Sometimes, very occasionally, I forget how dark the history of each city-state truly can be. Thank you for that reminder, that we might reflect on these errors in the hopes of avoiding them in future.
So weird that we (as players) found out about Ul'dah's action against Sil'dih during the Hildibrant quest line. One of the darkest acts in the game told in one of the games most light-hearted story arcs.
@@josephgregorowicz5135 Cause that knowledge was smothered along with everything else. Plus the survivors didn't want people knowing they lived out of fear of Ul'dah silencing them.
As someone who considers their in game home to be Ul'dah, thank you for consolidating information like this! I already knew about the traders spurn, that Little Ladies Day was connected in their history in some way, and that the line of Ul was not always there. It was shocking to learn that Thorne was a Hyur too. Excellent lecture :)
Thank you for the heads up about the echo. I think it is something that people glance over. But having a door open to hearing or seeing the past what expose you to terrible horror. It's a wonder that people with echo aren't driven absolutely insane or treated as such by their neighbors.
I REALLY love the dedication, hard work and awesome lore that this channel provides about the game. The videos are all very masterfully made and are full of great information.
you know i always thought the city states history was dark and cruel but none to me matched the horror that visited sil'dah thank you for showing us this tragic chapter
I truly love this channel and the content you put out - the lore of this game is so interesting, and you always present it in an engaging way. Keep it up! :)
So, I’m going to record my thoughts here. The first thought was “Oh wow I had no idea that Aethericyte crytal network had such a history and danger.” My character might be a little more hesitant about using them. I don’t always use them because sometimes I do prefer to run and admire the scenery. But I admit that I knew the horrific fate of Sil’Dah at the hands of the undead plague. But I didn’t know that the location of Ul’dah was built on that site. And I freely admit that history plays a part in why Ul’dah is my least favourite city or city-state in FF14 that I’ve been to so far. But there are other reasons such asthat I don’t like the Syndicate having the real authority. If a group of citizens are to rule then it needs to be a fair sampling of the population. Rich, poor, noble, commoner, merchant or people from all the castes, and racially balanced. Lalafell, Hyur and every race that has a decent population in Ul’dah by percentage. I don’t like the obsession of money and tying it into a measure of someone’s worth. Oh and how I hate the corruption that permeates it at every level. All that being said it’s still an interesting place. Limsa Lominsa is my favourite but with Gridania not far behind. Since I’m only lvl 66 Smn, Sch and Whm in the early stage of Stormblood I can’t yet judge places like Doma or Ala Mhigo. But judging from what I’ve heard about other places I seriously doubt that I’d like Sharlaya
Continued… Much at all. I can see how that might be a bit ironic since the Scions are Sharlayan, but they’re of a much different breed that chose to stay in Eorzea. But the actual Old Sharlaya seems, is very reclusive, spoilt and selfish nation. They seem to really think that they are vastly superior to anyone and they hoard knowledge and wisdom and they collect and don’t share it.
@@mikoto7693 Without going into spoilers, Sharlayan does have an assortment of reasons for their positions. What those reasons are, I will let you discover through playtime.
Many of the things that you depise Ul'Dah for, is what absolutely makes it my favorite city-state. I hate how it was established, but some of the ways people learned, whistleblew, and atoned for past mistakes have been phenomenal for an entire nation to be doing at once, and I love that. The skeletons this nation harbors are literally walking around instead of locked in a closet for people to never find out even if they wanted to. In that manner, I feel like as despicable and unforgivable the nation had been, they try to be honest about it and DO better. The fact that a Thorne *descendant* relinquished power back to a once hated crown family at the behest of their ancestor's word is INCREDIBLE to me. There is no way to know if a descendant will follow dying wishes, and when power is involved, they often don't. But this? Mind blowing for me. I also have an affinity for Ul'Dah as it reflects almost everything I go through in my day to day city living in real life. Capitalism? Check. Slavery? Internship. Loan sharks? Payday Loans. Genocide no one talks about? Absolutely. Racism? Lol, not even a question. But despite all the grime and gunk, you find people in life like the Thornes, Raubahn, Pippin, Rose, Momodi, Godbert, Nanamo, the carriage driver, and so many others that make the city worth living and believing in. I love this broken, dirty, messed up city-state. I hope it continues to spin sand into these people of gold. ❤ Edit: Lala names. :3
I loved this video. It was very informative and interesting. Lots of things check out as I recall some things from my playthrough including hildibrand's quest line. I could like it more if there was some visual citation of sorts where things like this were found out however.
@@SynodicScribe Yeah - there’s a reason why you are to never trust a Lalafell - especially any male Lalafell not named Papamylo. Though, the Sultana has figured out how to keep Lord Lolorito on her side.
@@SynodicScribe no kidding. The pirates murdered *hundreds of baby sahagin*, and that was just one day's work. But what was done to Sil'dih must definitely take the cake for atrocities, as far as the 6th eras go... Unless there's some even more heinous shit going on with Gridania and Ala Mihgo. I don't know of anything that quite reaches this level and scale of horror in a single conscious act. I mean how do you beat "extinguishing an entire civilization in a single night of horror by turning their own dead family members into monsters leaving a plague of undeath that taints the land hundreds of years later"?
@@marcog.verbruggen674 Ala Mhigo is guilty of some nasty business. Honestly Gridanians are usually the victims of other people's bull shit instead of starting something. That's mostly because doing anything heinous would be frowned upon by the elementals.
...Even though this was the first city that I came to, and it's where the FC I'm part of is based out of...I've never liked Ul'dah. It's always seemed...So rife with corruption. And now, learning that it unleashed a genocidal plague of undead at one point? Yiiiiiikes. ._.
They look like most other Belah'dia ruins these days since all their resources and assets were moved. You can thank the wars, Garlemald and a big chested dragon for that.
@@SynodicScribe Thank you for the response! Love your videos and recommend them to all my friends! As for my question... iirc, the Hyurs weren't native to Eorzea. So I didn't know if they were there already.
@@admwmr There's evidence that places the hyur in Eorzea as far back as the 3rd Astral Era. So it's fair to assume they've been around the block enough times to be in Mhach at some point.
Oof, that is so dark. My starting City was Ul'Dah, but I never took much of a shine to it and joined the Maelstrom and consider Limsa Lominsa my home. I know Limsa has it's own shadows, but I'd rather indulge my rogue's heart there than a city built on genocide.
I basically did the same thing, but I dont like limsa either because of their vilification and hostility towards native peoples (sahagin and kobolds). Eorzea has so much horrifying history and current politics that I have little love for it
Your explanation of the origins of the Arbiters of Truth seems to run counter to the role they're shown to play in the final set of ARR Hildibrand quests, where it seems they've dedicated themselves to hiding the truth of Sil'dih and the Traders Spurn and reestablishing Sasagan's propaganda as the common understanding of events. Is it known when this change in the group's goal happened, perhaps something you'll cover in part 2?
That'll be covered in part 2. Honestly, the stunt that the Hildibrand quest pulled regarding the Arbiters created a couple continuity errors I'm gonna have to dance around. So please bare with me. lmao
@@SynodicScribe I'd be interested in hearing where else these continuity errors stem from. The only places I've come across mentions of Sil'dih in my time playing the game as far as I can recall right now have been from Hildibrand as previously mentioned, and prior to that from Erik in the MNK quest line when asking him about the topic has him convey the false version of events, implying that the common belief in modern Eorzea is indeed in line with the Sultan's propaganda and that this wouldn't be some oddity with just the Hildibrand story. I'm really looking forward to what you have to say on the topic in part 2!
@@Andyjoe522 Long story short. People accepted the Dynasty of Thorne because of what happened with Sil'dih, but over the hundreds of years after the fact, the false news that Sasagan created was accepted as the truth. This was due to the fact that Baldurf wanted knowledge of Trader's Spur on a need to know basis only, and the common folk didn't need to know, hence why no one can remember it. But this is also why he created the Arbiters, since he knew that the truth might get erased given time. Technically he was right and that did happen, but the Arbiters were only meant to be knowledge keepers, not judges. Making Cecy's actions extreme and dangerous in the hildbrand quest. And that's all I'll say on that until part 2.
Sometimes, very occasionally, I forget how dark the history of each city-state truly can be. Thank you for that reminder, that we might reflect on these errors in the hopes of avoiding them in future.
Yeah Ul'dah's "good" years was back when it was Belah'dia. It's only during the Thorne Dynasty that it became a place worthy of respect. lol
@@SynodicScribeThose were the ones who buried that slave revolt under tons of rock, right? I remember having to clean that up...
So weird that we (as players) found out about Ul'dah's action against Sil'dih during the Hildibrant quest line. One of the darkest acts in the game told in one of the games most light-hearted story arcs.
Right? I felt I needed to make this video just to remind people that it wasn't a joke, that these things did in fact happen. lmao
@@SynodicScribe So...with that knowledge, why did we not acknowledge that there WERE survivors from Sil'dih, albeit very very very few?
@@josephgregorowicz5135 Cause that knowledge was smothered along with everything else. Plus the survivors didn't want people knowing they lived out of fear of Ul'dah silencing them.
I'm literally in this story for the first time, right now. I'm glad to see this!
As someone who considers their in game home to be Ul'dah, thank you for consolidating information like this! I already knew about the traders spurn, that Little Ladies Day was connected in their history in some way, and that the line of Ul was not always there. It was shocking to learn that Thorne was a Hyur too. Excellent lecture :)
I was always confused about the part of history with the Thorne Dynasty. Glad to hear you explain that part and how the Ul line continued from there.
Thank you for the heads up about the echo.
I think it is something that people glance over.
But having a door open to hearing or seeing the past what expose you to terrible horror.
It's a wonder that people with echo aren't driven absolutely insane or treated as such by their neighbors.
I REALLY love the dedication, hard work and awesome lore that this channel provides about the game. The videos are all very masterfully made and are full of great information.
Ah yes time for my “oh shit that’s fucked up” moment for the day
Always such good content. It is soul crushing to see you not as popular as you should be. Please keep making content. Take care of you first though!
you know i always thought the city states history was dark and cruel but none to me matched the horror that visited sil'dah thank you for showing us this tragic chapter
Dude I love these videos. Thanks for the content brother.
I truly love this channel and the content you put out - the lore of this game is so interesting, and you always present it in an engaging way. Keep it up! :)
So, I’m going to record my thoughts here. The first thought was “Oh wow I had no idea that Aethericyte crytal network had such a history and danger.” My character might be a little more hesitant about using them. I don’t always use them because sometimes I do prefer to run and admire the scenery.
But I admit that I knew the horrific fate of Sil’Dah at the hands of the undead plague. But I didn’t know that the location of Ul’dah was built on that site. And I freely admit that history plays a part in why Ul’dah is my least favourite city or city-state in FF14 that I’ve been to so far. But there are other reasons such asthat I don’t like the Syndicate having the real authority. If a group of citizens are to rule then it needs to be a fair sampling of the population. Rich, poor, noble, commoner, merchant or people from all the castes, and racially balanced. Lalafell, Hyur and every race that has a decent population in Ul’dah by percentage. I don’t like the obsession of money and tying it into a measure of someone’s worth. Oh and how I hate the corruption that permeates it at every level. All that being said it’s still an interesting place.
Limsa Lominsa is my favourite but with Gridania not far behind. Since I’m only lvl 66 Smn, Sch and Whm in the early stage of Stormblood I can’t yet judge places like Doma or Ala Mhigo.
But judging from what I’ve heard about other places I seriously doubt that I’d like Sharlaya
Continued…
Much at all. I can see how that might be a bit ironic since the Scions are Sharlayan, but they’re of a much different breed that chose to stay in Eorzea. But the actual Old Sharlaya seems, is very reclusive, spoilt and selfish nation. They seem to really think that they are vastly superior to anyone and they hoard knowledge and wisdom and they collect and don’t share it.
@@mikoto7693 Without going into spoilers, Sharlayan does have an assortment of reasons for their positions. What those reasons are, I will let you discover through playtime.
Many of the things that you depise Ul'Dah for, is what absolutely makes it my favorite city-state. I hate how it was established, but some of the ways people learned, whistleblew, and atoned for past mistakes have been phenomenal for an entire nation to be doing at once, and I love that. The skeletons this nation harbors are literally walking around instead of locked in a closet for people to never find out even if they wanted to. In that manner, I feel like as despicable and unforgivable the nation had been, they try to be honest about it and DO better. The fact that a Thorne *descendant* relinquished power back to a once hated crown family at the behest of their ancestor's word is INCREDIBLE to me. There is no way to know if a descendant will follow dying wishes, and when power is involved, they often don't. But this? Mind blowing for me. I also have an affinity for Ul'Dah as it reflects almost everything I go through in my day to day city living in real life. Capitalism? Check. Slavery? Internship. Loan sharks? Payday Loans. Genocide no one talks about? Absolutely. Racism? Lol, not even a question. But despite all the grime and gunk, you find people in life like the Thornes, Raubahn, Pippin, Rose, Momodi, Godbert, Nanamo, the carriage driver, and so many others that make the city worth living and believing in. I love this broken, dirty, messed up city-state. I hope it continues to spin sand into these people of gold. ❤
Edit: Lala names. :3
love these videos so much, really helps someone who's not super familiar with the lore like myself
I loved this video. It was very informative and interesting. Lots of things check out as I recall some things from my playthrough including hildibrand's quest line. I could like it more if there was some visual citation of sorts where things like this were found out however.
I love this channel so much
I watched this a month ago to help make my rp characters lord but it really boosted the new dungeons for me!!
Oh? Did you go through it already understanding a good chunk of the variant dungeon?
Ooh another Synodic Scribe lecture.
jesus never knew how dark uldahs history was
Yeaaaaah it's a trip.
wow i didn't really know anything about Ul'dah's history. That shit was dark.
Ul'dah has a higher body count than the pirate nation. That's saying something.
@@SynodicScribe Yeah - there’s a reason why you are to never trust a Lalafell - especially any male Lalafell not named Papamylo. Though, the Sultana has figured out how to keep Lord Lolorito on her side.
@@SynodicScribe no kidding. The pirates murdered *hundreds of baby sahagin*, and that was just one day's work. But what was done to Sil'dih must definitely take the cake for atrocities, as far as the 6th eras go... Unless there's some even more heinous shit going on with Gridania and Ala Mihgo. I don't know of anything that quite reaches this level and scale of horror in a single conscious act. I mean how do you beat "extinguishing an entire civilization in a single night of horror by turning their own dead family members into monsters leaving a plague of undeath that taints the land hundreds of years later"?
@@marcog.verbruggen674 Ala Mhigo is guilty of some nasty business. Honestly Gridanians are usually the victims of other people's bull shit instead of starting something. That's mostly because doing anything heinous would be frowned upon by the elementals.
...Even though this was the first city that I came to, and it's where the FC I'm part of is based out of...I've never liked Ul'dah. It's always seemed...So rife with corruption.
And now, learning that it unleashed a genocidal plague of undead at one point? Yiiiiiikes. ._.
What happened to the Capital of Ul'dah that was being used before moving onto the old Capital?
They look like most other Belah'dia ruins these days since all their resources and assets were moved. You can thank the wars, Garlemald and a big chested dragon for that.
@@SynodicScribe Fair enough, kinda sad we can't visit said or know where ruins are though.
Wooo!!
When I first started playing, I got lost so many times in Ul'dah that I wish Sil'dih would have wiped them off the face of the star.
Question for RP backstory reasons: So there were Hyur living in Belah'dia and/or Mhach?
Hyur are basically EVERWHERE. Unless something goes out of its way to say there was no hyur, there's likely hyur in there at some point.
@@SynodicScribe Thank you for the response! Love your videos and recommend them to all my friends! As for my question... iirc, the Hyurs weren't native to Eorzea. So I didn't know if they were there already.
@@admwmr There's evidence that places the hyur in Eorzea as far back as the 3rd Astral Era. So it's fair to assume they've been around the block enough times to be in Mhach at some point.
@@SynodicScribe Awesome thank you for the info, and all you do for this community!
Dope Thanks!!!!
Anytime!
One question remain. If Ul'dah was rebuilt upon the ruins of Sil'dih, where's the remnants of the ancient Ul'dah?
Oof, that is so dark. My starting City was Ul'Dah, but I never took much of a shine to it and joined the Maelstrom and consider Limsa Lominsa my home. I know Limsa has it's own shadows, but I'd rather indulge my rogue's heart there than a city built on genocide.
I basically did the same thing, but I dont like limsa either because of their vilification and hostility towards native peoples (sahagin and kobolds). Eorzea has so much horrifying history and current politics that I have little love for it
Your explanation of the origins of the Arbiters of Truth seems to run counter to the role they're shown to play in the final set of ARR Hildibrand quests, where it seems they've dedicated themselves to hiding the truth of Sil'dih and the Traders Spurn and reestablishing Sasagan's propaganda as the common understanding of events. Is it known when this change in the group's goal happened, perhaps something you'll cover in part 2?
That'll be covered in part 2. Honestly, the stunt that the Hildibrand quest pulled regarding the Arbiters created a couple continuity errors I'm gonna have to dance around. So please bare with me. lmao
@@SynodicScribe I'd be interested in hearing where else these continuity errors stem from. The only places I've come across mentions of Sil'dih in my time playing the game as far as I can recall right now have been from Hildibrand as previously mentioned, and prior to that from Erik in the MNK quest line when asking him about the topic has him convey the false version of events, implying that the common belief in modern Eorzea is indeed in line with the Sultan's propaganda and that this wouldn't be some oddity with just the Hildibrand story. I'm really looking forward to what you have to say on the topic in part 2!
@@Andyjoe522 Long story short. People accepted the Dynasty of Thorne because of what happened with Sil'dih, but over the hundreds of years after the fact, the false news that Sasagan created was accepted as the truth. This was due to the fact that Baldurf wanted knowledge of Trader's Spur on a need to know basis only, and the common folk didn't need to know, hence why no one can remember it. But this is also why he created the Arbiters, since he knew that the truth might get erased given time. Technically he was right and that did happen, but the Arbiters were only meant to be knowledge keepers, not judges. Making Cecy's actions extreme and dangerous in the hildbrand quest. And that's all I'll say on that until part 2.
If only Sil'dih had a Gentleman of Light. Maybe then they could have survived the onslaught of zombies from within created by the Traitors Spurn.
Ah yes, the city of Utra-Captialist Lalafell.
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You're helping keep these videos afloat that's for sure!
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