INTP vs INTJ: How They Process Information Differently - DIKW - (INTx Insights)
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DIKW-"Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad"
Why Not though? Some tomato subspecies are very sweet. Needs experimenting
That's how you comment on a TH-cam video!
I'd really like to hear you talk about INTJ struggles with energy management vs INTP struggles with motivation and how those show up. I'm INTJ but sometimes type as INTP on tests. I prefer to get things done, but regularly fall into the "I don't give a sh**" mode. Wondering if this is just energy protection.
I have that as well. It’s more like if I’m doing something for myself I will go into “I don’t give af mode” but if I’m doing something for someone else I go into “let’s get all this shit done within two hours”.
@@abyz9774 I thought I was INTJ, but then after being profiled INTP is WAAAYY more likely in spades. I feel the same way, for anyone else I have to get it done as soon as possible... but anything that is for myself has zero sense of priority.
Sounds like intp
@@claudiabottom4086 Same boat here, typed INTP last year, now typed INTJ. I feel like a lot of this has to do with courage, if every human being honestly took action on what they were reading the world would transform. I enjoy learning and discussing ideas for their own sake - at the same time like to anchor them to reality and action.
same!!
I'm an INTP with an INTJ father. One of the biggest differences is that I need to hear lots of information early in order to put things into context before I can begin to make sense of them or how to act. My INTJ father finds it very stressful to be given any information until he is already ready to act on it. My memory is much better than his. He says he would never remember things he is told before he is ready to use the info and so there is no point in knowing it early. All it does is distract him from focusing on more urgent decisions.
magister343 - This is interesting. My wife and my son have always been amazed by my good memory and I am almost always ready for new information. There are few topics of any depth that don't interest me. I find more stress in being cutoff from information than I do about being overloaded with it. This video helped me to see that as an INTJ, I do have a method in my mad accumulation of information. I line up actions for what I know, even if I can't actually perform the actions I envision. This is one of the reasons I so admire Elon Musk, he is doing what I have only envisioned doing.
I'm with INTJ Island on this. I too have a great memory for information, especially if it is information on a topic for which I'm highly interested. Perhaps your father isn't interested in, or is perhaps even avoidant of that subject? I know personally, I would avoid subjects that bore me like the plague.
But what about brainstorming many equally good ideas on how to complete a task?
His memory issue might also be related to the fact that he is almost 80 years old.
I think all INTx types have excellent memories, having a good memory isn't really linked to any type of function, what kind of memory, or the inclination towards the info of any subject maybe. Sure isn't linked to Ti, Te, Fi, Fe, Si, Se, Ne, Ni.
If you're an INTJ still baffled by why people label you arrogant, go to 18:23 and observe Joe give his opinion . We don't present our opinions like that. While we implicitly accept the provisional nature of our pronouncements, i.e. they are true until better data or a better understanding changes our opinion, most people express it explicitly like Joe does. I think it's a matter of tone. We seem like we're delivering Revealed Truth, when subjectively it's just wow I just had an interesting idea.
This is all supposition on my part as I am the only INTJ I have ever experienced. You'll have to compare it to your experience to see if there is any validity/worth to it.
I think that maturity improves this. When I was in my teens, early 20s, I would state things I was sure of as certainties. Now in my 30s, I typically will say "from what I have read" or "my understanding is...", etc. Because there's always other information out there that could change it and who knows until it's shared?
I would say this is a trap that young or unhealthy INTJs could fall into. I have personally gone to the trouble of training my speech patterns to follow this outline of overt humility, i.e, phrasing things in the "I think..." way, rather than stating my opinions as fact.
@@dirtywhitellama my intj bestie often say things like "in my opinion", "since the person is (sorry) slightly challenged", "#sorrynotsorry" (for a more blunt opinion that she's confident on) a lot these past years, where 10 years ago she seems more direct. I think over the years she has learned that her tone of speaking tend to be misunderstood by people
As an INTJ who has been happily married to an INTP for almost 13 years, I relate to a lot of what you said in this video, but I just want to point out that I don't always with hold information out of fear that it will be misused. It's more a case of wanting to make sure I give you the correct actionable information, so I need to be clear on what you're asking and why. My husband doesn't just want to answer the question. He wants to go through the whole history of what led to the question and then answer it. Most of the time this is amusing. :)
Omg! I’m the INTP that has been married to an INTJ male, and he often becomes flustered with me because I always tend to give so much info when answering his questions 😂
@@sylviaowega3839I'm an INTJ and I want to hear WHY you think what you think, not so much about what you actually did. You wore a pink dress to get someone's attention? Why did you think that would work? Not interested in your favorite color or what you wear normally. This can appear paradoxical because I WOULD care that you normally only wear black or dark colors and you thought this would be eye catching because it's so different, but I have no interest in your clothes. The why gives me info how you work, how others work, perhaps how I work... It tells me what I may need to improve, it tells me I may not have considered all the angles, and it tells me whether or not my expectation of how someone will act is consistent with reality. You, your feeling, and your opinions are likely none of my concern.
@@jhemp For starters, I never cared what other people be think. Typically I wear the black shorts, jeans, or cargo pants with a black shorts, or a concert T-shirt for comfort and convenience, bud occasionally I like to to wear a comfortable dress. They are just black, or white. I like the pink, is red dress, but they are unfortunately hard to find. I also like to wear overalls, but my partner always complains every time I wear them. Lol
So I as an INTP, I wear the clothes strictly for functionally, and because I like the way they look -not because other people like them. I also naturally pick the colors I like, as well. Also being a deep introverted I also try to avoid grabbing other people’s attention, so I will not waste my money on expensive labels for the sake of impressing other people.
@sylviaowega3839 Thanks for sharing. As far as clothes wear... I prefer comfortable clothes, but I get a lot of free shirts and clothes from other people so I tend to just wear whatever is on top. If I did choose what I wear and bought it for myself, I'd probably find a comfortable black polo and some black slacks, buy 14 or so of each, then buy 7 more sets and leave then shink wrapped and replace something if and only if it becomes damaged. This way, there's never confusion about what I wear, or if it'll match, and so on. I don't care what others think of my attire, but if I can avoid unnecessary confrontation by wearing a consistent outfit I would.
To me I'm rarely concerned with stuff like that, I'm probably twice as likely to wear clothing that doesn't match or wear clothes inside out and not realize as I am to care about what people wear. Actually, nearly infinitely more likely since I can't think of anytime I would csre...
Clothing isn't tied to my ability to perform my job, and while I recognize it's necessary to pay attention to appearance to appease others and get ahead in life, the fact it matters irritates me because there's little logic in that idea as far as I'm concerned. Sweatpants won't make you more or less capable than slacks and so on.
Thank you. I think what you said is spot on. You might have trouble telling the difference between an INTP and an INTJ at the library, because they both will be reading like crazy. But how they use what they read is going to be different. Great video!
Information gets vetted instantly, the Ti automatically judges if its logical or not - TOTALLY ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE!! YESSSSSS!!!!
I am INTP. One of the things I can't understand is the terrible noise people are making about internet information. The more I get inf. The more I can decide what to do. Its like I never have enough. But as I have grown older I have kind of learned how to "close" the gathering and make a decision. At least when I understand that it is not the end of the world what I decide.
Same here. INTPs are like the human version of a search engine, which is why we love the internet.
I learned to make decisions, when I realized that decisions can be changed based on new information. This was completely mind blowing, at the time. Like...I can commit and still change my mind later when I learn new things! But the downside is, most people think you're just waffling. /sigh
Good point. We know how to categorize the data
"just for the sake of information" i think tends to make people believe that an INTP doesn't want to use that knowledge. i believe the INTP is looking to apply what they know, but they see more overlap between things that some many not realize. for example: i may be thinking about gardening, "just for the sake" of learning something new. but i can see down the line (a path) how it can improve my life in unrelated ways, and may even be helpful in ways in the future i do not see yet. it's more of a "just in case".
Well, that’s because you are an intp.
Yes, one kind of information is useful in many different places. It's fun to apply anywhere and be open to using it
Another aspect of an INTJ asking "why do you ask?" is...there could be 20 different rabbit holes to go down, we need to pick the right one and focus! :D
That's INTP thinking. NE is hundreds of ideas, TI is "not narrowing it down because everything is so circumstantial"
Although I am now looking back and thinking you meant this slightly differently than interpreted and I sound like a jackass.
@@stampysquid53 Ti and Ni both ask this question in different ways. I'm not the best one to explain it but I've had the conversation a few times with others in the typology community that I respect. Ti, especially TiNe, takes it to a different extreme though XD
INTJ here. Love your guys’ podcast, I’ve listened to nearly 100 episodes over the past 6 months! You guys are awesome and I’ve learned so much. Much more to learn however, keep doing what you’re doing!
Thank you so much. You've actually made me understand a problem I have with Ti-user friend right now.
I still can't seem to determine if I am INTJ or INTP. The more I think about it, read and watch videos the more confused I get. I think I am INTJ but there are some things with motivation, taking in information that make me wonder. When it comes to how and what I share I determine based on the person and the environment. When I get too comfortable with a person basic trust the information shared sometime comes back to bite me.
It is confusing. I straddle the line between INTJ and INTP. I am also a Gemini. bwa ha ha
@16:50 Being an INTJ, I approve the point. It is absolutely true. Since INTJs hold information that is actionable and important, concealment kinda comes as a second nature. We know what information we have, we see its utility and we can easily see the future possibility of it being utilised. Plus we do not hold junk data often, so yeah. True.
I notice as an INTP I recheck my personal scripts continuously, seeing the same information over and over to create more fidelity and understanding
Oh, thank you for this video! The information you communicated (haha) was so on point and really highlighted certain details of both the processes. It really helped to distinguish between the two types of thinking and also (on a personal level) helped me to understand exactly why we sometimes disagree with my partner on what information each one share (and why I never can take easily the exact information I really need from him!) and also about the energy control! (He is the INTJ and I am the INTP). This was really illuminating for me. :D (So happy!)
There is so much to say about this interesting video. I'm rerunning it again. You are clearly describing my husband and I... lol 'Wisdom' is the patterns of knowledge. 'Knowledge' is the patterns of information. 'Information' is the patterns of data. Great model. I'm really feeling the pain of that social backlash today, so I'm happy to find this.
The code metaphor and the one about playing with outside world and then reconciling the model that’s inside was pretty accurate.
Great interaction and verbals/non-verbals. Content very valuable information to distill into knowledge and even wisdom. Thanks for all you do.
Oh my goodness, this is SO accurate; thank you!
I'm INTJ and my man has INTROVERTED thinking (ESFJ), and this has caused confusion between us, because he loves telling me stuff just for the sake of sharing information - just typing that makes me shrug my shoulders and wonder why, haha! - and I'd immediately tell him what needs to be done about it, and he couldn't for the life of him understand why I was doing that!
We had to create a "rule" whereby, when he tells me something and I then want to tell him what needs to be done about it, I first have to ask, "Do I need to do something with that, or was it only for information?" It's almost always only for information. So I just nod and smile and say thank you, and it's strangely liberating!
What you also explain about energy management is so incredibly true for the both of us.
Great video; much appreciated. :)
Thanks for your share. I'm with my man since almost 20 years now and we did the inverse rule... he have to think why he want to share information with me before he transmit me some sort of information (because with no apparent reason he could start to exaplain to me how waves are transmitted or how phone systems works and it pumps me soooo much energies !!! :P )... maybe your way is nicer !
Hahah, yes, let HIM think about his reasons for transmitting information - I like your style! :D
Lisa Cherry Beaumont almost the same exact experiences with my best friend's stepmother. I handle certain aspects of residential renovations for her on investment properties and with any particular task or step of one that becomes priority I inquire about the aesthetic decision (tile for floor/backsplash/shower, color paint to use on this or that, et cetera), intial condition/state of the work site, or any changes to one previously known in order to have what information is necessary to start and achieve a specific result;
Me: What tile?
Her: This tile for floor and this tile for walls
Me: OK, thanks
Her: I thought for the next house we do....... (not yet under contract so chance of this information never being needed) continues for 30 mins despite having made several brief (polite) notions that I needed to get to work..
Finally I'm able to proceed to pick up materials and get things done.
The other thing that plagues our professional relationship is offering sound reasonable advice for how to proceed or what to use in a particular situation regarding material type or Aesthetics of the material such as what a look of tile to go with or color of paint. As I base all of those things on what the house has already that's valuable to a realtor in terms of its theme and what people are typically going for nowadays and in the given area, and she'll shoot down so many ideas and pick things solely based on what she likes. And all in all that's fine whenever it just comes to what color something is or what design something is. But when it's a type of product where she could be losing value on what's being chosen and then it's going to take two or three times as long to complete... makes my brain feel like it's going to explode and drain out of my ears...
Haha, oh dear, yes, that all sounds pretty painful! A friend I was working alongside recently started asking about my tastes in music. I had to explain that I can either work or talk, lol. She understood completely as she's very familiar with MBTI but not everyone would have! Good luck with your colleague, Dustin; stay patient! :D
@@aperturedriven88 She is me...lol I immediately go to the entire big picture and long-range future view.
My husband is exhausted but there is hope...now...maybe
Just for a little idea of what she is doing. She is throwing her entire big picture view at you because it will matter to what you are asking but she is unable to put those thoughts into a six-word sentence. Intj's are not Hemingways.
Wow, it's so interesting to observe how still and focused the intj is. Those eyes!
this was excellent and easy to understand thanks for sharing/posting
Very helpful! Thank you!
As an INTP this is very helpful! Thanks!
As far as I can tell this is 100% accurate to both my experience as an INTP and my experiences with INTJs. Awesome work, and thank you.
Hi there! I am 33 years old and I have never heard about any of this until now when I stumbled upon this personality test on your site. When what I was really looking for was an Autism or Asperger's test. I always felt different as a child. And what's amazing now that I know I am an INTJ is, it all makes sense. The video explaining my results literally felt like for the first time in my life that I am understood. Seriously lifted my spirits. I grew up in a broken family. My father beat me when I was young and then left at the age of 4. I grew up with two brothers and my mother was always away at work to provide for us. So I never had a role model or any type of Parental Guidance or upbringing. Also feel like I lacked some development at an early age for communication because I rarely talked due to feeling different, belittled, under minded, underestimated. And then bullied for most of my grade school cuz I kept my mouth shut I wasn't quick to criticize or just be like anybody else looking for some sort of social gratification. And then right after high school I joined the military as a paratrooper United States Army. Travel the world some really dark combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still while feeling different and inadequate. I always felt like I was very smart but I could not explain it and I try not to boast and always tried to stay humble. Because I lacked a certain Social Development as a child from never talking I always struggle with explaining myself. But now I see why my mind operates the way it does thanks to your test. I always try to explain my thought process when gathering information as a pattern like a spider web how everything intertwines and nothing can be explain or Justified by one cause to an effect as most people claim to quickly jump on. I have always mastered everything I've ever attempted. I'm on the worship team at my church as a guitarist that I've been playing self-taught for 16 years. I always knew I lacked a certain part of music understanding. My worship leader at my church explained to me that it's beneficial to learn how to play the piano before my desired instrument of choice. So I start looking into music theory on TH-cam for about a week or two. And then grabbed a keyboard from a friend of mine and started learning. I have been playing for about 6 or 7 months now and everyone that I played for is astonished and in unbelief for how long I claimed to have been playing. I've been told it seems like I've been playing for my whole life. Not trying to boast here as I always try to remain humble but this sort of quick learning has been a part of everything I have ever attempted. I just love learning new things I can never stick to one thing which is why I have never landed at career, but have dabbled in almost every career field. It makes sense why I can easily sit in a dark room for hours just thinking and analyzing. and it feels so comfortable to do so to plan thoroughly before I make my next step and acting out or executing my plan. I struggle with relationships because argument seems to always go in circles. And it's not that I don't understand why it goes in circles, I just see the flaw within the lack of understanding from the person I may be arguing with the feel like it's impossible to get them to see their track of mind how to keep focused on the same points instead of bouncing around to win an argument. One thing I feel like I am most proficient in is finding a flaw in a functional system. And taking that flaw to try to bring it to light so that it can be corrected to optimize the function of the system. I just realized at this moment that I feel so comfortable explaining myself right now more than any time prior because I finally feel like I'm being understood for the first time. It's an amazing feeling thank you so much. I do want to learn more about how I can better myself but I am poor. I injured myself in the Army from wear and tear. My back is so messed up that I can throw my back out just loading a dishwasher. I just recently tried going to school to become a nurse. I took the entrance exam roughly 15 years from the last time I attended School and with no studying prior to taking the test. The teacher examined my results and told me she hasn't seen a score that high in a long time. Unfortunately my back pain was too much to handle and have decided not to pursue this career. I always thought that, with my social struggles in finding the right words, I might be Autistic or have Asperger's. I took a few diagnostic tests and I always fit right in the middle between average neurotypicals and average Asperger's. But now I realize exactly what it is. Again thank you very much.
Glad you stumbled on this, I similarly figured this out later in life and it is hard sometimes to be intj especially intj female. Grade school was terrible bc almost all teachers are S type and if you are INTX they literally think something is wrong with you and treat you accordingly. University was great bc most profs are NT or at least N. Now that you know your type you will understand why some people are alot easier for you to interact with versus others. My early life I tried really hard to be S type without knowing this bc that's the ideal in grade school. You just need to find your people and well developed types of any kind are also good.
Loved it. Thank you! Could you make another insight video on Ni and Ne?
you guys have helped me realize this whole time that t'm not an INTJ, but an INTP. holy shit.
Now that is a very accurate assessment regarding us INTP’s vs. INTJ’s like my partner. My hubby who tends to guard all the information tends to sometimes get annoyed with me, because like a typical INTP, I will not so readily withhold all the information that I express. I tend to be more forthcoming with my information thus causing some conflicts with my INTJ husband, whom feels people can misuse the info that I share
You guys are awesome.
Great video. Thanks
It's cool watching yall think
Hi guys. I’m an INTP and I can definitely relate to this. I also have Asperger Syndrome which is a higher functioning form of autism. Could you possibly do a video about mental disorders along with certain personality types? Socializing is even more crazy when you’re an autistic introverted teenager lol. Thanks for making this series. It will definitely help me understand myself more.
Antonia's explanation of data being 1s and 0s is actually really interesting to me because I'm a computer science major in school and binary is the fundamental basis of a computing. Alternating pulses of electricity. From there up you move into extreme levels of abstraction like binary -> circuits -> logic gates -> memory registers -> digital processors -> etc... all the way up to the personal computer I'm using to type this haha each higher level uses the previous as a building block
*talking about caring about the background of the video*
Me: ugh when’s the point coming?
Antonia: but the rest of you don’t. You just want to get to the point.
Me: i feel attacked
I feel understood
I'm an INTP, but I have reached a point where I can often tap into INTJ behaviour for INTJ reasons, and switch back in an instant.
Literally work with the whole spectrum of DIKW in my professional life. Information and knowledge management, business analysis, and now learning more about data science because I have strong opinions on best practice design of what data is collected and how and how it’s presented to yield insights.
The holidays are coming so in good INTJ fashion I’m trying to research and remember how to interact with all my different personality children.
@20:35 Always take note of what people are telling you when they're telling you something.
"When you tattle on someone you're not just telling on them, you're telling on yourself... and by tattling on someone, you're really just telling them, "I'm a tattletale"."
- Greg Brady.
Snowing here, beginning to think you live in my neighborhood. Sleepy INTJ here
I love his hair.
That last thing you brought up really gave it away I think. Until that point I wasn't really sure if I was an INTP or INTJ, but now I can see why I would class myself as an INTP just cause I love information and to learn more about lots of thing, even if there's no practicality in it. But there's a small thing I might not be as confident about and that is the energy draining from information gathering, here's I'm not very sure where I would fit in...
Im typed by others as INTP but thats just soo not the case, I'm INTJ. Known it for 9 months, this video just confirms it more.
On the "information can be weaponized" - great metaphor, let me just add this: I'm not necessarily that careful of what info I give out, I'm honest and sincere because if someone wants to use it against me, I will perceive that in a millisecond and start turning it against him. Its like - I can be very open and honest because I trust in my ability to win a battle if that should happen.
Be aware that even though your great ideas, efforts and projects might be protected by copyright, contract or other, the US legal system often goes with the deepest pockets. So be cautious of enthusiastic brain-picking advocates, document everything and, as you said, be prepared to win the battle but I would add, unfortunately, know that you still may lo$e the war.
Once, when I was 14 years old, I was starting two parallel friendships (as I perceived them at that time, but let's say they were in reality just amicable social relationships) and I wanted to know who I could trust. So I shared two different pieces of information with those two people and waited to see which piece would surface later in public discussions.
Omg you sound so egocentric+arrogant
I would not want to have you as friend
*Sigh*, the Ti-Te thing... Being an INTP I once casually told an ESTJ (Te dom) some ideas that I was having about something she holds very dear. In return I got a lecture about how I need to learn much more about it before acting on it. And I'm sitting there thinking "but, but, that's not the point, I don't want to enact, I'm just thinking out loud..."
I'm an INTJ and my brother is INTP. This is very interesting!
For all tests I take, I'm an intp. But I too see all information as actionable, given that the information fits my current internal patterns. Not sure if this is a result of what I do professionally but what you describe as intj reflects me but I score as intp. I am also careful about the information I dish out. When a colleague asks for information I always ask "what is the problem you're trying to solve" before I give the information. I find that people ask me for data and often they're asking the wrong questions and/ or will use the data to solve the problem in a less than ideal way.
I find that I also ask people for data in bits and pieces and when I don't outright say what the problem is, when they ask for more background I explain it without an issue but when I ask for background before giving out data, the person asking often gets annoyed and thinks I don't trust them
lol my INTJ bestie is VERY cautious with her info 😂 like "even if we're close, don't ask about personal thing if i don't open the conversation first... i'll be asking myself why? what are you gonna do, asking that?", and "wherever i am, i prefer to sit with the wall on my back so i can be vigilant", "in elementary school when exchanging biodata i always fill my data as dry and general as possible". I shared her an instagram post about social-tech business idea and she spit out possibilities on how others may use it to gaslight people, and i was like "whoa you have VERY LOW trust in humanity, huh 🤣".. so it's very funny seeing this side of her being explained in this video - infp
I'm definitely an INTP, I gather information because I feel compelled to. Yet oddly, when taking a Myers Briggs test I always get mistakenly scored as an INFP, I don't think I would ever be mistaken for an INTJ. My mind shows all internal traits of an INTP yet on the surface it seems to pose as an INFP. I suppose it works for me though, people are more likely to be open with an INFP.
My model is nearing completion!
I have never really given MBTI a whole lot of validity as far as assessments go. Graduate school in rehabilitation counseling focused very little on Jung’s personality indicators themselves, and more on why they could not be accurate within psychoanalysis and clinical psychology due to the low level of understanding Jung would have had, regarding personality, at the time he hypothesized the different types. Also, it was pointed out that very little attempt at pursuing any amount of qualitative or even quantitative data, was made after the hypothesis was formed.
But the accuracy of INTP to my life is absolutely undeniable. I am happy to say that I do not see MBTI as just another typecasting tool, meant to make people feel as if they belong to or subscribe to a certain set of parameters, which somehow give those people meaning... Much like a horoscope did to so many before those believers were finally pointed to the fact that the zodiac signs and meanings were developed by people who thought that the stars revolved around a flat Earth, and likely truly did feel that the star combinations truly represented Gods, rather than random bunches of stars which would obviously change in appearance by simply switching their location in the universe in comparison to those stars... Your analysis of the MBTI has put this once easily dismissible personality assessment at the top of my radar for a while. Thanks again.
It is unreliable in psychology because of the demon functions. Which are the inverse of the regular functions and are often displayed during mental illness. Take negative self worth as a symptom, this can exchange Fe to Fi and cause the INTP to be overly self critical without being aware as it is also the inferior function.
Just now:
Wife: "please come here and tell me which seats we should book on the airline"
Me: "uh, 37 a and b?"
Wife: "You're boring I'm making it 32"
Me: "So what did you ask me?!?!?!?"
Hey guys! Suspected INTJ here. I don't really relate to the idea of keeping information private as a way of passively managing people. I do however hedge the living heck out of most assertions I make with words like "often", "seems", "can" and the like. I'm passing the information over but couching it in uncertainty such that my own back is covered should the recipient encounter negative consequences from its application.
This may be a fear-based strategy (see what I did there?) but also may be a way of respecting other people's autonomy.
"X" is a trend I know about. Do what you like with that; you are your own boss.
Micah Long I do this as well. It's mostly a desire to be accurate, there are definitely applications where I hedge to lessen negative consequences
I am equal parts INTP and INFP. Not a hint of INTJ. Sometimes one dominates the other. Both perspectives get weighed in the balance. Double work? More conflict? Probably. I learn by piecing the data and information into a framework that I can use, organized from the general to the specific. I love information for informations sake. The more the merrier for building understanding and wisdom. I hope to gain insights into both leveraging my strengths and learning how to communicate better with other personality types. I would have joined earlier, but I have had to pay education expenses and money is not a motivation for me. I look for challenging work without considering the rate of pay. Thank both of you for your work here. I don't usually comment or give feedback as my thirst for knowledge is unquenchable coupled with more extreme introversion. I have to put on the extroversion act to work and have learned to enjoy that challenge, but must quickly retire to the inner sanctuary. I am probably an enigma to others. I have 2 friends only but am rarely lonely. I love people and hate the idea of having to influence their thinking or being. I like to know people for who they are rather than try to change their minds. I have very strong principles, integrity, and beliefs. My desire is to grow without changing the good qualities I have been given. Hopefully, we can work together soon. I truly appreciate all that you do.
I find this very true. I’m going into nursing and I definitely need to be on a floor where I 100% KNOW the steps I need to take and will have the time to act. I imagine an INTP would do better in the emergency room because you can bare to troubleshoot. -INTJ
I just got read. This is uncharted territory.
Met you guys in New York.
I unlocked my phone to see the video after not caring about your outfit came up :)
Concerning information dissemination, I had a lady I peripherally knew was a gossip ask me how much I was making at one point in my career. I instinctively assumed she wanted the information to apply to her life/career (as she had a complementary but different job) so I told her and then went about my day. A few days later my supervisor called me into her office to tell me that they had to move me down to the technically correct lower pay scale because someone had complained...while I never confronted her, I was quite hurt by this. I have at least learned to keep personal information private.
I will take your data into consideration. No need to act precipitously.
I've actually lately been working to figure out and adjust to my ENFP partner's use of Te. When I discuss data and putting it out there to play with she may shut it down in a "I'm not ready for that" kind of way or if she brings up a point and I expand on that point she may say "yeah, that's what I just said." To me, as an INTP, I want to continue to play with the data and since I consider her part of my inner reality I include her but I know she doesn't think that way. So it's been a bit of challenge.
A psychologist gave me the test... I went thru it 3 times before the psychologist determined I was both intj and intp. If this video is true at all, I am, because I do both.
You should research it for yourself and not trust another to test you. Watch intp's and other types talk. Whom do you relate to? Understand what each of the Meyers Briggs letters mean. Decide after you've gathered the date. Tests and other people are unreliable.
It's very interesting listening to both of you talk about these types regardless of what my type is. Quite useful to know this stuff when interacting with those around you.
It's funny how different these types are despite people thinking they're similar because of the INTx. Looking at it functionally really brings the differences to the surface.
I'd view an INTP as a typical nerd and an INTJ more as a scientist. One loves learning a buncha random stuff to share with others while the other loves applying their ideas towards whatever their vision is.
These kinds of videos are so important because this is such a big topic of confusion in the community: Am I INTJ or INTP? Am I INFP or INFJ? Common problem. I was in it myself, typed as INTJ, then INTP (???), then back to INTJ. For me, it is very difficult to explain what Ni is. How I see the world. What my 'inner images' are. Because I don't believe in them so strongly unless I have empirical evidence (Te). So one can easily get stuck in a loop where one seeks to rationalize those inner images through logic, appearing very Ti as an INTJ. INTJ:s are great at Ti, just as INTP:s are great at Ni. Look at Newton [intj] and his Calculus (Ti) or Einstein [intp] and his madly wise metaphorical quotes (Ni). (by the way, this is based on an eight-function model). So who am I, INTJ or INTP? For me, it clarified when analyzing the flow state and how deeply within myself I'm a spiritual person (Ni) and I use a lot of logic and mathematical thinking, but it's more in a persona role or to achieve a goal (supporting Te to Ni). //TB
Thank you, great share.
I'm open with information, except with another INTP.
I wonder why that is.
INTPs are able to create and uphold false realities of themselves and tend to do so whenever it causes external harmony.
INTPs also are able to recognize instantly when someone is being disgenuine.
My tip would be to come clean about ALL of the fake realities you have created for yourself and this person to heal the relationships.
INTP here. As a kid I would watch medical mystery documentaries and then be like, "God this is so apparent the issue is xyz..how is it I as a kid can already see and they can't. What morons!" and at the end the narrator would be like "the doctors were shocked, the diagnosis was xyz" because I had already categorized and stored information pertaining to human biology and immunology and could recall it from the code I had already written per my understanding of the subject matter. It baffled me that these so called scientists and doctors didn't clearly see the problem or the solution from the data already present for them. Now I understand not everyone works this way and it has helped me be less critical of others, because they literally do not work that way. I can cut them some slack. It's helped me be less of an unhealthy INTP.
Looking more for differentiating between INTP and INFP. I’ve read tons on it...including Psychological Types, and I still relate to both Ti and Fi as ego types and resist both Fe and Te mentality.
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INTP dominant function is TI and FE is inferior.
INFP dom. Fxn is FI and inf. TE.
Please look at function stacks here.
When the dominant function is Ti, everything is a valuable piece of information. An INTP has the lowest threshold for emotion.
Fi assigns emotional context to everything. An INFP is the most feely type. (highest threshold)
Hello, INTP here... I can’t stop wondering why it is that INTx are among the rarest personality categories, yet somehow it seems that a very high percentage of individuals I discuss the MBTI with, claim to be one or the other. As an INTP, I feel as if these “posers” are taking something from me. I understand that this is a ridiculous notion, but for some reason, the worth of my personality type is lacking due to these (often overwhelmingly extroverted), and I end up building a resentment because of it... HA. Illogical emotional response, but come on, I want to be special damn it...
Also, would you say that INTPs tend to be longer winded when it comes to writing? I have a hell of a time keeping my text messages to less than an essay’s worth of explanation... In dating, I often come off as needy... And perhaps I am. I guess I am just wondering if this is a trait found in other INTPs or is simply due to my individual, nurture based experiences...
“Nurture based experiences”... I suppose that is pretty redundant... I suppose I meant to ask if INTP’s are naturally needy in relationships, or if needy behavior is simply a product of more evolving processes which occurs throughout life...?
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Both of these responses (neediness and feeling possessive re:mbti) can likely be attributed to low Fe manifesting itself as insecurity seeking validation. Intps also tend to get ticked off by logical inconsistencies & falsehoods, so seeing others displaying what you percieve to be "incorrect" intp traits can be annoying. Intps extrovert abstractly. Organized, internal Ti is expressed through Ne, leading to rambling, a common trait among others with high Ne. Our intj friends are much more concise.
Mbti and the internet tend to draw a disproportionate amount of inxx due to being an abstract thinking exercise with little face -to-face social interaction. Intj's are frequently mistyped as people tend to latch on and aspire to their "edgy evil mastermind" archetype, providing an excuse to praise themselves for being misanthropic assholes. However, mbti's usefulness is not in telling you what youre good at, but rather revealing where you are weakest that you may better yourself. You could certainly benefit from researching more into how low Fe manifests in Intps and taking steps to becoming a more rounded, stable person.
"Posers" lol. Yeh INTPs tend to describe things in long-winded ways covering for possible errors and nestling in contigency.
As another commenter mentioned, low Fe manifests differently for INTP individuals. I’ll give an example of how mine personally manifest itself in my life.
When I date people, I don’t act clingy since I tend to reserve my emotional investment until I feel comfortable enough. Rather, I get infatuated easily. My brain idealizes the person and makes me see them with roses-tinted glasses. I had to learn to stop doing this and found ways to dissuade my infatuation tendencies, so I can really get to know the person as they are.
In social situations, I can come off as quite bubbly. I might be considered a poser according to how you see it, but I think for me, I use my Ne to crack jokes with people. I use my Fe, albeit inefficiently, to try to find their sense of humor, and adapt myself to that. It’s really a hit or miss. But when I do find what the other person’s humor is, I use my Ne and find all sorts of things to joke about. I like to bond with people over laughs.
There is a more cynical side to my low Fe in social situations though. I usually come off as very interested in people I don’t quite know. This is to get people to open up. HOWEVER, if I deem this person boring or not worth talking to, then I slowly or abruptly stop talking to them.
I’ve gotten negative reactions, though not overtly express, from people because of this. I like to talk about all sorts of things, and can get really bored of talking about one thing for prolong periods of time. A social example of how my Ne manifests:
* My friend and I discussed the nervous system’s role in how raw animal meat (muscles) contract as though it’s still alive.
* I then proceed to talk about how chickens are able to run around after their heads had been chopped off.
* Next, I start talking about the beheadings of French aristocrats from XYZ century, and how despite their severed neck, reports were written of how their faces still creepily blinked and expressed terrorized emotions as their bloody heads lay on the floor.
* At this point, my friend is laughing her butts off at the weird direction the conversation went. We then took a sharp turn and discussed if she was allergic to ocean water or not.
I hope I was able to give you a different perspective or insight of how functions manifest differently for every INTP you may meet. Sorry, if this comment was very long.
Intx are just the type to value these kinds of assessments more as possible truth than personal unresearched opinions about personality tendencies. Smart guys studied this and they outweigh my opinions about the matter as I am not in the same field of study. Int guys are less egotistic and would tend to favor logic that in this case this classification is better than opinions of people in different fields and is the best option to be used as reference on personality up to a professional level like employment. Int guys are attracted to reliable sources which this can be considered to be. Sorry for my loco English. Not my primary dialect.
Can you please make a video on INTJ shadow functions? I’ve come across information which states the INTJ shadow is an unhealthy ESFP and also opposing information which states an INTJ shadow is an unhealthy ENTP. Thanks in advance.
Software Programmer use Te for Picture Detail then Ti to collect how to Code work for complete Te.
I just need to point out that, in the case of the INTJ, Te logic doesn't necessarily need to be applicable to the outside world. As, we need to remeber that rhe is a Ni dominant meaning that Te first and foremost serves rhis introverted intuition.
There is a strong element of externality in the logical mindset of the Te-user, sure, but internal visions and background are given more time and space. External use Se turns out relevant eventually.
Also, Te Doesn't need to be applied today to the outside world even if our mind can see a future application. A great deal of my life has been spent in gathering data, creating patterns and then visualizing how to use all that in the outside world. Most of the time I didn't have the resources to realize my mental creations. I have found that writing science fiction has given me the open door to make things happen in my own universe, even when I can't do it in the real one. (Then again, which is the real one. :-) )
Exactly. When percieving the world, we have two channels for conceiving it: Ni, which is dominant and Se, which is inferior. So, INTJ sees the world mostly in a internal, relativistic fashion. But, Te can be used for both of them.
I don't need an example, because while you were talking I was thinking: "Ooh, taking in more information could actually benefit me. I should change my behavior." Guess what type I am.
Very interesting series you're doing there. INTJ here, wondering what that kanji in the background means.
Aegon Targaryen it means LOVE
rainbobo Thank you.
When a programmer writes a section of code, the INTP would trap for errors immediately for any data input, ie.if the input should be an even nbr, the INTP coder would test the input immediately to see if dividing by 2 yields a whole nbr. He would not want to waste process time on bad input.
My result is INTJ/P and at times I act like INTP but if I behave for a long time lNTP then I get restless so I act interchangeably.
Made sense when they said the INTP is loose lipped about information. At first i didn't understand why that'd be a bad thing....thaaannn i thought about how i can randomly tell someone how to make a chemical weapon just for fun facts⚠️🤓
I have gone through the test 3 times and got INTJ twice and INTP once is there a way I’m sort of split between the two? The questions on the test are so general I find it hard to answer without knowing more information or sharing some nuance to my position.
Go to the Briggs-Meyer site and when you take the test, they will give you a percentage of where you stand in each area. I straddle the line of Judging and Perceiving at 47%. Don't think black and white. Think strengths and weakness.
Tell us how to get along!!! 😂 The way “we” (I.e., INTPs and INTJs) process information differently can be a major source of conflict when introducing “new” Ni concepts that the INTP is not ready or willing to receive and the INxJ needs/wants to info share. Then conflict ensues because maladaptive coping and negotiating happens then egos get hurt and next thing we know... wow, this isn’t working.
I'm watching this because I get both INTP and INTJ in tests. And when I get those results often the percent versus Percieve and Judgement isn't that far from each other. ( ie. 51% Perciever, 49% Judger).
You are likely an INTP because INTPs tend to be so neutral on all the functions and use them all at around the same level. Which is the problem with typing and self reported tests. You NEED to use the function stacks to actually type yourself.
SO, what I got from this is as an INTJ:
INTP's do DI really well and need it to function, but aren't as interested in the KW the data is open-ended.
While, INTJ's just sort through the DI for patterns to apply to the KW, a means to an end.
INTJ's and INTP's, need to develop the other end of the DIKW for better balance. TY.
As an intj who is interested in an intp guy, this information was gold💀🤡😭
When I need to know something that is to fit an immediate need, I function like an INTJ in the research. I have a search criteria
When I haven't any relevant demands for a task before me.... like when I am on vacation, I don't vet anything. I am content just to learn something along the lines of current interests. It then becomes like Bill Gates taking books with him on his boat as a form of relaxation and mental stimulation.
I that my INTJ hubby sometimes get annoyed with me, being the INTP, as I tend to frequently vet all the bad information. Lol
Hi! Very interested in INTPs and how we deal with the world every day. I have a question that has been going around my head for weeks, is it possible that someone shifts from one type to another? Is it possible for someone to mutate or evolve into other personality types?
Cheers!
I've found that people who switch tend to align somewhere around the 60/40 mark for an attribute. Depending on circumstance or how a question is phrased you may identify more with one side or the other.
Meanwhile, someone who is STRONGLY identifying with something (70~80% or more) is less likely to flip flop.
Over the course of your life you'll also develop as a person causing you to shift slightly (or drastically in rare cases), meaning you'll start to value different ways of functioning.
In short? Yes, it is possible. But it's not necessarily about a moment to moment shift as much as noticing persisting patterns shifting over a period of years. Individual circumstances may simply cause you to go about it differently which isn't a basis to define a shift in your personality.
So I have a probable INTP friend who is like a fire hydrant spewing out information out of his vast, mental warehouse of collected knowledge. But it is often a deluge of information that is some vast network of data points that he is collecting currently or a bunch of stuff that I accidently set off some how. But the fact that though all this stuff coming out of his mouth is information, it, not being anything relevant to what I am trying to accomplish is NOT considered actionable and is therefore a TOTAL waste of my time. Now, if by chance he could see what I was working on or asked me what I was working on AND THEN spewed out his plethora of RELEVANT data points, I might be prone to turn on a recording device for him to talk in (unbeknownst to him), while I mentally march towards my goal. Making him a temporarily, pragmatic INTP (temporarily) helping me towards my practical INTJ endgame. Right or wrong?
For what you say, it seems like INTJs (perhaps, all Js) would self-pres in the instincts of the enneagram, while INTPs (again, perhaps all Ps) more likely to be sexuals. In my case, it's correct (INTP 5sx).
INTP here, never got into the ennegram too much. Can you elaborate on self pres vs sexual thing you mentioned? I'm not sure what your comment meant.
Cheers
Self-pres fits better with J (most self-pres I know in my family are indeed J), whereas sexual fits better with high sensation seeker, which I think corresponds to Ps.
INTJ = what, when, where, who. INTP = why
Energy.. INTJ = doing. INTP = considering.. which of course seems like procrastination. The INTJ 'judged' the course of action and took it. The INTP, took their sweet time to consider every possible direction or avenue before taking a course of action.
data = debris
information = construct/context
knowledge = applied as abstraction across domains
wisdom = .. across time
DATA : DEBRIS . thats a slickdifferation.
To all of our casualties!.
I'm always trying to tell him , Information will cost you but advise free
INTJ with INTP best friend.. how do I ask questions without getting 'what do you mean?' instead of an answer. It can be the most clear straightforward question.. I still get 'what do you mean?'. Also, how do I keep him on the point of a conversation? I will talk about something, trying to resolve it.. and he goes off on a tangent that has nothing to do with my point and then to excuse himself says 'I was just saying' 😖
Slightly off topic, but not really.😬 so how do you account for people with personality disorders or mental disorder like NPD or codependent people. Does this effect their car models slight . I’ve seen a NPD go in and out of narcissistic personality and ESTJ traits. Weird as one ball y’all. Yes Kentucky boy here. 😬🤯🤷🏿♂️
Hi Kboy, Tennessee Lady here. I'm working on figuring this all out. I believe when a disorder shows up, it's time to look at Maslow. If we get stuck on survival or safety then we cannot move up to love/belonging or esteem. Some people get stuck or some achieve a temporary step up but the addiction/illness sabotages the best efforts. INTJ out. Sun Tzu saysDon't forget me.
One thing that seems to be skipped is that the distinction between the 2 is more pronounced at lower aptitudes.
The higher the aptitude of the responder, the more they work both of these angles simultaneously. At IQ 100, they are very different. At IQ 130, the difference is very blurry. At IQ 160, there is no meaningful way to differentiate, because you're outside of the testable range.
Info is vetted first with INTJ, right? The truthfulness of information is trapped for first.
INTJ when writing code, may need knowledge about say how to add an object, method etc. In this search they will sift through information and books faster knowing the code that the add on has to couple with. So in their research they will have a grid in front of them to help wade through the possibilities that could actually work. While the INTP might stop and think through stuff he comes across and say to himself that this could come to play in another life ...I mean he might analyze info on penguins because the info was unique, even though the code has nothing to do with penguins.
OK I thought the INTPs desire to immediately vet information was synonymous to the statement that INTJs desire "to measure twice and cut once." So I thought that there was a sort of logical conflict there.
I’m not sure I follow.
I find confusing a few things.
The perception that leads to data input is not all conscious. Most isn’t. The filter(s) that allow particular data to organise into the field of consciousness as information may differ. Probably that is the point of divergence between the two styles, though nothing takes shape in the conscious that cannot be linked somehow to information already present there, especially the bits of information that have already been validated (primarily internally or primarily seemingly externally) and raised to the level of knowledge. Even a newborn, I believe, comes with several preset cognitive schemes that determine the filtering of data and gelling it into information. The system will, then, validate the free floating information against internal models and/ or seemingly external environment and keep it as knowledge which is necessarily linked to an already existing structure of other bits of knowledge.
Probably both INTJ and INTP keep the information, though they might do different things in different ways with it. From that point onwards and upwards we are talking about other processes including metacognition, volition, valorisation, social contextualisation, using emotive information etc. ‘Bad data’ for example, has a strong evaluative component and that cannot ever be associated with the data/ information in question which is new. I don’t think you can use ‘good’ or ‘bad’ in relation to data. Data is data, is raw. Same with information which is, per se, neutral- until becomes tested against criteria such as ‘usefulness’, ‘accuracy’. The ‘knowledge’ is more of a function ascribed to information, a function that is part of a constellation of functions ‘good’, ‘bad’, ‘useful’, ‘outdated’, ‘accurate’ etc.
I’m not sure that there are 100% external patterns because nobody would recognise any pattern that is not, at least in part, similar to internal patterns. And there’s no such a thing as external information-once perceptual data enters the brain is there. All data that doesn’t gel into information is perceived by the existing internal system as external. Maybe that’s why we cannot see what’s not already inside our head 😄
Using the information (that is completely vetted or in the process of being vetted as knowledge) to affect some change in the external environment is a matter of choice, it’s a decision which can be ‘wise’ or not. But what is ‘wise’? 😄 My cognitive circuit that I apply to give this value to information and knowledge might be very different from yours; these evaluative packages are socially constructed, thus more recent on the evolutionary scale and with a much weaker link to biological, hence one would expect much more variation. For me, wisdom is not a matter of social consensus. Social appropriateness, yes, it’s a cultural collective agreement, but wisdom isn’t.
I have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about, but it was fun to imagine how I would empathise with a robot 😄
Fun question- was Plato an INTP (Parmenides and Timaeus) or an INTJ (The Republic and The Laws)? 🤔
Thanks for the video, by the way. Interesting food for thought. 🙂
Hey Joel, put your arm around Antonia's shoulder instead of putting it on the chair. Is it you or Antonia? Is it me, INFJ, or can Antonia also would like? I think Joel would really want to do so.
INTP withhold information because they don't want people to use that information against the INTP, YES!!
I usually asks ... “what do you mean”?
Knowledge is calling a tomato a fruit.. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
This guy is in Foo Fighters?
I gotta get a bracelet or something that says that: INTJ - Measure twice, cut once.
yes omg.. but y'know 'people' just to just have fun and hack and slash at stuff.
I think in order to be a healthy INTJ its important to know when one option is more favorable than the other.
If hacking at a fruit like an idiot promotes bonding and social fun. Let it be and efficiency be damned, also nature be damned in how we might be wasting food. but its for the kids..
Intj here. Career...behavior analyst. 🤣🤣🤣