@@rapidmark2700 humble ? he is mad at himself or the situation he was in all the time, not at his team mates. You guys see someone passionate about the game and make him look like he trashtalk everyone on his team. Do you look at the interviews he does from time to time ? he does have a big ego but only for himself he respect his mates and the oponnent
If the win condition for Vitality is zywoo getting an 1.5+ rating, than the structure of the system is lacking. Zywoo will have certain weaker/average performances (wich is normal and fine) than the rest of the team should in that case step up. Vitality rn looks a bit (but not as extreme) like teams such as G2 and Spirit, where they will not perform whenever their starplayers won't pop-off. Vitality needs a restructure to perform more predictable, new strats, different positions, maybe after the major swap out some players, etc.
I agree. The one caveat I would add is that Mouz is genuinely a good team, and right now, it seems like no team is going to be able to secure a stable #1 (aside from maybe Navi). Vitality didn't win today, but the difference was maybe 1-2 clutches against a very good team. That's not to say adjustments shouldn't be made, it is just saying that this isn't a terrible outcome when you consider this easily could have been a grand finals match up based on rosters. FlameZ and Mezii both looked good today, it just so happened that they never looked good on the same map.
@@itszaque i feel line spinx is really not getting the shit he deserves sometimes. If zywoo plays bad the whole community comes after him. But spinx still hasnt found form imo. He should be right there behind zywoo on the scoreboard yet i feel like he is not even the 2nd best player on the team
@mariushager9983 I feel the same way. It reminds me of Ropz honestly, both players can have decent stat lines but with relatively low impact. If you're going to spend a majority of your time lurking then you better be finding the impact necessary to prevent clutches by the other team in the first place. Both of them simply haven't been able to do that as of late.
even if they did end up losing that match, kda isn't everythingy my guy. I can be 15 and 0 and it doesn't mean anything because they're all useless kills
I know K/D is not everything, but the guy went +40 vs Mongolz when NO ONE ELSE in the server was even positive. It's the rest of the team that need to step up.
10:12 is an interaction where the volumetric smoke is constantly blooming and puts out the molly. it also happens semi frequently at ancient mid. it really should not do that...
The end was wild, to a lifelong gold nova, I was saying, STOP PEEKING, to apex, et al after zywoo died. It just looked so bad to me. But when you explain it, it doesn’t sound crazy what they did. They got smoked though and hind sight is 20/20.
Watching this back, their b setup looks so bad. Look at how many rounds they leave one player at sandbags/banana while apex just stays on site and sometimes throws a flash and then goes to dark/fountain, I don't think they traded a single kill or had any crossfire setups on site, so messy
In fairness FlameZ dies at sandbags about 3x as frequently as he's supposed to there. He seems allergic to actually leaving the position in this game, so we don't see any crossfires on site because he dies prematurely.
With XTQZZZ and apEX being untouchable due to their nationalities, this team will always look for scapegoats elsewhere. It's amazing to think about how many trophies Zywoo has lost to this while still being completely oblivious about it seemingly. Even in the Zonic/Magisk era one can wonder if with Vitality had just acquired whoever was the best international IGL after karrigan in late 2021, how much more could they have won? But this does give a chance for masterminds like karrigan, aleksib and siuhy to win more with lesser awpers so I don't necessarily mind.
the problem is that no matter how good they are, you can still feel the vibrations -- which is what i think they feel with sound cancelling headphones. I don't think they can hear individuals just the rumbling. Also they're insanely expensive and a lot of places don't allow them due to fire regulations
i haven't really decided on a true number but i think most people will rebuy if it's under 40, maybe 35. i think technically you can lose slightly more but realistically you don't lose more than 35 i think
i'd say 30% of the time i watch them on the 2nd monitor while doing other stuff, 20% of the time I watch them actively, and 50% of the time I don't watch but I go over the reddit thread and look at twitter afterwards to see if there's anything interesting that happened I should notice
U DIDN’T watch map III your bias if you don’t think Zywoo disappeared in map III INFERNO ‼️Zywoo wasn’t himself.. The shots he normally hits on a high percentage he missed… & the way he typically leads this team by dominating the servers I didn’t see it , especially in map INFERNO.. His awp usually dominates the entire map & opponents are nervous to run into Zywoos awp cause he rarely misses
it's hard to say if it's apex or zywoo. why didn't zywoo go B, ever? why didn't he do certain aggro plays? maybe he's being a bit more passive, but maybe it's that apex isn't calling him over to support or something. I agree one of the biggest things from players like s1mple/zywoo has always been that they're always in the right place at the right time, but I'm not sure inferno CT side is a spot where he can actually do that alone, especially when his team on B is dying super early. he did miss a few shots he normally hits but idk if that counts as choking. he might usually miss a few easy shorts per game and we just don't think about it because he ends with a great scoreline anyways
Zywoo will always go down as the most over hyped, over rated player in my book. Apex raging at his team makes him look so unlikeable. I was trying to figure out why apex was raging at spinx. He legit looked over at him with a death stare twice and angry typed in team chat. F apex. I hate him man
ZywOo is one of the best players to have ever played any version of CS, that much is undeniable. He is just nowhere near THE best , and that is perfectly fine as well.
Hes better than s1mple From the get go s1mple took years to become consistent. You need to stfu zywhoo became one n competed with him since a rookie n dawg him
Hes better than s1mple From the get go s1mple took years to become consistent. You need to stfu zywhoo became one n competed with him since a rookie n dawg him
I am just a silver player and even my eyes can catch some sus play from other teams in this tournament. Idk high level plays like you guys do but I know one thing, if there is a match fixing going on it will come out evantually because of ONE greedy guy who is not payed enough. Let's hope nothing like this happened in this tournament and this comment stays as silver guy talking.
zywoo choke is because he always falls off in map 3, he whiffs more by the eyetest like that 2-6 round was the perfect example of in groupstages and non map 3 playoffs, zywoo hits that shot and then all of a sudden vitality is favoured to win that round and the outcome of the game can be changed based of that roudn stopping mouz's momentum thats why people say zywoo choke, he just isnt game changing as in groupstages and like ik by the stats he played well in that map 3 vs g2 at fall finals but he got 1 kill since 12-10 or something and in ot he was in ct ticket with an awp atleaast 2-3 times in OT and whiffed every shot, like the eyetest isnt there in the most pressure moment
Are you sure? Always? That’s just tiny moments and he missed one shot, that’s hard to hit. And why do say that Zywoo choked instead of MOUZ played good. They had been avoiding him all half like other teams in a pressure moments. It’s not his fault that apex and flamez can’t hold the B side for year You can’t get 3x time top 1 with choke all the time. You can’t get Cologne MVP 2 times with choke And other great players chokes all the time like s1mple in 3/4 major finals he played or that Monesy after 3 years in tier 1 scene doesn’t have prestige MVP Zywoo got the top 1 with players below 1.0 rating 2 times I love all the great players, but the amount of hate towards Zywoo is just unnecessary
@@chandlerbing2636 because zywoo doesnt miss these shots in groupstages, thats why im saying he chokes, thats the definition of choking, whne u dont hit the shots u hit in non pressure environment also the hate towards zywoo is beacuse zywoo stans wont shut the fuck up about how he is the goat and shit and how his teamates are dogshit and zywoo is 1v9 every game and they literally think spinx and flamez are dogshit and apex cant call shit, but somehow vitality's strengths are their t sides so that doesnt add up, how can ur lurker and entry and igl be shit but ur t side is the better side and they werent avoiding him, taking banana control doesnt mean they are avoiding zywoo, and if zywoo was really that good he'd go banana and fight, thats what s1mple did and waht m0nesy does now, they are mobile with the awp and because mouz got entries on banana it made it alot easier to call, also dont act like zywoo didnt whjiff shots and allowed mouz to take arch control, in that one round zywoo whiffed and then mezii had to leave his anchor spot to get on site and help zywoo fall back, and then that allowed an A split casue no one pit to hold short, this doesnt happen in groupstages because zywoo hits the shot
He was 22-10 at the start of the round 15 against G2. He finished with 27-22. Only 5 kills in the next 15 rounds. I am not blaming zywoo and it would be a stupid thing to do, but for a guy that people claim to be the GOAT, he kind of frequently goes missing in the map 3/crucial moments.
@@sh1nenkai258 I’m saying that you said He always chokes and that isn’t true. Have you seen the CIS telegram. Till these days they call donk the GOAT for one tournament. Monesy also S1mple 3/4 he choked, Monesy after 3 years of tier 1 scene doesn’t have a prestige MVP Zywoo beat prime Faze in cs2 twice in a row. He beat prime Astralis on Cologne semi final. He stopped prime NaVi’s win streak with a clutch 1v4. I love watching all the great players and hating them is just absurd Why not just enjoy the players and not hating on them because of the stupid fans
@@chandlerbing2636the thing with monesy is that he is on this level just this year. And he barely played in grand finals. Most exits were quarters for them. Its not like monesy is the monster grand final player outside of some instances.
Man, I like this kind of video, but you sometimes need to make your point quicker. You just begin a point, then go on two tangents and then come back. Like the thing with Apex k/d or the observer and the nade sound. It's interesting, but you don't need to talk over an entire round about it.
gladly you say NO in the begining the video , and point out flamez actually cant keep up . i almost turn into werewolf mode when you made your video title " did zywoo choke" . Glad no one got devour and skin alive . There like 0 times zywoo choke , he the best player , unlike the "nA gOaT" stewie2k aka stupid4head aka stewie2-15 . IEM worst tournament ever
@@mariushager9983 yeah you right about flamez is the 2nd best player on vitality right now , maybe i should edited back to be 4 member of vitality cant keep up to zywoo . Although surely he the 2nd since he is consistent and have good rating , but you can see some similiar mistakes to wonderful like a tier 2 . Unlike spinx and apex are clearly tier 1 player and can be a dynamite , but their performance since magixx drop out is inconsistent and degrading overtime (espcially spinx , i do think that guy sold or throw every single game , cuz old spinx is a beast , current spinx can sometimes do the same thing and then just die stupid) . mezii is a bottom tier 1 , he is incosistent , play very bad , but do have some highlights . in the end i still think flamez have potential of a tier 1 but cant keep up and hold it long than the other 3 , he more like a wall too me
Hey voo, you cant trust live games chat, theyre all delusional and come to conclusions from 1 death, or 1 missed utility , my brain rots when i read it
this video veers wildly off topic for pretty much the entire thing
9.5/10
Have u made korean eggs in a while
@@J1M95 marinated eggs? nah im working on my galbi chicken
does it aim as low towards the topic as zont1x aims low towards his enemies
@@hhhhhh-vi6sq yes
Clicked off at 0:01, thanks for getting straight to the point. Not really sure what 0:01-46:41 is about, but 0:00-0:01 is pretty solid.
I couldn't handle the constant yapping from 0:00 to 0:01 it literally made me clicked off the video
Analysis starts at 46:42
not enough family guy clips for a 3 map match
Just finished watching this game. Not gonna lie watching apex lose is always funny
He's passionate man. I don't even like Vitality, but I respect his passion for the game
@@ELGUAPOIVwouldn't hurt to be a bit more humble time to time
@@rapidmark2700 humble ? he is mad at himself or the situation he was in all the time, not at his team mates. You guys see someone passionate about the game and make him look like he trashtalk everyone on his team.
Do you look at the interviews he does from time to time ? he does have a big ego but only for himself he respect his mates and the oponnent
He makes CS more exciting
@@rapidmark2700CS is fun to watch because of people like Apex.
If the win condition for Vitality is zywoo getting an 1.5+ rating, than the structure of the system is lacking.
Zywoo will have certain weaker/average performances (wich is normal and fine) than the rest of the team should in that case step up.
Vitality rn looks a bit (but not as extreme) like teams such as G2 and Spirit, where they will not perform whenever their starplayers won't pop-off.
Vitality needs a restructure to perform more predictable, new strats, different positions, maybe after the major swap out some players, etc.
I agree. The one caveat I would add is that Mouz is genuinely a good team, and right now, it seems like no team is going to be able to secure a stable #1 (aside from maybe Navi). Vitality didn't win today, but the difference was maybe 1-2 clutches against a very good team. That's not to say adjustments shouldn't be made, it is just saying that this isn't a terrible outcome when you consider this easily could have been a grand finals match up based on rosters.
FlameZ and Mezii both looked good today, it just so happened that they never looked good on the same map.
@@itszaque i feel line spinx is really not getting the shit he deserves sometimes. If zywoo plays bad the whole community comes after him. But spinx still hasnt found form imo. He should be right there behind zywoo on the scoreboard yet i feel like he is not even the 2nd best player on the team
@mariushager9983 I feel the same way. It reminds me of Ropz honestly, both players can have decent stat lines but with relatively low impact. If you're going to spend a majority of your time lurking then you better be finding the impact necessary to prevent clutches by the other team in the first place. Both of them simply haven't been able to do that as of late.
G2>vita>spirit if we talk about overall as a team firepower. However zywoo>m0nesy>donk in terms of individual skills.
12:19 all chat
spinx: ns
torzsi: ty
LOL
The funny thing is I saw people saying this loss is on mezzi where he literally carried two maps
ZYWOO 16-1 AT HALF AND STILL VITALITY LOSE
That was mirage bruh which they won
Bruh are you restarted
even if they did end up losing that match, kda isn't everythingy my guy. I can be 15 and 0 and it doesn't mean anything because they're all useless kills
To be fair on both nuke and inferno T side siuhy just called well to avoid zywoo
Where in the buy menu is the plot armour that xertioN is buying?
when i read the title i did not see the "h" was not ready for the intro LMAO
i like this stream of conciousness type of video, i watched the whole thing in a kind of meditative state
I love how you just answer the title of the video in the first sentence
I know K/D is not everything, but the guy went +40 vs Mongolz when NO ONE ELSE in the server was even positive. It's the rest of the team that need to step up.
10:12 is an interaction where the volumetric smoke is constantly blooming and puts out the molly. it also happens semi frequently at ancient mid. it really should not do that...
The end was wild, to a lifelong gold nova, I was saying, STOP PEEKING, to apex, et al after zywoo died. It just looked so bad to me. But when you explain it, it doesn’t sound crazy what they did. They got smoked though and hind sight is 20/20.
Ironic people were comparing Mezii vs Jimi when mezii out performed Jimi this series
thank god i was gonna just say No. but i see you actually saw the match. good 4 u.
JIMPPHAT > ZYWOO CONFIRMED 🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
it okay to be stupid , now take your meds and go to sleep
He annoyed me so much. Closing out two maps with lucky spam in smokes. He wasn’t even prefiring common spots.
you just mad cuz he better
Alkesib>jimpphat😂....
Watching this back, their b setup looks so bad. Look at how many rounds they leave one player at sandbags/banana while apex just stays on site and sometimes throws a flash and then goes to dark/fountain, I don't think they traded a single kill or had any crossfire setups on site, so messy
In fairness FlameZ dies at sandbags about 3x as frequently as he's supposed to there. He seems allergic to actually leaving the position in this game, so we don't see any crossfires on site because he dies prematurely.
With XTQZZZ and apEX being untouchable due to their nationalities, this team will always look for scapegoats elsewhere.
It's amazing to think about how many trophies Zywoo has lost to this while still being completely oblivious about it seemingly. Even in the Zonic/Magisk era one can wonder if with Vitality had just acquired whoever was the best international IGL after karrigan in late 2021, how much more could they have won?
But this does give a chance for masterminds like karrigan, aleksib and siuhy to win more with lesser awpers so I don't necessarily mind.
Honestly, feels like they are wasting Zywoo's talent
Mezii gon be the scapegoat
>zywoo has typically bad game in playoffs
>zywoo fans make a 46 min video highlighting how every death wasn't his fault
pls explain 😭
(not a fan)
@@itsvoo I wouldn’t doubt real zywoo fans actually thinking that… lol
Why don't TOs use sound proof platforms for live tourneys ?
the problem is that no matter how good they are, you can still feel the vibrations -- which is what i think they feel with sound cancelling headphones. I don't think they can hear individuals just the rumbling. Also they're insanely expensive and a lot of places don't allow them due to fire regulations
i was rooting for Mouz the whole way through this series. hope their game against Furia is incredible tomorrow
There is no I in Team Synergy
13:54 do they text a lot during games? like this:D I didn't even know that this is possible in pro scene:D
They don't really text a lot but it's possible it's funny cause in most pro scene clutches everyone would spam the chat like "OMG" or 'ROFL" etc
15:50 when exactly do you buy new armor i heard you should buy after 60 but idk
i haven't really decided on a true number but i think most people will rebuy if it's under 40, maybe 35. i think technically you can lose slightly more but realistically you don't lose more than 35 i think
Anyone still annoyed that the kill feed is still inaccurate?
Voo video idea
Navi crazy comeback against heroic?
can you please do the same format on navi when they lose todays match against heroic?
how often do you watch the matches before makeing a live reactions
i'd say 30% of the time i watch them on the 2nd monitor while doing other stuff, 20% of the time I watch them actively, and 50% of the time I don't watch but I go over the reddit thread and look at twitter afterwards to see if there's anything interesting that happened I should notice
good intro lol
U DIDN’T watch map III your bias if you don’t think Zywoo disappeared in map III INFERNO ‼️Zywoo wasn’t himself.. The shots he normally hits on a high percentage he missed… & the way he typically leads this team by dominating the servers I didn’t see it , especially in map INFERNO.. His awp usually dominates the entire map & opponents are nervous to run into Zywoos awp cause he rarely misses
it's hard to say if it's apex or zywoo. why didn't zywoo go B, ever? why didn't he do certain aggro plays? maybe he's being a bit more passive, but maybe it's that apex isn't calling him over to support or something. I agree one of the biggest things from players like s1mple/zywoo has always been that they're always in the right place at the right time, but I'm not sure inferno CT side is a spot where he can actually do that alone, especially when his team on B is dying super early.
he did miss a few shots he normally hits but idk if that counts as choking. he might usually miss a few easy shorts per game and we just don't think about it because he ends with a great scoreline anyways
Flamz choked
avg watchtime: 0.01
Not only was the crowd going ohhhhhh, but their host with a microphone was also doing it. Its extremely rtrded
no zont1x scizo posting 0/10 would aim lower.
😂😂
ALL TOP TIER DONT LIKE IEM RIO TROPHY, and its just 250k prize pool
Zywoo will always go down as the most over hyped, over rated player in my book. Apex raging at his team makes him look so unlikeable.
I was trying to figure out why apex was raging at spinx. He legit looked over at him with a death stare twice and angry typed in team chat. F apex. I hate him man
Flamez T-Side was not good stats wise the whole series
W intro
So happy apex lost lol, always funny watching his reactions
nO
yes
ZywOo is one of the best players to have ever played any version of CS, that much is undeniable.
He is just nowhere near THE best , and that is perfectly fine as well.
Hes better than s1mple
From the get go s1mple took years to become consistent. You need to stfu zywhoo became one n competed with him since a rookie n dawg him
Hes better than s1mple
From the get go s1mple took years to become consistent. You need to stfu zywhoo became one n competed with him since a rookie n dawg him
Zywhoo is the best ever n the best to do it stats don’t like brodie
I am just a silver player and even my eyes can catch some sus play from other teams in this tournament. Idk high level plays like you guys do but I know one thing, if there is a match fixing going on it will come out evantually because of ONE greedy guy who is not payed enough. Let's hope nothing like this happened in this tournament and this comment stays as silver guy talking.
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why not just use sound proof booths, just like in Dota, so lame.
Too expensive and last time they did it didn’t worked so well
zywoo choke is because he always falls off in map 3, he whiffs more by the eyetest like that 2-6 round was the perfect example of in groupstages and non map 3 playoffs, zywoo hits that shot and then all of a sudden vitality is favoured to win that round and the outcome of the game can be changed based of that roudn stopping mouz's momentum
thats why people say zywoo choke, he just isnt game changing as in groupstages and like ik by the stats he played well in that map 3 vs g2 at fall finals but he got 1 kill since 12-10 or something and in ot he was in ct ticket with an awp atleaast 2-3 times in OT and whiffed every shot, like the eyetest isnt there in the most pressure moment
Are you sure? Always? That’s just tiny moments and he missed one shot, that’s hard to hit. And why do say that Zywoo choked instead of MOUZ played good. They had been avoiding him all half like other teams in a pressure moments. It’s not his fault that apex and flamez can’t hold the B side for year
You can’t get 3x time top 1 with choke all the time. You can’t get Cologne MVP 2 times with choke
And other great players chokes all the time like s1mple in 3/4 major finals he played or that Monesy after 3 years in tier 1 scene doesn’t have prestige MVP
Zywoo got the top 1 with players below 1.0 rating 2 times
I love all the great players, but the amount of hate towards Zywoo is just unnecessary
@@chandlerbing2636 because zywoo doesnt miss these shots in groupstages, thats why im saying he chokes, thats the definition of choking, whne u dont hit the shots u hit in non pressure environment
also the hate towards zywoo is beacuse zywoo stans wont shut the fuck up about how he is the goat and shit and how his teamates are dogshit and zywoo is 1v9 every game and they literally think spinx and flamez are dogshit and apex cant call shit, but somehow vitality's strengths are their t sides so that doesnt add up, how can ur lurker and entry and igl be shit but ur t side is the better side
and they werent avoiding him, taking banana control doesnt mean they are avoiding zywoo, and if zywoo was really that good he'd go banana and fight, thats what s1mple did and waht m0nesy does now, they are mobile with the awp
and because mouz got entries on banana it made it alot easier to call, also dont act like zywoo didnt whjiff shots and allowed mouz to take arch control, in that one round zywoo whiffed and then mezii had to leave his anchor spot to get on site and help zywoo fall back, and then that allowed an A split casue no one pit to hold short, this doesnt happen in groupstages because zywoo hits the shot
He was 22-10 at the start of the round 15 against G2. He finished with 27-22. Only 5 kills in the next 15 rounds. I am not blaming zywoo and it would be a stupid thing to do, but for a guy that people claim to be the GOAT, he kind of frequently goes missing in the map 3/crucial moments.
@@sh1nenkai258 I’m saying that you said He always chokes and that isn’t true. Have you seen the CIS telegram. Till these days they call donk the GOAT for one tournament. Monesy also
S1mple 3/4 he choked, Monesy after 3 years of tier 1 scene doesn’t have a prestige MVP
Zywoo beat prime Faze in cs2 twice in a row. He beat prime Astralis on Cologne semi final. He stopped prime NaVi’s win streak with a clutch 1v4. I love watching all the great players and hating them is just absurd
Why not just enjoy the players and not hating on them because of the stupid fans
@@chandlerbing2636the thing with monesy is that he is on this level just this year. And he barely played in grand finals. Most exits were quarters for them. Its not like monesy is the monster grand final player outside of some instances.
Man, I like this kind of video, but you sometimes need to make your point quicker. You just begin a point, then go on two tangents and then come back. Like the thing with Apex k/d or the observer and the nade sound. It's interesting, but you don't need to talk over an entire round about it.
you have adhd
gladly you say NO in the begining the video , and point out flamez actually cant keep up . i almost turn into werewolf mode when you made your video title " did zywoo choke" . Glad no one got devour and skin alive . There like 0 times zywoo choke , he the best player , unlike the "nA gOaT" stewie2k aka stupid4head aka stewie2-15 . IEM worst tournament ever
Scathing
@@nuuskapeke2104 i will scathing him if he say zywoo choke . But voo is a smart guy / good analyst so im still a viewer of his channel.
9.5/10
What
Flamez cant keep up??? That b setup is just shit. Flamez is the 2nd best player on vitality. He has been amazing the whole year
@@mariushager9983 yeah you right about flamez is the 2nd best player on vitality right now , maybe i should edited back to be 4 member of vitality cant keep up to zywoo . Although surely he the 2nd since he is consistent and have good rating , but you can see some similiar mistakes to wonderful like a tier 2 . Unlike spinx and apex are clearly tier 1 player and can be a dynamite , but their performance since magixx drop out is inconsistent and degrading overtime (espcially spinx , i do think that guy sold or throw every single game , cuz old spinx is a beast , current spinx can sometimes do the same thing and then just die stupid) . mezii is a bottom tier 1 , he is incosistent , play very bad , but do have some highlights . in the end i still think flamez have potential of a tier 1 but cant keep up and hold it long than the other 3 , he more like a wall too me
always happy when vitality lose, most overrated team in years!
ofc matchfixing like top soccer teams NEVER lose against underdogs... pls dude use ur brain xD
Torzsi>Zywoo 🤙
it okay to be retA.rded , take your meds and go to sleep
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Even torszi won't say such nonsense 😂.
Hey voo, you cant trust live games chat, theyre all delusional and come to conclusions from 1 death, or 1 missed utility , my brain rots when i read it