Only two of them are emotions though. Others are concepts rather than pure emotions, thus before Nurgle and Tzeench there should be a god of shame, which is an extremely strong emotion. There should also be the god of love because it's one of the strongest emotions (no, Slaneesh has nothing to do with the emotion of love). Maybe these emotions were omitted to keep things edgy?
@@NyoAtype Thing is despite all the soppy films, overall love isn't really a strong force. Not on the grand scheme of thinks anyway. And Nurgle loves everyone
I've basically only been watching these lore videos and literally know nothing but what's said in them and I've been thinking the exact same thing.. xD
It's Malal, and he's too busy convincing the eldar he's called Yanead. He is the essence of order from chaos, and it's self destructive nature. All the other gods feed into him, and he feeds them too. He caused the war between them, and won't rest until he's consumed them and eats himself, only to explode back into the raw stuff of chaos give birth to them again. But that's only if you believe that he's real... which he isn't. Shh!
This "change" pleases my master. As this video shifts our views, his power and reach grows with every reaction. The minds of gods are not for mortals to know or judge, accept that Tzeentch has a place for us all in his grand scheme, and be happy you have a part to play.
If the warp works off of strong emotions and basically belief then with so much of humanity for 10,000 years believing in the Emperor being a god why hasn't this power basically revived the Emperor and restored his divinity? Would perhaps taking his body directly into the warp like right into the eye of terror maybe bring this about?
Actalzy I think emotions create realities within the warp. So believing and feeling would not create a physical reality. But the imperial cult may empower the emperor's spirit form within the warp, and that form may reach out to interact with the material reality in certain ways.
Actalzy It's so mind boggling, how much these man made metaphors apply to currently civilization. I'm curious how much of this myth will become reference.
Malice lives! There are some who say there are books recently published by BL that support this... But it would be a minor power, since as an antithesis it can never become stronger than the powers it feeds off of and opposes - plus it's not a 'pure' power like the others. Would be cool to see some new demon designs, though.
If the gods are created by people's faith and there are still people believing in Malice, cannon or not - Malice lives :D Some of the people who play the WH40k game believe in him - therefore he exists regardless if GW approves of this or no. Once you create a God, you cant easily undo him. Just look at the Eldar :)
Should Malice ever become active and brought into the physical realm, he mostly would have too many enemies against him. Each Chaos Master would not want any of their followers to fall under his influence. Also, the Imperium Of Man would not dare ally with such a nut job. I do think though it would be interesting to see a fifth Master of Chaos to appear during the conflict and become the added issue that the forces of order would have to face.
I would argue that the emotion of betrayal and rebellion is one of the most powerful feelings of all the known universe. Humans who grow from children to young adults do nothing but rebel. They question their superiors, and the way of the old consistently. It is in human nature. The Orcs are another source of betrayal. There is so much infighting and backstabbing just to keep them in perpetual war that this could fuel Malice. The entire inquisition, religious casts and their billions of followers betraying what the Emperor of man stood for is yet another form of fuel. Every chapter that turns to chaos as well. And every time a champion of chaos betrays another, or undermines their counterpart is yet again more fuel. There is no shortage of what could fuel the God of anarchy and rebellion as even the great God Emperor is himself a presence in the warp that is in opposition to the chaos gods. What more would malice need than that?
It’d be nice if Malice(?) was the God of Defiance & Resentment. -Anytime a lowly trooper silently curses his superior officer, that fuels Malice. Anytime a citizen rejects the laws of their society & convinces others to resist, that fuels Malice. Anytime ppl sabotage, betray, or overthrow the rulership, Malice sees them with praise. -It’d walk a fine line btwn Khorn & Tzeentch tho: not violent enough for Khorn, not scheming enough for Tzeentch; just small acts of resentment, defiance, rebellion, ultimately growing into anarchy; which could b non-violent in the eyes of Khorn, but still disorderly enough to be considered Chaotic.
well choas is formed from the most powerful and basic emotions its why they seem so evil theres more simple dark emotions in the 40k galaxy then there is positive ones and resentment and spite is one of the stupid basic powerful emotions
Jack Ream Yea.. *Imperium soldier doesn’t pick up his rubbish at camp site thus littering* - *Malice leans back in his throne, enjoying a surge of pure ecstasy*
I have been following this channel for about a month now; listening during my daily commute. I love the 40K lore. Its always funny when someone next to me hears from my car "The chaos gods and the forces of chaos that serve them" and slowly turn to look and see if I look as crazy as I sound.
join the 3 sigilites,their color scymes are brown as main color,light dark blue as trim,and a purple gun,or black with brown as trim for decented cross,the 3 sigilies symbol is a circle with 2 horn like things and a blood dot in the middle of the horns, '.' '(0)' just connect the horns from sides at the top of the circle,imagine the circle as a head with horns and a blood dot tattoo. ,the flag is 3 eagles or something like that, oh wait,3 planets, one huge circle at the top with random dots,one on the left with a line in the middle,and one thats red and macanicam stuff on it. (0......) (1) (0)''',,, . (trademarked)
I just noticed,... INDIAN LEGION!!!!(trademarked) the dot on their head. the color scyme... still it should have SOME Indian things,malcidor could be based off of gondi.(trademarked) also add some other cool culture stuff too,they use the sword/knife/spear/axe thing from africa,its like an axe but muiltpurpuse,or as the sigilites would think muliti purpuse,muilti porpuse.
I always though of Malice as a rebel god, I mean his follower constantly fighting against any form of control. Such "LEAVE ME THE F#CK ALONE!!!" attitude.
Demitri I agree with ya statement. The Chaos Master Malice is going against his own allies and would be associates; however, it is hard to say what his true aim is other than to have destruction told in on itself.
Pretty badass, as a pretty new fan it's exciting to see the older lore and things that aren't current or still circulating in 40k. Keep up the good work guys!
To me, Malice as god of anarchy makes no sense, because anarchy is not a feeling. But. It would be nice to re-introduce him as a god of terror and fear, because this is a very stong feeling and none of 4 other gods represent it. God of Fear and Terror would be awesome and would fit the lore well.
The fifth demon god is... The Emperor. He fits all the requirements. He is not a Chaos god but a demon god of order. His emotional realm covers the crushing obedience of subservience that comes from fear and shame. His sacred number is 5 and he demands sacrifices of 1000s of souls (Psykers) to his alter.
1: Yahweh and Allah are the same god viewed through different lenses. 2: Of course their fucking evil how can they not be? to quote (kudos to those who catch it.) "He’s head over heels! He couldn’t possibly write the saga of this world continuously and restlessly without love. I’m sure he has loads of fun writing it, enjoying his own work all the while. God loves human virtues like courage and hope, but he loves screams, blood, and despair just as much. If he didn’t, there’s no way fresh intestines could be so colourful! That’s why I’m sure the world is filled with God’s love!"
yahwe is in DND terms a good aligment god its just he let humans make the choice bewteen good and evil after they gained knowledge and awarness basically letting humanity have the free will they wanted but free will like freedom dosent mean no consequences for your own actions
Hey I just started getting into the table top and my first army was necrons. The first video I saw of yours was the lore behind the necrons and it was really interesting. I never knew how they came to be but it made me love that race even more
Malice should represent the emotion that can be stronger than anger or thirst for pleasure; lack of emotion. Apathy. Why not create a Chaos God who wants nothing but to bring everything to the void?
He does that's what malice wants to do. However such a God shouldn’t be too powerful because MOST people like living. The only time you would WANT to want to not live would be if there is something wrong with you because by definition desire is a positive thing. Your motivations are enforced by positive emotions so that God would be weak. If you want to murder someone that's still positive because you'll feel good or right in killing them.
@@HelloThere..... Warhammer 40K universe sucks, you will suffer and die (especially if certain elves take you prisoner) but now there is this random fucking Chaos god who offers you powers, a common nobody, and chance to purge universe/chaos gods for the pain and suffering they caused before slipping into peaceful rest - There is your motivation. You might say that "motivation to be apathetic is a paradox" but at this point you are arguing semantics.
A long time ago in the pages of White Dwarf magazine or at least the yearly specials, there was a comic book concerning the Disciple of the Chaos God Malal - Kaleb Daark/ Dark. That's the source of "Malice". It was canon 25 years ago. It was meant to be random. He was a lone wolf with great powers.
Malus or Malal was originally a minor Chaos god in Warhammer Fantasy Battle. There were also gods of Law such as Solkan which were the opposite of Chaos gods in that they embodied supreme order and had angels rather than daemons in their armies, those weren't brought over from WFB though. Orginally in 40K there were meant to be numerous other minor Chaos gods these were lumped together as 'Independents' and Malus would have been classed as one of those if you wanted to make a Chaos that followed him.
If I am to die a heretic I will merely rise again, for I can't die until I'm loyal and I'll never serve! Not even the Chaos Gods can control me for I serve no one! (except for my Loli master.) {For the Loli Empress of Apocryphain Kind!}
Translation:He can't die until his Empress orders him to die, and She wants to keep him. [Her decisions can't be altered by external forces{even if the force in question is internal, as long as external influence exists, her decisions aren't effected by said influence.}]
I really like the concept of the chaos gods having a seemingly good intention grotesquingly twisted (Nurgle rebuilding the galaxy into something better, Slanesh giving pleasure, Tzeench spreading knowledge, Khorne ... ?) so this malice god is hard to fit well for it wants to destroy chaos (which can be seen as evil) with equal brutality, but it has no long term independent goal like the other gods have.
As a new player of 40k I found this video super intriguing and I loved the idea of the sons of malice. I have been thinking of what legion to do for my choas marines and I'm going to do some research and perhaps have them devoted to killing chaos. I would also love to win that Librarian for my imperial fists. Thanks for the awesome content I listen all day while i work.
Question: Do you think the chaos demons would come to the humanity's aid if threatened to continue their own existence? P.s. love the channel and content keep it up!
There's an interesting idea in the novel "Agent of Chaos" by Norman Spinrad (nothing to do with 40k admittedly) that this reminds me of. In that story he puts forward the idea that 'in order to be truly chaotic, chaos must not only be the enemy of order, it must also be the enemy of chaos'. That makes sense to me because if a force is totally focused on one aim (anti order), then isn't that very orderly itself?
Actually the Dark Gods are, well, not evil. Nurgle is also a god of compassion and love, Tzeentch is patron of hope and progress, Khorne despises cowards and unhonorable scum, and Slaanesh favours ones who seek perfection and beauty, and Malal is strongly connected to justice and freedom. It is living creatures and their emotions who made gods dark. They are nothing more than a mirror of our souls. That's why Warhammer is so grimdark - evil has won long, long time ago, and it did so in hearts of men, eldar and all other species.
One of my favorite topics in Warhammer. Only thing missing in the video I feel is the idea that at the end, Malice will out live all the other Chaos Gods, and they know it. They fear him but know deep within that Malice will remain. And that they have no chance.
Not to not pick, but anarchy doesn't mean no order. It just means no rulers. You can google the different anarchist philosophies and political views, such as anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-capitalism.
plus weopon customization for heroes and random guys,both sword,knife,fist,axe,2 handed axe,warhammer,claws,chainsword,and chainfist. then heavy bolter,lascannon,bloter pistle with beyenet customization,plasma gun,assault rifle bolter,sub machine gun bloter,or sheild,choice of sheild size,power fist/claw with choice of twin bolter on arm,plus a choice of jetpack,and a muiltitude of phycik powers for the librarian,plus switching out to random librareian and leader marine.also chaos should get more guns,and 30× more phycik powers plus amour,not to mention chaos vicles plus the inperiums vicles,(witch they own).
plus weopon customization for heroes and random guys,both sword,knife,fist,axe,2 handed axe,warhammer,claws,chainsword,and chainfist. then heavy bolter,lascannon,bloter pistle with beyenet customization,plasma gun,assault rifle bolter,sub machine gun bloter,or sheild,choice of sheild size,power fist/claw with choice of twin bolter on arm,plus a choice of jetpack,and a muiltitude of phycik powers for the librarian,plus switching out to random librareian and leader marine.also chaos should get more guns,and 30× more phycik powers plus amour,not to mention chaos vicles plus the inperiums vicles,(witch they own).
Lukas the trickster should be the conduit for the 5th God. Running round the battlefield messing with friend and foe just because. All the while channeling ricky-bobbies kids screaming "Anarchy! I don't know what it is, but I love it!"
You can have torture and peace, if only you serve my master, *The Loli Empress of Apocryphain Kind!* Details of Pros, Cons [ like there's any of those, pfft.] and requirements to serve *The Loli Empress of Apocryphain Kind* can be found on the discussion page of this channel. {pending}
He seemed like a unique and interesting Chaos god and his existence makes sense. To fight chaos not for freedom, peace and for the good. But to fight chaos out of pure hatred.
So here is a question, if the only thing needed to create an entity in the warp is a strong enough emotion or idea does that mean positive emotions can have the same effect?
I have been tempted for awhile to make a renegade chapter called 'The Host of Malice'. While Malal may not be one of the prime ruinous powers, he definitely exists as a warp entity of some renown. We know that not warp all entities are malicious (some are beneficial on the very rare occasion, and the fact that the emperor has shards that work in keeping the imperium alive is proof of a similar situation, as well as multiple saint celestine's in operation). If you want to be honest, the chaos gods are chaotic but focused on a single facet of chaos. The chaos of war, the chaos of excess, the chaos of disease, the chaos of manipulation, but we dont have a major chaos entity that aspires to be anarchy for the sake of chaos. As the demon primarchs have shown us, the chaos powers are very stuck in their way, and in their own way the chaos powers have become stagnant themselves.
Malice is probably part of all emotions that the gods of chaos feed off. I remember in fantasy how he was sealed away by the Chaos Gods of order and destruction because he was just THAT powerful. To balance out that, they had to seal off a Chaos God of Order, so that there were 4 Gods on each side. So there is no way he is weaker than the other 4. He is probably the strongest. Damn, I have such a badass idea for his champion that my spine gets shivers. To be more specific, Primaris Librarian full body, but head replaced with that of a Crimson Slaughter Space Marine. Then paint him to colours of black Legion because suprisingly those are his colours.
malice - noun- desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another. the god of ill will is present in korn, tezech and slanesh. you could show this space marines chapter that is blood thursty, but not rage fuled were ther actions are planed and controled. so not bersurkers, but a blend of the plotting of tezech, desire from slanesh
I like tge idea of "chaos tau" as part of a god that is symbolic of rebellion for its own sake. From there it spreads to other factions, as the birth of slaaneah affected the Emperor's Childiren legion.. Which would also be GW showing in the lore that chaos it's not only growing but spreading wherever it's born
I personally think that Malice is a fairly cool concept, considering that the CHAOS gods all have some sense of order and goals attributed to them, Khorne even has some sort of honor-code if I'm not mistaken. Malice could be just a self-destructive TRUE chaos that just never really becomes relevant because there is no plan, no structure, no order. Chaos in its purest sense.
I like the idea of a chapter of Space Marines who"s drive is the undoing of everything, a truly mad and directionless chapter! I could see their home world being a cacophony of unraveling trust and order.
I especially like the lore surrounding Malal's followers. It's demons are gifted with various weapons and abilities that destroy other chaos entities and the sons of malice fight in complete and utterly disturbing silence. To top it off, they eat their foes. Creepy.)
I feel like Malice as the singular emobodiment of Chaos might fix the issue of him being a self-contradictory Ruinous Power. He would be the reflection of all four Chaos Gods as one and yet also dependent on them for his own survival. A sort of Avatar of Chaos in general.
Heroes of the Space Marines (Anthology) - The Labyrinth (Short Story) by Richard Ford is very much cannon. He is the only Chaos god since about 5th edition that has entered the material universe through summoning. Great video, I always Support Malal. Even had a Sons of Malice Army.
While malice is like the emperor in the sense that they are both opposites to chaos, they are at the same time polar opposites. As you mention with the Tau empire, the emperor represents order, while malice represents rebellion against order, or perhaps, what we could call chaos in a literal sense.
You know, how obsessed the empire is with destroying the chaos gods in Warhammer 40K. I could see Malice consuming the Empire of man same way slaanesh consumed the Eldar Empire.
I have not been able to find very much info on what the mutations of Mallal look like. A spin that I would find most interesting is if he would be the God of self loathing, self hatred, shame and suicidal tendency. It would fit his parasitic nature and that is an emotion you could really sell. A primarch sends his chapter to slaughter by his mistake, Mallal fuels his thoughts and feeds on his pain, giving him strength so he could bring further ruin. And his mutations would be maws that eat the flesh that is ever regenerating, keeping subjects in a place of pain. (Giveaway worthy idea?)
I think that it would be good to bring him back. The more powerful the Chaos Gods are, the more he can take from them. Seems reasonable that he hasn't been around because he's been letting them grow, as well as a race such as the Tau as you mention. The Cicatrix Maledictum story ark, as well as all that's going on with Chaos at the moment could play out to be a great opportunity for Malice to come back once it's all done and dusted. It would need a more in depth and intricate integration rather than a blunt force entry, but I would personally love to see him come back with a wealth of new things that we've never seen. Who knows what he was up to whilst away...
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"The greatest trick Malal ever pulled was convincing the galaxy he didn't exist" - 1d4chan
Nikita Chamberlain sounds like satan
@@thedango6890 congrats you got the reference
Too bad 1d4cgan is gone now :(
"The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world he was, in fact, God." What if the Emperor was, in fact, the 5th God of Chaos?
First rule of the Malice Club, You don't talk about the Malice Club...
dmastermanga is that not malals club?
Didn't say anything. What's Malal? is that like Halal Chicken? Who am I? don't even know, good day. *loud Sweating*
*Hides stack of Malice club flyers*
How dare you talk about it?!You have been officially banished from the Malice club!
All bubble blowing babies will be beaten senseless by every able-bodied patron in the bar.
when i saw "The Fifth Chaos God" i thought he meant matt ward
Ha
Maybe C.S. Goto?
Nar, they mean Gavin Thorpe
Isnt he the sixth one though?
Matt Ward had a hard on for ultramarines, there is no way he'd be a chaos god/
Khorne: BLOOD!
Tzeentch: KNOWLEDGE!
Slaanesh: PLEASURE!
Nurgle: DEATH!
Malal: LOLZ!
malal is kek
i think the mentality of "FUCK YOU" is closer to malal view of exitense
@@wilmagregg3131 too bad he isn't canon
Only two of them are emotions though. Others are concepts rather than pure emotions, thus before Nurgle and Tzeench there should be a god of shame, which is an extremely strong emotion. There should also be the god of love because it's one of the strongest emotions (no, Slaneesh has nothing to do with the emotion of love). Maybe these emotions were omitted to keep things edgy?
@@NyoAtype
Thing is despite all the soppy films, overall love isn't really a strong force. Not on the grand scheme of thinks anyway.
And Nurgle loves everyone
Plot twist: The emperor is actually the 5th chaos god. He play with both human and chaos undivided for all along.
keroji s Heretic prepare To be Purge
I've basically only been watching these lore videos and literally know nothing but what's said in them and I've been thinking the exact same thing.. xD
:')
Heresy
Emperor is dead but the Star Child is growing
It's Malal, and he's too busy convincing the eldar he's called Yanead. He is the essence of order from chaos, and it's self destructive nature. All the other gods feed into him, and he feeds them too. He caused the war between them, and won't rest until he's consumed them and eats himself, only to explode back into the raw stuff of chaos give birth to them again. But that's only if you believe that he's real... which he isn't. Shh!
Sounds like the godhead story from Hinduism
If yanead ends up being malal that'd be so interesting. But man the eldar cant catch a break lol
5th chaos god is Matt Ward with its power of plot armour and ruiner of lore
Matt Ward would be the 6th chaos god
Royce the Arctic Fox I thought the rat god was the sixth?
He’s a nurgling that stole good armour
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Ah, irony of ironies, I was greeted with an ad for a video bible school.
Chaos for the god of chaos
This "change" pleases my master. As this video shifts our views, his power and reach grows with every reaction. The minds of gods are not for mortals to know or judge, accept that Tzeentch has a place for us all in his grand scheme, and be happy you have a part to play.
So basically chaos gods have inflicted so much suffering on others their antithesis formed from it.
I like this one, for now...
If the warp works off of strong emotions and basically belief then with so much of humanity for 10,000 years believing in the Emperor being a god why hasn't this power basically revived the Emperor and restored his divinity? Would perhaps taking his body directly into the warp like right into the eye of terror maybe bring this about?
Actalzy I think emotions create realities within the warp. So believing and feeling would not create a physical reality. But the imperial cult may empower the emperor's spirit form within the warp, and that form may reach out to interact with the material reality in certain ways.
Actalzy Blasphemous talk!
Sounds a lot like heresy!
Tzeentch among us, brothers, pay heed.
Actalzy It's so mind boggling, how much these man made metaphors apply to currently civilization. I'm curious how much of this myth will become reference.
Malice lives! There are some who say there are books recently published by BL that support this... But it would be a minor power, since as an antithesis it can never become stronger than the powers it feeds off of and opposes - plus it's not a 'pure' power like the others. Would be cool to see some new demon designs, though.
Mikko Hernborg im pretty sure he cant exist for legal issues
If the gods are created by people's faith and there are still people believing in Malice, cannon or not - Malice lives :D
Some of the people who play the WH40k game believe in him - therefore he exists regardless if GW approves of this or no.
Once you create a God, you cant easily undo him. Just look at the Eldar :)
Should Malice ever become active and brought into the physical realm, he mostly would have too many enemies against him. Each Chaos Master would not want any of their followers to fall under his influence. Also, the Imperium Of Man would not dare ally with such a nut job. I do think though it would be interesting to see a fifth Master of Chaos to appear during the conflict and become the added issue that the forces of order would have to face.
I would argue that the emotion of betrayal and rebellion is one of the most powerful feelings of all the known universe. Humans who grow from children to young adults do nothing but rebel. They question their superiors, and the way of the old consistently. It is in human nature. The Orcs are another source of betrayal. There is so much infighting and backstabbing just to keep them in perpetual war that this could fuel Malice. The entire inquisition, religious casts and their billions of followers betraying what the Emperor of man stood for is yet another form of fuel. Every chapter that turns to chaos as well. And every time a champion of chaos betrays another, or undermines their counterpart is yet again more fuel. There is no shortage of what could fuel the God of anarchy and rebellion as even the great God Emperor is himself a presence in the warp that is in opposition to the chaos gods. What more would malice need than that?
@zmeyagosho
so are you saying that humans can tap into the waaaaagh!!!!!!
It’d be nice if Malice(?) was the God of Defiance & Resentment. -Anytime a lowly trooper silently curses his superior officer, that fuels Malice. Anytime a citizen rejects the laws of their society & convinces others to resist, that fuels Malice. Anytime ppl sabotage, betray, or overthrow the rulership, Malice sees them with praise. -It’d walk a fine line btwn Khorn & Tzeentch tho: not violent enough for Khorn, not scheming enough for Tzeentch; just small acts of resentment, defiance, rebellion, ultimately growing into anarchy; which could b non-violent in the eyes of Khorn, but still disorderly enough to be considered Chaotic.
So the god of petty bullshit then?
well choas is formed from the most powerful and basic emotions its why they seem so evil theres more simple dark emotions in the 40k galaxy then there is positive ones and resentment and spite is one of the stupid basic powerful emotions
Jack Ream Yea.. *Imperium soldier doesn’t pick up his rubbish at camp site thus littering* - *Malice leans back in his throne, enjoying a surge of pure ecstasy*
fantastic idea
@@Rebellions id even go as far as to say god of sabotage perhaps
Chaos: what are you doing?
Also chaos: I'm kickin my oWN ASS!!!
What if every arrow of the chaos wheel depicts one chaos God? Therefore there could exist 8 gods. It would be cool to see new ones
I BLESS THIS COMENT SECTION IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR! PRAISE THE GOD EMPEROR! THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!
Deciccio Justice VULKAN LIVES
I prefer THE MAN EMPEROR OF MANDKIND
I prefer the god of tits and wine #FORSLANNESH
Slaneesh is a trap just so you know. it was a pleasant suprise
and sometime attacks
Just starting my army this month. Been using you guys to get caught up in the lore. Thanks guys
Malice is a fun chaos god it's to bad he's no longer cannon
no it doesn't. Plus its Age of Sigmar now.
I have been following this channel for about a month now; listening during my daily commute. I love the 40K lore. Its always funny when someone next to me hears from my car "The chaos gods and the forces of chaos that serve them" and slowly turn to look and see if I look as crazy as I sound.
Sweet video. I know you guys don't really rate Malice but I wish they'd bring him back, he's dope! In my opinion
lou grannum I'd wish He and his creator would make up....
join the 3 sigilites,their color scymes are brown as main color,light dark blue as trim,and a purple gun,or black with brown as trim for decented cross,the 3 sigilies symbol is a circle with 2 horn like things and a blood dot in the middle of the horns,
'.'
'(0)' just connect the horns from sides at the top of the circle,imagine the circle as a head with horns and a blood dot tattoo.
,the flag is 3 eagles or something like that,
oh wait,3 planets,
one huge circle at the top with random dots,one on the left with a line in the middle,and one thats red and macanicam stuff on it.
(0......)
(1) (0)''',,,
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(trademarked)
I just noticed,... INDIAN LEGION!!!!(trademarked)
the dot on their head.
the color scyme...
still it should have SOME Indian things,malcidor could be based off of gondi.(trademarked)
also add some other cool culture stuff too,they use the sword/knife/spear/axe thing from africa,its like an axe but muiltpurpuse,or as the sigilites would think muliti purpuse,muilti porpuse.
You dont look old enough to remember Malice. Even I dont and I was playing 30 years ago.
Wow, you too are capable of reading the wiki word for word. What an impressive display!
I always though of Malice as a rebel god, I mean his follower constantly fighting against any form of control. Such "LEAVE ME THE F#CK ALONE!!!" attitude.
Demitri I agree with ya statement. The Chaos Master Malice is going against his own allies and would be associates; however, it is hard to say what his true aim is other than to have destruction told in on itself.
Pretty badass, as a pretty new fan it's exciting to see the older lore and things that aren't current or still circulating in 40k. Keep up the good work guys!
"I don't believe you!"
"WeLc0Me To tHe CLuB..."
Your videos are very informative & give new players a good insight into the hobby background of warhammer 40k & Age of Sigmar. Keep up the great work.
To me, Malice as god of anarchy makes no sense, because anarchy is not a feeling. But. It would be nice to re-introduce him as a god of terror and fear, because this is a very stong feeling and none of 4 other gods represent it. God of Fear and Terror would be awesome and would fit the lore well.
As much as I like that Idea, the Night Lords do not need a God all their own lol
Plague isn't an emotion either.
Both Sloth and Gluttony are 7 deadly sins that fit its style.
Zack Daggy True. But Malice is fear and terror in the same way nurgle is sloth and gluttony.
I agree. That's why it could definitely work.
Skip to minute mark to hear about the fifth god. Play at two times speed to hear him talk normal.
The fifth demon god is... The Emperor. He fits all the requirements. He is not a Chaos god but a demon god of order. His emotional realm covers the crushing obedience of subservience that comes from fear and shame. His sacred number is 5 and he demands sacrifices of 1000s of souls (Psykers) to his alter.
1: Yahweh and Allah are the same god viewed through different lenses.
2: Of course their fucking evil how can they not be? to quote (kudos to those who catch it.)
"He’s head over heels! He couldn’t possibly write the saga of this world continuously and restlessly without love. I’m sure he has loads of fun writing it, enjoying his own work all the while. God loves human virtues like courage and hope, but he loves screams, blood, and despair just as much. If he didn’t, there’s no way fresh intestines could be so colourful! That’s why I’m sure the world is filled with God’s love!"
yahwe is in DND terms a good aligment god its just he let humans make the choice bewteen good and evil after they gained knowledge and awarness basically letting humanity have the free will they wanted but free will like freedom dosent mean no consequences for your own actions
@@quintoncraig9299 Fate?
Hey I just started getting into the table top and my first army was necrons. The first video I saw of yours was the lore behind the necrons and it was really interesting. I never knew how they came to be but it made me love that race even more
Wonder what would of have happened if Abaddon Sided with Malice.....
Who says he hasn't already, this might be why he hasn't taken a demonhood.
ArandomNutter true but if it were it to be like this, wouldnt it be considered as Abaddon not part of main lore?
ArandomNutter and his legion wouldnt be just chaos marines rather all races in the 40K universe?
Eh seeing his failures I'm not even sure I would want to side with him...now that Sly Marbo...that I could use!
C'mon guys send me that librarian all the way to Scotland. Keep up the good work. You guys got me back into 40k after 10 years out thankyou OMS
Malice should represent the emotion that can be stronger than anger or thirst for pleasure; lack of emotion. Apathy. Why not create a Chaos God who wants nothing but to bring everything to the void?
He does that's what malice wants to do. However such a God shouldn’t be too powerful because MOST people like living. The only time you would WANT to want to not live would be if there is something wrong with you because by definition desire is a positive thing. Your motivations are enforced by positive emotions so that God would be weak. If you want to murder someone that's still positive because you'll feel good or right in killing them.
@@HelloThere..... Warhammer 40K universe sucks, you will suffer and die (especially if certain elves take you prisoner) but now there is this random fucking Chaos god who offers you powers, a common nobody, and chance to purge universe/chaos gods for the pain and suffering they caused before slipping into peaceful rest - There is your motivation. You might say that "motivation to be apathetic is a paradox" but at this point you are arguing semantics.
A long time ago in the pages of White Dwarf magazine or at least the yearly specials, there was a comic book concerning the Disciple of the Chaos God Malal - Kaleb Daark/ Dark. That's the source of "Malice". It was canon 25 years ago. It was meant to be random. He was a lone wolf with great powers.
I am pretty sure that the fifth one is Malal/Malice
BOB MARINE I'm pretty sure the fifth chaos god is Matt Ward
Malus or Malal was originally a minor Chaos god in Warhammer Fantasy Battle. There were also gods of Law such as Solkan which were the opposite of Chaos gods in that they embodied supreme order and had angels rather than daemons in their armies, those weren't brought over from WFB though. Orginally in 40K there were meant to be numerous other minor Chaos gods these were lumped together as 'Independents' and Malus would have been classed as one of those if you wanted to make a Chaos that followed him.
PRAISE THE GOD EMPEROR!
No!
It's praise the sun! \[T]/
If I am to die a heretic I will merely rise again, for I can't die until I'm loyal and I'll never serve!
Not even the Chaos Gods can control me for I serve no one! (except for my Loli master.)
{For the Loli Empress of Apocryphain Kind!}
Translation:He can't die until his Empress orders him to die, and She wants to keep him.
[Her decisions can't be altered by external forces{even if the force in question is internal, as long as external influence exists, her decisions aren't effected by said influence.}]
I really like the concept of the chaos gods having a seemingly good intention grotesquingly twisted (Nurgle rebuilding the galaxy into something better, Slanesh giving pleasure, Tzeench spreading knowledge, Khorne ... ?) so this malice god is hard to fit well for it wants to destroy chaos (which can be seen as evil) with equal brutality, but it has no long term independent goal like the other gods have.
For Khorne it's giving strength to those that deserve it. For Malice it would be purification, or the desire to rebuild.
I say bring back Malice as another Chaos God, and have Horace become his war-master to lead a chaotic legion against chaos as a means of penance.
That shit'd be cool
yeeeeees
Hey guys, thanks again for these videos. It helps me finish painting my models!
just a question, malice = Malal ?
As a new player of 40k I found this video super intriguing and I loved the idea of the sons of malice. I have been thinking of what legion to do for my choas marines and I'm going to do some research and perhaps have them devoted to killing chaos. I would also love to win that Librarian for my imperial fists. Thanks for the awesome content I listen all day while i work.
What about gork and mork?
IMO probably minor gods, I don't know the cannon on it but I know that if enough things believe it to be, then it is so, in the warp.
2nd and 11th primarchs
@@blazednlovinit Who'z you calling minor, ya git!
@@jamessalvatore7054 Are you an Ork?
If so I have a cyclonic with your name on it
Thanks for your videos, they're great for people like me who are just beginning to collect this miniatures.
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Awesome video guys! I never would've known Malice existed without this
Question: who is Kheradruakh, the decapitator. The dark eldar dude. Like what's happening in his twisted life.
Getting back into 40k, currently repaint ing my tyranids! Would love a primaris librarian to kick start a Space Marine army! Keep up the awesome work!
Question: Do you think the chaos demons would come to the humanity's aid if threatened to continue their own existence?
P.s. love the channel and content keep it up!
There's an interesting idea in the novel "Agent of Chaos" by Norman Spinrad (nothing to do with 40k admittedly) that this reminds me of. In that story he puts forward the idea that 'in order to be truly chaotic, chaos must not only be the enemy of order, it must also be the enemy of chaos'. That makes sense to me because if a force is totally focused on one aim (anti order), then isn't that very orderly itself?
So only negative energies create chaos gods? Why can't good energies create "good gods" in warp?
because negative > positive. Dark Side>Light Side. Chaos>Order. etc.
Most elven god is positive god , their other name is cadai.
Actually the Dark Gods are, well, not evil. Nurgle is also a god of compassion and love, Tzeentch is patron of hope and progress, Khorne despises cowards and unhonorable scum, and Slaanesh favours ones who seek perfection and beauty, and Malal is strongly connected to justice and freedom. It is living creatures and their emotions who made gods dark. They are nothing more than a mirror of our souls. That's why Warhammer is so grimdark - evil has won long, long time ago, and it did so in hearts of men, eldar and all other species.
isn't the warp a neutral entity and to bring balance to the positive energies it became purely negative?
Its just that it becomes so confusingly corruptedly beyond the universe that attempting to get a "good" chaos god is near impossible
One of my favorite topics in Warhammer. Only thing missing in the video I feel is the idea that at the end, Malice will out live all the other Chaos Gods, and they know it. They fear him but know deep within that Malice will remain. And that they have no chance.
Not to not pick, but anarchy doesn't mean no order. It just means no rulers.
You can google the different anarchist philosophies and political views, such as anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-capitalism.
anarchy leads to dictators
There is only one type of anarchy anything that puts the label anarcho on it is pseudo-anarchy
So you want a Chaos Tau Faction, that fights for Malice.
Chaos Fire Warriors and Chaos Kroots... that could be Awesome.
I think that is nearly impossible because Tau dont have a real psychic that reflects in the warp. They cabt be really affected by chaos
blood for the blood god
Are you okay Bob? Did you stop weed and start meth or something?
bob marly he have a bad travel hahaha
Heretic
Heresy
Flowers for the Floral Throne.
Glad to have learned about this retconned chaos god he sounds awesome! Thanks for the info!
Chaos terminators?
in dow?and chaos drednaughnts in dow 1/dlc?plus lasguns?
plus weopon customization for heroes and random guys,both sword,knife,fist,axe,2 handed axe,warhammer,claws,chainsword,and chainfist.
then heavy bolter,lascannon,bloter pistle with beyenet customization,plasma gun,assault rifle bolter,sub machine gun bloter,or sheild,choice of sheild size,power fist/claw with choice of twin bolter on arm,plus a choice of jetpack,and a muiltitude of phycik powers for the librarian,plus switching out to random librareian and leader marine.also chaos should get more guns,and 30× more phycik powers plus amour,not to mention chaos vicles plus the inperiums vicles,(witch they own).
plus weopon customization for heroes and random guys,both sword,knife,fist,axe,2 handed axe,warhammer,claws,chainsword,and chainfist.
then heavy bolter,lascannon,bloter pistle with beyenet customization,plasma gun,assault rifle bolter,sub machine gun bloter,or sheild,choice of sheild size,power fist/claw with choice of twin bolter on arm,plus a choice of jetpack,and a muiltitude of phycik powers for the librarian,plus switching out to random librareian and leader marine.also chaos should get more guns,and 30× more phycik powers plus amour,not to mention chaos vicles plus the inperiums vicles,(witch they own).
Heresy
Need this for my Primarus chapter!!! You guys rock!!!
The thought of a 5th chaos god is scary
Yep
Lukas the trickster should be the conduit for the 5th God. Running round the battlefield messing with friend and foe just because. All the while channeling ricky-bobbies kids screaming "Anarchy! I don't know what it is, but I love it!"
Comment: bring Malice back!
Yes
zenunla no
I'm starting a scythes of the emperors army and this really could go a long way towards helping me build it
Horus did nothing wrong!
Well he did let his guard down, allowing him to be slain by psychic mind bullets.
Horus did fuck up a bit though, after all he did die and that counts as a failure [even if temporary] in our books.
He even managed to trick people into thinking he isn’t canon
I had always heard that it was a legal thing with a writer leaving GW.
MoggAssassin That is the real reason. Originally it was Malal. But since Malal was that writer's creation, they reintroduced him as Malice.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos
Slay chaos!
I seek torture,I seek peace,I can't have both.
You can have torture and peace, if only you serve my master, *The Loli Empress of Apocryphain Kind!*
Details of Pros, Cons [ like there's any of those, pfft.] and requirements to serve
*The Loli Empress of Apocryphain Kind* can be found on the discussion page of this channel.
{pending}
Stay chaos
Alright Daemons let’s get in formation 👐🏾.
He seemed like a unique and interesting Chaos god and his existence makes sense. To fight chaos not for freedom, peace and for the good. But to fight chaos out of pure hatred.
So here is a question, if the only thing needed to create an entity in the warp is a strong enough emotion or idea does that mean positive emotions can have the same effect?
I have been tempted for awhile to make a renegade chapter called 'The Host of Malice'. While Malal may not be one of the prime ruinous powers, he definitely exists as a warp entity of some renown. We know that not warp all entities are malicious (some are beneficial on the very rare occasion, and the fact that the emperor has shards that work in keeping the imperium alive is proof of a similar situation, as well as multiple saint celestine's in operation). If you want to be honest, the chaos gods are chaotic but focused on a single facet of chaos. The chaos of war, the chaos of excess, the chaos of disease, the chaos of manipulation, but we dont have a major chaos entity that aspires to be anarchy for the sake of chaos. As the demon primarchs have shown us, the chaos powers are very stuck in their way, and in their own way the chaos powers have become stagnant themselves.
Malice is probably part of all emotions that the gods of chaos feed off. I remember in fantasy how he was sealed away by the Chaos Gods of order and destruction because he was just THAT powerful. To balance out that, they had to seal off a Chaos God of Order, so that there were 4 Gods on each side. So there is no way he is weaker than the other 4. He is probably the strongest. Damn, I have such a badass idea for his champion that my spine gets shivers.
To be more specific, Primaris Librarian full body, but head replaced with that of a Crimson Slaughter Space Marine. Then paint him to colours of black Legion because suprisingly those are his colours.
I've never wanted to make a fluffy CSM auxiliary T'au army until now. Thanks
The thought of a Chaos Tau running around in XV8 armor or even a Tau inspired demon...A man can dream
Did Malice not turn a Space Marine chapter? I seem to remember a warband/chapter called Children of Malice or Disciples of Malice.
robbe Torfs yea, you were close to their name, they're called the sons of malice.
malice - noun- desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another. the god of ill will is present in korn, tezech and slanesh.
you could show this space marines chapter that is blood thursty, but not rage fuled were ther actions are planed and controled. so not bersurkers, but a blend of the plotting of tezech, desire from slanesh
I like tge idea of "chaos tau" as part of a god that is symbolic of rebellion for its own sake. From there it spreads to other factions, as the birth of slaaneah affected the Emperor's Childiren legion.. Which would also be GW showing in the lore that chaos it's not only growing but spreading wherever it's born
All praise the God Emperor, that librarian looks awesome.
I personally think that Malice is a fairly cool concept, considering that the CHAOS gods all have some sense of order and goals attributed to them, Khorne even has some sort of honor-code if I'm not mistaken. Malice could be just a self-destructive TRUE chaos that just never really becomes relevant because there is no plan, no structure, no order. Chaos in its purest sense.
I like the idea of a chapter of Space Marines who"s drive is the undoing of everything, a truly mad and directionless chapter! I could see their home world being a cacophony of unraveling trust and order.
and how would they 'organize'?
no.
Love the information on 40k that you guys provide. Keep it up!
Nicely... always nice to hear more about the 40k universe, and how it unfolds! And the primaris would help my space marines out!
I especially like the lore surrounding Malal's followers. It's demons are gifted with various weapons and abilities that destroy other chaos entities and the sons of malice fight in complete and utterly disturbing silence. To top it off, they eat their foes. Creepy.)
Seems like a cool thing to have a chaos force that fights both the chaos and non chaos alike.... true chaos!
Love the videos, really glad I found your channel
interesting idea. i agree that this would only be a minor power, but nice to add flavor to any campaign.
Question: What space marines where stronger and better armed? Those who lived in 30k and Horus Heresy or those of 40k (without primaris marines)?
Never heard of this Chaos god before. Nice video!!!
The lore video was awesome keep up the awesome work!
I feel like Malice as the singular emobodiment of Chaos might fix the issue of him being a self-contradictory Ruinous Power. He would be the reflection of all four Chaos Gods as one and yet also dependent on them for his own survival. A sort of Avatar of Chaos in general.
Question: did u guys watch the SFM animation of the helsreach audiobook?
Heroes of the Space Marines (Anthology) - The Labyrinth (Short Story) by Richard Ford is very much cannon. He is the only Chaos god since about 5th edition that has entered the material universe through summoning.
Great video, I always Support Malal. Even had a Sons of Malice Army.
While malice is like the emperor in the sense that they are both opposites to chaos, they are at the same time polar opposites. As you mention with the Tau empire, the emperor represents order, while malice represents rebellion against order, or perhaps, what we could call chaos in a literal sense.
Farsight's sword is believed to be an artifact from to C'tan. It could be possible that GW could bring Malice back as a forgotten C'tan.
You know, how obsessed the empire is with destroying the chaos gods in Warhammer 40K. I could see Malice consuming the Empire of man same way slaanesh consumed the Eldar Empire.
I have not been able to find very much info on what the mutations of Mallal look like. A spin that I would find most interesting is if he would be the God of self loathing, self hatred, shame and suicidal tendency. It would fit his parasitic nature and that is an emotion you could really sell. A primarch sends his chapter to slaughter by his mistake, Mallal fuels his thoughts and feeds on his pain, giving him strength so he could bring further ruin. And his mutations would be maws that eat the flesh that is ever regenerating, keeping subjects in a place of pain.
(Giveaway worthy idea?)
Love your videos guys. Hope to see many, many more in the future!
Groovy videos! I've never played the table top but play other 40k games. I'm thinking of necrons! But that librarian would also be cool. 😎
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I think that it would be good to bring him back. The more powerful the Chaos Gods are, the more he can take from them. Seems reasonable that he hasn't been around because he's been letting them grow, as well as a race such as the Tau as you mention. The Cicatrix Maledictum story ark, as well as all that's going on with Chaos at the moment could play out to be a great opportunity for Malice to come back once it's all done and dusted. It would need a more in depth and intricate integration rather than a blunt force entry, but I would personally love to see him come back with a wealth of new things that we've never seen. Who knows what he was up to whilst away...
Your outro always gets me, i always forget its there hahahahaha