This video was greatly helpful for me. It clarified the terms which sometimes confused us in different theories. Thanks for your generosity of sharing these amazing and precious videos.
From "Grandiosity and the Empowerment of the Spiritual and Artistic ," by R.S. Pearson There is a wonderful but little known book called "Psychotherapy of the Submerged Personality" by Alexander Wolf and Irwin Kutash (Kutash and Wolf, 1991). It is not too obscure as it has an introduction by the well-known psychological theorist Robert Stolorow. It describes a diagnosis where ambivalence is one of the chief characteristics. They called this problem “di-egophrenia” because the person is operating from two psuedo-egos and not their authentic Ego. Psuedo-egos are not the real authentic Ego, hence they do not have any of the logic or higher-level functioning that a healthy Ego has to take care of the overall self. The psuedo-egos and the authentic Ego can be represented as places in the brain, structures that determine functions and memories. They have a physical not merely philosophical reality. What used to be represented as conceptual theory for problem solving now has a neuro-biological reality. The first psuedo-ego is called the maternally introjected psuedo-ego. This is not meant to blame the mother over the father, it only uses the idea of mother in the sense of early childhood environment. One could extend this idea and state that all negative early childhood experiences would be a part of this introjected voice. The other psuedo-ego is called the rebellious one. This one acquires energies out of life that the other psuedo-ego cut off from the self. By rebelling from the standards of the maternally introjected psuedo-ego, it is able to achieve an energetic life, but not the higher quality life that an activated and present authentic Ego would give one.
thanks for your lectures! very absorbing, came here from the one on Winnicott and both have left me more curious about the mother's world. Would love a longer lecture perhaps elaborating on maternal ambivalence and more broadly the psychoanalytic approach to 'mother' and mothering. I struggle to grasp the subtlety with which ambivalence may present itself in the mother's experience opposed to swinging between love and aggression. Thank you!
Good idea, but a tall order. I think such a talk should be given by someone who works extensively with children, probably a woman child analyst would be the one to do this. But I will think on it.
It was very thought provoking. I have never thought about how the term, ambivalence in attachment theory is used differently from the way Frued and Klien used. I think it was not John bowlby but Mary Ainthworth who classified attachment types as she devised the strange situation test. Therefore I suppose the term ambivalent attachment must be chosen by her in the first place not John bowlby. I think the term ambivalent in attachment patterns is used to describe the infants behavior (seeking proximity to attachment figure but resisiting comfort from the figure) rather than the infant's state of mind, phantasy. However as you pointed out I think the ambivalent attachment can be categorized into splitting(Freudian early usage of ambivalence: defusion of love and hate) because the ambivalent attached child is highly angry at the attachment figure. It can be applicable to avoidant attachment especially because they tend to idealize or devalue their parents when they grow up. Only securely attached infants seem able to reach to the ambivalence(overcoming splitting, fusion of love and hate) which Meline Klein used. I am not sure where the disorganized/disoriented attached infants could belong to. I guess they can fall into the early stage of ambivalence but it can be more complicated. I am sorry my English isn't goodenough..but I hope it makes sense. Thank you for your video.♡
Thank you so much for posting this video. This is such a great help! I think that Bowlby's concept of ambivalence does correlate more closely with splitting. The infant's crying out when mother leaves, and then pushing her away when she returns. I wonder about Bowlby's generally negative views of Kleinian theory, and if that might have influenced his efforts to disparage her valuing of ambivalence?
Borderline personality disorder and parinoid schzoid; Ambilvance meaning love and hate are not split . Contained within the one person. Formed attachment and love are experienced as idealised devotion. Hate is tolerated regardless of personal displeasure due to adoration. Ambivalence is also always present in the sadomasochistisic ; both elements are contained sadistic and masochistic traits. They are not split either. They are contained within the one person.
I appreciate a lot your videos, very insightful and useful. If possible, I would also be interested about your broader view on Hysteria & how Freud &others approached this. Thank you !
I have had ambivalence for a long time now due to changing my business goals. Finally my personal and business goals are in alignment and my strategy is flawless. Despite feeling a sense of accomplishment I feel mentally drained that has to be a side effect of ambivalence. What would suggest that I do to gain clarity and focus.
This raises a question as to how ambivalence relates to Bion's linking, the capacity to correlate, as he formulated in his paper 'Theory of thinking'. And to Winnicott's capacity for concern, Freud's struggle between the pleusure principle and the reality principle... I'm struggling to get the bigger picture of the overlaps between Freudian, Kleinian and Bionian thinking about the positions.
Ingur Zimmermann only if the depressive position is attained, splitting overcome, and ambivalence achieved Ken one experience the conflict that drives sublimation and dialectical evolution.
Excuse me, Sir, my english is not fluently, i speak French but i listen yours vidéos with the subtitles in french. Could you, please, make a video about the depressions et the strong influence parenting on the kids ? Also the incestuality family like Paul-Claude Racamier said, not incest but a fusion an confusion. I like very muche your work. Thank you .
What's sexual ambivalent training or certificate needed apparently for citizenship requirements??? Not canada term I've ever heard of I'm being accused of being sexual ambivalent. What's it mean as a closet secretly picky attracted to specific men on face to face interaction. 46 years had sex zero woman amd don't plan in it.
This video was greatly helpful for me.
It clarified the terms which sometimes confused us in different theories.
Thanks for your generosity of sharing these amazing and precious videos.
Thank you, you’re most welcome.
It's so helpful that every psychoanalitic problem I can't solve, you have already thought of and can explain... what a relive. Thank you 🙏
Thank you
A very helpful clarification, thank you.
From "Grandiosity and the Empowerment of the Spiritual and Artistic
," by R.S. Pearson
There is a wonderful but little known book called "Psychotherapy of the Submerged Personality" by Alexander Wolf and Irwin Kutash (Kutash and Wolf, 1991). It is not too obscure as it has an introduction by the well-known psychological theorist Robert Stolorow. It describes a diagnosis where ambivalence is one of the chief characteristics. They called this problem “di-egophrenia” because the person is operating from two psuedo-egos and not their authentic Ego. Psuedo-egos are not the real authentic Ego, hence they do not have any of the logic or higher-level functioning that a healthy Ego has to take care of the overall self.
The psuedo-egos and the authentic Ego can be represented as places in the brain, structures that determine functions and memories. They have a physical not merely philosophical reality. What used to be represented as conceptual theory for problem solving now has a neuro-biological reality.
The first psuedo-ego is called the maternally introjected psuedo-ego. This is not meant to blame the mother over the father, it only uses the idea of mother in the sense of early childhood environment. One could extend this idea and state that all negative early childhood experiences would be a part of this introjected voice. The other psuedo-ego is called the rebellious one. This one acquires energies out of life that the other psuedo-ego cut off from the self. By rebelling from the standards of the maternally introjected psuedo-ego, it is able to achieve an energetic life, but not the higher quality life that an activated and present authentic Ego would give one.
Brilliant Prof. Carveth.
Great video thank you for the talk.
Thanks for insightful video, can you talk about love and anger?
thanks for your lectures! very absorbing, came here from the one on Winnicott and both have left me more curious about the mother's world. Would love a longer lecture perhaps elaborating on maternal ambivalence and more broadly the psychoanalytic approach to 'mother' and mothering. I struggle to grasp the subtlety with which ambivalence may present itself in the mother's experience opposed to swinging between love and aggression. Thank you!
Good idea, but a tall order. I think such a talk should be given by someone who works extensively with children, probably a woman child analyst would be the one to do this. But I will think on it.
It was very thought provoking.
I have never thought about how the term, ambivalence in attachment theory is used differently from the way Frued and Klien used.
I think it was not John bowlby but Mary Ainthworth who classified attachment types as she devised the strange situation test. Therefore I suppose the term ambivalent attachment must be chosen by her in the first place not John bowlby.
I think the term ambivalent in attachment patterns is used to describe the infants behavior (seeking proximity to attachment figure but resisiting comfort from the figure) rather than the infant's state of mind, phantasy.
However as you pointed out I think the ambivalent attachment can be categorized into splitting(Freudian early usage of ambivalence: defusion of love and hate) because the ambivalent attached child is highly angry at the attachment figure.
It can be applicable to avoidant attachment especially because they tend to idealize or devalue their parents when they grow up. Only securely attached infants seem able to reach to the ambivalence(overcoming splitting, fusion of love and hate) which Meline Klein used.
I am not sure where the disorganized/disoriented attached infants could belong to. I guess they can fall into the early stage of ambivalence but it can be more complicated.
I am sorry my English isn't goodenough..but I hope it makes sense.
Thank you for your video.♡
Yes, that makes sense. Thank you.
Thank you so much for posting this video. This is such a great help!
I think that Bowlby's concept of ambivalence does correlate more closely with splitting. The infant's crying out when mother leaves, and then pushing her away when she returns. I wonder about Bowlby's generally negative views of Kleinian theory, and if that might have influenced his efforts to disparage her valuing of ambivalence?
Bowlby was unfairly critical of Klein, But I’m not sure he had her con sept in mind in this connection.
Borderline personality disorder and parinoid schzoid; Ambilvance meaning love and hate are not split . Contained within the one person. Formed attachment and love are experienced as idealised devotion. Hate is tolerated regardless of personal displeasure due to adoration. Ambivalence is also always present in the sadomasochistisic ; both elements are contained sadistic and masochistic traits. They are not split either. They are contained within the one person.
I appreciate a lot your videos, very insightful and useful. If possible, I would also be interested about your broader view on Hysteria & how Freud &others approached this. Thank you !
Thanks, that’s a good topic which I hope to address before long.
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One might surmise that in the meaning of 'ambivalence', psychoanalysis is very much split :-) Indeed Freud himself projects this quite nicely
I have had ambivalence for a long time now due to changing my business goals. Finally my personal and business goals are in alignment and my strategy is flawless.
Despite feeling a sense of accomplishment I feel mentally drained that has to be a side effect of ambivalence.
What would suggest that I do to gain clarity and focus.
I’m a psycho analyst so I answer is bound to be: psycho analysis
This raises a question as to how ambivalence relates to Bion's linking, the capacity to correlate, as he formulated in his paper 'Theory of thinking'. And to Winnicott's capacity for concern, Freud's struggle between the pleusure principle and the reality principle... I'm struggling to get the bigger picture of the overlaps between Freudian, Kleinian and Bionian thinking about the positions.
Ingur Zimmermann only if the depressive position is attained, splitting overcome, and ambivalence achieved Ken one experience the conflict that drives sublimation and dialectical evolution.
@@doncarveth overcoming the splitting of what exactly? regarding the depressive state?
@@doncarveth the resentful cause of depression & the accompanying traits one exhibits indicating depression?
Sorry I’m late
Excuse me, Sir, my english is not fluently, i speak French but i listen yours vidéos with the subtitles in french. Could you, please, make a video about the depressions et the strong influence parenting on the kids ? Also the incestuality family like Paul-Claude Racamier said, not incest but a fusion an confusion.
I like very muche your work. Thank you .
Thank you for the suggestion. I will begin to think about this.
What's sexual ambivalent training or certificate needed apparently for citizenship requirements??? Not canada term I've ever heard of I'm being accused of being sexual ambivalent. What's it mean as a closet secretly picky attracted to specific men on face to face interaction. 46 years had sex zero woman amd don't plan in it.