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Today, producer Manny Nieto is joining us to share one of his most unique mixing tricks with us!
The trick uses analog techniques in digital form to create HUGE kick sound.
Add low end to a kick drum without any synthesized low end, such as Pro Tools. This technique doesn't work all the time, but if the tempo, drum kick, and drummer is right, then is sounds AMAZING.
In any program such as Pro Tools, you get the kick drum mic and send it to the AUX. In that AUX you use EQ and boost the frequency around 35-40 hertz, and then cut everything above that. So basically, that kick drum is unusable.
Then, you duplicate that AUX with the same EQ with the original kick drum, so that it is now going out of 2 Auxiliaries. Then, send the second AUX back into the first. This essentially sends a feedback loop on the EQ, and if you raise it loud enough it will have a loud "hum" sound.
As the driving force of the group Distortion Felix, Manny Nieto got bit by the recording bug after working with recordist Steve Albini on their I'm An Athlete album in 1999. Manny quickly built a studio in East Los Angeles, Manny's Estudio International, and soon bands like Chokebore, The Breeders, Vaz, Health, Trash Talk, and even Los Lobos, were tracking records there.
But a decade on, something snapped in the head of Manny Nieto, and soon he was off on a recording odyssey that took him to China and Southeast Asia, including the cities of Singapore, Beijing, Hong Kong, Macau, Chengdu - even venturing into New Zealand for sessions.
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What are some of YOUR favourite mixing tricks? Comment below!
Pultec plugin on the mixbus 2db at 30hz, it does basicaly the same
My kick drum sound sucks…… not anymore! Can’t wait to try it out.
@@stanleyc6225 fantastic!
@@e.apollis2877 yes, as long as your mix has everything highpassed expect the Kick that will work. Typically mixers won't risk that
sennheiser mke 600 in front of studio monitors.
capture full playback of mix.
add it back in low in the mix.
makes metal sound more metal.
'Very subtle' lol its BOOOOOMING ahahah
Haha indeed!
Hahahha felt the same
that low, end makes a few steps towards world peace ..salud maestro!!
Haha nice
Manny *plays drum track without low end trick
Me: "damn!"
Manny *plays drum track with low end trick
Me: "GOD-damn!"
Haha yes, indeed!
Thank you KK for the kind words ;)
My thoughts exactly!
Same here!!!
Right!!!
Well, that definitely worked. I followed along in Reaper with a random kick and it works flawlessly. I use multiple plugins on a kick sometimes. This is an awesome trick!
Thanks! Yes, great trick!
This is a wild trick! Two sends off the kick, each got the same 40hz bump and a LPF, 2nd send feeds back into the 1st send. Definitely thumps, will save as a channel strip preset. Thanks!
Make sure the tempo and feel is right!
@@leefchapman 100%. This probably wouldn't work well with a fast-moving double-kick but for groovier style rock it slams.
@@leefchapman fantastic!
Its a good one for sure!
@@mannysmiclocker Thanks for sharing Manny! Hope to see more cool advice like this in the future!
Im still addicted to tape but also love the marriage of old & new school but it takes pros like you to bring it out! Cause I still love performance over what they do today. But wich I could work with the real macoy's such as yourself! Awesome brother 👏 🙌 💯🤘
It's rare enough having an analog head go digital but when they do.. and THEN bring out some digital hacks for analog gems... it's GOLDEN!
Your videos are great because they are very specific, and focused. There's so much to put into practice, and your short videos make that possible. Other videos, while they're fun to watch, can get overwhelming and hard to remember. But your style has been showing up in my daily work! So thank you Manny!
Wow made my day my friend! Thank you so much for sharing. I do appreciate Warren and the PLAP team for having me .
I cant beleive I found this.. Thanks Manny and Warren, Im using this method on my death metal album and the kick sounds massive
Fantastic! Thanks
this is unbelievable good !
thanks for sharing
Thanks Curtis!
Thanks for checking out!
I like how it changes the frequency of the attack as well
Manny, thanks for sharing. I love the woofiness that imparts. Never thought to process my kick in that manner. Definitely going to add this to my arsenal.
Manny Rules!
You know when i did this i think it was a little hot but of course use good taste in mixing in or not using too.
just tried this and it worked a treat. pretty interesting how the shape/Q of the boost affects the tone of the self oscillation. sounds really weird and woofy when you solo it but mixed in behind the original kick it sounds absolutely massive, especially going to tape. thanks manny for sharing!
Exactly!! It’s all about how it’s blended
Thrilled you enjoyed ;)
Excellent technique for a great kick sound, adds like a bit of 808 vibe in a good way
Fantastic! Thanks for your great comment
Song sounds great!! Cool trick!
Thanks Conor! Manny Rules!
"Spirit in the Room" look out for their new record 2022.
Try adding gated white noise on snare
Agreed! Amazing!
Yes I will next time! great snare tip Jose ;)
@@mannysmiclocker would teach it when I taught sound engineering in college
Interesting technique. I learned a similar technique using a gate and a low frequency sine wave way back in the day when DAWs were in their infancy and drum sample replacement was not as prevalent as it is now. I imagine a gate could be used with this technique as well if needed. I’ll have to play with it a bit. Thanks!
You know sometimes I use that trick as well!
@@mannysmiclocker that’s awesome. I learned it from my Recording Arts teacher Rick Shiner back in the mid-nineties. I’m sure it’s been around for way longer than that though. Thanks for the reply 😎
Amazing advice!!! Thankyou so much for sharing!
Appreciated the shout out YV ;)
Is Manny the most chill, lovely, dude in music, or what?! He seems unreal in his level of chill!
Yes, Manny Rules!
Thanks Graema Appreciated the kind words
Whoa that's a mean low end,I like my drums ever so slightly saturated especially the kick.I think I have a fet plug in I gotta try this.Manny you and Albini are the only guys I really can pay attention to when it comes to recording and mixing.
Appreciated you sharing David! We love PLAP it’s for the Peeps!
of course manny's gonna have the most legit trick on the internet. wtf?! this sounds so awesome! how? feedback loop like a moog filter or something?
Thank you! 😊
Thank You so much!
Thanks ever so much!
That kicked from sounds amazing just by itself
Yes, Manny is very talented!
Bock 195 always delivers!
works like a bomb, but I found I had to use a phase flip on the second Aux. Maybe because of the EQ plugin I used? Anyway, love this!
That’s interesting! Thanks for sharing that
This is AMAZING!!
Thanks M!
Manny Rocks….what a huge track !
Thanks! Yes, Manny Rocks!
Thank you GVT
@@mannysmiclocker you rock!
That is a good trick! Manny references Steve Albini a lot . Kinda demands for a special with Manny and Steve, doesn't it? One day maybe .. Btw. This is pretty much in the same vein what Mark Rubel did with his Bottle Trick . Cutting the High-end with a resonant Filter and than feed that channel into itself for self-oscillation. Just nice . The Cats spilling the beans on this channel.
Awesome stuff
Thanks ever so much! Manny Rules!
Great trick, Thank you for this info Warren and Manny, Manny seems like a real nice and genuine guy
Agreed! Manny is amazing!
You mean thank you Manny for the info!
@@thedayones4918 Yes! Manny Rules!
Appreciated the kind words Michael ;)
@@mannysmiclocker No probs 👌
Merci manny and warren j’essaye ça demain ! why I didn’t think do that trick before ??
Bonjour! Merci Beaucoup Daniel!
Awesome !
Thanks Jeremy!
If I've understood this technique correctly I think you can achieve something similar with fab filters Saturn using the feedback on that. Really cool technique - those drums sound beautiful!
Great! Yes, Manny is a badass!
That is just really clever
Thanks
Awesome !
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I've got one just like it and it contains the drill & accessories it came with. I keep mine in the studio also for all the rack gear.
Haha nicely done!
@@legacyShredder1 fantastic!
Great trick!!!!👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks Toro!
Amazing trick Manny. I’m dying to know what setting is on that eq three on the first aux. and what is the purpose of that? Thanks!
Thanks for the tip; nice natural density.
You Rock Arthur! Thanks!
Wow, that kick sounds huge! Gotta try this.
Haha You should! Manny Rules!
Appreciated the kind words Lee!!!!!!!!! and Warren ;)
Dude!! you just save me...!! woohooo
That's freaking great
It certainly is!
Good tip Thanks!
Such a good sound!
Thanks ever so much
Thanks for checking out AM ;)
Old school rules
Yes, indeed Jose
Thanks Jose!
This is a fantastic trick!! Even though that kick sounded amazing just as it was too. What kind of bass drum was it?
I think a DW w a Bock/ Soundelux 195 set to fat and low cut setting! Thanks brother and appreciate you sharing. Chat soon my man! Warren and Crue the coolest.
Love this trick.
Me too! Thanks Guy!
You can really hear Albini’s influence, very similar drum sound to Nirvana’s “In Utero”
Well hard to get away from those tough tones ;) he did show me how to record personally so yeah his influence very noticeable. His love of mics did rub off.. thanks for sharing .
@@mannysmiclocker that's a good thing! Your drum tones are excellent. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
awesome subs dude.
Awesome. Can also use soundtoys filter freak and up the resonance on a steep bandpass filter or other synth plugins
Sure, I think Manny said that this is an alternative so you don't use other plugins.
Amazing trick that I WILL be stealing soon.
Marvellous!
We are all brothers and sisters here sharing what we can.
Well I have to say it's a huge sound indeed. Great lesson!
Thanks Pablo!
Appreciated the kind words Pablo.
The kick sounded more natural and clean with out the feedback loop “boost” (Clean, natural, punchy vs muddy, distorted, dirty) it’s all personal preference however. The kick sounds like it was recorded very well at the source! 😎
Oh yeah, he's very talented. But absolutely, it's for taste (I loved the original sound too) and works well with this music for sure. It just opens up a lot more creative ideas to bring over an analog trick as a digital hack.
Thank you and i do agree. for this demo i did have a little over the top to show but in the mixing would have been less for sure. Appreciated you sharing that Doc.
@@mannysmiclocker Thank you. I can certainly see where it may come in useful! Cheers!
Holy F-ing Moly!!! That get's your attention!!!
Haha indeed
it may sound like a big boost in relative isolation but when this is used in a dense mix with lots of tracks using the 30 hz area it's gonna lose impact and create some masking. there are better ways to make a kick pop out, such as change pitch, add samples, side-chain competing frequencies and these are just a few off the top of my head.
Manny, could you please say Hi to Mark Loya and Ric Reyes from the band Califas (1983/84). I used to jam with them in Commerce, Ca. '83. I learned a lot from them and other musicians who used to jam at the Reyes jam room back then. Maybe you were one of them. They all used to talk about the Music Academy Ric went to. They would probably remember me as the "Australian Guy" who pronounced 'weird' "Really weird!". (P.S. this msg is an accidental repeat from my comment on the "punk Mixing" video I watched after. "I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress...I repeat!". Warren will know what I mean. I've quoted King Crimson before. 😎)
lovely stuff
Thanks John!
Im having a hard time following the signal flow. We following the Bus17 signal, coming from the Kick Send, right? Bus17 is going into Aux1 and Aux2. Aux1 also gets a send to Bus17, which is on the input for Aux1 and Aux2, feeding the signal to Aux2 ánd back into Aux1, creating a feedback loop to itself? And then from Aux2 feeding back into Aux1. So there are 2 feedback loops going on for Aux1?
Love these little producer hacks! Manny is the best
I cannot get enough of him. I think I watched his previous interview three times.
Yes, Manny is the best!
@@leefchapman me too! And we filmed it! Hahaha
Appreciated the kind words brother ;)
This guy is a cool cat
He is pretty darn cool isn't he!
My true middle name is Felix!
Sounds like a good little trick to use in the studio on some slow kick drum parts, but I wouldn't want to use it throughout an entire song. I wonder how this would translate to a live concert mix?
would like to hear what Manny produced/mixed track he has used this on so can/hear in context of a track ,please ?
I really would like to try it out, but I can't find a way to do it with Cubase :-(
Weird. I'm in bed, so I'm just listening on my little bedroom stereo. It does have a subwoofer, though. When he put the 35hz auxes in, I actually lost a little low end, as though there was some phase cancellation. Maybe it's the position of the sub relative to my ears. 🤔
Maybe? It blows up my headphones! Haha
Sounds good... "it's very subtle" ha!... about as subtle as an elephant dancing to the kick.
hahahah!
Haha depending on how much you use of it!
Yeah i do get a big sound out of minimal gear Fosho!
this guy is the SHIT. so this also kinda delays the sub build up with the feedback loop, right? Something so satisfying about the sub following the attack, also saves headroom.
Haha yes, Manny RULES!
You know that was on playback of a massive mix and sometimes HD rig video slightly off so yeah looks worse then it is delayed vibe visual.
should have called this one...Thunder! Thunder! Thunder!
Yes sir!
I’m not really clear on why you’re duplicating the aux, when the first one has Bus 17 set as an input, and you are sending that signal post eq again to Bus 17, thus already creating a feedback loop that will make the EQ oscillate.. what am I missing?
Manny, can you answer this? Many thanks
Alessandro, in theory Raw Kick sent Aux1w/ EQ bump all highs cut then sent to Aux2 ditto eq then Aux2 is sent back to Aux 1 for a party of Low end BYOB ;)
Thanks for bringing up this question! And even more thanks for the clear answer!
Didn't work for me. As soon as I tried to raise the level of the send the first aux channel shot up to 755 db. I'm not sure how the routing goes because I'm only really familiar with Logic.
You it’s a crazy gag and that happens to me . Using AUx I have super low and muted . As I raise it then u adjust. Ore the aux fader not send
@@mannysmiclocker, I ended up figuring it out. I actually used this truck for a mix I did recently. I noticed it doesn’t work on every kick, but when it works it works!
@@cbrooks0905 that’s so great! Thanks for update ;)
Sorry in advance for what may be a dumb question, but what is the signal path for this? Is it running both the original kick and aux. 2 through Aux. 1 and then to the master bus? I just really want to understand the flow, it sounds amazing. Thank you!
I have to remove low end more than add it often times.
Indeed! High pass and create space for the kick
@@Producelikeapro not sure how often you work with sampled kicks, but do you find them bass heavy? Most the kicks I have from sample packs always feel too much. I end up cutting and low shelving a lot.
using pro-q version 1 in 2021, god-like
Wish i could do this in ableton
I'm surprised it can't be?
@@Producelikeapro if there is a way, it isn’t very straightforward…have tried to do something similar to this on and off for years to no avail lol
@@Rhuggins send kick drum to return A & B. Then on the return track B, send to return A to create the feedback loop. Worked for me!
@@dougweier1 thanks so much!
How do you feed it back in
You send it back Thru a buss to the first AUX made. Hood that makes sense MA.
Can you make a video going in detail.
Is there any plugin that can do this trick for drums. What compressor gives the biggest PUNCH to your ears. On individual and group drums.
I want to intern with Manny so bad.....
Me too!
@@Producelikeapro you are both too kind!
Couldn’t follow which band he’s talking about?
Spirit in the Room was the name of the band i used audio from if that was the question ;)
@@mannysmiclocker Thank you so much. About the trick. Unfortunately Cubase doesn’t allow feedback routing.
That’s snare though
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@@pbaileyCMG 🙌
Ouch
Who said mixing kick drum is not a rocket science! ?
Haha Manny is pretty darn amazing!
Practice makes perfect!
this makes rbass cry
haha I do love RBass!
I do dig Rbass and use every session!
This froze my Pro Tools. Think I did something wrong...
the problem with this is you are putting a lot of energy into a frequency so low that so many people can't even hear. I had trouble hearing it on earbuds. You can't boost every frequency at the same time and if everything is loud, nothing is loud. many people can't even hear below 30 hz even on expensive speakers but it does soak up energy like a sponge you could put elsewhere.
One might say that this trick is... Niet-o.
I'll see myself out
Haha thanks Joey! 'I'll get my coat'
Ha love that!
@@mannysmiclocker the legend himself! Much appreciated!
Doesn't sound dope at all...this is probably an Albini mischief making joke that Manny bought...better triggering an 808 sample in my humble opinion if you wanna add some clean sub bass of however dirty you wanna make it...aux bass feedback loop? Get the fk outta here....Albini is messin wiv ya!
It was literally on Steve Albini's Mix With The Masters lecture and documented elsewhere.... Albini has never recorded and mixed a band with Samples unless the band actually used a drum machine as part of their sound. You can take your humble opinion and do what you suggested to Manny :)
@@leefchapman Yeah..you must be right....it must be the TH-cam algorithm making it sound wack at my end.. because everything Steve says is correct and gospel isn't it?
@@brianmansfield666
You're entitled to your opinion about how something sounds but there are so many people that will find this useful. Let them find use in it.
But also - regardless of how you feel it sounds, you went after Manny saying "get the fk out of here" and that Albini was making a joke, messing with him, and being mischief. I simply refuted you. Albini himself has given this out to others and he is not making a joke, messing about, or being mischief.
@@leefchapman I agree. People can experiment with sound. That's the beauty and fun of it..if they have an analogue desk ..or even in their DAW ..there's no rules...no rules... freedom of speech... Life is great isnt it? And maybe..just maybe...Jimmy Page taught Steve the double aux bass trick .. because what's better than a 26" Ludwig bass drum recorded to 2" tape by John Bonham ? ...that...plus the 2 aux bass trick...that's what ! Wot wot...
I know Albini well enough for his serious side and mischief side as he does call me "Rocker" because i'm from LA lol Thanks for sharing and telling my Aux's to get the Fk out?! Their feelings are hurt not mine ;) Stay Frosty Brian my Man!
it didnt sound good at all. its too much.. i dont have the best monitors but my adam t5v are very good for my mixing and shit, that was too much, its annoying. the point in having good monitors is to make mixes that sound good on anything. nothing sounds good on little cheap stereos or laptop speakers but still, a good normal hifi or studio monitors should do the job in having a good listen to a song.
How could you possibly judge low-end by using 5 inches speakers?
How's your room? You can't take just judge something as subjective as mixing as "wrong" if you are using budget monitors in what is likely not an acoustically treated room. I mix in a small sub 150sqft room with a null around 60hz so I used both my reference headphones when checking this out. I use jbl 5 inch monitors myself so headphones are essential in this space for detailed listening. This isn't squeaky clean stuff the aesthetic of this music calls for a fat bombastic crunchy drum set. Work on understanding context and aesthetic of mixes and don't just use your monitors.
eveybody has their opinion but really????...you just said in your comment you don't have the best monitors and you're judging this?gimme a break with that crap
Everybody has their own taste. This totally sounded like a band that can use some wrongness and make it sound great. Heck, I listened to this vid on Skullcandy earbuds and I could hear the effect. It's easy to see how some people might not like it.. but that's why we all do things differently. One man's muddy garbage is another man's life changing moment.
This is the beauty of recording! There is no real wrong way or right regarding sounds. Good Luck and i do wish you all the success making killer records ;)
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Excellent technique for a great kick sound, adds like a bit of 808 vibe in a good way