I have some fond nostalgic memories of riding a train from Melbourne to Canberra in early 1970. Steam powered the train in NSW and it was a magnificent trip. We left OZ in 1973 for a tour in Africa and later in Iran. Australia was wonderful......
What job it would've been for those blokes. Especially the crews on the locos without automatic stokers. Loved my time working steam and when you got on a decent bank, working to keep the steam pressure while keeping the boiler water level from dropping out of the glass, was what it was all about. What was the tonnage and number of wagons on those double headed garratt coal trains? You NSW guys had it over Qld, we didn't ever have double headed garratts and Max drawgear limit on a single was around the 500t mark, more if banked .
@BelbinVideo I only worked on steam as the new generation of Heritage train crews. But our tours during 2015 150yr QR celebrations to the North and Western Qld really gave me a feel for what it was like. Would've loved to work heavier freight, about 450t is the heaviest we hauled. I have worked in several different depots over the last 24yrs and it loved getting to go back with Steam from 2012 to 2019. 1200t on 8 cylinders now that is Power isn't it. !
I believe the Garrats were capable of hauling 900 tonne trains on 1 in 40 grades and up to 1600 tonne on the level but it would be doing only 40 mph with that weight
Well here's some stats for you Parkes to Bogan Gate 1400 Lithgow to Bathurst 850 - 900 Dubbo to Merrygoen 1100 Enfield to Goulburn 1500 My father worked for the NSWGR and it's succeeding iterations for 35 years Don't you or anyone else here treat me like a fool
I can only imagine how it must have felt being on the side of the track filming those hard working double heading garratts taking a fully loaded train up the grade? Absolutely awesome! My filming of The Ghan coming into the station in Adelaide pails into insignificance in comparison. But at least it is a great passenger train.
All the Garrett's had gone in England when I was a trainspotting kid. The LMS had them built like 2 0-6-0's stuck together. Not a good idea. Apparently they were less than successful . I was obviously in the wrong country at the time . The double headed Garrett's are just amazing. I'm really glad that I found your site
The LMS and LNER told Beyer Peacock to change their Garratts design to their ideas and standard parts. Result was the poorest design Garratts built, apart from the New Zealand six cylinder version. Beyer Peacock knew how to design and build a Garratt better than the LMS and LNER.
@@graemejohnstone7370 The M class were so rare and scrapped so early that even few railfans know of them. Little documented other than they were very smooth and fast. This was a problem on the lowish quality narrow gauge track they ran on as the drivers could easily be lulled into driving too fast. The resulting crashes combined with the high maintenance cost of eight cylinders had them scrapped early by the twenties. When I raise the topic of these eight cylinder double Atlantic Garratts, most usually say impossible.
Another classic! Those double headed Garretts really work hard. I've taken to lowering the playback speed to half or three quarters so I get a better view of the engines & trains.
I doubt that many diesels if let to deteriorate to the condition of some of those Garrett’s would be able to move under their own power let alone pull a train up these gradients.
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To film these before they all but disappeared was a great service to our Australian railway history. Thank you for posting these.
I love this video
Thanks for the memories I worked many of those trains over the years
These are truly wonderful films, and as well, valuable historical documents. Thank you so much for posting them.
Thanks for your kind comments John. I love being able to share them.
I have some fond nostalgic memories of riding a train from Melbourne to Canberra in early 1970. Steam powered the train in NSW and it was a magnificent trip. We left OZ in 1973 for a tour in Africa and later in Iran. Australia was wonderful......
We can virtually smell them kin the very last train. :-)
Superb filming. The AD 60 Garratt was a terrific work horse. The early diesels were toys by comparison.
I was born thirty year's to late. Back then trains had a personality, now they look the same as each other just different paint schemes and companies.
Thank You Graeme you have made an old friend feel young again.David Johnstone
Howdy Dave, glad you enjoyed it. They were good times, mate, that's for sure.
What job it would've been for those blokes. Especially the crews on the locos without automatic stokers. Loved my time working steam and when you got on a decent bank, working to keep the steam pressure while keeping the boiler water level from dropping out of the glass, was what it was all about. What was the tonnage and number of wagons on those double headed garratt coal trains? You NSW guys had it over Qld, we didn't ever have double headed garratts and Max drawgear limit on a single was around the 500t mark, more if banked .
Must have been great on the job, Adrian. I think the Newstan trains were about 1200 tons.
@BelbinVideo I only worked on steam as the new generation of Heritage train crews. But our tours during 2015 150yr QR celebrations to the North and Western Qld really gave me a feel for what it was like. Would've loved to work heavier freight, about 450t is the heaviest we hauled. I have worked in several different depots over the last 24yrs and it loved getting to go back with Steam from 2012 to 2019.
1200t on 8 cylinders now that is Power isn't it. !
I believe the Garrats were capable of hauling 900 tonne trains on 1 in 40 grades and up to 1600 tonne on the level but it would be doing only 40 mph with that weight
@evangiles4403 she'd be flying at 40mph. I don't doubt the weights you mentioned. Very impressive whichever way you look at it
Well here's some stats for you
Parkes to Bogan Gate 1400
Lithgow to Bathurst 850 - 900
Dubbo to Merrygoen 1100
Enfield to Goulburn 1500
My father worked for the NSWGR and it's succeeding iterations for 35 years
Don't you or anyone else here treat me like a fool
Paradise Ally. Yum yum.
Great that 6029 has returned to the rails but like all preserved steam locos, she will never bark like this again.
I can only imagine how it must have felt being on the side of the track filming those hard working double heading garratts taking a fully loaded train up the grade? Absolutely awesome! My filming of The Ghan coming into the station in Adelaide pails into insignificance in comparison. But at least it is a great passenger train.
The ground shook and rumbled.
All the Garrett's had gone in England when I was a trainspotting kid. The LMS had them built like 2 0-6-0's stuck together. Not a good idea. Apparently they were less than successful . I was obviously in the wrong country at the time . The double headed Garrett's are just amazing. I'm really glad that I found your site
The LMS and LNER told Beyer Peacock to change their Garratts design to their ideas and standard parts. Result was the poorest design Garratts built, apart from the New Zealand six cylinder version.
Beyer Peacock knew how to design and build a Garratt better than the LMS and LNER.
G day John D, do you know of the 8 cylinder M class garrats that operated in Tasmania? How are they regarded? Gj tas.
@@graemejohnstone7370 The M class were so rare and scrapped so early that even few railfans know of them. Little documented other than they were very smooth and fast. This was a problem on the lowish quality narrow gauge track they ran on as the drivers could easily be lulled into driving too fast. The resulting crashes combined with the high maintenance cost of eight cylinders had them scrapped early by the twenties.
When I raise the topic of these eight cylinder double Atlantic Garratts, most usually say impossible.
Wow, some aromatic memories there. Thanks so much Graeme. :-)
My absolute pleasure, Terry.
There's just something about double headed garrets
Look at the terrible state they were in loosing steam everywhere no wonder the old drivers were glad to see the are end of them
Another classic! Those double headed Garretts really work hard. I've taken to lowering the playback speed to half or three quarters so I get a better view of the engines & trains.
Thanks, Phillip, I'm glad you enjoy them.
Engine on passenger train resembled a New Haven I-5.
Yes, Ruffian, the streamlining on the 38 class was based on the NH I-5.
I doubt that many diesels if let to deteriorate to the condition of some of those Garrett’s would be able to move under their own power let alone pull a train up these gradients.
I dare say you're right, Michael.