A friend in Wisconsin, next to Canada where there are a few trees, sent me the price tag for NZ pine sold in his local hardware store. Cheaper than we can buy it for here.
Great watch. I love seeing stories like this where the guys running the company actually have some vision of what is going to happen in the future rather than what they need right this second.
Since you got to go through Red Stag you might be able to convince them to take you through Timberlab (formerly McIntosh Timber Laminates) up in Auckland, now that Red Stag owns them. My old man currently works for them as their machinist and maintenance fitter, and I worked for them when it was under the old name, when Grant was still alive, and it was a pretty full on factory back then, these days its jam packed with glulam beams. Grant merged the company with Timberbond Ltd. about 7 or 8 years ago, sunk millions into the business and bought new machinery throughout the factory, but after Grant died, his widow sold the company to Red Stag and has been going strong ever since
Great video. I love working with timber but I’m now seriously looking to build a tiny house using steel framing. The price of timber in New Zealand is so ridiculously overpriced now, I can not justify its use.
Cheers A S, I thought the same when building “the section no body wanted” and looked at all the options including SIPS, but standard timber framing was best price point for me, still allowed for upgrades and a method I prefer
Josh , I love the fact that you are very knowedgale about not only the building industry , but how to run a business in general . your rival Scott Brown Carpentry is more on the intricate of the building . I think both channels give a good broad spectrum indeed
Hey bro that was awesome 👍 u should do more videos like this, I personally really enjoyed what the video was about, it was very informative and very well filmed/produced and I genuinely enjoyed learning about red stag, never heard of them befour, probably because I'm not a builder but I am from wellington 😅 🇳🇿
Great video and its nice seeing whats going on at home that doesn't always get shown. I would be interested to know the quality difference in timber is between someone like Red Stag and some of the smaller local ones around the place our ITM is shocking considering they do some milling onsite which if your paying similar price quaility can mean alot. Thanks :)
Seems like the only thing they need is a rail connection, the most efficient and sustainable way to move goods around. Just as well the Rotorua branchline still exists, even in somewhat dilapidated, mothballed state. Rails on the ground are better than no rails on the ground. The trouble would be the last 2 k's to the factory from the current end of line through Rotorua. The old formation, yard, and station site was pulled up, demolished, and sold ages ago. So new track would probably have to street run through some large enough main roads, like they do in Kawakawa .
This was the largest. Im pretty sure the largest sawmill in the southern hemisphere is owned by AKD in Australia its the newer version of that USNR line.
Covid has impacted supply and demand, however Red Stag is still above the bottom line and steadily recovering with the global market opening back up again... I work here, we were told this at our site meeting 😊
Yes at 13 minutes you hit the nail on the head Investing in new plant and machinery to keep up to date. Far too many factories let their machinery get old and then they can't afford to replace it, so they close down.
@@nzbuilder NZ's logs are the most expensive in the world., mimimum wages up, costs up like everyone else. Steel and concrete have increased by more in recent years.
From their website.. "We have recently added a new biomass boiler and steam turbine generator. This allows the site to process all of its waste residues, supply all its own thermal energy, all of its own electricity and exports power to the national grid - all carbon neutral from local sustainable plantation forestry. A true biomass powered sawmill."
Thanks Edward, it a compliment you think it’s good enough to be paid for. Like I say at the end of video, definitely not an ad - just a builder and big kid at heart super interested in the process if I’m that way surely others are - hence the video :)
Thays the amazon model that helped them become dominant. They made no profit for a long time because all profits were reinvested so less tax paid, shareholders were aware of their growth and domination plan and it paid off to position them in a absolute market dominant position.
My understanding is NZ now has the highest grade pine in the world for building houses etc , and the export logs you see at the port of Tauranga...didn't make the grade!
I have 14+ years of experience in timber industry of all types of imported and local timber for sales supervision l lam looking for a job in Newzealand in same field
I know the feeling, we discussed this with them anc pretty sure majority of their product actually stays in NZ, sounds like Aussie is a small portion of their output
All they need now is a rail line into the site so they can lower their carbon emissions by sending their product to the Port of Tauranga via rail rather than road. If the Rotorua branch (rail line) was still in operation they could use that!
I had the misfortune to go to Red Stag on a regular basis to collect the finish product. Treated like sh*t, bullied, shouted at and even threatened by a forklift driver who was going to drag me out of my cab. I banned myself and refused to go there again. Boss didn't like it but never stood up for me, so I no longer work for him.
Largely sawmill in the southern hemisphere processing low quality logs. A species that was native to North America and never exploited commercially. What's that tell you....
Well hope west fraser doesnt buy you out. Its a neat process yo see from log to boards the process. Trezt your EMPLOYEES with respect , without them your mill isnt able to run.
The homes in New Zealand are a mess so cold in the winter made from crap wood and cotton wool dor insulation with aluminum window frames that make great condensation every morning like it's 1970s again.
Yeah. It is pretty typical for good quality NZ products to get exported to foreign markets with NZ left with the rubbish or inferior imported products.
Someone needs to tell this dude to put his hands down when he talks... And seeing the staff red stag have on the floor it's no surprise they can never get the gauge consistent..even though they have calibrated machines doing the job. Redstag timber is subpar at best
It is rare to find any business owner who will refuse the lure of a large cheque pushed into their hand. So many NZ businesses have sold out to the chinese - iconic companies like Fisher and Paykel. At the end of the day it's nothing but greed. If china came knocking on my door I would send them packing, it wouldn't matter how big the cheque was.
Like I say at @11:20 definitely not an ad - just a builder and big kid at heart super interested in the process if I’m that way surely others are - hence the video :)
@@nzbuilderinfomercial , that chemical shouldn’t be used in a dwelling . Breathing the dust when sawing that wood covered with crap will make your carpenter’s ill . 👍🇨🇦
This efficiency is why timber and building costs in NZ are so reasonable oh wait…
haha I love it
A friend in Wisconsin, next to Canada where there are a few trees, sent me the price tag for NZ pine sold in his local hardware store. Cheaper than we can buy it for here.
Cause Australians and New Zealanders are suckers. Western Australia just banned logging…. Apparently the regenerative process was “unsustainable”
@@bungee7503 Typical.
@@bungee7503 because nzers are paying for the dicounted export pricing so us mugs here pay retail plus 40%!
Fuk them go steel framing.
Great watch.
I love seeing stories like this where the guys running the company actually have some vision of what is going to happen in the future rather than what they need right this second.
Thanks for taking us thru the mill process
Love your channel
Since you got to go through Red Stag you might be able to convince them to take you through Timberlab (formerly McIntosh Timber Laminates) up in Auckland, now that Red Stag owns them. My old man currently works for them as their machinist and maintenance fitter, and I worked for them when it was under the old name, when Grant was still alive, and it was a pretty full on factory back then, these days its jam packed with glulam beams. Grant merged the company with Timberbond Ltd. about 7 or 8 years ago, sunk millions into the business and bought new machinery throughout the factory, but after Grant died, his widow sold the company to Red Stag and has been going strong ever since
Being an ex fitter at redstag, its crazy seing all the gear i used to pull apart and fix on youtube
Great video. I love working with timber but I’m now seriously looking to build a tiny house using steel framing. The price of timber in New Zealand is so ridiculously overpriced now, I can not justify its use.
Cheers A S, I thought the same when building “the section no body wanted” and looked at all the options including SIPS, but standard timber framing was best price point for me, still allowed for upgrades and a method I prefer
Thanks for sharing the long-term view that Red-stag cleary has.
The owners know their game is the “Infinite game”
you’re right - sustainable timber is an infinite game
Great work, good to have Red Stag in Rotorua. Nice to watch.
Been there 37yrs under this present owner the place has gone to the next level world class
Josh , I love the fact that you are very knowedgale about not only the building industry , but how to run a business in general . your rival Scott Brown Carpentry is more on the intricate of the building . I think both channels give a good broad spectrum indeed
thanks Rob! I have a lot of respect for Scott, it’s not a competition - plenty of building chat to go around
@@nzbuilder indeed. I watch both channels on Saturday morning with a cup of tea . Then head off to watch some club rugby, GO MANUREWA !!!
Great Video, I have dealt with the boss at Red Stag in another life, he is an impressive guy, thanks for sharing
Wow impressive video. Please do more stuff like this.
Thanks - Im keen to do more of these, just need to line up some more factories to visit
Enjoyed this, thanks for posting.
Hey bro that was awesome 👍 u should do more videos like this, I personally really enjoyed what the video was about, it was very informative and very well filmed/produced and I genuinely enjoyed learning about red stag, never heard of them befour, probably because I'm not a builder but I am from wellington 😅 🇳🇿
why is log price not up much in the last 5 years, but the 4x2 price has doubled? i think that mite be the key to there success
Well Done for the turn around Red Stag Timber
Great video thanks
I can remember when every town in NZ had a few saw mills
Now there are only a few in the whole country.
Great video mate, awesome ad for your business but also interesting content
Great video and its nice seeing whats going on at home that doesn't always get shown. I would be interested to know the quality difference in timber is between someone like Red Stag and some of the smaller local ones around the place our ITM is shocking considering they do some milling onsite which if your paying similar price quaility can mean alot.
Thanks :)
As a pump guy, I would nerd out on this site. They would have some very impressive pumps, drives motors etc Good video!
There was lots there to nerd out on :)
LOVED the treatment plant at Waipa.
Seems like the only thing they need is a rail connection, the most efficient and sustainable way to move goods around.
Just as well the Rotorua branchline still exists, even in somewhat dilapidated, mothballed state. Rails on the ground are better than no rails on the ground.
The trouble would be the last 2 k's to the factory from the current end of line through Rotorua. The old formation, yard, and station site was pulled up, demolished, and sold ages ago. So new track would probably have to street run through some large enough main roads, like they do in Kawakawa .
Thank you very informative and narrated wow awesome showcase of a business :-)
cheers chickennchips - it’s cool to show all the aspects of what we’re doing
This was the largest. Im pretty sure the largest sawmill in the southern hemisphere is owned by AKD in Australia its the newer version of that USNR line.
good to know - hopefully I get too check out that one too
I was just in New Zealand last week and saw heaps of stockpiles of timber but the way that plant works all round is brilliant 😮
Covid has impacted supply and demand, however Red Stag is still above the bottom line and steadily recovering with the global market opening back up again... I work here, we were told this at our site meeting 😊
I've seen a similar set up at kiwi lumber in the wairarapa.
It would be cool to check them out
Yes at 13 minutes you hit the nail on the head
Investing in new plant and machinery to keep up to date.
Far too many factories let their machinery get old and then they can't afford to replace it, so they close down.
cool video, thanks Josh
No questions were asked why the timer prices are still so high...
not the purpose of my trip - just interested in how it all works and understanding the process and business
@@nzbuilder NZ's logs are the most expensive in the world., mimimum wages up, costs up like everyone else. Steel and concrete have increased by more in recent years.
This was super interesting
Awesome stuff thanks
4:50 "The people behing the sawmill" maybe spelling mistake there. Great video Josh.
ahh the typo strikes back - thanks for spotting
@@nzbuilder mate im from wellington I know the area well, good wishes to your business mate and having a go on youtube best of luck
Timber Mill in Victoria Geelong has this setup .
Thanks a lot Josh, that was damn interesting.😊
I work as a maintenance fitter at a similar sized mill here in Canada. Neat to see how similar it is to operations here.
Are they hiring?! 😂
nice - I’m sure they’re always looking for more likeminded people to join their team. hit them up
@@nzbuilder yes, continuously. More shifts going into CLT facility now too.
They are looking for a weekend fitter supervisor actually.
good video bro =)
Interesting that itm uses them. I know builders that have gone to itm saying how much better their timber is.
Can do something about nog and stud centres based on different types of cladding! Single story!
And a pretty good recreational forest park around it.
Worked there when it was owned by Fletchers.
Decent mill.
Impressive and innovative... 🙂
Are they on the exchange?
Love this. You're a great presenter too!
Did you say 4x2? 👀
Why do you say "up" in Rotorua? Is that place at high alititude?
Higher in latitude.
@@craigshrimpton5765 I get it, thanks. Further south (greater latitude) is "up".
Alots changed since I worked in the mill at taupo
It was pretty impressive
Nice content 👍🏽👍🏽
thanks Dry Weetbix - ever tried Vegemite on your bix?
What is the primary species processed here ?
Pinus radiata. It takes the pressure timber treatment extremely well.
So what about the carbon from the furnace?
From their website.. "We have recently added a new biomass boiler and steam turbine generator. This allows the site to process all of its waste residues, supply all its own thermal energy, all of its own electricity and exports power to the national grid - all carbon neutral from local sustainable plantation forestry. A true biomass powered sawmill."
Great idea for a video, can’t help but wonder if they paid you to do this?
why would they pay lol
Thanks Edward, it a compliment you think it’s good enough to be paid for.
Like I say at the end of video, definitely not an ad - just a builder and big kid at heart super interested in the process
if I’m that way surely others are - hence the video :)
Old school NZ advertorial style. Love it.
Hey Josh cool vid bruv
cheers
A quad quad, I like that idea.
Me too!
i thought tasman in kawerau was the largest south.
Well done NZ. Keep it at home.
That's the plan!
@@nzbuilder haha NZ will sell it overseas where you can pick it up cheaper NZ business love to rob kiwis blind.
Does he know what to do with his hands?
When you're reading a script from the company, it's hard to be natural
So who owns Red Stag now?
Fletchers elephant joined the chat 😂
waipa forest not at woodhill, but good stuff
Thanks - I love geography!!!
Wow
👍🏼
Thays the amazon model that helped them become dominant. They made no profit for a long time because all profits were reinvested so less tax paid, shareholders were aware of their growth and domination plan and it paid off to position them in a absolute market dominant position.
🤙
My understanding is NZ now has the highest grade pine in the world for building houses etc , and the export logs you see at the port of Tauranga...didn't make the grade!
I have 14+ years of experience in timber industry of all types of imported and local timber for sales supervision l lam looking for a job in Newzealand in same field
We get the rejects.
I know the feeling, we discussed this with them anc pretty sure majority of their product actually stays in NZ, sounds like Aussie is a small portion of their output
Smart maintenance team wrt reliability
I wark at waiph mill in the 80s
Hated working at the mill nearly as bad as a fish factory ⛳
cool man sounds like factory’s aren’t your thing - what do you do now?
Great video but please consider changing your background music it's hard to concentrate with it constantly cuting in and blasting loud.
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All they need now is a rail line into the site so they can lower their carbon emissions by sending their product to the Port of Tauranga via rail rather than road. If the Rotorua branch (rail line) was still in operation they could use that!
I had the misfortune to go to Red Stag on a regular basis to collect the finish product.
Treated like sh*t, bullied, shouted at and even threatened by a forklift driver who was going to drag me out of my cab.
I banned myself and refused to go there again.
Boss didn't like it but never stood up for me, so I no longer work for him.
sorry to hear that Marc
I wish you slow down on filming
Yet we are paying the premium price for it
The price of a being on small island tuck away at the bottom of the world :)
Largely sawmill in the southern hemisphere processing low quality logs. A species that was native to North America and never exploited commercially. What's that tell you....
It tells you a lot about the shit-show that is timber preservative treatment in North America.
Well hope west fraser doesnt buy you out. Its a neat process yo see from log to boards the process. Trezt your EMPLOYEES with respect , without them your mill isnt able to run.
The homes in New Zealand are a mess so cold in the winter made from crap wood and cotton wool dor insulation with aluminum window frames that make great condensation every morning like it's 1970s again.
Yeah. It is pretty typical for good quality NZ products to get exported to foreign markets with NZ left with the rubbish or inferior imported products.
@@kaymish6178 NZ gets the best cuts from the log, whilst lower grade timber goes to Asia.
Still can’t provide a decent salary 100k freak out!! For a heavy diesel electrical fitter with welding experience!!!
Someone needs to tell this dude to put his hands down when he talks...
And seeing the staff red stag have on the floor it's no surprise they can never get the gauge consistent..even though they have calibrated machines doing the job. Redstag timber is subpar at best
Definitely no heart wood coming out of those matchsticks treated sapwood
If only that timer was stone. Maybe nz houses would feel like a real house rather than a mouldy shed.
Terribly shot. The fast pan, zoom and rapid cutaways gave me vertigo.
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Until the Chinese buy it
it’s a family owned business that’s proud to be Nz owned
@@nzbuilder you say that but wait and see
It is rare to find any business owner who will refuse the lure of a large cheque pushed into their hand. So many NZ businesses have sold out to the chinese - iconic companies like Fisher and Paykel. At the end of the day it's nothing but greed. If china came knocking on my door I would send them packing, it wouldn't matter how big the cheque was.
Anything can sold
JNL?
I used their Jframe for a bit when it was available, from what I understand they’re directing a lot of their product back to Japan now
Just a pure commercial? Sure feels like it.
Like I say at @11:20 definitely not an ad - just a builder and big kid at heart super interested in the process
if I’m that way surely others are - hence the video :)
@@nzbuilderinfomercial , that chemical shouldn’t be used in a dwelling . Breathing the dust when sawing that wood covered with crap will make your carpenter’s ill . 👍🇨🇦
4x2 and 8x2. Don't use those measurements here.. cmon chief.
So you're not a builder then. Standard vernacular for the last 50+ years since going metric.
and btw, "here" is different from North America where they call it 2x4, 2x8...
Disgraceful amount of pollution coming from their stacks - looks like a plant from 1960s first world countries. Do better NZ.
This guy remind people of Gromit? 😂
haha Having a Grand Day Out?
Red Stag is not the biggest. Just saying.
poor animals
Big river sask has a bigger mill just saying
That's in the Northern Hemisphere Olie