The really need to do something about echo farming ep material, the tact fields are to expensive for what they offer. It kills the drive to farm new sets.
He's better on Rejuvenating Glow with the originite(?) gaulents cuz his coordinated attack damage basically doesn't exist, it's just that he's quite fast and consitent with em
Yuanwu isnt weak. Its just currently all the def scaler are gimped in their number. They have half scaling on their kits and half stat weight on echoes compared to the atk scaler. Honestly until we get a 5* def scaling character i doubt their impact is gonna change much.
THANK YOU!!! I was trying to figure this out yesterday....most of my echoes ended up with terrible stats so far lol but at least all your hard work helps me narrow where to focus rebuilding!
I'm currently using Yinlin with Empyeran set alongside Nightmare Mephis and, for what I can see on the video, it's better. Hecate only buffs her coords., while Mephis buffs all of her electro damage by 12% and her reso skill damage by 12%. The attacks that benefit from the reso skill dmg buff are E1, E2, E. Blast and, yes, coords. I'm still gonna have a Hecate just because is such a versatile Echo once more coordinated attack characters come out. Of course is the best Echo for Zhezhi atm. I'll be reporting any findings regarding yinlin Hecate vs N. Mephis since I love the new Empyrean set and this comment section always has a neat debate about builds and echoes.
Out of all coordinate Atk chars, Mortefi has the highest hit rate of 2hits every 0.35secs. We have total 120% coordinate dmg from anthem set with Hecate, 100% from youhu which doesn’t end even when switching chars. Mortefi’s source of coordinate is his liberation, Changli buff fusion+liberation. All the old pistol users can abuse the basic hold spam to rapid fire which is also count as heavy atk to trigger 2 marcato.
I thought I would see Tidebreaker Courage in the showcase, but alas, looks like we will have to wait for Brant. I'm theory-crafting the use of Tidebreaker, thinking it will be a use for Taoqi and Jianxin (ignoring Fusion dmg bonus from Dragon) as they have low energy regen. I even want to try Tidebreaker on Encore, but reaching 250% energy regen for main DPS is a waste. I changed my Yinlin build from Moonlit to Void Thunder, using Hecate VT echo. It helps Yinlin personal damage much better than Empyrean sets. My Yinlin is in quick swap team with Chang Li and energy regen is not a problem for her. I also want to see the new sets on 4* Resonators. For now, I'm building Frosty Resolve for main DPS Sanhua, as I don't have Carlotta (struggling cuz my echo tubes gone so low after building VT Hecate). Do you think Yuanwu's coordinated attack could benefit from Empryan sets? He's cheap supp for Jinhsi for anyone who doesn't have Zhezhi. Also, how about Tidebreaker for Youhu supp?
Keep in mind that the more you stack up investment on the coordinated attackers, the higher you get the numbers from Empyrean set giving that it currently is on par, if not more, than moonlit with S0R1 Yinlin currently. For lucky or whale individual with high sequence Yinlin, Zhezhi, and from the brief look at it, S6 Mortefi, could see a net increase in team damage with Empyrean. Well, since I have S6 Zhezhi, might as well do some proper test myself.
In addition for Youhu. After using her a lot more with Carlotta + Zhezhi, i now find that 1. Most of her artifact attack for symbols can be dodge cancel or swap cancel. Especially so that bell and staff that is very very slow. This speeds up her concerto a lot. 2. Since her outro does not disappear if you swap from the coordinated attacker, you can swap back to Youhu to skill and artifact for heals and artifact stores and concerto. 3. Since she gain artifact attack every dodge counter, during boss's combo attack, you can swap to her to store some artifact that way. 4. Poetic essence is also a huge concerto boost along with lib. It is the thing that enables quick outro to Yinlin/Zhezhi. She isn't too clunky to my taste. Also a main stay to my Zhezhi now since it is now like I have two main DPS without having to Quickswap (and I can still quickswap this hypercarry team fot more damage, too)
Last night I pulled DauntlessEvernight and decided to update Taoqi with that as well as a set of Def Midnight Veil. Playing her with SK and Danjin atm just to mess around.
As a general rule of thumb, unless your Sub-DPS character already does like over 25% of the overall team DPS (with something like moonlit), it is not worth it to go on Empyrean, as there won't be any damage increase already anyway. But even moreso, a ratio of 25% is only ever really possible when you already invest a lot of resources into your sub-dps, which is rather unoptimal over investing a bigger portion to your main dps. A simple extra median crit substat on your main DPS can easily increase your overall team DPS by almost 5%, making the Empyrean set not really worth it, if it means needing almost similar investment as your main dps, which could have instead been used on, well, your main dps... TL;DR, Empyrean is not worth it, unless you are already way too deep into vertical investment for a team, or a future character does a load of damage using coordinated attacks (which I honestly don't see happening, due to Youhu having a 100% amplification on it, which would just break the balancing due to being too major of a difference) 120% sounds like a lot at first, until you realize the Sub-DPS only does 20% of the team damage, and less than 50% of that damage is even coordinated attacks...
Do you think that the Empyrean set would be better in a Mortefi / Jiyan team than Moonlit or do you think you'd come up with similar results as the Yinlin / XY team? I'm not sure what the team damage distribution looks like, but it feels like an S4 Mortefi just pumps out a good amount of coordinated attacks.
I still don’t recommend it. Mortefi’s S5 pumps out more marcato hits but the damage is reduced by 50%. To make empyrean anthem stand out more, you need a character that cannot only trigger more coordinated attacks but have a much better coordinated attack scaling. I suggest you stick with moonlit to buff Jiyan’s personal damage if you already have a cracked set. You can still farm empyrean anthem though and let me know it’s performance vs moonlit on Mortefi
Ah bummer. Okay. I guess none of the teams in the game so far that rely on coordinated attacks really have Empyrean as a very clear, significant upgrade over Moonlit. It feels like we're kind of waiting for two units then to make up a team where coordinated attacks make up a more significant portion of the overall team's DPS which is kind of an interesting thought because your on fielder in that case is more like an activator rather than doing great damage themselves. Empyrean seems like it might be really fun in Illusive Realm though lol.
11:52 Sanhua works good for me, because I don't like the playstyle of danjin and besides i can deal 240,000 Damage with Camelia Nuke.(She's S0 without Signature)
Empyrean Anthem also fits perfectly Mortefi and Baizhi ( if one is inclined to giver her damage too), but they' 4* and Mortefi has no t*ts, so he's rarely mentioned.
I'm expecting them adding more Nightmare version of the existing bosses, just to widen the rosters: Nightmare Lampylumen - preferably turn into a summon type Echo, since in the boss movesets, Lampylumen has a stage where it summon "Ice Core" on the ground, dealing AoE Glacio DMG, while it hover above the ground to launch continuous Glacio DMG projectiles. Making this version of Lampylumen buff Glacio DMG and Basic ATK DMG will be a dream come true for both Zhezhi and Lingyang, as they are focusing on Basic ATK more in their kits. Also make this Nightmare version able to obtain in both Freezing Frost and Empyreal Anthem set. Nightmare Jué - Kinda a big stretch cuz we be touching Weeklies/Calamity tier boss, but seeing how strong the Eternal Radiance set was, it does feel like a strict upgrade for all future Spectro DPS - except Jinhsi. Making Nightmare Jué unconditionally buff Spectro DMG and Resonance Skill DMG, while dealing Spectro / Electro Coordinate ATK after summon (yes, Jué does deal Electro DMG in it boss form), OR make it like the buffed version and allow it to stagnate time when summoned. This is a huge upgrade for Jinhsi, but in my defense, she ain't going to get this. Nightmare Dreamless - Same as above, it is a huge stretch when touching Calamity bosses, but if this version of Dreamless have an unconditional Havoc DMG bonus, while continuously applying Havoc Bane - a negative status of Havoc element - when casting the Echo skill and infuse the equiped resonator attacks with the ability to also inflict Havoc Bane, then Havoc Rover will return to the table after being taken by Spectro version of them (LET ALL ROVER FORM BE COOKING AND STRONG KURO)
Also Senpai, if you reading this, who would you want Kuro to make more Echo tailor-made for them? Ofc making a better tailor-made version would be suffice too, like how Jiyan having 2 tailor-made Monkie while Aalto having none 😂
I strongly believe all 4 cost echos will have nightmare versions. It’s kuro’s way of making old characters a bit more relevant as they did with the new nightmare echos we have so i’m sure they will continue the trend
Nightmare version also open up 44111 configuration for sonata set that only have one Cost 4 Echo. This is good since Empyrean requires a CRIT coordinated hit to trigger continuously.
I haven’t test this yet. Is the buff of empyrian work just if equiped character off field? Or just if the atk is coordinated atk type even if the character using it currently on field?
Nice video it removes most of my doubts. I have lvl80 Yinlin with Cosmic Ripples & she is running a Moonlight Cloud set with 68% Crt Rate , 229% Crt dmg, around 2200 atk & 152% Er. She deals decent dmg but not that much. So i will build Emyrean set for her in the meantime coz of modes like pincer maneuver requiring 2 complete set builds. What should i go for 43311 or 44111 ? One more thing, the devs did some adjustments with the Lorelei echo where previously equipping Lorelei would give u 12% Havoc bonus + 12% Liberation bonus now its showing the havoc buff + 12% Basic atk buff.
Go with 43311 set but if your stats are nit decent, you can start with 44111. The lorelei echo is a weird place right now because Roccia is the dedicated user for midnight veil but her damage scales of heavy attack damage so nightmare impermanence heron is the best option
I’m sure you clicked because of his s5😄. I don’t recommend empyrean anthem for him because even though his s5 summons more marcato, the damage is reduced by 50% of the actual marcato damage from liberation. You’re better off using moonlit if you have a well invested Jiyan build
will i be visually able to see the crit rate increase in S.Roveer from S1 and from 5/5 new spectro set in combat ? @9:00 cuz i have low c.rate now but a good 4 cost C.dmg echo and a crit rate standard sword
As a shorekeeper simp, would you say is better tidebreaking set or spectro set for her? (I mean with shore c6 r5 which i m going to have this rerun or next one)
my Yinlin is currently perfect with moonlit (I spent alot to farm her and it was not the best). But I will farm Empyrean for Zhezhi. I'm currently on tune material crisis so...i'm fine
For danjin, mid night veil is still her best in slot as a sub dps to improve her personal damage and grant havoc damage buff but for camellya, sanhua still does better in terms of buffing capabilities. She’s best paired with havoc rover while using midnight veil
Im not sure if you know this Senpai , after defeating weekly Hecate boss, it gives you 2 boxes of echo : hecate crit rate + hecate crit dmg for the OLD SETS
All these new sets are cool, but I would’ve liked to see Kuro get real creative with effects like maybe 20% attack speed/movement speed buff or 35% skill and liberation cooldown buff or maybe 25% heavy attack buff or 25% plunging attack buff. Just something a little bit more different and unique that encouraged some really fun play styles. Hopefully in the future.
The energy regen stats and the 12% damage boost from moonlit will be pretty much wasted since the only benefit you’ll get is the 15% havoc bonus. But try it out and let me know how it goes. Compare it with moonlit if possible
he is off because he doing test with 2 diferent values of crit rate, 75,5% crit rate for Empyrian 88% crit rate for Moonlit counting Shorekeeper 12,5 crit rate buff, a 13% difference.
I don’t think critical rate is the problem here. Getting at least 75% and above should suffice for a damage comparison between the two sets. If one turns out to be better, it will stand out more by giving you more damage per rotation and faster clear time overall. Keep in mind that the empyrean anthem set had even more crit damage than moonlit
@@itssenpai626 and that what happened mate, empiriam is better by your own metric, even through it had 12% less crit rate still cleared close to it, even on the 4:39 comparation on Damage per rotation. 75% is low with shorekeeper buff, at the end is RNG, i am not going to see slow motion to check every single damage, but we can sure assume you did a lot less crit hits with empyrian, i have to restart a lot with jinhsi because she missed crits/crit fishing and she has around 77%, for yinlin is even worse because multiple hit multiple chances of not critin. Its okay if you think 75% with her buffs are fine, i dont but that fine too, but say it 'does not matter when testing event through there a 12% gap between then' is not fine, its bad faith. You could just removed 2 parts of moonlit and roled 2 other just for testin through.
IMA SAY THIS! They need to allow you to use non leveled up echoes as level up materials just like honkai and genshin I have tooooo many echoes. So much that I have to batch data merge just to make room in my backpack smh
Heh, I'm sitting with 17+ not attack/glacio questless knight, 25+ not attack/glacio abyssal patricius, and 20+ not attack/glacio abyssal mercator. And yet still no double crit 3 cost echoes for Carlotta😂😂😂 😢
Empyrian win clearly, 75,5% crit rate is not the same as 88% crit rate, counting Shorekeeper 12,5 crit rate buff if you have even have it fully, you simply criting more and that why you think old set is better, it's not. Not just to activate New set, but for her coordenate attack, Resonance, resonace liberetatiom, basic attack, heavy attack, intro and outro, soo~everything. the longer the fight the more it matters.
so basically the "kuro buffed everyone" from the video title has nothing to do with the content of the video, since these new sets basically buffed no one and every single char does just fine with the sets they had before.. so only thing worth re-farming is the nightmare crownless for camellya if you have her...
@@itssenpai626 so it is maybe 1 unit, even tho we did not get any actual numbers. so how much is the dmg increase in %? the question still remains is the dmg increase worth the amount of time and materials you spend on re-farming and rolling if you already have a well build spectro rover? like in HSR or ZZZ i would never waste my time on re-farming sets because a new set will end up doing 3-5% more dmg on units which are already well build and clear everything anyway.. so yeah, without a word about the actual dmg increase it is not really conclusive if re-farming is worth it at all.. i wont waste my time on anything below 10% and even than the question would remain: do you need this 10% or can your spectro rover already clear whatever you want him to clear anyway? if you tell me on the other hand dmg increase is 20% or more we might have a reason to think about spending time and resources on re-farming
Kuro did in fact NOT buff EVERYONE, why bother with such a misleading clickbait title, unless we are going to pretend yuan wu, taoqi, calcharo, and jianxin dont exist, and like you said in the video lingyang cannot maintain the full buff of carlotta set so you wouldnt use it on him in the first place.
@@itssenpai626 it's almost my second nature to dodge now! hehe. i'll come back to this video once i've finished the main story and unlock all the areas, since i've yet to even do that, haha. xo
I highly recommend that you guys start farming for the eternal radiance set even if you don’t play spectro Rover but you want to pull for Phoebe
Don’t know if you saw on twitter, but they shows she’s Spectro
but will you do a Update/Guide for Spectro Rover with the Set? 🤩 but i guess you arleady talked alot about it in her part so far :)
they already announced that she's spectro
@@derColti will😄
@@glo1589just saw it. Thanks for pointing it out
The really need to do something about echo farming ep material, the tact fields are to expensive for what they offer. It kills the drive to farm new sets.
I know the feeling
For real. I've spent my wavestones everyday on tacet field and I'm still tubes-poor here.
This echo powercreep doesnt help , we 6 months into the game and alreayd replacing our echoes
@@chelo136 I ain't replacing my echoes, still don't have a set on Lumi and I've been grinding since her release
agreed, I think dropping to 40 stam instead of 60 would do a lot of good. At least a step in the right direction
the entire empyrean section did not mention yuanwu even once, while he got the biggest buff from this set. well, what did I even expect.
Who's Yuanwu??😂
@@rayzen119Yuan- Who?🤨
He's better on Rejuvenating Glow with the originite(?) gaulents cuz his coordinated attack damage basically doesn't exist, it's just that he's quite fast and consitent with em
no, MORTEFI is.
Yuanwu isnt weak. Its just currently all the def scaler are gimped in their number.
They have half scaling on their kits and half stat weight on echoes compared to the atk scaler.
Honestly until we get a 5* def scaling character i doubt their impact is gonna change much.
THANK YOU!!! I was trying to figure this out yesterday....most of my echoes ended up with terrible stats so far lol but at least all your hard work helps me narrow where to focus rebuilding!
Glad I could help👍🏽
But when you finally hit the absolute perfect sub stat it feels better than getting a new resonator imho.
I'm currently using Yinlin with Empyeran set alongside Nightmare Mephis and, for what I can see on the video, it's better. Hecate only buffs her coords., while Mephis buffs all of her electro damage by 12% and her reso skill damage by 12%. The attacks that benefit from the reso skill dmg buff are E1, E2, E. Blast and, yes, coords.
I'm still gonna have a Hecate just because is such a versatile Echo once more coordinated attack characters come out. Of course is the best Echo for Zhezhi atm.
I'll be reporting any findings regarding yinlin Hecate vs N. Mephis since I love the new Empyrean set and this comment section always has a neat debate about builds and echoes.
I’ll look forward to it. In case I don’t reply much quicker, be sure to reach out to me on my discord😅. Link in the channel description
@@itssenpai626Would love to know the answer, since I plan on rebuilding my Yin Lin
Alright, Yinlin! we're getting a new set for you! thanks for the guide.
Out of all coordinate Atk chars, Mortefi has the highest hit rate of 2hits every 0.35secs. We have total 120% coordinate dmg from anthem set with Hecate, 100% from youhu which doesn’t end even when switching chars. Mortefi’s source of coordinate is his liberation, Changli buff fusion+liberation. All the old pistol users can abuse the basic hold spam to rapid fire which is also count as heavy atk to trigger 2 marcato.
damn thats crazyyyyy
I thought I would see Tidebreaker Courage in the showcase, but alas, looks like we will have to wait for Brant. I'm theory-crafting the use of Tidebreaker, thinking it will be a use for Taoqi and Jianxin (ignoring Fusion dmg bonus from Dragon) as they have low energy regen. I even want to try Tidebreaker on Encore, but reaching 250% energy regen for main DPS is a waste.
I changed my Yinlin build from Moonlit to Void Thunder, using Hecate VT echo. It helps Yinlin personal damage much better than Empyrean sets. My Yinlin is in quick swap team with Chang Li and energy regen is not a problem for her.
I also want to see the new sets on 4* Resonators. For now, I'm building Frosty Resolve for main DPS Sanhua, as I don't have Carlotta (struggling cuz my echo tubes gone so low after building VT Hecate).
Do you think Yuanwu's coordinated attack could benefit from Empryan sets? He's cheap supp for Jinhsi for anyone who doesn't have Zhezhi.
Also, how about Tidebreaker for Youhu supp?
12:16 Still haven't found a single double crit glacio 3cost, nor a single double crit atk % 1cost :'c
This is video I've been looking for yesterday!!
Keep in mind that the more you stack up investment on the coordinated attackers, the higher you get the numbers from Empyrean set giving that it currently is on par, if not more, than moonlit with S0R1 Yinlin currently.
For lucky or whale individual with high sequence Yinlin, Zhezhi, and from the brief look at it, S6 Mortefi, could see a net increase in team damage with Empyrean.
Well, since I have S6 Zhezhi, might as well do some proper test myself.
In addition for Youhu. After using her a lot more with Carlotta + Zhezhi, i now find that
1. Most of her artifact attack for symbols can be dodge cancel or swap cancel. Especially so that bell and staff that is very very slow. This speeds up her concerto a lot.
2. Since her outro does not disappear if you swap from the coordinated attacker, you can swap back to Youhu to skill and artifact for heals and artifact stores and concerto.
3. Since she gain artifact attack every dodge counter, during boss's combo attack, you can swap to her to store some artifact that way.
4. Poetic essence is also a huge concerto boost along with lib. It is the thing that enables quick outro to Yinlin/Zhezhi.
She isn't too clunky to my taste. Also a main stay to my Zhezhi now since it is now like I have two main DPS without having to Quickswap (and I can still quickswap this hypercarry team fot more damage, too)
Surprised you didn't do a Danjin with midnight veil vs havoc set with Havoc Rover comparison.
Last night I pulled DauntlessEvernight and decided to update Taoqi with that as well as a set of Def Midnight Veil. Playing her with SK and Danjin atm just to mess around.
wow actual useful information, rather than a certain dramafarming, loud and obnoxious wuwa cc. Thanks for helping me save resources.
Glad it was helpful!
Really appreciate the mini spectro rover guide in the middle 🙏
As a general rule of thumb, unless your Sub-DPS character already does like over 25% of the overall team DPS (with something like moonlit), it is not worth it to go on Empyrean, as there won't be any damage increase already anyway.
But even moreso, a ratio of 25% is only ever really possible when you already invest a lot of resources into your sub-dps, which is rather unoptimal over investing a bigger portion to your main dps. A simple extra median crit substat on your main DPS can easily increase your overall team DPS by almost 5%, making the Empyrean set not really worth it, if it means needing almost similar investment as your main dps, which could have instead been used on, well, your main dps...
TL;DR, Empyrean is not worth it, unless you are already way too deep into vertical investment for a team, or a future character does a load of damage using coordinated attacks (which I honestly don't see happening, due to Youhu having a 100% amplification on it, which would just break the balancing due to being too major of a difference)
120% sounds like a lot at first, until you realize the Sub-DPS only does 20% of the team damage, and less than 50% of that damage is even coordinated attacks...
Do you think that the Empyrean set would be better in a Mortefi / Jiyan team than Moonlit or do you think you'd come up with similar results as the Yinlin / XY team? I'm not sure what the team damage distribution looks like, but it feels like an S4 Mortefi just pumps out a good amount of coordinated attacks.
I still don’t recommend it. Mortefi’s S5 pumps out more marcato hits but the damage is reduced by 50%. To make empyrean anthem stand out more, you need a character that cannot only trigger more coordinated attacks but have a much better coordinated attack scaling. I suggest you stick with moonlit to buff Jiyan’s personal damage if you already have a cracked set. You can still farm empyrean anthem though and let me know it’s performance vs moonlit on Mortefi
Mortefi does even less damage percentage wise in a team, so it's way less recommended
Ah bummer. Okay. I guess none of the teams in the game so far that rely on coordinated attacks really have Empyrean as a very clear, significant upgrade over Moonlit. It feels like we're kind of waiting for two units then to make up a team where coordinated attacks make up a more significant portion of the overall team's DPS which is kind of an interesting thought because your on fielder in that case is more like an activator rather than doing great damage themselves. Empyrean seems like it might be really fun in Illusive Realm though lol.
I hear the Tidebreaking Courage set is basically tailor-made for Brant :)
The name of the set fits his sailor vibe so i think it will be his signature set
They buffed everyone except LingYang and JianXin..
11:52 Sanhua works good for me, because I don't like the playstyle of danjin and besides i can deal 240,000 Damage with Camelia Nuke.(She's S0 without Signature)
Hey! Do you mind sharing your camellya's stats? Also is that with shorekeeper?
Empyrean Anthem also fits perfectly Mortefi and Baizhi ( if one is inclined to giver her damage too), but they' 4* and Mortefi has no t*ts, so he's rarely mentioned.
I'm expecting them adding more Nightmare version of the existing bosses, just to widen the rosters:
Nightmare Lampylumen - preferably turn into a summon type Echo, since in the boss movesets, Lampylumen has a stage where it summon "Ice Core" on the ground, dealing AoE Glacio DMG, while it hover above the ground to launch continuous Glacio DMG projectiles. Making this version of Lampylumen buff Glacio DMG and Basic ATK DMG will be a dream come true for both Zhezhi and Lingyang, as they are focusing on Basic ATK more in their kits. Also make this Nightmare version able to obtain in both Freezing Frost and Empyreal Anthem set.
Nightmare Jué - Kinda a big stretch cuz we be touching Weeklies/Calamity tier boss, but seeing how strong the Eternal Radiance set was, it does feel like a strict upgrade for all future Spectro DPS - except Jinhsi. Making Nightmare Jué unconditionally buff Spectro DMG and Resonance Skill DMG, while dealing Spectro / Electro Coordinate ATK after summon (yes, Jué does deal Electro DMG in it boss form), OR make it like the buffed version and allow it to stagnate time when summoned. This is a huge upgrade for Jinhsi, but in my defense, she ain't going to get this.
Nightmare Dreamless - Same as above, it is a huge stretch when touching Calamity bosses, but if this version of Dreamless have an unconditional Havoc DMG bonus, while continuously applying Havoc Bane - a negative status of Havoc element - when casting the Echo skill and infuse the equiped resonator attacks with the ability to also inflict Havoc Bane, then Havoc Rover will return to the table after being taken by Spectro version of them (LET ALL ROVER FORM BE COOKING AND STRONG KURO)
Also Senpai, if you reading this, who would you want Kuro to make more Echo tailor-made for them? Ofc making a better tailor-made version would be suffice too, like how Jiyan having 2 tailor-made Monkie while Aalto having none 😂
I strongly believe all 4 cost echos will have nightmare versions. It’s kuro’s way of making old characters a bit more relevant as they did with the new nightmare echos we have so i’m sure they will continue the trend
Nightmare version also open up 44111 configuration for sonata set that only have one Cost 4 Echo. This is good since Empyrean requires a CRIT coordinated hit to trigger continuously.
I haven’t test this yet.
Is the buff of empyrian work just if equiped character off field?
Or just if the atk is coordinated atk type even if the character using it currently on field?
Nice video it removes most of my doubts. I have lvl80 Yinlin with Cosmic Ripples & she is running a Moonlight Cloud set with 68% Crt Rate , 229% Crt dmg, around 2200 atk & 152% Er. She deals decent dmg but not that much. So i will build Emyrean set for her in the meantime coz of modes like pincer maneuver requiring 2 complete set builds.
What should i go for 43311 or 44111 ?
One more thing, the devs did some adjustments with the Lorelei echo where previously equipping Lorelei would give u 12% Havoc bonus + 12% Liberation bonus now its showing the havoc buff + 12% Basic atk buff.
Go with 43311 set but if your stats are nit decent, you can start with 44111. The lorelei echo is a weird place right now because Roccia is the dedicated user for midnight veil but her damage scales of heavy attack damage so nightmare impermanence heron is the best option
@@itssenpai626 good advice i will keep that in mind. Good video btw 👍
2:51
In other words, Kuro is cooking a Havoc character specialized in coordinated attacks to be releasing soon.
I think it's gonna be Phrolova since Hacate gives coordinated atk dmg bonus.
Precisely. My guess is Phrolova
Really wish Mortefi was covered in the coord attack section. That was the whole reason I clicked lol.
I’m sure you clicked because of his s5😄. I don’t recommend empyrean anthem for him because even though his s5 summons more marcato, the damage is reduced by 50% of the actual marcato damage from liberation. You’re better off using moonlit if you have a well invested Jiyan build
will i be visually able to see the crit rate increase in S.Roveer from S1 and from 5/5 new spectro set in combat ? @9:00
cuz i have low c.rate now but a good 4 cost C.dmg echo and a crit rate standard sword
nightmare thundering set is great for yinlin for me
Yeah it really helps with Yinlin’s personal damage.
yeah mine is cracked, not going to bother with another set
As a shorekeeper simp, would you say is better tidebreaking set or spectro set for her? (I mean with shore c6 r5 which i m going to have this rerun or next one)
Damn, I now understand that video I watched where they emphasized if building your sub-dps is even a requirement and now I understand why...
my Yinlin is currently perfect with moonlit (I spent alot to farm her and it was not the best). But I will farm Empyrean for Zhezhi. I'm currently on tune material crisis so...i'm fine
HOLD THE PHONE, the Hecate echo auto-parries?? I gotta try that. haha
I hate that the buff is only 4 seconds.
But if your characters hit critical, the buff applies again, and the process goes on
It happens every time you crit
Bro, coordinated attacks happen like 1x/2s that's basically 100% uptime as long as you're attacking
@brambl3014 yes I know and it's why I hate it. It would've been better if starting any coordinate attack buffs whole team attack for 15/20secs.
@yaemiko9969 that's too broken, invalidate many supports that lean on moonlit
So whats the best sub dps echo set for danjin? Moonlit set or midnight veil sonata set?
For danjin, mid night veil is still her best in slot as a sub dps to improve her personal damage and grant havoc damage buff but for camellya, sanhua still does better in terms of buffing capabilities. She’s best paired with havoc rover while using midnight veil
Im not sure if you know this Senpai , after defeating weekly Hecate boss, it gives you 2 boxes of echo : hecate crit rate + hecate crit dmg for the OLD SETS
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This is a dham good video 😂
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All these new sets are cool, but I would’ve liked to see Kuro get real creative with effects like maybe 20% attack speed/movement speed buff or 35% skill and liberation cooldown buff or maybe 25% heavy attack buff or 25% plunging attack buff. Just something a little bit more different and unique that encouraged some really fun play styles. Hopefully in the future.
I'd wonder about a damage comparison between s6 Danjin on Midnight and s0 Sanhua on Moonlit.
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What if we put the new havoc set into sanhua??
The energy regen stats and the 12% damage boost from moonlit will be pretty much wasted since the only benefit you’ll get is the 15% havoc bonus. But try it out and let me know how it goes. Compare it with moonlit if possible
i wonder if this new echos will benefits yaun wu T.T
According to Maygi's calculations the Emyrean set is indeed better for coordinated sub dps like Zhezhi and Yinlin
he is off because he doing test with 2 diferent values of crit rate, 75,5% crit rate for Empyrian 88% crit rate for Moonlit counting Shorekeeper 12,5 crit rate buff, a 13% difference.
I don’t disagree with that but if you have a well invested dps character, moonlit is the better option according to my tower runs
I don’t think critical rate is the problem here. Getting at least 75% and above should suffice for a damage comparison between the two sets. If one turns out to be better, it will stand out more by giving you more damage per rotation and faster clear time overall. Keep in mind that the empyrean anthem set had even more crit damage than moonlit
@@itssenpai626 and that what happened mate, empiriam is better by your own metric, even through it had 12% less crit rate still cleared close to it, even on the 4:39 comparation on Damage per rotation.
75% is low with shorekeeper buff, at the end is RNG, i am not going to see slow motion to check every single damage, but we can sure assume you did a lot less crit hits with empyrian, i have to restart a lot with jinhsi because she missed crits/crit fishing and she has around 77%, for yinlin is even worse because multiple hit multiple chances of not critin.
Its okay if you think 75% with her buffs are fine, i dont but that fine too, but say it 'does not matter when testing event through there a 12% gap between then' is not fine, its bad faith.
You could just removed 2 parts of moonlit and roled 2 other just for testin through.
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Oh cool. Thanks for the story spoilers. I haven't gotten to the end of 2.0 yet.
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They need to allow you to use non leveled up echoes as level up materials just like honkai and genshin
I have tooooo many echoes. So much that I have to batch data merge just to make room in my backpack smh
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Heh, I'm sitting with 17+ not attack/glacio questless knight, 25+ not attack/glacio abyssal patricius, and 20+ not attack/glacio abyssal mercator. And yet still no double crit 3 cost echoes for Carlotta😂😂😂
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Empyrian win clearly, 75,5% crit rate is not the same as 88% crit rate, counting Shorekeeper 12,5 crit rate buff if you have even have it fully, you simply criting more and that why you think old set is better, it's not.
Not just to activate New set, but for her coordenate attack, Resonance, resonace liberetatiom, basic attack, heavy attack, intro and outro, soo~everything. the longer the fight the more it matters.
your game has extremely high color saturation, it almost burned my eyes lol
so basically the "kuro buffed everyone" from the video title has nothing to do with the content of the video, since these new sets basically buffed no one and every single char does just fine with the sets they had before.. so only thing worth re-farming is the nightmare crownless for camellya if you have her...
Did you miss the part about Spectro Rover?
@@itssenpai626 so it is maybe 1 unit, even tho we did not get any actual numbers. so how much is the dmg increase in %?
the question still remains is the dmg increase worth the amount of time and materials you spend on re-farming and rolling if you already have a well build spectro rover? like in HSR or ZZZ i would never waste my time on re-farming sets because a new set will end up doing 3-5% more dmg on units which are already well build and clear everything anyway..
so yeah, without a word about the actual dmg increase it is not really conclusive if re-farming is worth it at all.. i wont waste my time on anything below 10% and even than the question would remain: do you need this 10% or can your spectro rover already clear whatever you want him to clear anyway? if you tell me on the other hand dmg increase is 20% or more we might have a reason to think about spending time and resources on re-farming
Perhaps the "buffed everyone" means every player (since we all have Rover), not every character?
@@pikajew9455 yeah or maybe the title is just clickbait - but yeah, the title for sure refers to the players and not characters.. sure sure :)
I will play Yoohoo. 🙏
Kuro did in fact NOT buff EVERYONE, why bother with such a misleading clickbait title, unless we are going to pretend yuan wu, taoqi, calcharo, and jianxin dont exist, and like you said in the video lingyang cannot maintain the full buff of carlotta set so you wouldnt use it on him in the first place.
Did you miss the part about Spectro Rover?
I'm not grinding new echo sets until the system is improved.
What system
They need to allow you to use non leveled up echoes as level up materials just like honkai and genshin.
@@LightofJoshuaDo you know the difference? Why not just ask for everything without any gacha elements?
tidebreaking ignored =(
Holy spoilers.
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Appreciate the support as always. I hope you’ve mastered the controller gameplay by now😄
@@itssenpai626 it's almost my second nature to dodge now! hehe. i'll come back to this video once i've finished the main story and unlock all the areas, since i've yet to even do that, haha. xo