Star Citizen: Which Hercules Starlifter is Best?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- The Starlifters are coming - but which one should you buy? The A2, C2 or M2? Join Lead this week as we dive into the reasons there is only one Starlifter worth actually spending that money for - and it might surprise you which one. If you're thinking multiples, we'll cover those options as well.
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"Which Hercules Starlifter is the best?"
The Carrack
we like this ship.
lol
Minimum crew of 4 for the Carrack will be a pain in the ass when the full game releases, also the Carrack is ugly as hell both outside and inside.
@@Dregkar why a minimum of 4? Pilot, Engineer and server blades for the turrets?
@@Dregkar Carrack? Ugly? D:
Who here is going to spend at least a few hours seeing how many smaller ships we can stuff inside the Hercules?
More like a few days. I gotta figure out how I'm organizing my mobile pit station. Hoping I can comfortably fit the Razor, M50, and Omega as well as spare parts. Lol
@@serrethindustries9468 "damnit paul, we didn't steal 50 M50's on a whim! You said you could move them, and I don't care that after the 30th, unholy abominations of space and time started happening, we're loading all 50 or we die trying!"
100%
I hope my 325a fits, be nice to have a fighter inside.
@@neth77 probably would, if its tall enough to fit Tonk inside, it'll be tall enough to fit 300's inside
Now if CIG could just make cargo running a decent game loop again.
Completely agree! I refuse to do cargo runs with all the 30k's that happen. Don't want to waste 2-3 hours of work and 1-2mil aUEC+ becuase CIG can't fix the dang 30k problems. It's truly a shame that after all this time of dealing with the 30k crashes that they won't invest in fixing the issue. It's certainly not like they haven't made enough damn money off the community.
@@robertlkeltner4085 It's not that they don't care about cargo running, it's because they want people to test things other than cargo running.
This is the reason they nerf and buff aUEC rewards for other types of gameplay too. To incentivised people to try, and thus test, the things that they want to be tested.
I like cargo running as much as the next guy, but even I'll admit that me raking in millions QTing back and forth between two points isn't contributing anything of value as far as playtesting goes.
Carrack vs M2 was a surprising and valid argument, enjoyed the content.
I already own the Carrack and the M2. I know what I'm about. I've got the Hull C to look forward to for bulk hauling. The M2 is for protected cargo and the Carrack is just awesome.
@@Daniel.Liddicoat same carrack for if friends are online ship almost worthless with only 2 where a m2 could still defend itself well
I mean it is 🤷♂️ but I can’t buy a carrack right now cause it’s not available.
@@adarkwind4712 there's always the grey market
@@adarkwind4712 Invictus Week is probably better than the Gray Market, since it covers all the military contractor ships. Though you can check the Gray Market price at the same time and see which is less, GENERALLY the official sales are less and the Gray Market has a little extra added for profits.
I see the C2 being the most useful right now...
Except a light fighter could currently make more money for the time investment. If they fix cargo, then yeah lol.
Yeah until someone takes that plot of land that you wanted, the A2 would take care of that little issue right quickly and but the fear of god in to the guys who took it
@@screamingiraffe in a lawless system, maybe
In UEE space that just gets you a crimestat
@@screamingiraffe you can't take someone's land in uee space
This guy's voice is very similar to Khaios , a Terraria youtuber
My lack of impulse control makes me want all 3
Sounds reasonable to me, go for it
"I love the A2, I have an A2"
Has never flown an A2
I can understand all your points and I agree with them however I am still going to stick with the M2.
First of all the most stupid reason (objectively speaking): The name I want to give it. I have a name in mind for the ship, but fluff wise it needs to be on the military variant, not the civilian.
Second: my friends, I have a few friends who want to get into SC later on when the game is more fleshed out (atleast a few systems to fly around in) but they will never spend what I will spend. However I still want to be able to do things with these friends in 1 ship and earn a bit of aUEC in the process. The M2 with it's extra crew seat makes it a ship for 3 instead of 2 which for a small group of friends can be an important thing to have.
Third: The armor. Even though we don't have armor now I am a firm believer in that armor will make a significant difference later on and that having heavy armor will be enough to make attacking the M2 just not worth the effort for many players/griefers/pirates etc.
Fourth: I don't mind carrying a little bit less cargo, and yes, in terms of what other kind of ships will fly in the verse in the future that 150scu is nothing.
I get that the carrack is, on paper, a better ship. But I just don't feel any enthousiasm for it. I have flown it during the IAE when you could rent it for free and even though it has lots of features it just wasn't it. Couple that with the fact that the M2 can still be flown effectively solo and that for the Carrack you should be with atleast 3 (for either left/right or top/bottom turrets) and that was reason enough for me to skip the Carrack.
100% agree the c2 is purely a cargo ship where the M2 is a multi tasker
Carrack has a big caveat though: it needs a bigger crew in order to be effective at what it is in comparison to the M2 but on all other fronts I agree.
Those crew positions are probably for positions you would not need if you are just using the Carrack as a hauler.
Not to mention, none of those things are in game yet. Might as well get the M2, and as those features get added on, then consider upgrading to a Carrack if it's a better fit. The pilot controlled guns, even on such a huge and ponderous ship, are not to be overlooked.
And the vtol of the herc series over the carrack
Sorry, but the Carrack only needs one person for cargo runs. Even if being attacked, your shields and hull are strong enough to give you plenty of time to jump away. And the Carrack is big enough that EMP's does nothing to it. Plus, the Carrack is fast enough to out-run most ships anyway. I know all this because I own a Carrack and this is what I do daily.
It won't outrun ships like the ares. Especially as it's not fast in atmo.
Wow, I love the thought processes discussed in this video. I've watched several of your videos but this is by far my fav.
I love the style crusader is going for
Fantastic analysis there Leadnap. You have actually changed my mind as I was thinking about going for an M2, but I also already own a Carrack. I hadn't really thought about the similarities between them, so the extra discussion was appreciate!
Hope it helped! The M2 could become better on release - but for now it's a poor financial move.
I definitely did not expect to come out the other side of this video wondering if I should be looking at a carrack. Great video as always, thanks for the hard work!
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I own the C2, but I also have an M2 and BMM CCU in my buybacks for it, 'just in case' I see some reason to justify an upgrade when they end up in game. Having had a HH for over a year (placeholder for the Polaris), I believe the Armor and Shield value of the Military Variant will certainly justify an upgrade. I'm just waiting for the opportunity to try it for myself, first hand in the verse before I commit.
I already owned a Carrack at the original price. As such I was only mildly interested in the C2 and had a $10 "Merchantman to C2" CCU due to still having access to an original $250 Merchantman. However, then CIG increased the price of the Merchantman to $450; opening up the ability to get a $30 CCU to the M2.
Through several old CCUs I still had in my account as well as some discounted Warbond CCUs that CIG started offering during the Anniversary Sale I was able to get the Hercules M2 for $195. At that price I figured I might as well go with the M2 instead of the C2.
Now I had hoped that for the sheer price difference (+$120) between the C2 and M2 that the M2 would have received more than just a single extra turret and some armor (at the cost of 25% cargo). The difference between the Starfarer and Starfarer Gemini was just +$40 yet the Gemini received larger guns on all manned turrets, heavier armor, an additional missile launcher, stronger thrusters, also at the cost of 25% cargo capacity.
So yeah, for their original pricetags none of the Hercules variants are worth the money; but if you really want one I guess the C2 would be the best as it at least offers you the most cargo space. In my case I was able to get a massive discount thanks to various discounted CCUs and that's the only reason why I chose to go with the M2. 😉
Waiting on the M2, but now your messing with by mind! Watched this 3 times, probably not going to sleep now lol. Thanks for the vid ;)
I've got an M2 and he really summed me up right at the end... "a simple space trucker planning to work some dangerous space and only have one ship to work it in." But I disagree with his comparison to the Carrack. The crew requirements are a significant difference and the lack of any pilot controlled weaponry is a big deal for someone who is planning on mostly running solo (yes, I know AI blades are coming, and I can't wait, but having SOME guns for the pilot is a peace of mind thing, regardless of how unwieldy the ship handles... I scored some seriously desperate defensive kills flying solo on the Starfarer when I had it as a loaner). Either way, really looking forward to them!
Got an M2 on concept. I still love it. This guide only reinforces my love for it as i will either be in a party of 3 or solo.
If you already own an M2 it's not a bad thing. Both videos I've done on this is with information that we have, and it's possible either the C2 has less cargo or the M2 more - keeping in mind the C2 did have extra cargo space on the top deck but it wasn't 200 SCU worth either. They have the same cargo deck so there shouldn't be a dramatic difference like there is.
you've convinced me to sit on the C2 with an M2 ccu in the wings. Typically, I'd have applied all the way up to the M2...but having a Carrack already, you've given me reason to wait and see. Cheers +1
This is in a lot of ways what I am doing too - I hope the M2 releases better than concepted, but it isn't worth it today.
Well you left out very valuable information. The C2 and M2 both carry two Tonks but, that extra cargo space equal more vehicles with those tanks like say 2 Ursa or 4 cyclones. Meaning a a drop force of Mobile infantry is possible with the C2 and only a very small and under protected armored caravan is possible with the M2. In a situation where another Org is paying your Trans Company to deliver there Ground Forces Troops and Mobile Infantry to the Ground, the M2 would be point Less if you Own two Cutty Blacks, A Valkyrie, a MSR, and the C2. Let me explain. The first three ships can deliver an Ursa Rover full of 6 people, 2 cyclone TR with three,2 dragonflies with crew for scouting, and 32 troops as the first to hit the ground. Followed by a MSR with either an Ursa Rover laden with crew or two cyclones of your choice like the RN and AA ( aa/Base- AA/AA), while finally the C2 lands as the last craft with one Ballista, Tonk, and 4 more MT in tow or any other variant you can think of. Thats literally a 100+ man fighting force of significant size and the M2 is not needed because the LZ was cleared before it even got there.
The way the rumours are now is that the actual cargo bay where you store your vehicles is the same for the M2 and C2. So the C2 can't carry more vehicles then the A2. Also the M2 get's actual seats for the crew of the vehicles which, with the ever expanding force reaction in the game can become quite a significant thing.
Where in the space the M2 has it's extra seats (and the A2 it's gunner seats), the C2 will carry extra cargo.
I agree with you, but one thing I have in my mind is that the Starlifter series is really made for planetary military exercises. Means, you can fly probaly much better or stable with the Starlifter series in the atmosphere AND attack much better ground targets (what ever it is) compared to a carrack (since as you said the turrets looking down). So it depends what you want, as always :-)
Great vid! Hopefully this will help folks make a better decision on their ship(s).
I'm looking forward to my C2 (and thanks for the M2 to Carrack comparison - I was considering picking up an M2 in game once the opportunity arises, but I already have a Carrack, so I can grind credits toward something else)
Thanks for the breakdown!
The carrack is lovely but the c2 is hands down a better option if you’re purchasing in game. 5M aUEC vs 26M aUEC put these two ships in completely different star systems in terms of price.
Now, if you want a well protected, versatile cargo ship, maybe also consider the starfarer gemini. Military grade armor, tons of firepower and when modularity comes on it'll have a competetive cargo capacity too, just at the cost of being slow as molasses.
You forget the cost of sanity navigating it
Amazing video. It actually made me appreciate my Carrack way more. :)
The M2 has the same space inside, its limited by weight to account for the armour, ocourse if you can afford any of them without a worry then get the M2 the Armour will be a godsend.
Nice, view points, I do agree with your opinions- but do love them all. Hard to wait and see how much fun it will be when base building is out and you can attack with a bombing run.
Im not getting one, but cant wait for the day when I can finally say "Enemy A2 above!!!!"
I love the way you think!
Instead of being excited for a particular starlifter, I'm more excited for the gameplay and options that the starlifters as a whole bring to the verse. More large cargo ships, tonk & ballista carrying capacity, bombs (sometime in 2021), and further detail in the Crusader line. Sign me up!
I came to the same conclusion a couple of weeks back when comparing the M2 with the Carrack. It was great hearing someone else confirm my thoughts. I can't wait to see these beauties in game!
Especially when the M2 gets a price bump at launch. Even a 15% bump could put it within $50 of the base Carrack.
i immediatelly knew that the C2 will be the best bang for the buck right when these variants were announced as concept. i got myself the C2 and really cant wait to get my hands on it in roughly a month i assume.
Invictus is at the end of May. Two months, tops!
Carrack was a surprising but logical choice! Especially for multiple gameplay loops. I like your sense of thinking!
If armor becomes a thing than those in outlaw systems (if they become a thing) would definitely want the M2. We’ll see what the future holds.
Lol this sentence they been selling a lie for hundreds of dollars who buys anything as ridiculous as 2-600 dollar digital bullshit in a game that has no indication it will ever be finished the amount of denial this games community is in blows my mind this game is nearly 10 years into "development" and isn't even close to being what was promised lol sad really
Great video, still own the M2 but absolutely agree with your arguments for them all.
I have been excited for the C2 since I got into the game, sad its getting moved to 3.13.x AKA: Invictus
When exactly is invictus? I’m waiting for my C2 as well.
@@Red-Dog7 invictus is in May
Since the C2 is still marked as tentative in the Road Map, I'll consider it a unicorn ship until I see it. But, they committed to their new car, which for a space based game, seems pretty pathetic.
Yep I am certain after what they did with the MSR they will do the same thing for teh Herc and Tank... They will save it for fleet week...
Lemme start by asking: what is invictus [about]?
I agree, the questions in the end with M2 vs Carrack will come down to speed, travel/fuel efficiency (which the carrack should have as exploration ship) and if you really want to transport a tonk all the time
Fair points and close to my thinking on these ships back when I was considering them. Bought both an M2 and a Carrack because while they have many similarities on paper, they are purpose built for very different roles. Love the Carrack and it will play a central role in my PMC themed org but not on front-line combat ops if its avoidable. Can't wait to be in in my M2 (loaded with AA tonks and troops) as part of a large fleet, watching our forward elements secure the LZ as we turn downwind and complete our landing checklist. Can almost smell the dust and cordite hehe. I wonder if engine exhaust will have any smell in 900 years time?
This is the longest excitement that ive experienced so far, but i like it.
I own both the Carrack and M2, I love my exploration with the Carrack and I love my ground assaults with the M2 dropping off tonk's and troops.
There is one more scenario where the M2 is the best option: If you have an exploration megapack (and therefore already have a Carrack), but do not want the included 600i Exploration. The M2 is a mere $5 upgrade (until the flight ready price hike) on the 600i Exploration.
Not planning on buying one any time soon, but I do like them so might keep this in mind.
Great video! Was thinking about spending money on this but don’t have a carrack yet xD
Wow, this was a really good comparison - Rather eye-opening too seeing as I was questioning whether on not the C2 was worth it over the M2 (after the video I watched before this one).
Currently love the C2. Its gonna be a great way of getting tons of cargo in and out of atmosphere vs the Hull series which is for space transport. I can see these being the main means of getting stuff down to player bases and outpost.
Should be modular, able to switch out bombracks for cargo space. Modules was one of the best ideas CIG has not just shelved, but gutted and spit on in favor of profits.
It's not - and not being modular is the reason the Hercs have the advantage in capacity over say the Cat which is modular. Bombers are reverse convertibles - you're removing hull integrity to put holes in for things to fall out. If you then put a ton of weight over that modification things would break.
It's a bomber, in lore it's rare. It's probably the only bombing ship CIG ever gives us - justifying it's horrendous price.
The C2 makes more sense with the features we have in game today. It might completely change when the new damage model comes into play together with new and more dangerous systems.
Exactly what I was thinking.
I think the Carrack is on my shopping list now.
I will definitely be getting a Carrack once server blades are in and I can slave those turrets to pilot control. It's the only reason I don't have one(Other than the cost)... But I as the game stands, C2 is more than enough...IF you ever find somewhere to fill up all that cargo space
Something often discussed in our org discord, is that we will need methods to make lots of money to pay for these ships running costs. We won't be able to simply be able to fly a Kraken all day, and not have some type of income, as we won't likely be making an income with the Kraken on its own. There's plenty of ships that are going to be this way. Similar to how it's not worth running HH bounty missions in a Retaliator, as you eat up all your profits in torps, repair, and fuel (and later you may need crew), you need to have a ship that's an efficient moneymaker to support your fleet, factoring all the running costs, including crew. The game we have, is not the game we'll end up with, and we need to plan for the end game, not the alpha.
this only convinced me to keep my carrack and buy a M2 on top as well lol
Instructions Unclear: Bought all three and then a Starfarer to keep them running.
Good Video. You definitely saved me some bucks. Even if I dont have the money rn when I have it I know which one to buy!
Read my comment above C2 is the only one that makes since of the three. Especially if you plan to run ground forces or be a Trans Company that takes care of the logistics for other orgs and NPCs
Im glad I didn't upgrade to the M2 now and happy (still happy) with my C2 purchase. Thanks!
Thanks for the perspective you put forth, I'm still trying to figure out what my fourth Spot in my hanger will be. This gives me something to consider.
Current hanger Stalker Vulture Corsair
I own a carrack(got it when it was cheaper) because versatility is king in my eyes. Yes the carrack has issues but it can dabble in more professions(not best at them) like cargo, medical, drone gameplay, ectara and have more answers to things that come up.
If i had to only go with a Hercules it would be the base cargo variant due to price and earn everything else in game. nice vid
I actually got myself the A2. I wanted a "military" big boi with big guns and that bomber idea coupled with the AC-130 flavor and the edgy colors got me to buy it. The plan is to see what it looks like and how it feels like once it hits release and depending on that I might swap it for another real big boi on next sale.
I wonder if it will be a viable gunship in space if you make make it so your bottom turrets face your target as much as possible, either by rolling or decoupling. Could also stick a tonk in the back for an extra rear turret haha.
Another case for the M2:
The added chin turret can cover your ground vehicles as they are exiting through your front ramp.
You can land right in a hot LZ, take more fire with the added armor, and the chin gunner can take care of threats on the ground.
They seem to have shyed away from anything "modular", but I do hope they revisit some of it on the Hercules series, because that giant vehicle bay has so much potential.
when i saw this video i didn’t hesitate although i knew that i need more he all the herculeses especially the a2 in my life .
Agree 100%. Got the c2, a2 and carrack:p
I think the C2 can easily be flown solo or with just a single mate / npc to man a turret.
Hm. You made me thinking about it again. I’m actually more into the white color of the C2 and prefer a civilian-like ship. But as much as I heard from the nyx system, it’s going to be a dangerous place. But the thing is, if I have cargo stored and I’m getting attacked, I’ll try to fly away and not to fight in my massive ship. Also I’m short on money. Before I watched your video I was pretty sure I’ll buy the M2, but now you made me save a few bucks. Thank you!
I agree. For now the C2 is definitely the best buy out of the three. But who knows, maybe smuggling contraband in hollowed out MOAB shells will be a thing.
I have both the C2 & M2. Carrack won't be able to carry the Tonk if the sizes are correct. Plus the C2/M2 can be used as a pocket carrier for snubs and Dragonfly's allowing it to be able to be used for looting if you wished. Lots of options for the C2/M2. Can't wait for it's release.
Correct in every point, could not agree more. Great video!
I would also agree that the C2 is the best bang for the buck, while like most people I always enjoy a ship with more armor and guns the star lifter itself has a rather unique design in that most of the firepower is in the back...which makes sense because in a fight you want to get out of there and use those big engines to power away and those guns will keep any light and quick ship that can keep up with you not want to stay behind you while you leave those slower heavier gun slugs in the dust.
That nose turret just doesn't have much use, its under the nose so can only really shoot directly ahead and side to side. The pilot already has some guns to help clear the way already and I don't think you'll be able to keep the nose at a target long enough to really cause allot of damage. So for that loss in cargo and hike in price...if your looking for a better/faster caterpillar with more defense and speed with a bonus of more cargo...for the price the C2 seems like a great upgrade.
As the game evolves we might see atmosphere flight to be less needed for cargo hauling but until then the ability to land on planets is king and the star lifter...well, it lifts things.
I look forward to your videos, keep up the great work.
Thanks!
Good video but I have to say that you are overlooking a few things about the M2.
1) It has a dedicated Jump seat section in its hangar to allow transportation of not only tonks, but troops/and tonk crew as well. The M2 is the only of the three variants to have this. Yes. This matters. Maybe not today, but it will in the futur as force reactions keep expanding and not being properly seated during a bumpy ride may equal to injury or death. this makes the C2 a terrible choice for that the M2 is really about: Transporting not just Armored vehicules. But rather an armored vehicule FORCE (with its crew etc...) Ready to deploy, ready to battle the moment it exists the ship.
The C2 can transports these same vehicules. yes. But transporting it with their crew safely in a hot zone? Different story.
2) The extra turret placed right above the frontal hangar door. (Aka, the exit point). Not a coincidence. Say you land in a hot zone. And you have an anti Tank infantry unit with Rail guns etc.... All they have to do is wait outside the Hangar door, and when they open. The tonks are sitting duck ready to blow up. That turret is there to prevent that. It can preventively clear the area for the vehicules and troops to be deployed safely. Something the C2 can't do.
And of course the armor but you did mention that.
The M2's role is VERY clear. It's not to just deploy tanks, it's to deploy a ground attack force in the middle of a hot zone. Something the C2 is very ill equipped for .
it's really simple. Not sure why your making is complicated as it needs to be.
Want trade only? Or perform org logistics in safe zones? Take the C2.
Want to deploy Ground assault forces in hot zones? M2. Hands down.
Want to drop MOABs? A2.
There. Simple. No theory crafting required. All boils to what you want to do with the ship. Now "which one is the best". That's relative to what you want to use it for.
Your argument only hold ground if you look at this purely on a trading/logistic perspective. When the M2 and A2 were clearly not made with that in mind. That's what the C2 is for. Making the entire debate true, but ultimately pointless.
Bought a C2 ... thanks for the information.
_"You only need the C2."_
Hah! No. Nobody needs _any_ Hercules Starlifter. They look awesome, the C2 and M2 seem like they fill a niche to conduct landing zone to landing zone cargo hauls, and I personally look at the C2 and warm to the idea of having one. But it's not needed. Upon analysis, the Hercules Starlifter line all look like one-trick ponies, so as much as I like the look of them I also find myself questioning the wisdom of acquiring a ship that does "that one thing" really well.
Plus I keep my wallet closed. 😂 It's easy to get the ship of my dreams when the ship of my dreams is "the investment that is squarely inside my self-imposed spend limit." 🧐 (AKA much smaller than a Hercules Starlifter)
The Caterpillar does the Hercules' joke almost as good, but does everyone else's jokes just as well.
How much?
@@Solar546 I decided my account limit was $200.
@@marcjensen9080 That's a good decision. I have an MSR and a Gladius and I can say that my personal Fleet is complete. I'll buy the other ships in game.
One point I wish you would have mentioned : The Hercules is the only Large size ship with just a 'medium' size radar. You have shorter range view.
I definitely agree with this thesis. The extra armor of the M-2 may sound alluring, but my experience running solo cargo is that speed is everything, so I want the fastest ship possible.
The M-2 will be useful for org play, I believe, since that extra armor may buy time to clear a hot LZ.
I bought the M2 --- BECAUSE --- the loaner matrix was set to give me the MSR and the CAT. I got to experience the MSR, and not loose my CAT. Of course.... now I will loose both and be forced to melt and reset! I will probably get the C2 and the MSR - great comparison!
Cant wait to try out the Hercules and Tonk.. I want some new ships in Star Citizen as well....
Great vid! Subbed
It really depends on the playstyle, and this current version of the game cannot realize all of them. The C2 is the only relevant one right now. However, I went for the M2, for I already have the best Hercules. The Carrack. If ground bases had turrets, NPCs, standing guns, and AA missiles then the A2 becomes relevant. For the M2 to be relevant, slaved turrets need to be a thing. I agree the C2 is the best right now, for cargo is the only real gameplay, but I play solo alot.
I want to thank you again for helping me out with choices. In this video you helped me decide to keep my Carrack which I was considering trading for a C2 and a DUR. You also helped me think maybe that isn't a bad thing? Funny now I am wondering if I should trade? Nope I will stick with my Carrack. Unless I can somehow sneak another $500 or $600 into the game to buy the C2 and the DUR without my wife finding out...
Nice comparison with some good insights, I don't see the 'downward facing guns' argument holding up, because we can roll.
bought the 800€ bundle for the 3 a while ago so eh XD got the best of both world
Great comparison - I was really panting after the M2 until you told me I already have a better ship! Now I'm actually considering a C2, if only for how beautiful it is - inside and out.
Having a Carrack already, I look at the Hercules line and mostly think how cool they are fleshing out the heavy military lifter role. But I don't see myself personally having one, only flying or working on one in a militia/military role.
I love the Hercules series. The A2 isn't my thing, but still cool. I have friends with Carracks so I can just join them for that stuff. I'm happy with my Herc.
I'd like to offer an alternative to the whole Starlifter line..... The Misc Starfarer !
Once that Baby gets going it is virtually impossible to stop....... in time.
A genuinely useful video delivered at the right time. Personally, I just like the idea of flying massive ships :)
I like flying the big ones myself.
Just helped me make up my mind, work toward the Carrick
One category missed is in atmo flight characteristics. Other than having more SCU my other reason for getting the C2 over the Cat is (i assume being shaped more like an airplane) the C2 will fly better in atmo over both the Carrack and Cat getting you off the planet and back into space faster away from "risk".
With dedicated VTOL you are correct. Its shape and capabilities makes it a superior atmo ship amongst the rest. It's original concept was that is was a superior military transport ship. Getting cargo and assets on and off planets with a quickness.
I'm personally going for a military aesthetic for my fleet and carried across into my org, I went for the M2 for this reason and pretty excited for it to come to the game. Didn't get the bomber, although cool, I don't have £700 to spend on a ship
I was all set to say " I purchased the C2" and leave it at that, but you had to go and mention the BMM and then I got the James May fizzy feeling and it won't go away.
The only reason to buy a BMM right now is to lock the price. It might end up carrying A2 levels of cargo for cargo running for all we know.
@@Leadnap That is exactly why I purchased it. I have a mate that is already upset that he waited too long and the price is going up. I am not expecting to even see that ship in game for 2 or more years, but it sounds like a style of game play I will really enjoy. I rather pay 350 now than what it will end up costing, which I believe could be over 600 dollars by the time it goes live.
I agree, it's the C2 that is the best of the bunch. The A2 is, for me at least, a buy in game when I can afford it. A good amount of cargo runs in a C2 will do just that.
Finally a man with common sense (just chatted with a friend debating between hauler or armored hauler)
You're a sweet guy Lead. We had a long conversation on this and you didn't just tell me I'm right, you went and made a whole video just to vindicate me. Thanks man! :P
Anyone who thinks I just come up with this all ony own or somehow get visions in my sleep from CR is fooling themselves. 90% Of my content comes from discussion with other players, really boiling stuff out and that usually means I make a video or two vindicating some very smart SC players! Thanks for your help on this one.
@@Leadnap psh I didn't do anything but shoot the shit. I appreciate the work you put into your videos and even if I already know the content it's still an excellent exercise in putting my thoughts together. It doesn't hurt that I've rarely objected to anything and on some things can be swayed by your arguments.
I will promptly try to fit everything I can in the C2 that is coming. It has to be done. It is in our blood.
C2 might be the only ship period you need to own
As a c2 owner, and not a Carrak owner. I am looking forward to using the c2 when it is released. I like the idea M2. I will probably wait and see what the ships feel like, I would not be surprised when they are released that the c2 series will be ships of the month following release.
I bought the C2 but the M2 is a very attractive alternative on paper. I looked at it this way: If you are buying a heavy transport/tank carrier you are likely not alone and should have escorts so get the max capability of the ships role especially if spending real cash for it. It will also have more utility until the game expands in features and needs for supporting large ground combat ops is relevant. In that scenario having escorts is not likely a problem. The A2's role is not interesting to me and too niche for real cash. I'll buy one later with in-game money if that changes or be a crew member on someone else's A2.
You are not wrong. I am completely behind you on the c2.
I am one of the few that falls under the type at the end of the video (mostly solo trader, never going to get Carrack due to how many others have one and prefer crewing on one to owning) bought an M2 upgrade from the Banu Merchantman just in case that worthy ship gets altered by CIG in the wrong direction, or they continue to let trading languish, and in that case I am OK with upgrading to an M2 and paying more again in the future for a BMM when a real trading economy is implemented.
I value having some solo defensive/offensive capabilities, and get decent cargo capacity, a unique crew seating area for vehicle transport and especially RACE or even possibly fleet battle boarding ops, and the one thing an M2 might be able to do better than a C2 withe the extra guns and armor is act as a pocket carrier, of which we don't really have one, especially at that price point. I guarantee people will put fighters in the C2 and M2 as they only non capital ship with a pass through bay, allowing for some serious multirole play, which is long overdue.
I think C2, but the A2 does look awesome!
I’vet got a C2 for myself and an M2 CCU. The C2 will be a contender for the Cat hands down for some good time, but I believe this will be a safe-space hauler - like in Stanton. However as Pyro is introduced I suspect that the M2 will be more appropriate if you want to move cargo between the two systems.
yeah. it changed my mind. I moved back to my Freelancer DUR and Banu Defender + Prospector xD
Carrack also has drone operator chairs :) Add NEMO drones, and she's a minesweeper. You're not wrong, C2 or Carrack :)
Just hope they show more of the Herc now.
I think it really depends on what you are looking for when it comes to the Herc, each has their uses, if you want to transport Cargo then yes the C2, for vehicles (and base prefabs once they come into the game) then the M2, and for a dedicated gunship then an A2, though a Hammerhead or Perseus might be more useful.