How To Get A HUGE BASS Drum Sound
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2019
- In today's video I show you my favorite ways to get a HUGE Bass Drum Sound. We will discuss Bass Drum sizes, Types and Tunings. For musicians and producers alike.
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What John Bonham was to rock drumming, Rick Beato is to quality TH-cam content!
Absolute truth
and also a cool dude
Love Bonham but hes worshipped to much for his band stealing all those songs.
@@cj_ssfsm LMFAO... Really? Oh please, tell us ALL the songs that the band stole.
Thanks for the good laugh. It's always fun to see people such as yourself in which you read an article about something and then right away you talk about something that YOU yourself have no clue about !!!
....So please, tell us how (John Bonham is worshipped too much for his band stealing all those songs)............
You're statement here says that John Bonham is worshipped for stealing songs. (ALL THOSE SONGS)................
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Keith Moon is better.
How the hell does RB know everything about everything? It's truly amazing how much he knows about whatever instrument he's talking about.
He's a professional music engineer/producer.
It's in his interest and business to know! : )
Ithaca college
Clearly cuz he's the man!
Years and years of experience, and his massive love for music
Your explanation + real world examples = perfection! Thanks, Rick... I always learn something when I watch your videos - high praise indeed!
Love this explanation. I do both techniques unconsciously but I never knew that my body adjusted depending on how fast I was playing. Rick knows his stuff and that’s due to his experience
The deeper a tube, the lower the frequencies at which it resonates. That is why tubular bells produce lower pitched sounds when the bells are larger and/or thicker. So the reason a shorter bass drum may sound deeper is because of the second membrane resonating more in phase with the first one. A deep bass drum (say 22 inch) may act as a helmholtz resonator which cancels out low frequencies.
Dude Layin down that knowledge
Correct. A deeper drum has a more “tuned” note to it because of the resonance while a shorter drum has more overtones/harmonics. The overtones make it feel more explosive and allow lower frequencies below the resonance of the tube to be more pronounced. To use an analogy, a really shallow drum is more like a thunder sheet (lots of incongruent harmonics) while a really long/deep drum is more like blowing air over a big bottle (helmholtz resonator).
In my own 30+ years of experience recording drums (and playing them) the deeper the drum the more pronounced the resonant frequency of the shell is and the more limited the tuning range is (the drum chokes more when tuned outside a resonance of the tube). But man, when you turn them to match one of their resonance frequencies, WOW!! Super loud, super round tone, and tons of sustain, very ringy. Tuning them outside/away from a resonant frequency makes then very short/choked and they can sound extremely punchy, like that heavy metal super punchy sound with almost no sustain.
Shallow drums have the choking and ringing in relation to their resonant frequency to a lesser effect, so you can get a more consistent sound over a wider range of tuning but it’s neither super choked/punchy nor is it super ringy. Anyway that has been my experience.
"Burying the beater" really sounds like a euphemism to me :)
Your mom buries the beater
As does "choking the head"...as in "when you bury the beater, it chokes the head".
@@CrandMackerel Choking the head is what you resort to when you can't find opportunities to bury the beater.
Ew
Thank you Rick for this video. I have been a drummer for 37 years and professional recording musician for 19 of those years, but I never gave it much thought to playing the bass drum beater off or on the head. You gave me something new to practice.
I'm not sure there is another human on this Earth that knows more about music than Rick.
I discovered some of what you touch on this video a few years ago, when I was surprised to discover that my vintage early 70's Rogers 20" x 14" bass drum produces more low end that a couple of my newer 22" x 18" kick drums. Also, if you're using a front/resonant head on your bass drum, it makes a difference where you cut the port hole. If you get the hole too close to the center of the head, the kick will sound too dry and dead without much resonance at all. I had a kick drum that I thought for years had a problem with the shell (out of round, bad bearing edges, etc.), but I eventually found out the only problem was that the port hole was cut too close to center on the resonant head!
Rick!
I would have liked to hear a back-to-back demonstration to hear the difference properly!
And maybe also have a drummer demonstrate on your kit because it's hard to compare all these different drummers that have their kit mic-ed up so differently!
The shot at 2:16 is not a 22x22 kick - It's 22x36. It was built in cooperation with Saluda Cymbals and is highly customised for one specific drummer.
Yep. Right away it looked like 22x100.
The exact opposite of the popular concert bass drum size of 36x22"!
Awesome! I love this channel for melody analysis and guitar but never had it down as a drum channel. More please!!!
Rick Beato’s content is amazing. The fact that he has a 1950’s Leedy kick drum is proof.
Rick, thank you very much for this fascinating lesson! Very interesting!!!
Great content. Ive been playing drums for 30+ years and agree with this completely. The irony is too many people actually hear with their eyes, thinking you need a 'deep' drum to sound deep, whereas the opposite is true. For the biggest sound, tune both heads to a medium tension, take out all the muffling and play off the head. It's not for every track, but sounds fantastic. well done Rick, love it!
Been looking forward to these drum videos. Brilliant. Thank you.
Hey Rick. Phil Collins was a master with his Ludwig Speed King pedal. Listen The whole "The Lamb..."
I got a drum set about a month ago, so such a video was perfect timing! I would really love to see you make more drum content in the future!
There quite a few good tunning videos on youtube, check out the DW factory tunning clip he goes thru the toms, snare, and bass drum.
@@DHarri9977 ahh I definitely appreciate that my man! Will check out
@@DurfMcAllister ahh thank you for the best wishes and the recommendations!
That was some great information on the kick drum. I'm not a drummer but I played guitar in rock bands years ago. What I remember is that all I had to worry about was a guitar, a cable and an amp. Our drummer had all this stuff to haul around! Over the years I developed a real appreciation for the drummers I played with. They're the hardest working guys in the band.
Rick, so glad I found your channel! You sir are awesome!!
I love Rick's "Woo"s when he hears a nice drum or guitar riff.
I knew that Bonham would be the first drummer mentioned in this vid! lol
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Thanks for sharing all your musical knowledge Rick! Much appreciated bro 🤙🏼
Love seeing the quality and production! Great work
I'm not a drummer but I play bongos occasionally. I totally get the lifting and burying the beater*, or as we "bongo players" call it your *hand. :)
I have a Sonor Designer series with the Maple Light shell. The 22x18" sounds like a cannon.
As a percussionist, I really enjoyed this video. I am glad you included the part about the shorter depth allowing the air column to reach the resonant head.
Awesome video! Just _packed_ with useful info and authentic drumming examples! Thanks for making videos like this one :)
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PLEASE do one on getting a GREAT BASS GUITAR SOUND next
Get 14 inch thick bass, were you even listening?
@@alex0589 Ok Like humor .. But different.?. you Dumbass twit.. I'm asking the guru guy to do a tutorial on BASS GUITAR in the future> Can't you read? ..
Get a great sounding bass first and record DI and amp sound. Hire a great bass player so you get a nice bass line. You would prefer he or she to play with a pick cause it has more definition.0
Fingers also work nice, but sound needs more compresion. Add some EQ and compression on both tracks, use DI for low end and amp for colour. Then, if you want make a third track with hpf on 200Hz and some gentle distortion or/and stereo chorus that gives some movement, you do not want to hear the chorus, but you want only to feel like the bass is wider and bigger.
@@domagojoinky8262 Im fine. There are others that could use some help.. I already have a few Platinum records, and a dozen Gold discs on my walls from my nearly 40 years of recording in NYC, Nashville, LA as well as touring.. My track record is great, no PUN intended.. I have a few great basses with a REDDI DI, an Evil Twin DI, ampeg B -12 with RE20 mic and RME interface for my home studio.
There are kids that take lessons from me or come gigs that play that watch THIS Beato guy online. And it would be helpful to THEM and ALL if they got a Tutorial for themselves to WATCH from the Beato guy of HOW TO... Back in the days when you are referring it was mostly DI.. DI is still fin.but in Nashville more guys are MIC'ING amps and using SVX plugins for bass.. Even some KEMPER .. I use a KEMPER on some live shows. SO . a video by Beato would be helpful to many of the
kids today that want to make their HOME laptop Productions sound better than just a whirlwind DI into a laptop...
I just did a record with an artist that did a #40 hit on her laptop setup. Its 2019 now. Thing have changed since I started on TAPE in a studio in N Jersey House of Music
Ask Lars Ulrich...
Spot on Rick! Most professional drummers know these things, but it's good you share them with everyone else - sound technicians, amateur drummers etc.
Drum power-sizes became very popular in the 90's but nowadays most drummers know that shallow-depth drums produce at quicker often better response.
I love how you know so many details of music theory, performance, gear and so on and are willing to share your thoughts :-)
I know very little about music technique but I learn something new EVERY time I watch one of your videos. You are so knowledgeable, it is a pleasure to learn from you.
Jojo Mayer!!! Wow!!! I have to look him up. Impressive!!
My favorite. Total monster.
@Justme77 - look for the band Nerve - Jojo's d&b project. they have been doing amazing live d&b for over 20 years.
The 20s have this almost pre-compressed tightness and punch that I love. They don't sound as low as shorter kicks, but but I've noticed lower kick frequencies all but disappears anyways in the mix, especially on live shows. Great example of a great live kit that's 22x20 is Chris Pennie playing for Coheed and Cambria during their Neverender tour live videos. It's a tight transient and the low end is super satisfying. It may not be popular anymore, but I'm team 20 all the way.
Superb video and explanation as per usual. Thank you, Rick. Your work is invaluable and contributes to the music community immensely.
Rick, I love these videos! Thanks for walking through the dimensions and beater techniques. I've been drumming for over 20 years and never thought about whether I bury a beater into the head (and the consequence it could have on the sound). Good stuff
Rick, when are you going to analyze Ringo Star's drumming?
He did a little bit a few videos back...
On drums. 😉
@@nbt3663 Thanks!
Alex Van Halen liked using the really deep bass drums his style and sound was unique in terms of signifying his identity.
Dharri AVH has been imo underrated
lol... AVH was using trigger pads
AVH is underrated but there's a reason why no one mentions his kick sounds. Not that they're bad, or anything. But his snare/Tom sounds were just more iconic.
@@GeoffBosco His snare and cymbals are insane.
@@davidleewrath6919
The "ORIGINAL BROWN" sound!
Awesome! Good info. Thanks, Rick! You’re the best!
Thank you Rick for highlighting the idea of not burying the beater. Relative to other drumming techniques, "unburying" the beater is rarely discussed. A related topic is the ubiquitous pillow in the bass drum which causes both foot techniques to sound very similar. Thank you very much for this wonderful video.
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Wow. Being a drummer, NO ONE ever wants to talk about playing off of the head. I think it makes a huge difference in sound, but it's much harder to control so everyone ignores it. Way to go, Mr Producer.
I was always taught that burying the beater was simply bad technique. Just like you wouldn't bury your sticks into the head. I put a Tommy Igoe quote above that essentially says if you're doing that stuff for effect then fine, but if you're doing it because you simply can't bounce it, then that's a technique issue.
Rick, "Great Content" for our young percussionist just getting started. Knowledge that will last a lifetime. Thanks for all you do.
As usual..... always Great Stuff Rick! Thanks and Blessings!!!
So how would a 12x26 drum sound or even a 10x26?
I always thought Alex Van Halen’s deep bass drums were for looks
they are to distract from his inability to play
Thanks again, Rick. All your videos are gold. Regards
Hi Rick
With you on sizes
i got bonham kit and 26" is amazing and band members know where i hit bass drum
on bass hits is so true doing both styles helps with your playing.
good video mate
Who else read "Huge Bass Drum Sound" and knew he was gonna talk about THE MAN.....JOHN HENRY BONHAM!!!
you pretty much have to talk about bonzo when you're discussing huge fat drums
Imagine the moment when Page first heard him playing and thought to himself, he'll do.
@@canturgan That is about how it happened. He called Peter Grant and said, "You should hear this drummer I met".
Step 1: Resurrect John Bonham or Cozy Powell
Step 2: Enjoy
Yes, Cozy always deserves a mention! There's some drummers out today that I could name from just listening, Igor Cavalera is the first, Lombardo, Groehl, McBrain. But Bonham and Cozy are legendary.
Clear and imformative, Rick, as always!
Very well explained and well demonstrated. Rick's point about the distance from the batter head to the resonant head is great and I fully agree with this and have been discussing this with students and other drummers for a while. I also think where the beater hits on the head has something to do with the sound of the drum as well. With an 18" diameter bass drum, you're hitting above the center and with a 26" you're hitting below the center. Hitting off center gives you more resonance, but maybe less impact resulting in a round resonant tone. If you think of playing timpani, you want to hit closer to the edge (off center) to get the most resonance. So if you're playing a 22" bass drum, the beater is hitting closer to the center giving you more impact but less resonance resulting in a shorter sound. So if I have to play a 22", I like it to be 16", or 18" deep (but no more than that) to give the sound waves more room to develop hopefully resulting in a rounder more resonant tone... I hope that makes sense... Just a theory... I'd love to hear what Rick thinks on that... Just about all of my bass drums are 14 inch deep. I dig 18's 20's and 26's the most...
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can you please change the name of your channel to Rick Beato INSTITUTE. so much knowledge in every video release .....
Loving the drums content Rick! Keep it coming.
rick beato rob brown have helped me big time with tuning tips and tricks thanks!
So is burying the beater like palm muting on guitar?
yes, it should be called toe-muting
or
"My knee hurts, leave me alone"
It's actually a mode for a tone. It's easier to play loud rock /fast/semi fast music by burying it than it is for bouncing it off. As Beto said not burying is great for slow songs by constantly not burying it. I kind of use a combo like if I'm playing fast music but it's not quite so fast but if I still want to have power I'll bury it sort of halfway. Especially if the mic signal is compressed or limited to studio or PA. A power trio drummer most likely plays toe down. However, a band like "rage" is that way but not during soft sections.
Bonham was the man, the closest contemporary I can find is Jon Theodore. Theodore is a beast!
RC ANDERSON Dennis Chambers, too. Listen to his cover of Blue Matter and its like Bonham playing jazz fusion.
Wow, that's exactly what I was looking for in these days, for a production. Thank you Rick for your goldmine of knowledge, as usual!
How about making a series of videos discussing the other drum's kitpieces?
As a fellow guitarist I love your drum videos. So well explained for someone like me who wants to record drums but doesn’t have a lot of experience
Bonham's thermo kit was a 26"x15" not 14" more video's about drums please !!!
Gretsch Drummer interesting! I've been a huge Bonham fan and vintage drum collector/user (my first kit was an early 70's Bonham set up in white marine pearl bought in the mid 80's) and I've owned hundreds of vintage drums and this is the first time I've heard he had a 26x15! Thanks for the info!
@@rawkrentals Yep it was a15" deep kick check out Bonzoleum channel
Gretsch Drummer yeah, I found an article online of someone finding who has that kit and they measured it - 15" deep. So interesting, I learned something new today!
I've seen too many live concert experiences ruined by sound technicians who allow the miked bass drum to drown out the bass guitar.
yes. HORRIBLE
Except the bass GUITAR (SUB) freq' s today are
actually interfering MORE with the kick/bass drum lows.
The LOWEST freq in ANY LIVE mix should be the kick/BASS drum
and ABOVE that all the bass guitar freq's tones. Or any other instrument as well.
Other wise its a pissing fight with two skunks in the room.
And, SUB? the kind you can't hear anyway, only FEEL, less than 60 hz should be
gone using the LOW cut filters. SUB only works REALLY FANTASTIC
in low overall volume situations.
40 years of experience playing, recording and mixing live in all types of indoor and outdoor situations, has taught me this.
Today, I watch vocalists and guitarists and even KEYBOARDS being drowned in
SUB monsterous competing kick and bass guitar mixes. Not right.
I even watched LIVE OUTDOOR ! ZZ Top's bass and kick drum war once live.
The SUB delay was almost a full second off and it freaked them out on stage. One set later they we're gone.
All too often both bass drum and bass are too loud. The bass drum overpowers everything and the bass sounds like mush. You don’t need to feel the bass drum hit your chest. And the bass can have a nice sound, if only the sound people actually knew what they were doing.
tune bass and drum lower = problem solved
@@lorenzo6mm idiot, some bands bass go to 17 hz, the whole point is to feel the frequency. stop ruining music caveman
@@tfwnoyandere uh, no. You're suggesting the bass player come up with a new bassline that will fix this?
Always educational and entertaining. Thanks Rick
I always appreciate your videos! Thanks for sharing!
Important to note that John Bonham was heavily influenced by Carmine Appice... just sayin'... :)
He was more influenced by Joe Morello.
@@chrisjohnson4165 and a small bit by buddy rich
How to get a HUGE Bass Drum sound:
get huge bass drums
came here for this, was not disappointed!
Awesome tips Rick, thank you! I never knew that about the depth of the drum having such a big impact.
great video! thanks for share your knowledge Rick
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Another great video! Thank you Rick Beato.
Love your style! Great job Rick.
Dude. RICK. I've been obsessing over bass drum sounds lately and you upload this. ARE YOU READING MY MIND??? - Thank you so much for uploading this. I love this type of content.
Thanks Rick. Good stuff. Peace and best wishes to you and yours!
This might be the best looking episode yet. Great lighting.
I remember a video that Matt Goldman made talking about this, I totally agree woth you two! I hope you're having a great day Rick!
Great video! Learned a lot. Thank you!
Great for drummers of course, but for the rest of the band as well. Learn the other instruments and you communicate so much better in all phases of music making. I consider myself primarily a guitar player but have written/recorded/performed on guitar, bass, drums, keyboards and vocals and it's such a help to be able to communicate with the other musicians. Even if (when!) I'm nowhere near as good as the other players in a given context. Love this video!
every vid i watch from you i learn something valuable. thank you.
Hi Rick! I love your channel, it's super informative. I'd love a video about the evolution of drum machines, sampling and using sample pads with the drums.
Excellent video! I love that clip of Elvin Jones... he's one of my biggest influences in drumming.
Extremely helpful!!! Thankyou sir!
Great vid Rick I'm a drummer and never gave this much though until now!
Priceless info. What a go to channel this is...
I literally went "ooooh" out loud when you hit that Rogers at 1:21. I'm happy you mentioned both kicking techniques. It's important to be aware of and master both depending on which style you're playing, which part of a song you're playing or even which part of a measure or phrase you're playing! Mix it up and create some flavour with your bass drum!
That Roger's was sweet and he barely did anything there but I was like oh yeah
Cool video. Now I have to go back and re-watch your Kick Drum tuning video. The drum tuning videos are excellent for any musician to watch.
Good info! Was hoping to get a little more about the different sizes and maybe hearing demos/examples of how to approach recording with each size.
Another great video 👍👍👍 love this channel
Great clip from Steve Smith - thanks for sharing :-)
I have that 22x14 Recording, too...my favourite kickdrum. Great vid.
Love this. In those bonham examples you can clearly hear both beater techniques
Another great video... Thanks Rick.
"Whoo!" is right on that bonham groove. Nasty. Also, I'm neither a drummer nor an actual engineer, but this video was very enlightening. Thank you Rick! (I should've been an mp&e major!!)
Interesting information .... thank you! I still have a Rogers bass drum from the early seventies.
Great video Rick! I have always preferred a 14" or less depth on a bass drum.
Nice vid RB! As a drummer, I really appreciate your drum vids 🤘😃👍
great content! thanks Rick
Thanks, great video. Can you do some more on drums? I'm 52 and after playing guitar (lead, bass and rhythm) for years, I have recently "expanded" and started learning how to play drums 'properly' with an instructor. Thanks again and see you in the next one.
Another awesome video, Rick...and killer Ludwig kit.
Great video Rick. I'd also mention about using a resonant outer head without a mic hole vs with the hole. Another reason that Bonham had such a huge kick sound was the fact that there was no hole in his resonant head. Same with Simon Phillips. Nowadays, some guys are mounting the mics inside the drum without using a hole on the resonant head.
Thanks Rick for a great video