The reason for the extra buttons on the controller itself IS that you don't have to travel to the keyboard anymore, even though it might be close, it's still better to not have to move to the keyboard at all. Also the larger one is more ergonomic due to the wristpad.
I just got a Spacemouse Compact. I understood how to use it within one hour of practice. Instant improvement, Autodesk Alias has the best improvement. With the two buttons I bound ctrl+shift so I don't have to go back to the keyboard for the marking menus. It's a game changer. It works great in Fusion 360 except when the perspective scale gets messed up, switching to ortho backing away from the model and switching back to perspective fixes it. They could improve it in Blender, if you sneeze and get out of bounds you can't return, you have to reset by picking an object in the lister and hit (numpad .) to "focus on selected". Also Blender uses "mouse focus" to determine the active viewport so you need to make sure your mouse pointer stays within the viewport for it to work. If your mouse pointer leaves the viewport for a menu it stops working.
Yes, there could definitely be improvements in Blender. Although, the behaviour you describe, it works the same way in Rhino, so every once in a while, I need to run a zoom-to-selected command
Really useful video! Thanks for sharing. I had a friend recommend the space mouse long time ago but never understood why he liked it so much. I think I get it now!
Is it helpfull for beginners?i am an industrial designer student.Probably i will use it when 3d modelling for years .i think starting 3d modelling with this device will be good before get used to using only mouse.
@@ertugrulunal734 I think so, it's way better to use than keyboard keys to navigate. It has some adaptation 'til you control it naturally, but after that you won't even notice you're using it. The 3dconnexion software even has some "games" and tutorials for you to get used to using it.
Didn't see that for a long time. I used them in an old version a long time ago for cad. It had more a ball, but you did the same with it. I loved it and it made me work a lot faster.
Finally, a video that is comparing them. Thank you so much. I'm torn between wireless & enterprise. I wish they made a wireless enterprise version. I like to lounge around wirelessly sometimes with my wacom intuos draw.
The enterprise has the screen, to it would need to be recharged quite often if it were wireless in any case. The enterprise is a great tool, but you have to be certain that you will first commit to program it for your intended pursposes and it takes time to get it right. And then commit to using it, which is adding a new kind of muscle memory. In the end, like any tool, you get the value's worth of the time you invest in learning how to use this new tool.
I use a wired space mouse. it has two programmable keys on either side. Often in CAD, you can program those keys to bring up a menu on the screen (that you have populated with common used commands) and this does a lot of the work that the normal mouse does. You can save these configs for different programs. This will make you faster.
got mine a few days ago. With the time it will 'save' me its going to take months for me to make up for the time I spent playing around with it. God its fun to use.
I disagree about which is the most useful. The spacemouse pro is extremely useful if you set it up with the keys you want it to have. It has all of the primary keys anyone would need, and changing the other custom keys to things like, save, delete, copy, paste, undo, redo, enter etc make it even more useful. You also wouldn't have to move your hand from the spacemouse to the keyboard all the time if you used the buttons on the spacemouse instead of the keyboard keys. I suggest getting used to using them instead and stop moving to the keyboard as much. Also, the small mouse has the problem where if you lift up you just lift the mouse up off the desk, or it slides around. With the larger spacemouse pro your wrist holds the mouse down so it doesn't move forward, or up when moving around in your model. I also use each programs shortcut gestures, which gives me the same effect as hot keys. I do not use hot keys at all because of this. I also purchased a logitech G600 which I programmed so that the 12 side buttons is a number pad and the far right button is an enter key. This allows me to never have to use the keyboard unless I am typing letters, which isn't extremely common when designing (mostly just for naming things or doing drawings).
I disagree with this comment and 100% agree with the video narrator. I don’t want to spend the extra time setting up the keys for a whole new workflow . I don’t have the time even if I DID want to. I also agree with the video comment regarding bridging the gap between the different quirks amongst each different app. I use 3D in Revit, photoshop , and illustrator and the small space mouse really does a great job of unifying my hand and wrist movements in 3D space in all 3 programs
Ah, yes. Just the video I was looking for, justification to click buy now XD I have wanted a 3d mouse since I saw engineers at Nest using them in product design back when I did IT. Now I'm getting into modeling and game design and I've been eyin these for a while. Cheers.
I like this video. I would recommend however that you work a bit with the autofocus settings in your camera, as it is bit distracting with unintended focus shifts. Especially with the face/portrait shot. Consider putting clips of the hardware, and then just showing your torso when applicable. Best regards.
Like.. when your hands go up, change the focus in and out. Frustrating to watch. (Example at about 1:35) Better to set locked focus on your face, and then clips with details, just like you already do.
@@UHStudio I have! And let me say, your energy and positive and honest attitude is a pleasure to experience. That by far outweighs technical refinement and clever contraption. Furthermore it is imposible to aquire as a learnt skill! Best regards! Bue.
I couldn't use it. It always felt like I was taking longer to get in the position I wanted using the controller ( I have the 3dCOnextion basic). It's nice to see someone use it well and I really thought I would but it didn't work for me and sits on a shelf...
I am agree with the author but for different reason - i setup the smallest 3d mouse controller but with strokesplus programs and autohotkeys , for me the best solution for using this I don`t need extra buttons cause i have in mouse ( btw with extra 12 buttons in mouse which I using only in part ) and is much quicker. I will send my link to video how it works for me soon.
Yep, definitely doesn't replace the keyboard or the regular mouse, but utilises some of the functionality that should make it more fun and easier on the hands to manipulate in 3 dimensions.
Thanks for this video! I'm just about choosing the right 3d mouse for myself and after just 3 minutes I'm 100% decided on the small guy!:) Happy Xmass!
With the enterprise, it is possible. With the pro, at least for me, I still need additional keys on the keyboard so still need to travel. I have had intense modelling sessions though, where I have used just the Enterprise and a mouse to do everything with the keyboard of the way. It worked well, but it was quite specific, so the buttons were enough.
@@UHStudio I think it really depends how well you set up your speed dials and shortcuts. I have the Pro and only have to use the keyboard for inputting dimensions. (Fusion 360 full time)
I had planned to purchase the mid-size one today, but thankfully I watched this video cause you make a very very good point. So I won't be buyig it today, I'll changed my mind and will purchase the small "guy" today. Thanks!!
I found it useful be near numpad, always need input number as for distances or radius. I wish there was a mouse with numpad, so doesn't need to move my had from the mouse. It is quiet a jumping between mouse and numbad
the thing is, once you've set up your Pro or Enterprise Spacepilot, you don't need to go back and forth between the 3D Mouse and the Keyboard, for me this works best with a Mouse that supports gestures, like the MX Master etc..
Just what I was thinking. I'm contemplating buying one and thought having the mini space mouse only is such a waste to only be able to scroll. A large unit like the Enterprise can be customized so you never have to look down to reorient your fingers on a keyboard, plus reorienting again when you look up to your monitor. That takes up much time.
@@allenl9214 absolutely! What I love about the old Pro is, that it had a display too, like the Enterprise model.. I love this little status display when working with solidworks, it shows me the author of a file, when it was saved the last time (very important!) and the weight of the part 🥰
@@3LFL3DA are the keys on your Pro (or is it Enterprise?) easy to reach and click without looking down? My main reason to get one is my left fingers just keep missing when having to press Alt or ctrl keys along doing some stretching or acrobatic move to reach an alphabet key and keeps requiring me to look down to reorient. When I'm doing hundreds or thousands of clicks in a work session, it just doubles the time every moment I have to look away from my screen. I was considering a key pad like the Razer Tartarus V2 but am drawn to the scroll wheel on the 3dconnexion Enterprise. I'm just a little concerned about the keys on the enterprise as its not a normal keyboard layout. I dont want to spend so much buying it if it doesnt eliminate my need to stare away from screen to reorient.
@@allenl9214 communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/30783/3dcon_2D00_buttons.png this is the one that I use.. the only reason I have to reach over to the keyboard ist, when entering fille names whern I create new parts within an assembley. I programmed the buttons on the spacepilot to recreate shortcuts like STRG-TAB (switch between opened files) and ALT- TAB to switch windows.. since my spacepilot offers an option to show a popup numeric keypad, I don't need to switch to the keyboard. I Thought about doing something similar with utilizing the Windows 10 onscreen keyboard, but I think it'll take me more time to klick the indiviual letters instead of switching to the keyboard.. I've seen the razer keypad too, but as you say, it won't replace the spacepilot... if you''ll give it a try, I would appreciate sharing your expierience.
I had one of the small ones... found it was hard to use since it never stayed still on the desk, then it started to drift constantly.... I may try one of the bigger based ones in the future, but the small ones? no.
I've found that using the Enterprise with Revit is worth the time it takes to get used to it. Now that it is second nature I rarely use the keyboard. There aren't that many commands that I use multiple times an hour. Yes I can program it to make a section view, but realistically, how many times will I use the section command vs. the copy or move command. I love mine, I cut my work time in half, although some of that was just gained experience
Watched this video some time ago and convinced me to get a 3D mouse. I got the wired basic and it is great when I remember to use it. Find it useful when needing to get in close to select areas hard to get to normally. I do wonder if I should have got one of the larger versions? but didn't know if I would like it. Pleased I got it all the same.
huh, just got that compact and I was thinking - ok, but i need travel to keyboard. Silly me didn't thought about place it side by side with keyboard. indeed I can reach my keyboard macro buttons with thumb. Nice, thanks :)
I use spacepilot pro for 8 years in Rhino in that is the meaning why I am incredibly faster than others - in spite of lot of others which, didnt get it yet , and are still slower. But in blender- it is different case. Iam moving to blender for special kind of things where it is better. But in blender you have to use lot of shortcuts which make you realy faster at all. I didn´t use it yet. But I am very happy for someone like you show the possibilities. So thank you for that! I am also using mechanical numpad keypoard on the left for the numbers. Place for 3d mouse is still there :) You are not using shortcuts on the keyboard not at all? :) Great work! Awesome channel! (and you also move from rhino to blender does´nt you ?) :)
Thanks for sharing your experience and for your kind words! I still use both Rhino and Blender. As mentined in the video, I am actually using the smallest 3d mouse at the moment, so I don't have any hotkeys set up and rely on the keyboard for hotkeys. However, if I need to input some really serious 3d time, I would pop out the enterprise and set up the hotkeys specifically for the workflow that I need.
Yes it would probably help. Check out also upright mice and trackball mice. However, the sole fact that one hand helps with moving around in 3d space is better than any traditional mouse on its own.
Editing program? Like Premiere Pro and Davinvci Resolve? The hotkeys work but moving around does not. I've spoken to 3Dconnexion about it and they say that they explicitly want to focus their energy and investments in improving the experience for CAD and 3D users
Hey, small info. change your camera focus on auto but select a single spot. so if u wanna put something else in focus beside your face u just move it in the right spot. since u use a monitor to watch what u record it shouldnt be a problem. thanks for all the awesome videos!
Thanks for the feedback. That's exactly how I've set it but it's an old camera with crappy autofocus for video. New kit will be coming soon so everything should be in focus in a short while ;)
I wonder if that would be useful in space sim games, if you can assign movement vectors to it's controls? No need for a clunky flight stick or whatever
@@UHStudio Does it allow you to tilt the camera or objects by twisting clockwise or counter-clockwise around the x-axis, if that x-axis travels from you flat from south to north? Hope that description makes sense
much enjoyed your video, I have used 3Dconnexion SpaceMouse Pro for years with Sketchup and I've enjoyed it with Blender on Windows yet on my Mac Pro Blender 2.9 does not work properly. I'm capable of zooming in and out but I am not capable of rotating around the object. thank you again for your TH-cams much appreciated.
Has the performance of your Spacemouse Pro improved on Blender for Mac OS? I'm thinking of getting the Enterprise for Blender but worry if it will be fully functional on Mac OS. Thanks
Mac pro or Macbook pro? The trackpads on mac laptops work almost as good for viewport navigation with Blender and Rhino as the 3d mouse. Check out one of my videos on optimal settings to see if some adjustments to the options can fix it?
Blender has funny support for setting up the hotkeys. You basically have to set them up within Blender as opposed to the 3dx connexion app. At least that's the way it works on windows. Not sure about on mac.
Thanks for the explain it is very useful. However please can you let me know for 3d design and while working can I use only Keyboard and 3D space mouse which means I do replace 3D space mouse with mouse! and does 3D space mouse has feature to use right and left click ? Thanks
Let's be honest...I purchased a 3d connexion space mouse enterprise thinking it would have been useful for my AutoCAD 3D work. I was wrong. First of all all the little buttons on this device need to be pressed several times before implementing the command you want making the workflow very slow. Secondly the rotation of the model is smooth only when you are dealing with small model built around the origin otherwise it gets absolutely messy. Third and last point the AuroCAD workflow needs several command that a modest keyboard can implement better than this expensive device because otherwise you need to switch from the 3D connexion to the keyboard making everything more complicated. Even the mouse is not so great. You can easily press the lateral buttons by mistake and the overall size is not so comfortable and need wire. I wonder why I have purchased something so useless and expensive...maybe I wanted to try getting excited by the ads...so my suggestion is to think twice. Maybe Industrial designer could find a better use but I do not encourage such an expensive device for architect! :D
Thanks for sharing your experience. While I don't use autocad, it works smooth in Rhino and would have thought that it would work just as smooth in autocad. I do find that the occasional, zoom selected (or equivalent command) helps with the 3d mouse as much as it helps with helping reset the view with a 2d mouse.
How is the driver support, as far as I know this vendor got its products out for a while. Are they cutting of older models from driver support list or can I get an old unit and still use it with Windows 11?
Do you have to have an additional mouse for clicking staff how fast can you model in 3d with it? Is is useful for modeling and creating things in Unity, unreal? Can you surf web with it?
This is a completely stand-alone device. A traditional mouse is still needed. It useful for all the things you mention. For web surfing, it's quite nice, since instead of endgless scrolling the space mouse can be used for scrolling
I was kinda thinking the same - small one would be much closer to the keyboard...but, i have already got the mid-sized Spacemouse pro - hmm, should I spend out on another?? I do find though it's easy to assign shortcut keys to all the Spacemouse pro keys, so yes I do have doubles but all the important most used keyboard keys are also assigned right next to the Spacemouse control knob (it's actually quicker than spanning over the keyboard!)- It's like what you said about using different mouses - it helps to prevent RSI.
It's not cheap, especially for emerging markets, indeed. Unfortunately these types of tech, well actually including laptops, phones, even cars, etc are more or less the same price points throughout the world, which makes them more accessible in higher-income economies compared to lower-income ones. Actually, even Photoshop and Autodesk licenses are similar, which is crazy. So, yes it's definitely much more expensive in India than it needs to be. These types of niche devices offer productivity performance, which at the end of the day is not that much, so it needs to be judged compared to what it offers. Yet, I once watched a very interesting video by Casey Neistat about his vido gear and the exponantially more expensive that prodcuts that offer a bit higher quality become. I think he callled it the law of deminishing returns. You can buy a standard mouse for $10, and better mouse for $35, or a higher end mouse for $100 and a space mouse. At the end of the day, it's a mouse, but it does offer benefits, which may seem that what they offer is less signficant for the higher price. Yet, if ergonomics are important (as they should be for everyone), you are working in 3d all day, and you work long hours, then a higher price can justify the comfort and also the price it would cost to look after a wrist injury.
The smaller one could purely be use for rotation, whereas the larger models have plenty of capabilities for setting up shortcuts, but it is time and effort
For me i guess that those buttons are not enough to cover all the shortcuts i use (from 7 different softwares). Not worth to me if the only benefit is a smooth 3D space manipulation. I need to be precise and fast, not to seam cool doing it.
@@lorenzomanini1017 You program these buttons for each of your software separately. The device recognize the software you work with and set assigned buttons automatically.
was thinking the same.. differently the small one. But i heard that its quite allot of bugs then using with Maya. And Maya already got enough problems just like it is. So i think i let this marinate for a bit longer
Thanks for the brief, but bro i've a question will there be a need of using a regular mouse with it for the cursor & an ordinary functionality of a mouse with it bcs i'm using a Logitech G-510s keyboard memos plus my own preset of customized shortcuts for hyper fast workflow in Cinema 4D. bcs if i've to switch between keyboard & 3d mouse with my left hand it will may slow down my 3D modeling workflow thnx In advance.
It's the kind of thing you have to try. Yes you may loose a bit of speed lifting your hand from the keyboard but you may gain it back by being quicker in moving around the model in 3d
@@UHStudio Thankyou so much brother for replying & yes you were half right with your opinion but definitely it was a worth having weapon in my arsenal & yes i've discovered the sweet spots in my work flow with this device. but my friend i'll highly recommend that you should try Logitech G600 MMO gaming mouse with Logitech G13 gaming board using 3d mouse without them is not worth it! in mine needed tasks, testifying it after a month of usage you might already be aware of them but if not you can't imagine what you are being deprived of with these two beasts not just i've eliminated double pressing but have assign the most pressing needed tasks on my thumb you can almost have around 200 Macros with them plus integration of these devices in almost every application is a blessing with Logitech Gaming Software (Plz stay away using G hub app with them, it's a crap) nothing is on par with them specially in complex 3D modeling and in large motion graphic scenes, navigation with 3d mouse (with a small guy) is a treat. you can watch the video (Double Your Modeling Speed (Instantly!) by "Royal Skies" for G 600 & for the G 13 you have to take my words Regards.
It doesn't always work very well with Revit specially when working with big projects and with many linked files then It gets really slow and really doesn't work. It works well with small projects
The Video is really nice and I wish I had watched before :) I want to give a feedback based on my personal experience as architect designer. I got tempted to buy the most expensive connexion device and honestly it is a waste of money. I could accept the idea to get used to a different workflow but it is totally unacceptable that the buttons on this device need to be pressed several times before they actually implement a command to AutoCAD. It is absolutely annoying and really disappointing.
Hey Dimas I’ve actually been going a lot into 3D design as of lately and I’m an apple user... I was searching for the best ergonomic mouse in the market to equip myself well to be limitless... Aside from the little wireless one that you recommend here, what other ergonomic mouse do you recommend I purchase to go with it? I’m left-handed ! Also, i know this may too much to ask but I want to purchase my first desktop computer and I found the Mac Pro very appealing although a bit too expensive.. Do you know any non-apple counterpart that is great for 3D design? I plan on making that my main career. Thank you Dima!!
3dx have released a left-handed cad mouse. I am left handed as well, but use the mouse with the right hand and I am quite satisfied with the cad mouse for the right hand
Man, I really don't get videos like this. I've seen a number of them now saying that the Compact is the best model the Pro is a waste of money for what it provides, and the Enterprise is too expensive for anybody but the heaviest power users. While I agree with the last point I don't understand why you'd buy one of these things if you're NOT a power user. If you don't do stuff professionally where the Space Mouse isn't necessary, what's the point in the first place, and if you do, why not buy the Enterprise? The whole point of the hotkeys is so that you can use the keyboard as little as possible, take your hand off the mouse as little as possible to increase productivity, reduce time moving between devices. As for setting up hotkeys, it DOESN'T take a long time, but why is it a problem that it takes time at all? Setting up hotkeys for ANYTHING takes a little time and tweaking, but it's such a worthwhile investment. That's the whole point of this thing: up front investment for huge payoff down the road. And that brings me to back to my point about the smaller models being the actual waste of money. Why would you buy this other than to be more productive? If your goal is to be more productive, why would you not want as many tools within reach of your fingers as possible? If you want as many tools within reach of your fingers as possible, why would you bother considering the smaller models? I just don't get it.
To each their own preference. I have the enterprise model, tried it, ditched it. I continue to be very happy with the compact model, next to a Stream Deck.
Not as much as in 3d, but if needing to zoom quite far out and then zoom back into another area that would require a lot of scroll-zoom and panning, it does help
Yes, you can use if while scuplting in 3d. Not for drawing though. I believe Adobe's apps may work with it, but I don't use Adobe apps anymore and the Affinity apps don't work with it unfortunately.
Yes as Gub has mentioned, it's only for 3d navigation and you use it with your left hand. You still have your mouse in your right hand (or vice versa if you are left handed)
I love that you made a concise detailed video that addressed the core question at hand and kept it under 5 minutes, bravo Sir.
Thanks so much!
The reason for the extra buttons on the controller itself IS that you don't have to travel to the keyboard anymore, even though it might be close, it's still better to not have to move to the keyboard at all. Also the larger one is more ergonomic due to the wristpad.
yep, could replicate most of the functions from the keyboard to the 3d mouse
I just got a Spacemouse Compact. I understood how to use it within one hour of practice. Instant improvement, Autodesk Alias has the best improvement. With the two buttons I bound ctrl+shift so I don't have to go back to the keyboard for the marking menus. It's a game changer. It works great in Fusion 360 except when the perspective scale gets messed up, switching to ortho backing away from the model and switching back to perspective fixes it. They could improve it in Blender, if you sneeze and get out of bounds you can't return, you have to reset by picking an object in the lister and hit (numpad .) to "focus on selected". Also Blender uses "mouse focus" to determine the active viewport so you need to make sure your mouse pointer stays within the viewport for it to work. If your mouse pointer leaves the viewport for a menu it stops working.
Yes, there could definitely be improvements in Blender. Although, the behaviour you describe, it works the same way in Rhino, so every once in a while, I need to run a zoom-to-selected command
Short and informational. Definitely considering buying one of these now, great video!
Thank you! And glad you've found it useful ;)
Thanks to your video I now know that I do not need a space mouse. Very informative and answered a lot of questions I had about it.
Glad it was helpful!
Really useful video! Thanks for sharing. I had a friend recommend the space mouse long time ago but never understood why he liked it so much. I think I get it now!
Happy to help! Clearly that friend didn't do a good job of explaining the benefits. Hopefully he made a video to illustrate them better :)
Bought one 10 years ago, never looked back.
Is it helpfull for beginners?i am an industrial designer student.Probably i will use it when 3d modelling for years .i think starting 3d modelling with this device will be good before get used to using only mouse.
@@ertugrulunal734 I think so, it's way better to use than keyboard keys to navigate. It has some adaptation 'til you control it naturally, but after that you won't even notice you're using it. The 3dconnexion software even has some "games" and tutorials for you to get used to using it.
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Didn't see that for a long time. I used them in an old version a long time ago for cad. It had more a ball, but you did the same with it. I loved it and it made me work a lot faster.
Yes 3d mouse is great in any flavour :)
Finally, a video that is comparing them. Thank you so much. I'm torn between wireless & enterprise. I wish they made a wireless enterprise version. I like to lounge around wirelessly sometimes with my wacom intuos draw.
The enterprise has the screen, to it would need to be recharged quite often if it were wireless in any case. The enterprise is a great tool, but you have to be certain that you will first commit to program it for your intended pursposes and it takes time to get it right. And then commit to using it, which is adding a new kind of muscle memory. In the end, like any tool, you get the value's worth of the time you invest in learning how to use this new tool.
I use a wired space mouse. it has two programmable keys on either side. Often in CAD, you can program those keys to bring up a menu on the screen (that you have populated with common used commands) and this does a lot of the work that the normal mouse does. You can save these configs for different programs. This will make you faster.
Thanks for the tip!
I have no need or use for this, but it just seems like such a good product that I want one now, I don't even have one but yet it just feels intuitive
No one has a need for this indeed, until you realize how natural it feels.
I wanted to look at buying the spacemouse wireless and this video helped me make the purchase! Thanking you.
Glad I could help!
got mine a few days ago. With the time it will 'save' me its going to take months for me to make up for the time I spent playing around with it. God its fun to use.
Definitely a fun device to use. Would recommend trying it with google earth ;)
I got the Spacemouse wireless for Fusion 360 work. It's fantastic!!
good to hear!
I disagree about which is the most useful. The spacemouse pro is extremely useful if you set it up with the keys you want it to have. It has all of the primary keys anyone would need, and changing the other custom keys to things like, save, delete, copy, paste, undo, redo, enter etc make it even more useful. You also wouldn't have to move your hand from the spacemouse to the keyboard all the time if you used the buttons on the spacemouse instead of the keyboard keys. I suggest getting used to using them instead and stop moving to the keyboard as much. Also, the small mouse has the problem where if you lift up you just lift the mouse up off the desk, or it slides around. With the larger spacemouse pro your wrist holds the mouse down so it doesn't move forward, or up when moving around in your model. I also use each programs shortcut gestures, which gives me the same effect as hot keys. I do not use hot keys at all because of this. I also purchased a logitech G600 which I programmed so that the 12 side buttons is a number pad and the far right button is an enter key. This allows me to never have to use the keyboard unless I am typing letters, which isn't extremely common when designing (mostly just for naming things or doing drawings).
Definitely a valid point! But it gets tedious if you are using two home computers, a work computer, and 4 different software packages on each ;)
I disagree with this comment and 100% agree with the video narrator. I don’t want to spend the extra time setting up the keys for a whole new workflow . I don’t have the time even if I DID want to. I also agree with the video comment regarding bridging the gap between the different quirks amongst each different app. I use 3D in Revit, photoshop , and illustrator and the small space mouse really does a great job of unifying my hand and wrist movements in 3D space in all 3 programs
"extremely useful if you set it up with the keys you want it to have..." "... I do not use hot keys at all" 🤔
Thank you so much for this video. It was perfectly on target.
You answered my worries and saved me alot of time!
Cheers and happy to help!
Ah, yes. Just the video I was looking for, justification to click buy now XD
I have wanted a 3d mouse since I saw engineers at Nest using them in product design back when I did IT.
Now I'm getting into modeling and game design and I've been eyin these for a while. Cheers.
Cheers!
good job. thansks
cheers :)
Thank you! This is the best 3d mouse video out there! 🙂
Thanks!
Top video, it sounds like an
horoscope podcast, that's what I liked the most
Hehe, the stars are aligned today and you can expect to have good day ;)
First decent video on the damn thing, thank you Adam Friedland
I can´t live without my 3Dconnexion mouse anymore.
ditto!
Very useful thanks ! Cheers from Geneva Switzerland.
Thank you
I've gotten super lucky and got the Enterprise Kit 2 for like 200-230 ish dollars. Absolutely worth it lol.
I like this video.
I would recommend however that you work a bit with the autofocus settings in your camera, as it is bit distracting with unintended focus shifts. Especially with the face/portrait shot.
Consider putting clips of the hardware, and then just showing your torso when applicable.
Best regards.
Like.. when your hands go up, change the focus in and out. Frustrating to watch. (Example at about 1:35)
Better to set locked focus on your face, and then clips with details, just like you already do.
Thanks for your tips. Hopefully you may notice quality improvement in my most recent videos
@@UHStudio
I have!
And let me say, your energy and positive and honest attitude is a pleasure to experience.
That by far outweighs technical refinement and clever contraption. Furthermore it is imposible to aquire as a learnt skill!
Best regards!
Bue.
@@Bueolmutz Thanks so much for the kind words! Much appreciated :)
@@UHStudio 😁
I couldn't use it. It always felt like I was taking longer to get in the position I wanted using the controller ( I have the 3dCOnextion basic). It's nice to see someone use it well and I really thought I would but it didn't work for me and sits on a shelf...
I love that the medium sized mouse was used as the Rocinante's pilot control cluster for the first three seasons of The Expanse.
Yes! I saw that too. Good catch
Nice one! I do see them pop around in other "futuristic" movie or tv show sets
I am agree with the author but for different reason - i setup the smallest 3d mouse controller but with strokesplus programs and autohotkeys , for me the best solution for using this I don`t need extra buttons cause i have in mouse ( btw with extra 12 buttons in mouse which I using only in part ) and is much quicker. I will send my link to video how it works for me soon.
Thanks for sharing your set up.
I'm so fucking dumb lol. I thought it replaced mouse and hated the idea. But It's a camera controller instead and I love it. Definitely a must-have.
Yep, definitely doesn't replace the keyboard or the regular mouse, but utilises some of the functionality that should make it more fun and easier on the hands to manipulate in 3 dimensions.
I have both of them, and my workflow is more faster and easier than before.
Cool!
i did find this useful, thanks!
Cheers!
Thanks for this video! I'm just about choosing the right 3d mouse for myself and after just 3 minutes I'm 100% decided on the small guy!:) Happy Xmass!
Cheers and happy to help :)
Brilliantly done video. Well scoped, well-presented, and makes a valuable salient point quickly. Thank you. Saved me a lot of hassle and wasted money.
Cheers, happy you've found it helpful 😉
Just ordered the mobile kit, moving and viewing my models can be so frustrating, this will be a major improvement and cut out all the frustration.
Curious to hear your experience
The point of the Pro and Enterprise version is that you DON'T go between the spacemouse and keyboard 😜
With the enterprise, it is possible. With the pro, at least for me, I still need additional keys on the keyboard so still need to travel. I have had intense modelling sessions though, where I have used just the Enterprise and a mouse to do everything with the keyboard of the way. It worked well, but it was quite specific, so the buttons were enough.
@@UHStudio I think it really depends how well you set up your speed dials and shortcuts. I have the Pro and only have to use the keyboard for inputting dimensions. (Fusion 360 full time)
Great video
Thank you, ima prop get one soon
Glad I could help
I had planned to purchase the mid-size one today, but thankfully I watched this video cause you make a very very good point. So I won't be buyig it today, I'll changed my mind and will purchase the small "guy" today. Thanks!!
Hehe, that's the one I have on my desk at the moment and the other ones stacked away
Hello, I have the small space mouse. Could you say how you have it configured for blender? Thanks in advanced
That's what I will talk about in the next video
I love the space mouse and I totally agree with you
Good to hear :)
Wish they were faster in getting out updated drivers for Unreal engine.
How it is now?
I found it useful be near numpad, always need input number as for distances or radius. I wish there was a mouse with numpad, so doesn't need to move my had from the mouse. It is quiet a jumping between mouse and numbad
the thing is, once you've set up your Pro or Enterprise Spacepilot, you don't need to go back and forth between the 3D Mouse and the Keyboard, for me this works best with a Mouse that supports gestures, like the MX Master etc..
Just what I was thinking. I'm contemplating buying one and thought having the mini space mouse only is such a waste to only be able to scroll. A large unit like the Enterprise can be customized so you never have to look down to reorient your fingers on a keyboard, plus reorienting again when you look up to your monitor. That takes up much time.
@@allenl9214 absolutely! What I love about the old Pro is, that it had a display too, like the Enterprise model.. I love this little status display when working with solidworks, it shows me the author of a file, when it was saved the last time (very important!) and the weight of the part 🥰
@@3LFL3DA are the keys on your Pro (or is it Enterprise?) easy to reach and click without looking down? My main reason to get one is my left fingers just keep missing when having to press Alt or ctrl keys along doing some stretching or acrobatic move to reach an alphabet key and keeps requiring me to look down to reorient. When I'm doing hundreds or thousands of clicks in a work session, it just doubles the time every moment I have to look away from my screen. I was considering a key pad like the Razer Tartarus V2 but am drawn to the scroll wheel on the 3dconnexion Enterprise. I'm just a little concerned about the keys on the enterprise as its not a normal keyboard layout. I dont want to spend so much buying it if it doesnt eliminate my need to stare away from screen to reorient.
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this is the one that I use.. the only reason I have to reach over to the keyboard ist, when entering fille names whern I create new parts within an assembley. I programmed the buttons on the spacepilot to recreate shortcuts like STRG-TAB (switch between opened files) and ALT- TAB to switch windows.. since my spacepilot offers an option to show a popup numeric keypad, I don't need to switch to the keyboard. I Thought about doing something similar with utilizing the Windows 10 onscreen keyboard, but I think it'll take me more time to klick the indiviual letters instead of switching to the keyboard..
I've seen the razer keypad too, but as you say, it won't replace the spacepilot... if you''ll give it a try, I would appreciate sharing your expierience.
and yes, I find it very easy and convenient to hit the right buttons, even without looking, took a few days to build the muscle memory
I had one of the small ones... found it was hard to use since it never stayed still on the desk, then it started to drift constantly....
I may try one of the bigger based ones in the future, but the small ones? no.
Might have had a faulty one. Or sometimes reinstalling the driver helps
Is that the joystick used in the rocinante set in the expanse
I've found that using the Enterprise with Revit is worth the time it takes to get used to it. Now that it is second nature I rarely use the keyboard. There aren't that many commands that I use multiple times an hour. Yes I can program it to make a section view, but realistically, how many times will I use the section command vs. the copy or move command. I love mine, I cut my work time in half, although some of that was just gained experience
That's great to hear! Do you input numbers via the 3dxware numpad popout?
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@@UHStudio you know, on keyboards meant for humans there are numpads
Watched this video some time ago and convinced me to get a 3D mouse. I got the wired basic and it is great when I remember to use it. Find it useful when needing to get in close to select areas hard to get to normally. I do wonder if I should have got one of the larger versions? but didn't know if I would like it. Pleased I got it all the same.
Yes, it's a nifty gadget to have on the desk
Have you tried it with music making software for controlling multiple parameters? I am looking for some thing that can do that. Thanks!
huh, just got that compact and I was thinking - ok, but i need travel to keyboard. Silly me didn't thought about place it side by side with keyboard. indeed I can reach my keyboard macro buttons with thumb. Nice, thanks :)
Cheers :)
looks so professional, but after decades of working in 3d, I never found I need rotate pan an zoom at same time.
it's one of those things that you don't know you are missing until you try it
Have you done a video about scaling in Sketchup ? I don't use Layout, I've been using Publisher with S-shots from SU.
It is!
I use spacepilot pro for 8 years in Rhino in that is the meaning why I am incredibly faster than others - in spite of lot of others which, didnt get it yet , and are still slower. But in blender- it is different case. Iam moving to blender for special kind of things where it is better. But in blender you have to use lot of shortcuts which make you realy faster at all. I didn´t use it yet. But I am very happy for someone like you show the possibilities. So thank you for that! I am also using mechanical numpad keypoard on the left for the numbers. Place for 3d mouse is still there :)
You are not using shortcuts on the keyboard not at all? :) Great work! Awesome channel! (and you also move from rhino to blender does´nt you ?) :)
Did you use your space pro for Blender yet? How is it working out? I want to buy a space pro or enterprise for Blender use
Thanks for sharing your experience and for your kind words! I still use both Rhino and Blender. As mentined in the video, I am actually using the smallest 3d mouse at the moment, so I don't have any hotkeys set up and rely on the keyboard for hotkeys. However, if I need to input some really serious 3d time, I would pop out the enterprise and set up the hotkeys specifically for the workflow that I need.
In my experience, the space mouse works very well with Blender for navigation.
I'm beginning to get pain in my hand from all the jewelry modeling in CAD I do for work. Sounds like I definitely need to get one of these.
Yes it would probably help. Check out also upright mice and trackball mice. However, the sole fact that one hand helps with moving around in 3d space is better than any traditional mouse on its own.
What would you recommend to use in combination with display tablet?
The small one is enough, as most display tablets also have buttons that you can program.
Puedes hacer un vido para saber si sirve en un programa de edicion ?
Editing program? Like Premiere Pro and Davinvci Resolve? The hotkeys work but moving around does not. I've spoken to 3Dconnexion about it and they say that they explicitly want to focus their energy and investments in improving the experience for CAD and 3D users
Hey,
small info.
change your camera focus on auto but select a single spot. so if u wanna put something else in focus beside your face u just move it in the right spot. since u use a monitor to watch what u record it shouldnt be a problem.
thanks for all the awesome videos!
Thanks for the feedback. That's exactly how I've set it but it's an old camera with crappy autofocus for video. New kit will be coming soon so everything should be in focus in a short while ;)
great explained ... thx!
Glad it was helpful!
I wonder if that would be useful in space sim games, if you can assign movement vectors to it's controls? No need for a clunky flight stick or whatever
I don't think it can be used as a good old joystick. But probably someone on linux has created a driver to do that type of behaviour
@@UHStudio Does it allow you to tilt the camera or objects by twisting clockwise or counter-clockwise around the x-axis, if that x-axis travels from you flat from south to north? Hope that description makes sense
awesome ... vverrryy useful video!!!
Thank you! Glad it was helpful!
Can the space mouse be used in sculpting mode ?
How would you click grab and rotate at once with the spacemouse? Thanks
you click/grab with your traditional moue and rotate around with the space mouse
much enjoyed your video,
I have used 3Dconnexion SpaceMouse Pro for years with Sketchup and I've enjoyed it with Blender on Windows yet on my Mac Pro Blender 2.9 does not work properly.
I'm capable of zooming in and out but I am not capable of rotating around the object.
thank you again for your TH-cams much appreciated.
Has the performance of your Spacemouse Pro improved on Blender for Mac OS? I'm thinking of getting the Enterprise for Blender but worry if it will be fully functional on Mac OS. Thanks
Mac pro or Macbook pro? The trackpads on mac laptops work almost as good for viewport navigation with Blender and Rhino as the 3d mouse. Check out one of my videos on optimal settings to see if some adjustments to the options can fix it?
Blender has funny support for setting up the hotkeys. You basically have to set them up within Blender as opposed to the 3dx connexion app. At least that's the way it works on windows. Not sure about on mac.
Thank you very much Sir.
Happy to help :)
When you use space mouse,, Do you still need the regular mouse for CAD?
yes. a space mouse is an additional accessory instead of a replacement for a regular computer mouse
im about to learn blender and i think i will get me one... i think using it from the start is a good idea..
definitely quite useful in Blender
Great Advice Dimity. Help me a Great Deal!
Happy to help!
find very usefull your video, just a question, does it work with 2d softwares like cad or revit?
Yes it does
Very helpful. Thanks! :-)
Glad it was helpful!
@@UHStudio Cheers! xD
Thanks for the explain it is very useful. However please can you let me know for 3d design and while working can I use only Keyboard and 3D space mouse which means I do replace 3D space mouse with mouse! and does 3D space mouse has feature to use right and left click ? Thanks
no, you still need a regular mouse. The space moue is only for 3d navigation.
And yes.. let's have more like this
Design engineer for 15 years, got the mouse 5 years ago. Since then its collecting dust, i never got used to it 🤷♂
Let's be honest...I purchased a 3d connexion space mouse enterprise thinking it would have been useful for my AutoCAD 3D work. I was wrong. First of all all the little buttons on this device need to be pressed several times before implementing the command you want making the workflow very slow. Secondly the rotation of the model is smooth only when you are dealing with small model built around the origin otherwise it gets absolutely messy. Third and last point the AuroCAD workflow needs several command that a modest keyboard can implement better than this expensive device because otherwise you need to switch from the 3D connexion to the keyboard making everything more complicated. Even the mouse is not so great. You can easily press the lateral buttons by mistake and the overall size is not so comfortable and need wire. I wonder why I have purchased something so useless and expensive...maybe I wanted to try getting excited by the ads...so my suggestion is to think twice. Maybe Industrial designer could find a better use but I do not encourage such an expensive device for architect! :D
I'll buy yours for a discount xD
Thanks for sharing your experience. While I don't use autocad, it works smooth in Rhino and would have thought that it would work just as smooth in autocad. I do find that the occasional, zoom selected (or equivalent command) helps with the 3d mouse as much as it helps with helping reset the view with a 2d mouse.
@@allenl9214 lol
How is the driver support, as far as I know this vendor got its products out for a while. Are they cutting of older models from driver support list or can I get an old unit and still use it with Windows 11?
at the driver downloads page, you can see which products are supported 3dconnexion.com/uk/drivers/
Do you have to have an additional mouse for clicking staff how fast can you model in 3d with it? Is is useful for modeling and creating things in Unity, unreal? Can you surf web with it?
This is a completely stand-alone device. A traditional mouse is still needed. It useful for all the things you mention. For web surfing, it's quite nice, since instead of endgless scrolling the space mouse can be used for scrolling
I was kinda thinking the same - small one would be much closer to the keyboard...but, i have already got the mid-sized Spacemouse pro - hmm, should I spend out on another??
I do find though it's easy to assign shortcut keys to all the Spacemouse pro keys, so yes I do have doubles but all the important most used keyboard keys are also assigned right next to the Spacemouse control knob (it's actually quicker than spanning over the keyboard!)- It's like what you said about using different mouses - it helps to prevent RSI.
All this technology and you can't keep your camera in focus 🤣
Good one! ;) bought a camera with good focus since then
Lmfao
To have your camera lens to focus you first have to have your mind in focus
@@cgdonut27 booooo
Came here to say this.
can use both mouse regular one and this 3d space mouse?
Yes
Thanks!
Thanks so much!!
Also- are all 6 axes of the mouse progressive/analog?
If you push more in one direction, the mouse does respond by moving/panning/rotating in the direction faster. Hope that answers your question?
Damn dude in india it was 400$ for pro version and without pro it was 350$ seems expensive
It's not cheap, especially for emerging markets, indeed. Unfortunately these types of tech, well actually including laptops, phones, even cars, etc are more or less the same price points throughout the world, which makes them more accessible in higher-income economies compared to lower-income ones. Actually, even Photoshop and Autodesk licenses are similar, which is crazy. So, yes it's definitely much more expensive in India than it needs to be. These types of niche devices offer productivity performance, which at the end of the day is not that much, so it needs to be judged compared to what it offers. Yet, I once watched a very interesting video by Casey Neistat about his vido gear and the exponantially more expensive that prodcuts that offer a bit higher quality become. I think he callled it the law of deminishing returns. You can buy a standard mouse for $10, and better mouse for $35, or a higher end mouse for $100 and a space mouse. At the end of the day, it's a mouse, but it does offer benefits, which may seem that what they offer is less signficant for the higher price. Yet, if ergonomics are important (as they should be for everyone), you are working in 3d all day, and you work long hours, then a higher price can justify the comfort and also the price it would cost to look after a wrist injury.
My work revolves around short cuts, this seems like would slow me down honestly
The smaller one could purely be use for rotation, whereas the larger models have plenty of capabilities for setting up shortcuts, but it is time and effort
For me i guess that those buttons are not enough to cover all the shortcuts i use (from 7 different softwares). Not worth to me if the only benefit is a smooth 3D space manipulation. I need to be precise and fast, not to seam cool doing it.
@@lorenzomanini1017 You program these buttons for each of your software separately. The device recognize the software you work with and set assigned buttons automatically.
was thinking the same.. differently the small one. But i heard that its quite allot of bugs then using with Maya. And Maya already got enough problems just like it is. So i think i let this marinate for a bit longer
I have only used it with Maya very briefly. I imagine the 3d motion should work quite well
Thanks for the brief, but bro i've a question will there be a need of using a regular mouse with it for the cursor & an ordinary functionality of a mouse with it bcs i'm using a Logitech G-510s keyboard memos plus my own preset of customized shortcuts for hyper fast workflow in Cinema 4D. bcs if i've to switch between keyboard & 3d mouse with my left hand it will may slow down my 3D modeling workflow thnx In advance.
It's the kind of thing you have to try. Yes you may loose a bit of speed lifting your hand from the keyboard but you may gain it back by being quicker in moving around the model in 3d
@@UHStudio Thankyou so much brother for replying & yes you were half right with your opinion
but definitely it was a worth having weapon in my arsenal & yes i've discovered the sweet spots in my work flow with this device. but my friend i'll highly recommend that you should try Logitech G600 MMO gaming mouse with Logitech G13 gaming board using 3d mouse without them is not worth it! in mine needed tasks, testifying it after a month of usage you might already be aware of them but if not you can't imagine what you are being deprived of with these two beasts not just i've eliminated double pressing but have assign the most pressing needed tasks on my thumb you can almost have around 200 Macros with them plus integration of these devices in almost every application is a blessing with Logitech Gaming Software (Plz stay away using G hub app with them, it's a crap) nothing is on par with them specially in complex 3D modeling and in large motion graphic scenes, navigation with 3d mouse (with a small guy) is a treat. you can watch the video (Double Your Modeling Speed (Instantly!) by "Royal Skies" for G 600 & for the G 13 you have to take my words Regards.
Yo man, what do you use the spacemouse enterprise for then since you've just mentioned about using Spacemouse Pro Wireless and original Spacemouse?
I am using the larger space mouse at the office, the smaller ones at home.
It doesn't always work very well with Revit specially when working with big projects and with many linked files then It gets really slow and really doesn't work. It works well with small projects
I do agree that the Revit's driver implementation is not the best
can you use this as a regular mouse for RSI relief? it looks like scrolling with this is quite a lot better than a the scroll wheel on my trackball.
You can use it for scrolling but not for moving the cursor
Can this be productive as a standard mouse or do you also need another conventional mouse?
you still need a traditional mouse
so this works in tandem with the main mouse? but instead just use it to navigate while you still manipulate with your right hand and regular mouse?
Precisely so. The idea is too reduce strain on the right hand by offloading navigation to the left hand
@@UHStudio very cool... this will be my next upgrade... thanks for responding!
The Video is really nice and I wish I had watched before :) I want to give a feedback based on my personal experience as architect designer. I got tempted to buy the most expensive connexion device and honestly it is a waste of money. I could accept the idea to get used to a different workflow but it is totally unacceptable that the buttons on this device need to be pressed several times before they actually implement a command to AutoCAD. It is absolutely annoying and really disappointing.
Thanks for sharing
Hey Dimas I’ve actually been going a lot into 3D design as of lately and I’m an apple user... I was searching for the best ergonomic mouse in the market to equip myself well to be limitless... Aside from the little wireless one that you recommend here, what other ergonomic mouse do you recommend I purchase to go with it? I’m left-handed ! Also, i know this may too much to ask but I want to purchase my first desktop computer and I found the Mac Pro very appealing although a bit too expensive.. Do you know any non-apple counterpart that is great for 3D design? I plan on making that my main career. Thank you Dima!!
3dx have released a left-handed cad mouse. I am left handed as well, but use the mouse with the right hand and I am quite satisfied with the cad mouse for the right hand
But how do I click and control the cursor
With your regular mouse
How's doing 3D with a Wacom Cintiq?
I don't have a Cintiq, so I haven't tried it. I believe most people use a tablet more for sculpting workflows, especially with zbrush
do this replace a regular mouse?
no, if you watch the whole video, it explains it
Thanks man you saved me
Glad I could help
Man, I really don't get videos like this. I've seen a number of them now saying that the Compact is the best model the Pro is a waste of money for what it provides, and the Enterprise is too expensive for anybody but the heaviest power users. While I agree with the last point I don't understand why you'd buy one of these things if you're NOT a power user. If you don't do stuff professionally where the Space Mouse isn't necessary, what's the point in the first place, and if you do, why not buy the Enterprise? The whole point of the hotkeys is so that you can use the keyboard as little as possible, take your hand off the mouse as little as possible to increase productivity, reduce time moving between devices.
As for setting up hotkeys, it DOESN'T take a long time, but why is it a problem that it takes time at all? Setting up hotkeys for ANYTHING takes a little time and tweaking, but it's such a worthwhile investment. That's the whole point of this thing: up front investment for huge payoff down the road. And that brings me to back to my point about the smaller models being the actual waste of money. Why would you buy this other than to be more productive? If your goal is to be more productive, why would you not want as many tools within reach of your fingers as possible? If you want as many tools within reach of your fingers as possible, why would you bother considering the smaller models? I just don't get it.
To each their own preference. I have the enterprise model, tried it, ditched it. I continue to be very happy with the compact model, next to a Stream Deck.
Do you find it useful when drawing in 2D?
Not as much as in 3d, but if needing to zoom quite far out and then zoom back into another area that would require a lot of scroll-zoom and panning, it does help
Whats the name of your keyboard please?
logitech k380
yes, that's the one. It's my favourite one out of the bunch. Quiet keys and 3 devices. I only wish it has illuminated keys.
Can you use it while drawing or scultpting?
Yes, you can use if while scuplting in 3d. Not for drawing though. I believe Adobe's apps may work with it, but I don't use Adobe apps anymore and the Affinity apps don't work with it unfortunately.
@@UHStudio Affinity is awesome. Thanks for switching away from Adobe$ nonsense.
さんこうになりました。ありがとうございます。
You're welcome 😉
Is this to be combined with a mouse or not?
Yeah because the 3D mice only move the view, they don't move the mouse pointer itself.
Yes as Gub has mentioned, it's only for 3d navigation and you use it with your left hand. You still have your mouse in your right hand (or vice versa if you are left handed)
🤯 thanks for answering!
Good to know.thanks for answering.