cities where the mail guy tries harder to find the street and delivers maila t my place with al sorts of wrong numbers and letters, since he knows my surname and that i live there (btw, i do not live on a village, i live on an average sized town)
Now it's clear where Brazilian bureaucracy come from
You guys come from Denmark a very organized country, ppl coming from Brazil say this is heaven in terms of bureaucracy...and i guess you are being unlucky, maybe that is your challenge, there is a lot of happiness for you here guys!..
Belarmin yes the same SEF that is a hell for them and let uncontrolled numbers of Brazilians and others to come in and even get citizenship very easily. Crooked laws the chuchas have been passing about this matter and no one protests. We are too passive and soft sometimes.
Hmmm... Sounds like Serbia... (Post office and that Insurance-Guy)
Haha, might be!
Portugal is for old people...its a nation that lacks jobs, opportunities and yeah...its not that well organized as many claim (fantasy, la la land). You need more than just weather, nature and historical sights..the cost are "low" but it lacks jobs...high paying jobs...jobs jobs jobs
You are right about that fact that people need to get paid more. But compared to the job opportunities teen years ago Portuguese is getting there. Give it it more time 🇵🇹🙌
Spot on. Moved to the UK 10 years ago and Portugal in now my main holiday destination when I see my family. Much easier to enjoy the country!
How do you survive with the UK weather?
even when ur die in portugal they make u wait fools lol
Pergunta a quem te atendeu nos CTT quanto ganha por mês e quantas horas trabalha. Depois partilha aqui, por favor, se realmente ela é relaxada ou se tem de ser, positiva, tendo em conta esses fatores.
Muito faz ela :)
Disclaimer: I’ve worked in Denmark for 3 months so I know both realities and you just can’t compare 2 totally different countries
All the best
how many of you think think she is a screamer ?
Well my friends ..you are right in some things...the driving in Portugal as in all southern Europe,particulary Italy,is terrible, some situations require too much burocracy...but now(I guess inDenmark...people to get divorced have to attend a sort of course..) but what happened to your car happens everywhere in the world...and CTT a private institution doesn't work very well but in your case if the address wasn't correct,....what could youexpect? back to the origin..in this case Denmark...If it had happened in Denmark what would they do? walk all along the street to find you or ring all the door bells in the building to see whichone is yours??? don't think so.
Jaime Gomes boa resposta !!! Totalmente de acordo
In Viseu my car rarely gets hit/scratched etc.
Is tab water safe to drink in Portogal? Or do you have to buy water in bottles?
I think you meant tap water so I'm going to reply based on that. Tap water in Portugal is safe for consume (I'm portuguese and I know many people who drink water from that source).
Bureaucracy in Portugal is actually kinda good compared to my experience in France. I think this mostly points out how horrible administrative stuff is in France though :'D
Are you sorry you chose Portugal? Thinking of moving to another country in a few years?
Absolutely not. We love Portugal.
CTT are awful since they are private. Don't use it, use other express companies.
Hey Guys. That was a very good vlog. Happy to see``me´´in the Instagram screenshots :-) (rui.neutro)
Thanks for your contribution, Rui! :)
@@joenandamalie always guys!
I am a bit disappointed with this video because the reasons are very fútil. Fourthermore without local food and popular activities you do not really know the country. BTW Normally if you send the phone within the package they will call you if the address is wrong. PS.: I am sure you can do much better next time!!!
Sorry, you fee that way. We’ve been getting a lot of positive feedback from most people though. What is it about our cons and pros that are futile?
@@joenandamalie One example: One of the main CONS is that you have a garage neighbor giving a little touch to your car...really? Get over it! I am a car lover and sympathetic about it, but please...PS: I always will be a suportive fan of your Vlog!
Guys, pros: Portugal, cons: Lisbon.
Yes, public services are a nightmare. Grosseries and energy are very expensive for our wages.
But we work hard and sometimes flexibility or timings go down the sewer due to overwork.
Enjoy!
If you don't know your address don't blame the post office, but your ignorance
If you thought it difficult I invite you to come to a Brazil Correio agency
Wow, a garage who didn't repair a car on time? Really? That is NOT a "con" for Portugal that is a "con" of owning a car anywhere in the world!!!
Portugala great place if you have money!
idk what u guys do with that car seriously that isnt really casual what happens with ur car.
its totally casual....
don t agree about your opinion that de prices "gona go up in 10 hears". Maby in the center of lisbon o or some turistic places this cood hapen, but just a litle. All of the places that sell to the inside market can t do this, because no one will by it. Take car!
Portugal 🇵🇹
I fully agree with cons, specially the car dents and crazy drivers, it's extremely annoying. As for the pros, Portugal is amazing for all those reasons. Pros easily overcome the cons, at least for me....
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All the cons you mentioned: you get them if you live in Lisbon (haters, come at me)
As for what you said at 11:30, well, that's actually the same prejudiced idea we have of northern countries (and here I'm including Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Finland and Norway), so... wuuuut????
The rest, well, those are just facts. Spot on, guys!
"If they are more relaxed they get brown underwear" - classic
"(drinks, alcohol) is so cheap that it's hard to stay disciplined" - do you get us now? ;)
yeah, as many comments say accurately this is basically all problems about Lisbon starting with the first 2 about the car and the mail...
@@miwildberries indeed!
Burocracy... I totally agree!! I hate it!! I'm Portuguese 😳 it takes ages ...
It’s your own mistake to heave the wrong address in the package, but some how CTT seems to get the blame of it? I can’t understand! Really. How could the post office contact you if they don’t know were do you live? Because YOU sent your own address wrong! For instance if you send a e-mail with the wrong e-mail address does the receiver get the e-mail?
Don’t get me wrong, I hate CTT, they make me crazy, if I want to send or receive something important in or out Portugal I use DHL, but you can’t blame them for your own mistakes...
Side note: by the way do you follow host country rules? Did / do you got / get the required authentication for all your drone footage?
Have a nice stay in our beloved country, we welcome you.
Best regards.
Hi guys, first of all, burocracy... Yes, some services are really bad and slow, the trick is pressure and don't be nice and understanding to them, or else you always will be the last one to be served. I live in Ireland and it's funny how things are relative, here I miss the Portuguese services (so imagine how bad these ones are). About the flights, any flight in Europe depends on competition. Check how many companies do the route you want and if the intention is low price check the same route but through London (any airport). I'm guessing you will find that through London the flight becomes super cheap.
Well I guess when you move elsewhere we all have this tendency to compare with what we are used to. When it comes out of our comfort zone it's easier to point fingers. I'm not criticizing in anyway. It's nice to get to know a different perspective that from the one we take as granted. I'm portuguese and I've been living mainly all my life in Portugal. I've spent 20 years in Porto and now in Lisboa for 20 years. I mean there's some differences but not that many. The burocracy overall in Portugal is something that really drives me crazy but we it has come long ways. Believe me in the 1980 and 1990's it was much worst. As for what you said that in general Portuguese people have some difficulties to get out of the comfort zone and go around the problems to solve them I don't agree with you that much. In fact there's a word in portuguese - "desenrascar" that it just fits like a glove there. As a latin southern culture we tend to leave mainly everything for last minute. And that's when "desenrascanso" comes along and saves the day. And different solutions for the same problem are presented and resolved ;)
As a general balance if I were not living here already I would think seriously on moving here. But hey keep it a secret otherwise all the good things of living in Portugal will be gone in no time.
Enjoy the weather, the wine and the food. And ok the people too. Of course we have assholes (a lot of them) like any where else but that's life.
By the way I love Copenhagen and the people there
Cheers
Just a note, the video isn't about Portugal, it's only about Lisbon (and very accurate). Because Lisbon is the capital. If you live in a different city you won't have these problems.
yup
I want a video with your parents again...in the summer here in Portugal! 🌞😉They are super cool👍
This guys obviously never been on a less civilized country if they think these are cons in Portugal.
What’s your point?!
@@joenandamalie My point is: Pretty much as you guys I live abroad, and obviously every country I'm in it's always so hard to take care of anything , including bureaucracy. The reason why I'm saying this is because I'm living outside of Portugal for the last 5 years and yes after all this experience I believe that Portugal is way ahead of most European countries. For you it will be always frustrating because in the end your not in your country, so things will always be a "tiny" bit harder than in Denmark. I have been told in different countries that Portugal does not belong to the European Union, so believe me the struggle there is minimal compared to a lot of countries in Europe, especially the Eastern Europe ones, which is where I'm located now.
I feel the same about the flexibility. Portuguese really only can deal with the things they know. But still adore living here.. 🙂👍
Kristof Weckx i lived in London and i can tell you that all the costumer services are robots teached to do one thing only and pass to the other that knows!! I think this overview of cons is the same overall (worlwide).
Let me tell you something that could help you from now on. You are spot on in everything, But there is something you still don't realize. Portugal have a lot of burucracy? Servers never know how to agilize processes? Portuguese are lazy? It appears that all is true, But it isn't. Nowadays burucracy is easy and fast. And portuguese are really good at thinking outside the box. It's even our biggest achievement as a culture. Desenrascar is the thing we are best at. But portuguese are really really really lazy. Most of the time servers (public and private) don't help, make problems, and say "try go to (somewhere else) just to " pass the ball", someone else to do the work. And it really is nerve breaking. It's not magic, But it really helps: be nice, But if someone looks like they don't are doing the job they should do, don't be afraid of ask for the reclamation book. See how fast they solve your problem. But be sure what you want to write. Most of the complains is about the server being unpolite, and that isn't a valid complain. Be sure to write (or want to write, because most of the time they solve the problem and you don't need to write) something that really works bad. And if possible, in public services, try to speak with younger people. Old public servers are way to far gone in lazyness. They are completly useless.
When you leave lisbon, serra da estrela is north direction, not south.
Mera geografia, ponto de vista até, vira o mapa que eles já estão corretos 😂
for me one of the biggest pros... food
@Pedro Bitoque thanks god that in the north we still have alot of portuguse dishes
If you like it in Lisbon you should try to live out of a big city. It's even better!!!
Hey, I'm portugese... your first CON is totally true... everything related to public services is crap in Portugal.
My wife went into a bank to get two Euro 50 notes we got from an ATM outside exchanged for smaller bills because we get bad looks every time we take a 50 out (even 20's). It took her 35 minutes. They're were two customers in front of her. I waited outside and figured she's been kidnapped. Only cremation takes that long where I live.
I'm portuguese and I live nearby Lisbon and let me tell you guys, I couldn't agree more with you! I think we are so friendly as tourists say, because we see the value in them, we love the idea of having people coming from all over the world just to admire OUR little world, our country that sometimes almost feel like a small village! Hope you keep loving living here and believe me that there are so many things that you still have to find out! About the cons... oh God, it's true!! Specially the accidents and traffic ahahah!
Portugal:
Pro. Weather, food and genuine people.
Con. Bureaucracy.
Canada:
Con. weather, food.
Pro. Some kind of system.
We are all just a care free people
10:35 true!! I'm from Portugal and I'm currently doing Erasmus (studying in other country) in Lódz, Poland, and there's so rare to find any polish people who talks in english...
*thanks Google Translater for save me!*
Join ESN when you come back! And have fun :b
I’m Portuguese and I understand so well everything you are saying. I still love my Portugal and even more after I move for Uk. Uk is good with me and I appreciate all that but in the end I cannot compared the life style from Portugal to mostly any country in Europe. The money in Portugal is ver bad for simply labour. Portugal is fantastic but definitely is not a paradise. To much bureaucracy everywhere.