14:25 Discernment 27:24 Two consenting adults 33:48 You're the reason 40:31 You justify violence 42:27 You're on the wrong 46:26 Telling same-sex couples they can't get married is the same as 51:20 PAIN 1:03:53 No children Failure of the sphincter muscle In 75% of syphilis cases
K M God bless! My mom was raised Catholic and we have bible study together and she still has things that she has to get over and its been 40 years for her.
Both of my siblings are gay. I can’t do anything but pray. Thank God I can. They don’t care about truth and it’s so hard to talk to them about it. Advice very much appreciated.
Well, I actually managed to get through all four parts in one afternoon. Thanks for tackling this issue. Lots of information to process. All I can say is that I have been on both sides and it is better to be out of the gay lifestyle than in it, and better to have a relationship with Jesus than not. And I am kind of grateful that when I got saved, no one was trying to explain that the two are compatible.
Simon you are so loudly against this ministry so something is convicting.....listen to it! I would never commit violence against anyone I disagree with! But I have been threatened twice by 2 people I calmly disagreed with!
@Simon Botte your statement makes no sense. It is sin, it's also unnatural, it's dangerous, unhealthy, it's filthy and it makes no sense logically. A sin is sin, but at the very least the heterosexual immorality is natural human state. Will you come be beastiality? Think a minute
Brave, Mike, taking this stance against evil in the cultural tide and defending the truth. God bless you, and the Holy Spirit continue to strengthen you in your ministry.
@@Axisearth Jeez, this is old. Been a while; you'll have to give a point and I'll deal with it individually. I'll start from what I remember, roughly; He tried to draw a broken link between homosexuality and an increased rate of observed (and very real) negatives. The issue was that he wasn't drawing an necessary link that demonstrated that homosexuality was the cause, nor that opposing it would have even decreased those things in any meaningful or healthy way. When dealing with things like homosexual depression, a good place to start is to deal with the families that ostracise them with hypocrisy. That's but one cause, not homosexuality its self. Same thing with increased substance-abuse; it's no wonder why the abused turn to coping mechanisms, this isn't even a 'homosexual' thing, it's a wide-spread human reaction. Ironically, or, perhaps, wilfully and intentionally, this video series is, directly, contributing to the problems that it blames homosexuality for. It is the problem. It would have been like saying 'we should ban cars because car-crashes happen' or 'we should ban food because people choke'. Senseless. This stuff is, incredibly, remedial, to the point where I don't believe that he's, honestly, acting in good-faith. You ought to be able to break-down his points with but a few hours of research into argumentation and logical reasoning.
@@Capybarrrraaaa I can understand some of your points. I am a therapist and 8 out of 10 women I counsel have PTSD because their fathers raped them. I almost hate getting a new referral for a woman because sexual molestation from heterosexual men is off the charts. I have never ever counseled a woman or man who was sexually abused by same sex parent in all my 20 years as a therapist. But ultimately I do believe in the numbers regarding the amount of sexual partners many gay men have and you could use the argument that they are depressed and act out because their relationships are not recognized as valid. But that still does not make it not sinful. People who chose to deliberately live in sin suffer it's consequences. 100%
@@Axisearth I'm very glad that you hold such a noble position, props. I wouldn't even describe it as 'acting out'. There's nothing, morally, wrong with having multiple partners. Of course, that carries physical health risks, but so does eating food, in the same way. There are healthy and unhealthy ways to go about promiscuity. Whether it is sinful or not is a different question, which I'll address at the end. That's irrelevant to the fact that the claims of the video are incorrect, despite the accurate data. It is not the homosexuality that produces promiscuity, and I can say that from first-hand experience; I'm a gay man who's uncomfortable with (myself partaking in, specifically) polyamory. I, only, want a monogamous relationship and nothing about my homosexuality speaks for or against that. The reasons for these, agreeably bad things, evidently, lays outside of 'gayness'. They cannot be addressed by criminalising gay people. As for 'sin'. You won't find a valid reason to appeal to the Bible for anything like that. I'm sorry to say, but there is no reason to look towards it, and any reason you can think of will be, equally, applicable to countless other, mutually-exclusive, religions. Ones which, no doubt, you deny the 'realness' of. You must accept them all or drop the reason, lest you hold hypocrisy a virtue. Even outside of that, 'living in the consequences of sin' isn't even the problem for gay folk. Like I said; the problems can be, demonstrably, shown and explained to be caused by others acting unto them. Especially caused by the religious. One would think that god would make the consequences more direct than being setup by frivolous, countless, contradictory belief systems, no? Does that not strike you as odd that the issues of these, supposed, 'problems' are, themselves, caused by the religious and not by the, so-called, sin itself? One would expect homoerotic thoughts and masturbation to cause the issues, directly, if they were sin, no? One would, also, expect the 'sin' to break-through any protective measures, condoms and the like. To, really, draw this reasoning out; does god not consider homosexual intercourse sinful when adequate hygiene and protection is practiced? The safety, then, sky-rockets to 'heterosexual monogamy' levels, after all. Even from the Christian perspective, it doesn't seem like god takes an issue with homosexuality. He doesn't extend those, supposed, consequences to safe gay sex, at least. You'd have to, either, accept that god has no issue with homosexual intercourse when practiced safely, or that he's weaker than some thin polyurethane. I hope you can see-through these glaring holes with modern Christianity. Its own logic muddles itself. If you, honestly, think "People who chose to deliberately live in sin suffer it's consequences. ", you, really, have to question why my boyfriend and I aren't seeing these 'consequences'.
@ Mike Winger, instead of comparing homosexuality with incest, I would compare it to adultery. It use to be illegal now isn't. It is between 2 consenting adults. Yet people can get hurt in the process. No one says you are an adultraphobe and are more than happy to judge. I am divorced. I acknowledge it is a sin and is not what I wanted but it is legal. I am very looked down on because of it and have had to analyze a lot of mistakes and repent (I am not an innocent victim). We live in a sinful world and are all sinners. Praise God for the blood of Jesus that washes us white as snow.
@@keithwilson6060 oh so you dont buy the "loving" god motiff either then? well on that we can agree at least. but love isnt imaginary, even if i grant you the idea that love is just a construct of society and chemical reactions in the brain, those chemical reactions Do exist. at best you could say love is misunderstood or represented, it isnt imaginary though.
What intrigued me was that the pastor had to explain extremely basic and fundamental concepts as if he were talking to children. I think a lot of times even grown adults need to be talked to like children because people just won't listen. "Is it ok to blaspheme God if two consenting adults do it?" I wad a bit shocked when I heard that; thinking to myself that some people need to be taught this way.
When Emotional manipulation is used, all rational and intellectual reasoning is bypassed.And when it is constantly reinforced in today ungodly world it takes the most simple explanation to expose the stupidity of this idea.
My favourite argument against sexual identity bondage is the requirements of following Jesus. Jesus said "if anyone desires to come after me, let him first deny himself, then take up his cross and follow me". The first requirement is deny yourself. In sexual identity bondage it is the exact opposite of that. It is to embrace the self, to make that the core of your identity and to act according to it's desires. As Christians, our identity is in Christ, we deny ourselves, die to the self and don't act according to our fleshly desires. It is the power of Christ to not live according to the flesh and it's desires. How can there be salvation without repentance? The message of Christs herald John was "repent and be baptized". Christ came and said, "repent and believe". Jesus clearly taught that sin and destruction were connected. He said "in the same way, you too will die if you don't repent".
Apparently self consciousness and depression are indistinguishable in the human brain. They measure the same and have the same effects to the brain. So it turns out denying yourself is actually a good way to ward off depression. And it's not a coincidence that people that talk about their identity have such how rates of depression. Reminds me of another verse. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for me sake will find it.
God bless Pr Mike and your Ministry. A lot of false teachings continue to overflow the churches and to hear an loving but honest analysis is really what all of us need...
Dear Pastor Winger - please continue to shine the light into darkness. I have recently come across this series and wanted to give a shout out to all those who come across this series to pass it on to the confused people you know. Truth truly sets us free. Only those who have been born again and receive the gospel of righteousness, repent of their sin, and turn to follow Christ's example are able to embrace and know true freedom. Praise Him for He deserves all praise and glory! God is good, and we need to tremble before Him - for no one is good except Him. All He asks is that we turn from our sin and seek His forgiveness. Is that too much to ask for redemption, reconciliation and eventual restoration to perfection? Every person alive today is broken and in need of a Savior.
Hi Mike, thanks very much for your teaching, it's very informative and hugely enlightening. Just a couple of things, breast cancer is not high in the Lesbian community because of Lesbianism. It is high because women that haven't had children are more likely to get breast cancer than women that have had children and breast fed. And in contrast, women that have had children are more likely to get cervical cancer than women that have not had children. Lesbians are also in a very low risk category with regards to cervical cancer and this is because they do not engage in heterosexual intercourse.
I've heard that also about breast cancer, wonder if it's true as well for single hetetosexual women also who haven't had children, I suspect it's true as well
@@cathyhamlin3611 since it is solely based on childrearing or not (based on breast feeding specifically) sexuality is irrelevant to the data (and some lesbians are mothers via sperm donors)
Mike God bless your life! The love you have for others and to point them to Jesus through dealing with cultural topics is just beautiful. Such compassion and truth. A fresh anointing of grace for you I pray🙏🏾
The data is staggering and heart breaking - You can’t walkout the house without seeing this stuff . the promotion of the lies ruin lives. Thank you Mike for the overwhelming data on this subject .
Wow, so many hate comments. It’s ironic how the liberals who preach love and acceptance are so quick to pounce on Christians for standing by their Biblical beliefs. Mike, I truly enjoyed this series and I thank you for sticking to biblical teaching.
Have your religious beliefs, fine. Just don't expect them to be enshrined in law - that's where our problem is. Your freedom to swing your arm ends at my nose.
@Simon Botte Good grief, man. Please point to where in the video that the subject devolves into politics, or polemics, or engages in what you're doing. KKK? White Supremacists?
Simon.....are u aware that kkk began with Democrats? Also Democrats wanted and fought for segregation? Are you aware that anti-fa is a growing violent liberal group that attacks conservatives and calls them White Supremicists to shut them down? SHAME you are a racist!
Simon Botte I am anti-gun, pro-affirmative action, anti/discrimination, who believes that all people should have health care, and that homosexuals should not be discriminated against or hated, but believe that practicing homosexuality is sin and an abomination to God. So those of us that believe in the biblical stance on homosexuality are not the same on other issues. You are being judgmental and prejudiced yourself.
@Simon Botte Christ didn't say anything about rape or incest, but that doesn't mean those things are ok now does it? And I do not support unlimited marriages either. In fact, I think *ALL* sexual sins are an abomination. That includes sex outside of marriage, and even indoctrinating children with Disney princess movies about "love", or indoctrinating them by having the TV on when commercials about Kay Jewelry stores come on. Thankfully, I don't let my life revolve around any individual persons anymore...
Thank you so much for this series and all other videos you made about the hard topics. I’ve only been introduced to Chrisianity since I met my husband 7 years ago. I still have many arguments and prejudices against Christianity and every time I watch a video of yours, the argument/prejudice falls away. Keep up the good work! Greetings from the Netherlands
The word "Bigot" is now just a buzzword, and almost exclusively misused. It hasn't even been redefined, but has been rendered meaningless. Whenever someone says "_____ are bigots" insert Christians, or any large general group, that is in itself a very bigoted statement. "Hate" has likewise become a buzzword, and a misnomer. Many in the media; all types of media, online information sources, etc, have always done this, but it certainly feels like it's reached a fever pitch.
"Whenever someone says "___ are bigots" insert Christians, or any large general group, that is in itself a very bigoted statement." It isn't. To claim that you're a Christian without pointing out any beliefes that you disagree with, despite being in the bible, would default you to fundimentalism. If you identify as Christian, my assumption, as it should be, is that you agree with the bible. The bible contains hateful things. The bible orders that you be prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. Therefore, Christian (as an unmodified noun) is a bigoted person by default. When you clarify your position to disagree with the hatred in the bible, you might then become less of a bigot. A true Christian is a bigot, deviating from Christianity may make you not one. You may feel that it's a "buzzword", but it's the definitions that matter.
I absolutely love how people spreading hate as you are , can't stand the slicest discomfort .... it's just a little drop of your medecine ? tastes bitter maybe ?
@@Capybarrrraaaa Give some examples of Christian beliefs that make them bigots, or that give you the right to label all Christians as bigots. Please do tell.
@@histguy101 anti abortion, anti gay , anti sex before and out of mariage, anti birth control .... Threatening people of torment and hell ....is that enough ? what's hlarious is that Christian spend their time judging others and can't stand to be labelled :D here is a very accurate definition of bigotry, if that could help you, but I'm afraid this is no more possible ... Bigotry : Devotion misguided in an attachment to detail, to the letter, to formal, superstitious practices
My child just went through 6 months of agony being poisoned in order to rid their body of cancer. By the logic of many, it was unloving to allow that. Sometimes love is doing the painful thing to stop worse from taking hold and destroying life. I tell the truth because I know the worst is in store for the deceived. I won’t shut up.
I always tell the 'wrong side of history' crowd that history has two sides, but it was split by the Advent of Jesus Christ. And they're not on His side.
And you are always wrong, since being "on the side" of a person who died 2k years ago has literally zero to do with whether or not you're being a good person in your actual life. If you tell people they can't love someone because of some poorly interpreted bs from Old Testament, you're a bad person and no amount of loving Jesus will change that.
@@squillsify God doesn't care if anyone is a good person, he only cares about thoughtless submission. The bible literally lays it out for them and they still don't get it.
@@squillsify Being on the side of the almighty and perfect God isn't good? What is a good person exactly then? Leaving people alone and approving of everything they do? Just be honest with us and say that you don't believe and therefore would rather decide morality for yourself. "Poorly interpreted bs".. How should it be interpreted? What passage is wrongly interpreted? Again I think you're just flailing accusations because of your unbelief. I will pray for you Sam. Someday, when your atheistic worldview dries up of shallow meaning it might distract you with for now, know that you can always return to Christ. Read the Bible. Repent.
@@socratac "Being on the side of the almighty and perfect God isn't good?" Not until you can demonstrate that; 1. He is perfect, 2. perfect means good, 3. That he exists in the first place. "What is a good person exactly then?" An agent who maximises the wellbeing of the world around them. " therefore would rather decide morality for yourself" Which is what you do too. You choose to follow the morality as the Bible lays out because you believe it to be moral. If the Bible instructed you to murder children, would you do it? "How should it be interpreted?" In concordance with reality. It's claims should be peer-reviewed. "when your atheistic worldview dries up of shallow meaning" Ah yes. Because you have such a monopoly on meaning. "God told me too" is far more rewarding than working for the betterment of those you love, isn't it? "Read the Bible. Repent." The Bible is literally the reason for the majority of atheism. Maybe you should read it.
@@Capybarrrraaaa Sure, I'll bite. "Not until you can demonstrate that; 1. He is perfect, 2. perfect means good, 3. That he exists in the first place." Not quite the simplest questions, but important indeed. 3. Does god exist? This is probably gonna take some personal soul searching on your behalf, but here's how I came to the realization that he does. First I will ask, "Is there a meaning to life? Is there any reason I exist?". Effectively this question is yes or no. If we assume the negative, then everything is random, nothing happens for a reason, we all die in the end and none of it will ever or has ever mattered. Every murder or transgression is effectively 0, same as every good deed. In the grand scheme of things. Some people choose to go down this path, but for me, it is a dead-end. Okay, so let's try to assume the affirmative. Then what does it mean for something to have meaning? I would argue that it would involve some sort of 'deliberation' or 'intent'. A plan of some kind maybe. It would only be logical that if life has meaning, we can assume this meaning comes from the design of some entity. So we call this entity God, essentially. But you're right, unless you have a personal religious experience, I guess you can never really know for sure which path to take. That's were belief comes in I guess.. I believe that life has meaning. From that assumption I can gather that someone or something must have given it meaning somehow, i.e. GOD. Now for 1 and 2, which I feel go hand-in-hand somewhat. The attributes of perfection and goodness, is essentially something that we get from the bible. One could imagine that the creator of the universe simple pushed some sort of button and set everything in motion, but that would essentially leave us with the same conclusion as the path of "everything is random". So as mentioned, the deliberation of the unfolding of time and the universe is something only an omnipotent entity would be capable of. But the concept of Good and Evil is very complex. It's easy to fall for the basic human yearning for comfort as "goodness", but how do we know that be the ultimate goodness? No matter how much fun and happiness you have in your life, there will always be something missing in the end. You will still die. If you lived for those pleasures and based all of your purpose on that being "good" then I think it's quite shortsighted of you. Pursuing that kind of hedonism, in my opinion, is not comparable, to the comfort of knowing and following the will of our creator, and then being received into his presence after we die, to know the meaning of it all. (That last part assume Christianity is right, but if you realize there's a God, and take an honest look at the history of the world and look for places where god might have made contact, then Christianity becomes obvious, IMO. Again, personal soul searching. The resurrection of Jesus Christ would be a good place to start. Mike (the channel we are on), actually has a nice playlist for evidence for the bible.) Long story short, God is essentially the definition of "Good" to us. And we read the Bible in that understanding. "An agent who maximizes the wellbeing of the world around them." I think I addressed this somewhat above, but this is essentially Hedonism. It's not really "wrong", but there is no human who knows what actions will "maximize the wellbeing of the world". We can attempt to ease suffering and make life enjoyable, sure, but humans are imperfect and therefore can't represent what "good" means. Sometimes we might be on the right track, and I think "maximizing wellbeing" is a good start most of the time. I just concede, as a Christian, that God's will is always better and more perfect (because he has the foreknowledge to know every outcome), and therefore wish that his will be done. And I believe that Gods promise of meaning and eternal life, is closer to "Good" than any worldly pleasure I might want in this life. A lot of times atheist get stuck on stories such as the Book of Job and give critiques such as "If God is good, how could he have allowed this to have happened?". To know the answer to that question is to assume to place of God, which is impossible. But that being said, the reason for suffering, I think, is to add weight to the worship of god. If we lived in a world with no suffering, it would produce a kind of hollow praise. If God wanted to, couldn't he just make us his robots and force us to worship him no matter what? Why is it then that we have the option to stray from god? Only God knows, but I think it has something to do with overcoming suffering and living through it, that life is worth it, despite the pain. Most people in the world, for most of history, have been living in absolute misery, more than happiness. Why shouldn't they just have killed themselves? Are they droning on aimlessly to keep reproducing the next generation, because they are evolutionarily inclined to do so? I believe it's because life has meaning and therefore is worth living. And it has meaning because of God. "Which is what you do too. You choose to follow the morality as the Bible lays out because you believe it to be moral. If the Bible instructed you to murder children, would you do it?" That's an unfair proposition. You just asked if the Bible said something you just made up, with absolutely no connection to God, if I would do it. The whole point of the Bible is that it is the inspired word of God. Funnily enough though, God has instructed the murder in a sort of similar way, in the story of Abraham and Isaac. I won't repeat it here, but the point of that story is, that if God commands something, there's a good purpose behind it. In the case of Abraham and Isaac, it would be to test Abraham and therefore bless his seed and in the end that the salvation of mankind one day could come into the world. The theology of that story is really rich. Abraham mentions that God himself will provide a lamb, and then later in the story it is told that a ram is stuck in a thicket, and Abraham uses that for the burnt offering. But why did Abraham mention a lamb then? What did John the Baptist first say when he saw Jesus for the first time? John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." (an outcome not even the Jews could have known. No one but God could have known). I see the connection, and I'm glad that Abraham followed Gods commandment. If he was an atheist we would probably all be damned. "In concordance with reality. It's claims should be peer-reviewed." Well it is. But it was honestly more of a curious point, as "bs interpretation" is probably as vague as you can get. An interesting question might be "How did the Jews know who were prophets or what was the word of God". Well it started with Moses right? He wrote down the ground rules for it. The Jewish people believed him because he literally split the seas and did things only a man of God would be able to do. Can we ever know if that really happened? Well if it was just a big lie, then how come the Jewish tribe followed him for 40 years in the desert after that? It wasn't captured in 4K, I'll give you that, but honestly, what can you expect at this point? This was what, nearly 3000 years ago? And the Jews didn't think they would have to prove it to anyone. Their religion was exclusive they thought, until Jesus came along and confirmed the entire OT. Once again, I'd recommend watching that playlist, but the fact that Jesus confirmed the scriptures is also reaffirming. And if you're thinking Jesus didn't exist or didn't get raised from the dead, then I'd honestly just say, look at the evidence for it again. And honestly. "Ah yes. Because you have such a monopoly on meaning. "God told me too" is far more rewarding than working for the betterment of those you love, isn't it?" I would say this was addressed in the first answer. "The Bible is literally the reason for the majority of atheism. Maybe you should read it." I have read it. I was an atheist before I did. Then I actually gave it a chance. I bet you've just heard people talking about what's in it. But again, personal journey, soul searching yadda yadda. "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear". The actual reason for Atheism, is a mixture of narcissism and ignorance. "I know better than God, therefore he must not exist." or "I need to be able to measure God to think that he exists. I can't, so he doesn't". Anyway, God Bless!
Thank you for putting up this series. It has helped me a lot in finding answers to the questions I've struggled with regarding this topic. God bless you !
If you mention any other sin in this context, people say, "how dare you compare their lifestyle to !" and they completely miss the point that you were making.
Faithful....I know it's difficult when Holy Spirit convicts but you wouldn't feel convicted if God didn't find you Worthy to discipline because of his Love!
@@evanbrandt6877 You know what's more rude? Spreading falsehoods that cause people literal pain and ignorance. You'd never call that out though, right?
You really are so spot on with this This whole series opened my eyes a LOT on how to communicate what I know is right. I wish everyone could watch and agree
I have a niece that is gay and married. I love her and I won't turn my back on her. But she knows what the bible says about being homosexual and it's her decision, I will continue to pray for her always
I have 2 granddaughters that like girls.. I love them dearly. They are young and am praying that God changes their heart. They also know what the Bible says.
@@TheVertigoalley I have noticed that every lesbian I know had a negative emotional experience (such as a breakup) with a male (either boyfriend or father) right before going lesbian. Does that fit with your observations? Does the book you mentioned shed any light on that?
@@viperstriker4728 I read Rachel’s book a few years ago and I don’t remember her interactions with men being negative. She did write a lot about an overwhelming desire to be with another woman. But you are right, most of the lesbians I have known have had conflict with fathers/brothers/ husbands etc.
I used to do a lot of expert witness testimony in court. At first I tried to be convincing and felt unsuccessful when the decision went the wrong way. After a while the Spirit began asking me another question: "Gary, did you tell the truth or did you exaggerate something." Now, I ask myself that question and no longer feel responsible for the outcome. Just tell the truth as best you can. Pastor Mike, I think you understand that. Great teaching, brother.
@@DiggitySlice I am not sure what you mean by that, but I can name a dozen conspiracy theories of the top of my head that turned out to be true. I can also list a dozen that turned out to be hoaxes. How about see stop considering what something is labeled as or who believes/doesn't believe it. Assuming a liar is wrong give him just as much power over you as assuming he is right. The only way to deal with liars is to excluded them from what is being considered.
Mike somewhat skipped over part of one man's question, regarding when people ask why we single out homosexuality and talk about it so much. I would say the answer is multi-faceted. 1. Some people who profess to be Christians really *are* hateful and bigoted, and that's why they talk about homosexuality more than other sins and prop it up as being worse than other sins 2. However, it's worth asking this: do Christians *really* talk about this more than anything else? Or is it just that this is the thing that makes headlines and gets blown up, because it's such a contentious issue? Because I know, as someone who has been a Christian my whole life and gone to many different churches, I actually feel like we very, very rarely see this issue preached on. 3. Perhaps the really we do see Christians talking about this issue a lot is not because it's a worse sin, but because it's so widespread, widely accepted, and damaging. People are making their sexualities their entire identities now, and homosexuality is more accepted now than ever before in history, as far as I can observe. So it makes sense that, like Jesus and the disciples and apostles did, we are going to hone in on the issues that are most relevant in our time. Just as Jesus didn't need to speak to Jews of his time about homosexuality, we don't need to speak to people of our time about, say, rape and murder being wrong. We do, however, need to address the issues where sin is being not only accepted, but praised and glorified. Homosexuality happens to be one of those issues, and it's one that is very deeply ingrained into the way a person views their entire identity, which can be a huge stumbling block for them. Much more so than, say, someone watching pornography, which they recognize is just a behavior. They don't see that as their identity. That's one key difference.
Reading number 4, it's infiltrating the church so deeply that my own Christian family is now pro-LGBT and has completely changed their stance on these issues. That's something I never, in a million years, thought would happen. So yes, this is extremely important to talk about.
It's also funny to me that people act like Christians are the ones obsessed with talking about LGBT stuff. The whole WORLD is obsessed with talking about LGBT stuff! It's shoved in our faces 24/7. I was just telling my husband "I can't wait til pride month is over, so I don't have to see pride commercials 24/7 every time I watch TV." And then I realized that it's July 21st. Pride month has been over for almost an entire month. It's just still being shoved in our faces every second, from every angle. So no, Christians are not the ones who are making this issue the most relevant and prominent issue of our time. I would love nothing more than for this to be something we don't really even need to talk about, because everyone already knows it's wrong. It wasn't brought up much in certain regions of Biblical teaching, because in those regions, they already knew it was wrong and weren't supporting it. So it didn't need to be talked about. As long as people, especially Christians, and excepting, endorsing, and praising LGBT identities, this message from Christian pastors will be relevant and necessary.
I talk about it a lot. Yet I have never introduced the topic without. Either the other person brings it up or it is depicted in someway. So number 3 is correct. Number 1 happens after someone breaks under the pressure of too much of it being pushed on them. I saw an activist one day wearing a shirt that said "times are changing" with rainbow paint being poured on the globe. Kicking a hornets nest isn't a good way to convince people, yet that is what this activist chose to do. It's very unfortunate, but I have seen first hand the reaction to them turn to hate where none existed before the activists arrived.
Someone told me "only God can judge". I told them your right. And his judgment was the wages of sin is death. The question now is are you going to accept the payment Christ paid on your behalf so you can be set free, or is that going to remain on you keeping you in captivity?
That is a complicated beautiful thing to wrap ones mind and heart around. I pray that I can accept that gift of salvation. What's hard is that I'm still sinning in thought and deed and I feel so filthy, most unholy and very unworthy of salvation and fellowship with the Christian body. I pray for deliverance from myself often but I keep getting in my way enough that I end up doubting my salvation, pray for my deliverance.
@@krustysurfer I understand doubting ones salvation. The only thing I can tell you (and myself in those moments) is have a very firm understanding of your salvation. That you did nothing to earn it. It does not depend on you one little bit. And that's the best news and hope we can ever have in these moments. There is a lot of voices in the wind that try and tell us we can lose our salvation or that we were never truly saved. And I would ask one question...what is the helmet of salvation? It's part of our spiritual armor. meaning we are in a war. If Satan can get us to doubt our salvation he can have a field day with us. Obviously this does not mean we don't keep fighting the battles. Some are longer and harder than others. Much love to you.
@@thehonestchristian492 the voices the doubt comes from what I feel what I experience the awareness of my sin it makes me doubt that I'm even saved. I know that my salvation the only part of it that I have to do with it is me acknowledging that I'm a sinner and asking God to have mercy on me as a sinner and pleading the blood of Jesus upon my sins and my very sinful nature. The doubt is the effect of sin upon my life, I know others have sinned more than me and I know others have sinned less than me sin is not comparison or a comparison to other people other sinners but my standard is Jesus God pure holiness and when I compare myself to that standard I fall miserably short and have no comfort in my walk as a supposed Christian I feel like a counterfeit a fake a wannabe in my walk I definitely feel the filthy rags that I wear my sin nature is very strong and I do not resist temptation very well I've been very good at being bad throughout my life I know Jesus is the only answer to my dilemma and that God has mercy upon me has mercy upon my soul on my rebellious prideful arrogant sinful soul. I know that me getting into heaven will have nothing to do with how I lived my life accomplishments or lack thereof only by God's grace will I enter into heaven I suppose I will be in the least of these lot and as Mike has said I would like to hear well done good and faithful servant instead of I never knew you and be spat out of his mouth into eternal darkness that is my greatest fear and I guess that I'm not the only one who goes through this internal tribulation. God bless you keep you and guide you.
As a Christian whose done a lot of research on this I agree with almost everything you said but will point out some important extraneous variables. When talking about if homosexuality is genetic you should note that a huge percentage of gays were sexually abused as kids and most came from broken homes. This adds some ambiguity on gays being more likely to molest their own kids because are we seeing homosexuality make someone more likely to molest their kids or are we seeing being molested being more likely to make you gay and a molester (and probably an addict at well)? Suppose mom and dad have a son and daughter, get divorced, the mom takes the girl and dad takes the son: if mom has 3 boyfriends in the next year and dad has 30 boyfriends even if being gay doesn't make any individual more likely to molest a child it is far more likely that the son will be molested than the daughter. Simply asking kids raised by gay parents if a parental figure molested them also doesn't account if the dad molested the daughter and the mom left, took the girl, and hooked up with another woman. Comparing kids raised by gays to kids raised by straights isn't completely fair because 95% of kids raised by gays have gone through a divorce while most kids raised by married straight couples are haven't and we know that divorce is likely to make kids depressed/ suicidal/ abuse substances etc. A fairer comparison would be kids whose parents got divorced and remarried either hectro or homosexually. So far there's no evidence for a gay gene but suppose there is. There's a lot of genes that can be dormant and activated by drug use like genes for paranoia that get activated by pot, so what if drug use activates the gay gene. That might also explain why gays are more likely to be addicts because it could be that addicts are more likely to be gay. Having far higher rates of STD's could well be a cause for depression/ suicide. Overall you can absolutely prove that gays and kids raised by gays have far higher problems in all the areas of life the pastor mentioned and far more. You can rule out 'homophobia' as being the main factor for gay community dysfunction since it doesn't change much if you compare America to Denmark which was the first country to legalize same-sex marriage about 30 years ago. If however, Someone who was desperate to justify homosexuality could sanely argue that being molested makes you do drugs which makes you promiscuous which causes STDs which causes depression/ suicide in either straight or gay couples and homosexuality is a harmless byproduct being dragged along for the ride. I wouldn't consider this wise but I wouldn't be able to disprove that with the studies I've seen so far. Also, the idea of classifying relationships as straight or gay is misleading since the Biblical approach is that men and women think/ act differently therefore two women living together would be very different than two men living together which is exactly the case if you can find research that thought to separate the categories.
Concerning breast cancer for lesbian women, I had read that there are certain things that get released in the body when a woman lactates during pregnancy, and if those don't get released it increases the likelihood of breast cancer.
At 50:00 Mike talked about the different treatments society can give things. It was completely true. Before the Obergefell decision by the US Supreme Anarchists homosexual "marriage" was left alone. It was the middle thing on that spectrum. People are spreading an inaccurate description when they say Obergefell "legalized" homosexual marriage. 2 people of the same sex could have had a big public ceremony and call each other husband and husband or wife and wife (which would have been grammatically inaccurate) and been at zero risk of any punishment.
@Mike Winger could you please share a document that has all the facts/stats you shared? If you have an updated one as well that would be awesome! I would LOVE to create an INFOGRAPHIC so that this information could be shared across social Media Easily as well... I wish I saw this video before their Gay Pride Month. Thanks, Mike :)
2.5y after this video came out, all I see are the blind men reaching for the door in the comment section. Mike, you did a great job with this series and you shepherded Jesus Christ's flock Ὁμολογέω to His nomia. Thank you!
Mike, I’d love to have links to these statistics so I can post them on social media and get the word out. Can you provide them? Great video btw. I love that you’re addressing and defending the “hard”biblical issues. God bless you!❤️
Wow, I feel so blessed to have come across your teaching. This was not only informative but spoken in a loving way. Thank you, I look forward to watching all your content 😊 p.s. the farm boy look works for you haha
Maybe you should listen closer. He's being very deceptive about it, and I very much wouldn't call it loving. Look at his "secular" arguments for example, and now try to apply them to heterosexuality. It's massively hypocritical, and then one must question his motivation to make such hypocritical perspectives. Try not to mistake deception for a loving character. Those who mean harm aren't always so obvious about it.
It took a lot of arguments and tears and figuring out the relationship for me to take a stand against my daughter's lesbianism and have her finally admit that she knows I do love her after all. Don't back down, but show your love while standing for truth!
I'm struggling with a similar thing right now, with family who are Christian deciding to accept LGBT identities and no longer believing that the Bible says they are sinful. And a few of them identify as LGBT themsleves. It's very dishesrtening. I'm coming back to these videos and wishing they would watch them, too, so they can see this issue clearly. I've sent the videos to them, but I don't know if they will watch.
@@CassTeaElle all we can do is keep praying for our family and ask God to make their hearts tender toward the truth as the Holy Spirit speaks to them. I'm just trying to model a loving non judgmental heart while at the same time I've already made it clear where I stand. I sympathize with my daughter's feelings in her relationships because those are very real to her. I used to think she would hate me if she ever gets married and I don't attend. Now, I think she would be surprised if I did. Consistency is important.
Speaking on Galileo, I believe Pastor Mike's interpretation was incorrect at 44:30 . A whole host of people and books got in trouble with the Church for promoting heliocentrism, Galileo and his heliocentric books included. The Church (Catholic, in this case) has indeed done some horrible things in the name of defending doctrine. If I am incorrect about Galileo and the Church, however, please refer me to some credible references so I may learn more. This inconsistency made me start questioning some of the other defenses, but I've found conflicting opinions in research. However, on the whole, I have found this series well thought out and carefully assembled. At the least, the pastor's thoughts are good food for thought and describe how to love with boundaries of Biblical right and wrong IMO.
Thank you Mike for your videos and for the research! I really enjoyed this series and your other content - good presentation & arguments, and I really appreciate your humour! Thank you God in the name of Jesus Christ for creating Mike 😇
@@deadchannel89 I honestly can't say I can support any of his arguments. I don't think I've found one yet, which, after fact-checking or basic logic, has held up. I'm not going to make any comment on his biblical analysis, it's not my place to say whatever there, but any time he talks about anything "secular", he's just objectively incorrect. His arguments fall apart easily, for example; 'gays have an increased rate of STDs' He tries to paint that as a downside of the "gay lifestyle", when it's absolutely not inherent to being gay. Rather, because society refuses decent sex-ed (especially around gay topics). Amonst other issues.
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It’s so hard to raise teenagers right now. My beautiful daughter....I can only say Jesus raised her since he was so busy while she was growing up saving me and I was out of the game. And I look back and see how little I did and wonder how she turned out so kind, so sweet, never needing much discipline because she loves so fiercely that she obeys her lousy mom with a smile even when I know she’s annoyed. I just love her so much. I might not know how to raise her right but I just know I love her. And now I can see her standing in this storm. Invisible arrows she can’t see are like a black cloud in the sky over her head. Voices are shouting mistruth at her to twist her mind. Temptation is dangling around her head everywhere and I just want to grab her and pull her into our refuge, our home, and lock the doors. Every time I think this Jesus says no. And I cry. But when I dry my tears and watch calmly I can see him do his thing. What’s my job, I’m still not sure, still waiting for all the answers but so far I know my job is to hold her when she cries and be gentle and soft the way Jesus is with me. And when the world tries to convince this little girl that was boy crazy at six that she’s really a lesbian ...every time I’ve went to step in front of her and defend, Christ has held me back with a muzzle. So I pray and watch and wait....it’s agonizing. My desire for an instant fix is like overwhelming. But can I fix her? Am I capable? Only Jesus. And since I know he raised her up more than I ever did, should I really worry? After all he knows her and has her there is no doubt. Sometimes Jesus calls us to stay out of the way.
There are different types of love. In the Old and New Testaments the writers reflected this by using different words for the various types. These are examples from the New Testament original Greek: Agape - Godly love, charity, dear, love, love feast Agapao - Social, neighborly love in a moral sense Eros - Love, as between a husband and wife in the physical sense Philadelphia - Brotherly love, love of the brethren Phileo - Love as a friend or be fond of Thelo or ethelo - Wish for, prefer, delight in or desire (There are more, but these are some of the best examples I found.)
The Lord said, "If you love me you will obey my commandments". This directly leads to the conclusion that anything which is the opposite of obedience to the Lord would have to be considered hatred. In other words, all acts that oppose the Lord's commandments show hatred for the Giver of those commandments. Another thing I would like to add are the following verses: Proverbs 23:7a For as he THINKETH IN HIS HEART so is he...." (Yes, this is speaking of an evil rich man, but applies to all of mankind.) Matthew 5:27&28 (27) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: (28) But I say unto you, That whosoever LOOKETH on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already IN HIS HEART.
Yes you do! No I don't... Yes you do! Too funny- good belly chuckle there 😂😉😂 You made a lot of bold comments and I really respect you for that. Thank you.
These are fantastic. Thank you for your indepth address of this topic from every angle. It was needed this week greatly. Thank you for being faithful in this and fair. Highly recommend and I will be sharing these with family and friends.
Ive been confused as a kid why i wasn't as big as the other guys. i had low confidence, i was a mommy's boy! But by the grace of God i decided to be what i am at birth a MAN and realize feelings mental-emotional things that really at the root is a spirit of confusion and heartbreak caused me to think i needed love from homoerotic porn, but its effects were devastating. I liked God's beautiful another half of us, girls in my childhood so that's the way it gotta be. And also I love LGBTQ peple for who they are most of them arent even aware of any other love pr acceptance from not the world but christ!, love the sin, not the sinner? Apostle Paul, a true messenger for christ said it best, and not to *hate* them but understand, love and wait patiently, "For although they know God.. that since the beginning of creation that Gods invisible qualities have been made known in nature and spirit, but decided to worhsip the created instaed of the creator. ..Therfeore God gave them up in the lusts of their heart impurities to the dishonoring of their body among themselves.(remember God cant curse but he can stop curses of universal battles of his creation), , Men sleeping with men and lusting in their desire for one another, like wise women sleeping with women...and receiving in themselves the due penalty of error"--> Romans 1 22
I think Mike is uncompromising, and makes moral reasons, as well as health concerns, not to engage in this behavior, it's really bad for gays themselves, as well as society
yeah, those statistics were taken from a poorly misrepresented publishing in 1997 that surveyed about 200+ gay men who were in some way part of the sex work/prostitution industry. most homosexuals have like, around 10 partners throughout their life, and as gay monogomous relationships become more widely accepted i'm willing to bet those numbers will continue to decrease.
It's not that high, but it still is way higher than within heterosexuals. Same sex relationships also are way more unstable, last shorter and are more likely to involve cheating or adultery than heterosexual relationships.
There used to be something doctors called "Gay bowel syndrome." Comprised a variety of bowel and anal issues associated with repeated an@l sex. The term became "un pc" and is no longer used although doctors know very well what a lifetime of indulging in that causes.
"God's consent is what matters"... Truthful simple and profound, it's not easy to live up to that standard, thank God for Jesus blood shed on the cross and the only way that I'm getting into heaven is by that grace afforded me even though I'm most undeserving... Oh what a wretch I am! Only Jesus can save me from myself.
30:30 personally I think in purely *secular* arguments its easier to have a moral relativist frame of reference for that conversation. But, as soon as you bring God into it (and you should, its kind of important) then objective morality is based around God and His teachings.
The way I look at it, morality is encoded into reality. God didn't tell us to do stuff for no reason. He is the creator, He knows how it's designed to work. Just like if you buy a tool and use it incorrectly, the results will be less then optimal. Even I see something in the Bible i have started to ask the question of why God might have said this. Of course God doesn't have to have a reason, but it's amazing how often I have seen one. And highlights ideas our culture has lost all together. Like how gender roles actually worked before feminism slandered them with the worst examples in history.
@@Capybarrrraaaa no, you aren’t, else you wouldn’t be so hostile in your comments callously calling people ‘morons’ and accusing them of being wholly evil. That’s not the behavior of someone acting in good faith looking merely for greater understanding of others’ opinions. You have an axe to grind, that much is clear. A word of advice though: try not to harbor all of this hatred and frustration for people you don’t even know on the internet. It’s not very conducive to your mental wellbeing.
@@thinkwithurdipstick "callously calling people ‘morons’" If people want to take offence, that's up to them. If they can handle demonising gay people and threatening them with eternal torture, then they can handle myself expressing discontent. "accusing them of being wholly evil" I never mean that. I might have said their idea is wholly evil, or that they were evil in the context given. "That’s not the behavior of someone acting in good faith" In your opinion. "try not to harbor all of this hatred and frustration " That's an assumption that I do. I don't. People need to be told if they're deplorable. It's hilarious that people can threaten others then play the victim when they're called out for it. I really like that you think you understand my intentions better than I do. Funny.
I have a question, and hopefully someone can tell me if anyone sees this comment, but I was wondering, on the statistics of molestation and abuse of children in same sex homes/same sex parents, are those numbers made higher from actually growing up in those homes? Or altogether higher before and after being adopted and placed? Because I know that lots of children who suffered abuse were taken out of abusive homes and then put into foster homes or adopted by same sex couples. So it’s possible that the stats are higher because the children in same sex homes have already suffered the abuse. Right?
It sounded like the study didn't measure that. So I believe your correct that the number would be higher do adoption since we are dealing with percentages. Unfortunately it isn't a topic your allowed to study so good luck finding better numbers. A point to note is that most homosexuals are exposed to sexual behavior much younger then heterosexuals. Many times this comes in the form of abuse. Those that are abused as children are far more likely to repeat the behavior as adults. So I would expect a higher rate from that alone, but we need better data rather then assumptions.
Hope you don't mind my repeated commenting, Mike! Re: the legalisation of paedophilia, I believe that, back in the late 2000s, research/literature was published to argue for children's *"right"* to sex 🥺 .. I believe it was underpinned or closely followed by testimonies from people who claimed that experiencing sexual advances and activity from and with adults, when they were children: was a positive thing for them. 💔😥💔
Commenting 2 years after you.... it's bad. I have seen so much prepping the narratives for getting kids in on it and less televises stuff already doing it. Mike was certainly naive when he thought this wasn't the first place they would go.
I followed you through all the parts, but when you start discussing science and statistics, it’s important to document your sources. In addition, a key point to remember in scientific studies is that correlation does not imply causation. However, from a biblical perspective, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I agree with what you say about dealing with our own issues so we can humbly and lovingly help others deal with theirs. However, I don't know the original Greek, but I've always taken the verse about "judge not" to mean don't *criticise*, which is entirely different to giving constructive, honest and humble feedback/opinion. 🤷♀️
I will have to tie this in with the first seven minutes of this video of the things that are not permissible in the bedroom as opposed to in public. Molestation of minors often occurs in the bedroom… and, all too often, perpetrated by someone in the very same family of the minor. But it is in no way acceptable within, nor without, the bedroom. I have personally known a number of minors that this pertains to, and I can guarantee you, that it has tarnished their lives: both as minors, and as adults. This often causes it to be a major stumbling block to successful relationships, marriages, and often… Their own family life with their own children.
Cervical cancer is higher in heterosexual women. Uterine cancer is higher in single/nonsexually active women (and possibly lesbians). Squamous cell cancer of the anus is much higher in gay men, which is not widely known, or screened for.
Another risk factor for lesbians and breast cancer is in addition to not breastfeeding children they are more likely to be obese, obesity is another risk factor.
I can tell you're trying to say something awful about gay people here, but your syntax is so bad that it's not clear if you're a bot or just really bad at English.
Why do you think that simple tokens of affection are wrong? What about David and Jonathon who were masculine hetroseexuls? Would you call their expression of devotion and pure love gay???? I think not
There was actually a case several years ago where a man (I want to say in Germany) was charged with murder and cannibalism after he killed and ate his partner. I kid you not, the defense he tried to use was that the guy he killed and ate consented to it. Needless to say, that didn't work. As it turns out, both people being consenting adults *doesn't* excuse terrible behavior.
great video pastor. it is sad to see to people who are deceived into thinking this is what is going to make them happy, free them, and that it’s the only choice they have anyways.
I just love your simplicity! Theres no questioning, theres no second guessing... youre just like "it says whhhaatt!? Yeah thats a no no for me..." lol. Ive been reading my KJV a lot lately and Im trying to get that faith of simplicity. I dont have problems with this sin but others such as cussing and such I do. Its a "no no" for me! lol :)
Re: the breast cancer issue, 1 factor that reduces risks of breast cancer is extended breastfeeding. It's not a guarantee, but it reduces the risk. Women who don't have children don't breastfeed, so their risk factor in that realm is slightly increased.
Deborah Ruth Trotter I didn’t breastfeed my kids for a minute of their life. I can not handle the sensation to the point of tears and breakdown. OBVIOUSLY if I were in a position of not being able to afford formula for each child I would deal with it because I love my kids more than I hate sensory issues. Just throwing that out there. I hope I never have to hear those horrible words come out of a doctor’s mouth toward me. But unless I had solid (and i mean S O L I D) evidence it was specifically from choosing to not breastfeed I would never assume that. Please don’t blame cancers on peoples actions unless it’s absolutely verified (ie smoking and having lung, mouth, esophaguses...). That is so sad.
@@cathyhamlin3611 That's too bad because breastfeeding is WAAAAAY better for the baby than formula could ever be and it reduces a woman's risk of breast cancer the longer it's done. It's also good for the bonding process and it would be a shame for someone to let herself (and her baby) be robbed of that because SOME (not all) women struggle with it at times. Also, it doesn't always hurt. Everyone has different situations and you have to look at your own individual situation and get special help if you have trouble with it, but decide it's best for the baby.
@@cathyhamlin3611 with my first baby it didn't hurt at all!!! With my next, it did but it was because of a tongue tie. After getting it revised, the problem was solved. Just want to throw that out there. It's worth trying if you choose to have kids one day! There is a certain amount of months that after which your likelihood of breast cancer goes down, which is super cool. Not a guarantee, though! And nobody should ever feel guilty for cancer because they didn't breastfeed. There are so many factors involved.
Actually, saying nobody believed the earth was flat at the time of Columbus isn't entirely accurate. The Muslims did. Muhammed taught the earth was a dome.
Deborah Ruth Trotter here is a good sermon on the flat earth thing from the only pastor I know who will publicly admit and teach that the bible portrays the earth as flat, immovable and with a dome above... th-cam.com/video/JEN9NW6qjCw/w-d-xo.html
@Jason Vanengelenhoven Good for you -- you posted a great link. And as much as I love most of what Pastor Mike said, no one should be defending Christianity on the grounds that it agrees with modern "science." Evolution being a case in point, if you don't want to venture as far as cosmology.
You think it's great research but you don't know where you got it from. I don't think you understand what you're saying there; "This agrees with what I previously believed, therefore it's good". Great research is concordant with reality, he's trying to misuse it to prove a point that it doesn't support.
14:25 Discernment
27:24 Two consenting adults
33:48 You're the reason
40:31 You justify violence
42:27 You're on the wrong
46:26 Telling same-sex couples they can't get married is the same as
51:20 PAIN
1:03:53 No children
Failure of the sphincter muscle
In 75% of syphilis cases
Thank you !!!!
I can't believe I found this Pastor! I am coming out of Catholicism and its more difficult than ppl realize! Plse pray for me!
K M God bless! My mom was raised Catholic and we have bible study together and she still has things that she has to get over and its been 40 years for her.
I pray you're still strong. Let Jesus help you through your walk. Every step of the way. - From the daughter of Bryan
Hi KM watch his other videos and other guys like Soulrefuge who came out of Catholicism
Read the Holy Bible. The word of the Lord Jesus Christ will set you free.
Keep passing along. We sow the seed, the Holy Spirit waters. Throw out those seeds my friend.
I have been so blessed by this series, have helped me a lot to "think biblically" about the issues of homosexuality.
Same❤️🙏
Both of my siblings are gay. I can’t do anything but pray. Thank God I can. They don’t care about truth and it’s so hard to talk to them about it. Advice very much appreciated.
Well, I actually managed to get through all four parts in one afternoon. Thanks for tackling this issue. Lots of information to process. All I can say is that I have been on both sides and it is better to be out of the gay lifestyle than in it, and better to have a relationship with Jesus than not. And I am kind of grateful that when I got saved, no one was trying to explain that the two are compatible.
@@PsychoBible Thank you!
Simon Botte when you have no argument against pastor mikes stats so you revert to ad hominems
@Simon Botte You're a commie leftist w/ no values or morals, so a lesson on biblical morals w/ some leftie labels thrown in isn't working bud.
Simon you are so loudly against this ministry so something is convicting.....listen to it! I would never commit violence against anyone I disagree with! But I have been threatened twice by 2 people I calmly disagreed with!
@Simon Botte your statement makes no sense. It is sin, it's also unnatural, it's dangerous, unhealthy, it's filthy and it makes no sense logically. A sin is sin, but at the very least the heterosexual immorality is natural human state. Will you come be beastiality? Think a minute
Brave, Mike, taking this stance against evil in the cultural tide and defending the truth. God bless you, and the Holy Spirit continue to strengthen you in your ministry.
If he was defending the truth, why would he make such terrible arguments? Surely, "the truth" has more to it than that?
@@Capybarrrraaaa why? Explain where he was wrong
@@Axisearth Jeez, this is old. Been a while; you'll have to give a point and I'll deal with it individually.
I'll start from what I remember, roughly;
He tried to draw a broken link between homosexuality and an increased rate of observed (and very real) negatives. The issue was that he wasn't drawing an necessary link that demonstrated that homosexuality was the cause, nor that opposing it would have even decreased those things in any meaningful or healthy way.
When dealing with things like homosexual depression, a good place to start is to deal with the families that ostracise them with hypocrisy. That's but one cause, not homosexuality its self. Same thing with increased substance-abuse; it's no wonder why the abused turn to coping mechanisms, this isn't even a 'homosexual' thing, it's a wide-spread human reaction.
Ironically, or, perhaps, wilfully and intentionally, this video series is, directly, contributing to the problems that it blames homosexuality for. It is the problem.
It would have been like saying 'we should ban cars because car-crashes happen' or 'we should ban food because people choke'. Senseless. This stuff is, incredibly, remedial, to the point where I don't believe that he's, honestly, acting in good-faith.
You ought to be able to break-down his points with but a few hours of research into argumentation and logical reasoning.
@@Capybarrrraaaa I can understand some of your points. I am a therapist and 8 out of 10 women I counsel have PTSD because their fathers raped them. I almost hate getting a new referral for a woman because sexual molestation from heterosexual men is off the charts. I have never ever counseled a woman or man who was sexually abused by same sex parent in all my 20 years as a therapist. But ultimately I do believe in the numbers regarding the amount of sexual partners many gay men have and you could use the argument that they are depressed and act out because their relationships are not recognized as valid. But that still does not make it not sinful. People who chose to deliberately live in sin suffer it's consequences. 100%
@@Axisearth I'm very glad that you hold such a noble position, props.
I wouldn't even describe it as 'acting out'. There's nothing, morally, wrong with having multiple partners. Of course, that carries physical health risks, but so does eating food, in the same way. There are healthy and unhealthy ways to go about promiscuity.
Whether it is sinful or not is a different question, which I'll address at the end. That's irrelevant to the fact that the claims of the video are incorrect, despite the accurate data. It is not the homosexuality that produces promiscuity, and I can say that from first-hand experience; I'm a gay man who's uncomfortable with (myself partaking in, specifically) polyamory. I, only, want a monogamous relationship and nothing about my homosexuality speaks for or against that. The reasons for these, agreeably bad things, evidently, lays outside of 'gayness'. They cannot be addressed by criminalising gay people.
As for 'sin'. You won't find a valid reason to appeal to the Bible for anything like that. I'm sorry to say, but there is no reason to look towards it, and any reason you can think of will be, equally, applicable to countless other, mutually-exclusive, religions. Ones which, no doubt, you deny the 'realness' of. You must accept them all or drop the reason, lest you hold hypocrisy a virtue.
Even outside of that, 'living in the consequences of sin' isn't even the problem for gay folk. Like I said; the problems can be, demonstrably, shown and explained to be caused by others acting unto them. Especially caused by the religious. One would think that god would make the consequences more direct than being setup by frivolous, countless, contradictory belief systems, no?
Does that not strike you as odd that the issues of these, supposed, 'problems' are, themselves, caused by the religious and not by the, so-called, sin itself? One would expect homoerotic thoughts and masturbation to cause the issues, directly, if they were sin, no? One would, also, expect the 'sin' to break-through any protective measures, condoms and the like.
To, really, draw this reasoning out; does god not consider homosexual intercourse sinful when adequate hygiene and protection is practiced? The safety, then, sky-rockets to 'heterosexual monogamy' levels, after all. Even from the Christian perspective, it doesn't seem like god takes an issue with homosexuality. He doesn't extend those, supposed, consequences to safe gay sex, at least.
You'd have to, either, accept that god has no issue with homosexual intercourse when practiced safely, or that he's weaker than some thin polyurethane.
I hope you can see-through these glaring holes with modern Christianity. Its own logic muddles itself. If you, honestly, think "People who chose to deliberately live in sin suffer it's consequences. ", you, really, have to question why my boyfriend and I aren't seeing these 'consequences'.
@ Mike Winger, instead of comparing homosexuality with incest, I would compare it to adultery. It use to be illegal now isn't. It is between 2 consenting adults. Yet people can get hurt in the process. No one says you are an adultraphobe and are more than happy to judge.
I am divorced. I acknowledge it is a sin and is not what I wanted but it is legal. I am very looked down on because of it and have had to analyze a lot of mistakes and repent (I am not an innocent victim). We live in a sinful world and are all sinners. Praise God for the blood of Jesus that washes us white as snow.
Well said....I'm in the same situation so I understand.
I hope you’re doing better after this. I praise you for repenting I’m the areas you needed to. That’s very hard to do
I agree with the adults analogy
Kendra, Divorce is unfortunate but is not a sin - remarriage is the sin
Kendra you're not a sinner.
You're a prisoner.
The Bible compare it to bestiality
”You rob banks? Yeah, but you don’t understand... I loooooove to rob banks” 😂😂
It’s “who I am.”
"you believe in imaginary friends? yeah, but you dont understand my imaginary friend looooooooves me"
@@lostphilosophy4600
Love is imaginary.
@@keithwilson6060 oh so you dont buy the "loving" god motiff either then? well on that we can agree at least. but love isnt imaginary, even if i grant you the idea that love is just a construct of society and chemical reactions in the brain, those chemical reactions Do exist. at best you could say love is misunderstood or represented, it isnt imaginary though.
Lol
This whole series is such a blessing to the kingdom. Praise be to God for using the Holy Spirit to speak through pastor Mike on this topic.
It's been an honest and well balanced series. Thanks for taking on the difficult subject. I really needed it
Amazing video! Commenting to boost the algorithm
Same
What intrigued me was that the pastor had to explain extremely basic and fundamental concepts as if he were talking to children. I think a lot of times even grown adults need to be talked to like children because people just won't listen.
"Is it ok to blaspheme God if two consenting adults do it?" I wad a bit shocked when I heard that; thinking to myself that some people need to be taught this way.
When Emotional manipulation is used, all rational and intellectual reasoning is bypassed.And when it is constantly reinforced in today ungodly world it takes the most simple explanation to expose the stupidity of this idea.
He IS talking to children dude. This is a youth camp or something....
All of this comes down to people rejecting family for their own selfishness, so yeah, our culture is childish to some extent.
My favourite argument against sexual identity bondage is the requirements of following Jesus. Jesus said "if anyone desires to come after me, let him first deny himself, then take up his cross and follow me". The first requirement is deny yourself. In sexual identity bondage it is the exact opposite of that. It is to embrace the self, to make that the core of your identity and to act according to it's desires. As Christians, our identity is in Christ, we deny ourselves, die to the self and don't act according to our fleshly desires. It is the power of Christ to not live according to the flesh and it's desires. How can there be salvation without repentance? The message of Christs herald John was "repent and be baptized". Christ came and said, "repent and believe". Jesus clearly taught that sin and destruction were connected. He said "in the same way, you too will die if you don't repent".
Apparently self consciousness and depression are indistinguishable in the human brain. They measure the same and have the same effects to the brain. So it turns out denying yourself is actually a good way to ward off depression. And it's not a coincidence that people that talk about their identity have such how rates of depression.
Reminds me of another verse. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for me sake will find it.
I've watched this video three times, and have gathered your facts and double checked them in response to Gay Pride day. Thank you so much.
God bless Pr Mike and your Ministry. A lot of false teachings continue to overflow the churches and to hear an loving but honest analysis is really what all of us need...
Dear Pastor Winger - please continue to shine the light into darkness. I have recently come across this series and wanted to give a shout out to all those who come across this series to pass it on to the confused people you know. Truth truly sets us free. Only those who have been born again and receive the gospel of righteousness, repent of their sin, and turn to follow Christ's example are able to embrace and know true freedom. Praise Him for He deserves all praise and glory! God is good, and we need to tremble before Him - for no one is good except Him. All He asks is that we turn from our sin and seek His forgiveness. Is that too much to ask for redemption, reconciliation and eventual restoration to perfection? Every person alive today is broken and in need of a Savior.
Hi Mike, thanks very much for your teaching, it's very informative and hugely enlightening. Just a couple of things, breast cancer is not high in the Lesbian community because of Lesbianism. It is high because women that haven't had children are more likely to get breast cancer than women that have had children and breast fed. And in contrast, women that have had children are more likely to get cervical cancer than women that have not had children. Lesbians are also in a very low risk category with regards to cervical cancer and this is because they do not engage in heterosexual intercourse.
I've heard that also about breast cancer, wonder if it's true as well
for single hetetosexual women
also who haven't had children, I
suspect it's true as well
@@cathyhamlin3611 since it is solely based on childrearing or not (based on breast feeding specifically) sexuality is irrelevant to the data (and some lesbians are mothers via sperm donors)
Mike God bless your life! The love you have for others and to point them to Jesus through dealing with cultural topics is just beautiful. Such compassion and truth. A fresh anointing of grace for you I pray🙏🏾
What a honest thoughtful study!! So easy to see this mans calling and heart!! Thank you for doing the uncomfortable!
The data is staggering and heart breaking -
You can’t walkout the house without seeing this stuff .
the promotion of the lies ruin lives.
Thank you Mike for the overwhelming data on this subject .
Wow, so many hate comments. It’s ironic how the liberals who preach love and acceptance are so quick to pounce on Christians for standing by their Biblical beliefs. Mike, I truly enjoyed this series and I thank you for sticking to biblical teaching.
Have your religious beliefs, fine. Just don't expect them to be enshrined in law - that's where our problem is.
Your freedom to swing your arm ends at my nose.
@Simon Botte Good grief, man. Please point to where in the video that the subject devolves into politics, or polemics, or engages in what you're doing.
KKK? White Supremacists?
Simon.....are u aware that kkk began with Democrats? Also Democrats wanted and fought for segregation? Are you aware that anti-fa is a growing violent liberal group that attacks conservatives and calls them White Supremicists to shut them down? SHAME you are a racist!
Simon Botte I am anti-gun, pro-affirmative action, anti/discrimination, who believes that all people should have health care, and that homosexuals should not be discriminated against or hated, but believe that practicing homosexuality is sin and an abomination to God. So those of us that believe in the biblical stance on homosexuality are not the same on other issues. You are being judgmental and prejudiced yourself.
@Simon Botte Christ didn't say anything about rape or incest, but that doesn't mean those things are ok now does it? And I do not support unlimited marriages either. In fact, I think *ALL* sexual sins are an abomination. That includes sex outside of marriage, and even indoctrinating children with Disney princess movies about "love", or indoctrinating them by having the TV on when commercials about Kay Jewelry stores come on. Thankfully, I don't let my life revolve around any individual persons anymore...
Thank you so much for this series and all other videos you made about the hard topics. I’ve only been introduced to Chrisianity since I met my husband 7 years ago. I still have many arguments and prejudices against Christianity and every time I watch a video of yours, the argument/prejudice falls away. Keep up the good work! Greetings from the Netherlands
The word "Bigot" is now just a buzzword, and almost exclusively misused. It hasn't even been redefined, but has been rendered meaningless.
Whenever someone says "_____ are bigots" insert Christians, or any large general group, that is in itself a very bigoted statement. "Hate" has likewise become a buzzword, and a misnomer. Many in the media; all types of media, online information sources, etc, have always done this, but it certainly feels like it's reached a fever pitch.
"Whenever someone says "___ are bigots" insert Christians, or any large general group, that is in itself a very bigoted statement."
It isn't. To claim that you're a Christian without pointing out any beliefes that you disagree with, despite being in the bible, would default you to fundimentalism. If you identify as Christian, my assumption, as it should be, is that you agree with the bible.
The bible contains hateful things. The bible orders that you be prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. Therefore, Christian (as an unmodified noun) is a bigoted person by default. When you clarify your position to disagree with the hatred in the bible, you might then become less of a bigot.
A true Christian is a bigot, deviating from Christianity may make you not one. You may feel that it's a "buzzword", but it's the definitions that matter.
I absolutely love how people spreading hate as you are , can't stand the slicest discomfort .... it's just a little drop of your medecine ? tastes bitter maybe ?
@@madworld. explain yourself. What "hate" have I spread?
@@Capybarrrraaaa Give some examples of Christian beliefs that make them bigots, or that give you the right to label all Christians as bigots. Please do tell.
@@histguy101 anti abortion, anti gay , anti sex before and out of mariage, anti birth control .... Threatening people of torment and hell ....is that enough ?
what's hlarious is that Christian spend their time judging others and can't stand to be labelled :D
here is a very accurate definition of bigotry, if that could help you, but I'm afraid this is no more possible ...
Bigotry : Devotion misguided in an attachment to detail, to the letter, to formal, superstitious practices
My child just went through 6 months of agony being poisoned in order to rid their body of cancer. By the logic of many, it was unloving to allow that. Sometimes love is doing the painful thing to stop worse from taking hold and destroying life. I tell the truth because I know the worst is in store for the deceived. I won’t shut up.
As a fellow mother, my heart goes out to you for having to go through that. Blessings to you and health to your child! 💛
I always tell the 'wrong side of history' crowd that history has two sides, but it was split by the Advent of Jesus Christ. And they're not on His side.
And you are always wrong, since being "on the side" of a person who died 2k years ago has literally zero to do with whether or not you're being a good person in your actual life. If you tell people they can't love someone because of some poorly interpreted bs from Old Testament, you're a bad person and no amount of loving Jesus will change that.
@@squillsify God doesn't care if anyone is a good person, he only cares about thoughtless submission. The bible literally lays it out for them and they still don't get it.
@@squillsify Being on the side of the almighty and perfect God isn't good? What is a good person exactly then? Leaving people alone and approving of everything they do? Just be honest with us and say that you don't believe and therefore would rather decide morality for yourself.
"Poorly interpreted bs".. How should it be interpreted? What passage is wrongly interpreted? Again I think you're just flailing accusations because of your unbelief.
I will pray for you Sam. Someday, when your atheistic worldview dries up of shallow meaning it might distract you with for now, know that you can always return to Christ.
Read the Bible. Repent.
@@socratac "Being on the side of the almighty and perfect God isn't good?"
Not until you can demonstrate that; 1. He is perfect, 2. perfect means good, 3. That he exists in the first place.
"What is a good person exactly then?"
An agent who maximises the wellbeing of the world around them.
" therefore would rather decide morality for yourself"
Which is what you do too. You choose to follow the morality as the Bible lays out because you believe it to be moral. If the Bible instructed you to murder children, would you do it?
"How should it be interpreted?"
In concordance with reality. It's claims should be peer-reviewed.
"when your atheistic worldview dries up of shallow meaning"
Ah yes. Because you have such a monopoly on meaning. "God told me too" is far more rewarding than working for the betterment of those you love, isn't it?
"Read the Bible. Repent."
The Bible is literally the reason for the majority of atheism. Maybe you should read it.
@@Capybarrrraaaa Sure, I'll bite.
"Not until you can demonstrate that; 1. He is perfect, 2. perfect means good, 3. That he exists in the first place."
Not quite the simplest questions, but important indeed.
3. Does god exist? This is probably gonna take some personal soul searching on your behalf, but here's how I came to the realization that he does.
First I will ask, "Is there a meaning to life? Is there any reason I exist?". Effectively this question is yes or no. If we assume the negative, then everything is random, nothing happens for a reason, we all die in the end and none of it will ever or has ever mattered. Every murder or transgression is effectively 0, same as every good deed. In the grand scheme of things. Some people choose to go down this path, but for me, it is a dead-end.
Okay, so let's try to assume the affirmative. Then what does it mean for something to have meaning? I would argue that it would involve some sort of 'deliberation' or 'intent'. A plan of some kind maybe. It would only be logical that if life has meaning, we can assume this meaning comes from the design of some entity. So we call this entity God, essentially.
But you're right, unless you have a personal religious experience, I guess you can never really know for sure which path to take. That's were belief comes in I guess.. I believe that life has meaning. From that assumption I can gather that someone or something must have given it meaning somehow, i.e. GOD.
Now for 1 and 2, which I feel go hand-in-hand somewhat. The attributes of perfection and goodness, is essentially something that we get from the bible. One could imagine that the creator of the universe simple pushed some sort of button and set everything in motion, but that would essentially leave us with the same conclusion as the path of "everything is random". So as mentioned, the deliberation of the unfolding of time and the universe is something only an omnipotent entity would be capable of. But the concept of Good and Evil is very complex. It's easy to fall for the basic human yearning for comfort as "goodness", but how do we know that be the ultimate goodness? No matter how much fun and happiness you have in your life, there will always be something missing in the end. You will still die. If you lived for those pleasures and based all of your purpose on that being "good" then I think it's quite shortsighted of you. Pursuing that kind of hedonism, in my opinion, is not comparable, to the comfort of knowing and following the will of our creator, and then being received into his presence after we die, to know the meaning of it all. (That last part assume Christianity is right, but if you realize there's a God, and take an honest look at the history of the world and look for places where god might have made contact, then Christianity becomes obvious, IMO. Again, personal soul searching. The resurrection of Jesus Christ would be a good place to start. Mike (the channel we are on), actually has a nice playlist for evidence for the bible.)
Long story short, God is essentially the definition of "Good" to us. And we read the Bible in that understanding.
"An agent who maximizes the wellbeing of the world around them."
I think I addressed this somewhat above, but this is essentially Hedonism. It's not really "wrong", but there is no human who knows what actions will "maximize the wellbeing of the world". We can attempt to ease suffering and make life enjoyable, sure, but humans are imperfect and therefore can't represent what "good" means. Sometimes we might be on the right track, and I think "maximizing wellbeing" is a good start most of the time. I just concede, as a Christian, that God's will is always better and more perfect (because he has the foreknowledge to know every outcome), and therefore wish that his will be done. And I believe that Gods promise of meaning and eternal life, is closer to "Good" than any worldly pleasure I might want in this life.
A lot of times atheist get stuck on stories such as the Book of Job and give critiques such as "If God is good, how could he have allowed this to have happened?".
To know the answer to that question is to assume to place of God, which is impossible. But that being said, the reason for suffering, I think, is to add weight to the worship of god. If we lived in a world with no suffering, it would produce a kind of hollow praise.
If God wanted to, couldn't he just make us his robots and force us to worship him no matter what? Why is it then that we have the option to stray from god? Only God knows, but I think it has something to do with overcoming suffering and living through it, that life is worth it, despite the pain.
Most people in the world, for most of history, have been living in absolute misery, more than happiness. Why shouldn't they just have killed themselves? Are they droning on aimlessly to keep reproducing the next generation, because they are evolutionarily inclined to do so? I believe it's because life has meaning and therefore is worth living. And it has meaning because of God.
"Which is what you do too. You choose to follow the morality as the Bible lays out because you believe it to be moral. If the Bible instructed you to murder children, would you do it?"
That's an unfair proposition. You just asked if the Bible said something you just made up, with absolutely no connection to God, if I would do it. The whole point of the Bible is that it is the inspired word of God. Funnily enough though, God has instructed the murder in a sort of similar way, in the story of Abraham and Isaac. I won't repeat it here, but the point of that story is, that if God commands something, there's a good purpose behind it.
In the case of Abraham and Isaac, it would be to test Abraham and therefore bless his seed and in the end that the salvation of mankind one day could come into the world. The theology of that story is really rich. Abraham mentions that God himself will provide a lamb, and then later in the story it is told that a ram is stuck in a thicket, and Abraham uses that for the burnt offering. But why did Abraham mention a lamb then? What did John the Baptist first say when he saw Jesus for the first time? John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." (an outcome not even the Jews could have known. No one but God could have known). I see the connection, and I'm glad that Abraham followed Gods commandment. If he was an atheist we would probably all be damned.
"In concordance with reality. It's claims should be peer-reviewed."
Well it is. But it was honestly more of a curious point, as "bs interpretation" is probably as vague as you can get. An interesting question might be "How did the Jews know who were prophets or what was the word of God". Well it started with Moses right? He wrote down the ground rules for it. The Jewish people believed him because he literally split the seas and did things only a man of God would be able to do. Can we ever know if that really happened? Well if it was just a big lie, then how come the Jewish tribe followed him for 40 years in the desert after that? It wasn't captured in 4K, I'll give you that, but honestly, what can you expect at this point? This was what, nearly 3000 years ago? And the Jews didn't think they would have to prove it to anyone. Their religion was exclusive they thought, until Jesus came along and confirmed the entire OT.
Once again, I'd recommend watching that playlist, but the fact that Jesus confirmed the scriptures is also reaffirming. And if you're thinking Jesus didn't exist or didn't get raised from the dead, then I'd honestly just say, look at the evidence for it again. And honestly.
"Ah yes. Because you have such a monopoly on meaning. "God told me too" is far more rewarding than working for the betterment of those you love, isn't it?"
I would say this was addressed in the first answer.
"The Bible is literally the reason for the majority of atheism. Maybe you should read it."
I have read it. I was an atheist before I did. Then I actually gave it a chance. I bet you've just heard people talking about what's in it. But again, personal journey, soul searching yadda yadda. "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear".
The actual reason for Atheism, is a mixture of narcissism and ignorance. "I know better than God, therefore he must not exist." or "I need to be able to measure God to think that he exists. I can't, so he doesn't".
Anyway, God Bless!
I can't believe I got to the last episode of this series, this has been so helpful.
Thank you for putting up this series. It has helped me a lot in finding answers to the questions I've struggled with regarding this topic. God bless you !
If you mention any other sin in this context, people say, "how dare you compare their lifestyle to !" and they completely miss the point that you were making.
It's because you're making a stupid argument to justify hurting people. Of course that's going to be met with outrage.
@@Capybarrrraaaa what is my "stupid argument" and how is my "stupid argument" an attempt to justify hurting people?
I apologize for my previous comments Mike. Thank you for this series. All four videos are important. God bless ♡ ps feeling SUPER convicted rn LOL
Faithful....I know it's difficult when Holy Spirit convicts but you wouldn't feel convicted if God didn't find you Worthy to discipline because of his Love!
@@KM-zn3lx Wow, that's dripping with daddy-issues.
@@Capybarrrraaaa discipline is healthy and loving. Snide remarks are rude.
@@evanbrandt6877 You know what's more rude? Spreading falsehoods that cause people literal pain and ignorance.
You'd never call that out though, right?
@@Capybarrrraaaa With God, we all have daddy-issues. That's the whole point of this channel!
Great series to return to even if just for the solid data and counter-rhetoric, although it's better than that.
Keep up the good work!
You really are so spot on with this
This whole series opened my eyes a LOT on how to communicate what I know is right. I wish everyone could watch and agree
Thankyou Pastor Mike. I do appreciate your careful and thoughtful study of the Scriptures combined with compassion and common sense! Blessings!
I have a niece that is gay and married. I love her and I won't turn my back on her. But she knows what the bible says about being homosexual and it's her decision, I will continue to pray for her always
A book you should consider is “Born Again This Way” by Rachel Gilson. It helped me understand how lesbians think. Rachael was miraculously saved.
I have 2 granddaughters that like girls.. I love them dearly. They are young and am praying that God changes their heart. They also know what the Bible says.
@@TheVertigoalley I have noticed that every lesbian I know had a negative emotional experience (such as a breakup) with a male (either boyfriend or father) right before going lesbian.
Does that fit with your observations? Does the book you mentioned shed any light on that?
@@viperstriker4728 I read Rachel’s book a few years ago and I don’t remember her interactions with men being negative. She did write a lot about an overwhelming desire to be with another woman. But you are right, most of the lesbians I have known have had conflict with fathers/brothers/ husbands etc.
I used to do a lot of expert witness testimony in court. At first I tried to be convincing and felt unsuccessful when the decision went the wrong way. After a while the Spirit began asking me another question: "Gary, did you tell the truth or did you exaggerate something." Now, I ask myself that question and no longer feel responsible for the outcome. Just tell the truth as best you can. Pastor Mike, I think you understand that. Great teaching, brother.
Unless it's a "conspiracy theory" apparently
@@DiggitySliceI don't think he said it's a conspiracy. Didn't he actually say conspiracy theories are silly wastes of time?
@@DiggitySlice I am not sure what you mean by that, but I can name a dozen conspiracy theories of the top of my head that turned out to be true. I can also list a dozen that turned out to be hoaxes.
How about see stop considering what something is labeled as or who believes/doesn't believe it. Assuming a liar is wrong give him just as much power over you as assuming he is right. The only way to deal with liars is to excluded them from what is being considered.
Mike somewhat skipped over part of one man's question, regarding when people ask why we single out homosexuality and talk about it so much. I would say the answer is multi-faceted.
1. Some people who profess to be Christians really *are* hateful and bigoted, and that's why they talk about homosexuality more than other sins and prop it up as being worse than other sins
2. However, it's worth asking this: do Christians *really* talk about this more than anything else? Or is it just that this is the thing that makes headlines and gets blown up, because it's such a contentious issue? Because I know, as someone who has been a Christian my whole life and gone to many different churches, I actually feel like we very, very rarely see this issue preached on.
3. Perhaps the really we do see Christians talking about this issue a lot is not because it's a worse sin, but because it's so widespread, widely accepted, and damaging. People are making their sexualities their entire identities now, and homosexuality is more accepted now than ever before in history, as far as I can observe. So it makes sense that, like Jesus and the disciples and apostles did, we are going to hone in on the issues that are most relevant in our time. Just as Jesus didn't need to speak to Jews of his time about homosexuality, we don't need to speak to people of our time about, say, rape and murder being wrong. We do, however, need to address the issues where sin is being not only accepted, but praised and glorified. Homosexuality happens to be one of those issues, and it's one that is very deeply ingrained into the way a person views their entire identity, which can be a huge stumbling block for them. Much more so than, say, someone watching pornography, which they recognize is just a behavior. They don't see that as their identity. That's one key difference.
Reading number 4, it's infiltrating the church so deeply that my own Christian family is now pro-LGBT and has completely changed their stance on these issues. That's something I never, in a million years, thought would happen. So yes, this is extremely important to talk about.
It's also funny to me that people act like Christians are the ones obsessed with talking about LGBT stuff. The whole WORLD is obsessed with talking about LGBT stuff! It's shoved in our faces 24/7.
I was just telling my husband "I can't wait til pride month is over, so I don't have to see pride commercials 24/7 every time I watch TV." And then I realized that it's July 21st. Pride month has been over for almost an entire month. It's just still being shoved in our faces every second, from every angle.
So no, Christians are not the ones who are making this issue the most relevant and prominent issue of our time. I would love nothing more than for this to be something we don't really even need to talk about, because everyone already knows it's wrong. It wasn't brought up much in certain regions of Biblical teaching, because in those regions, they already knew it was wrong and weren't supporting it. So it didn't need to be talked about.
As long as people, especially Christians, and excepting, endorsing, and praising LGBT identities, this message from Christian pastors will be relevant and necessary.
I talk about it a lot. Yet I have never introduced the topic without. Either the other person brings it up or it is depicted in someway. So number 3 is correct.
Number 1 happens after someone breaks under the pressure of too much of it being pushed on them. I saw an activist one day wearing a shirt that said "times are changing" with rainbow paint being poured on the globe. Kicking a hornets nest isn't a good way to convince people, yet that is what this activist chose to do. It's very unfortunate, but I have seen first hand the reaction to them turn to hate where none existed before the activists arrived.
@@viperstriker4728 I agree with you. Although there are certainly people out there who are hateful for other reasons as well.
This whole series is amazing I love Mikes depth of study and answers.
Someone told me "only God can judge". I told them your right. And his judgment was the wages of sin is death. The question now is are you going to accept the payment Christ paid on your behalf so you can be set free, or is that going to remain on you keeping you in captivity?
That is a complicated beautiful thing to wrap ones mind and heart around.
I pray that I can accept that gift of salvation.
What's hard is that I'm still sinning in thought and deed and I feel so filthy, most unholy and very unworthy of salvation and fellowship with the Christian body.
I pray for deliverance from myself often but I keep getting in my way enough that I end up doubting my salvation, pray for my deliverance.
@@krustysurfer I understand doubting ones salvation. The only thing I can tell you (and myself in those moments) is have a very firm understanding of your salvation. That you did nothing to earn it. It does not depend on you one little bit. And that's the best news and hope we can ever have in these moments.
There is a lot of voices in the wind that try and tell us we can lose our salvation or that we were never truly saved. And I would ask one question...what is the helmet of salvation? It's part of our spiritual armor. meaning we are in a war. If Satan can get us to doubt our salvation he can have a field day with us.
Obviously this does not mean we don't keep fighting the battles. Some are longer and harder than others.
Much love to you.
@@thehonestchristian492 the voices the doubt comes from what I feel what I experience the awareness of my sin it makes me doubt that I'm even saved. I know that my salvation the only part of it that I have to do with it is me acknowledging that I'm a sinner and asking God to have mercy on me as a sinner and pleading the blood of Jesus upon my sins and my very sinful nature.
The doubt is the effect of sin upon my life, I know others have sinned more than me and I know others have sinned less than me sin is not comparison or a comparison to other people other sinners but my standard is Jesus God pure holiness and when I compare myself to that standard I fall miserably short and have no comfort in my walk as a supposed Christian I feel like a counterfeit a fake a wannabe in my walk I definitely feel the filthy rags that I wear my sin nature is very strong and I do not resist temptation very well I've been very good at being bad throughout my life I know Jesus is the only answer to my dilemma and that God has mercy upon me has mercy upon my soul on my rebellious prideful arrogant sinful soul.
I know that me getting into heaven will have nothing to do with how I lived my life accomplishments or lack thereof only by God's grace will I enter into heaven I suppose I will be in the least of these lot and as Mike has said I would like to hear well done good and faithful servant instead of I never knew you and be spat out of his mouth into eternal darkness that is my greatest fear and I guess that I'm not the only one who goes through this internal tribulation.
God bless you keep you and guide you.
As a Christian whose done a lot of research on this I agree with almost everything you said but will point out some important extraneous variables. When talking about if homosexuality is genetic you should note that a huge percentage of gays were sexually abused as kids and most came from broken homes. This adds some ambiguity on gays being more likely to molest their own kids because are we seeing homosexuality make someone more likely to molest their kids or are we seeing being molested being more likely to make you gay and a molester (and probably an addict at well)?
Suppose mom and dad have a son and daughter, get divorced, the mom takes the girl and dad takes the son: if mom has 3 boyfriends in the next year and dad has 30 boyfriends even if being gay doesn't make any individual more likely to molest a child it is far more likely that the son will be molested than the daughter. Simply asking kids raised by gay parents if a parental figure molested them also doesn't account if the dad molested the daughter and the mom left, took the girl, and hooked up with another woman.
Comparing kids raised by gays to kids raised by straights isn't completely fair because 95% of kids raised by gays have gone through a divorce while most kids raised by married straight couples are haven't and we know that divorce is likely to make kids depressed/ suicidal/ abuse substances etc. A fairer comparison would be kids whose parents got divorced and remarried either hectro or homosexually.
So far there's no evidence for a gay gene but suppose there is. There's a lot of genes that can be dormant and activated by drug use like genes for paranoia that get activated by pot, so what if drug use activates the gay gene. That might also explain why gays are more likely to be addicts because it could be that addicts are more likely to be gay.
Having far higher rates of STD's could well be a cause for depression/ suicide.
Overall you can absolutely prove that gays and kids raised by gays have far higher problems in all the areas of life the pastor mentioned and far more. You can rule out 'homophobia' as being the main factor for gay community dysfunction since it doesn't change much if you compare America to Denmark which was the first country to legalize same-sex marriage about 30 years ago.
If however, Someone who was desperate to justify homosexuality could sanely argue that being molested makes you do drugs which makes you promiscuous which causes STDs which causes depression/ suicide in either straight or gay couples and homosexuality is a harmless byproduct being dragged along for the ride. I wouldn't consider this wise but I wouldn't be able to disprove that with the studies I've seen so far.
Also, the idea of classifying relationships as straight or gay is misleading since the Biblical approach is that men and women think/ act differently therefore two women living together would be very different than two men living together which is exactly the case if you can find research that thought to separate the categories.
Concerning breast cancer for lesbian women, I had read that there are certain things that get released in the body when a woman lactates during pregnancy, and if those don't get released it increases the likelihood of breast cancer.
Yes, I imagine there would also be higher rates amoung asexuals and celibate women for the same reason.
@@FronteirWolf you might be right. I have not looked into those.
Yes! Breastfeeding majorly lowers your breast cancer risk, and it only lowers more with each child you have and the longer you breastfeed.
At 50:00 Mike talked about the different treatments society can give things. It was completely true. Before the Obergefell decision by the US Supreme Anarchists homosexual "marriage" was left alone. It was the middle thing on that spectrum. People are spreading an inaccurate description when they say Obergefell "legalized" homosexual marriage. 2 people of the same sex could have had a big public ceremony and call each other husband and husband or wife and wife (which would have been grammatically inaccurate) and been at zero risk of any punishment.
@Mike Winger could you please share a document that has all the facts/stats you shared? If you have an updated one as well that would be awesome! I would LOVE to create an INFOGRAPHIC so that this information could be shared across social Media Easily as well... I wish I saw this video before their Gay Pride Month. Thanks, Mike :)
these are some of them
2.5y after this video came out, all I see are the blind men reaching for the door in the comment section. Mike, you did a great job with this series and you shepherded Jesus Christ's flock Ὁμολογέω to His nomia. Thank you!
An excellent series. Thanks so much, Mike, for putting so much time, research, study and preparation into this important topic.
Mike, I’d love to have links to these statistics so I can post them on social media and get the word out. Can you provide them? Great video btw. I love that you’re addressing and defending the “hard”biblical issues. God bless you!❤️
Thank you, Mike, and well done on such a comprehensive, informative and constructively presented series. Excellent job! 👏👏👏
Wow, I feel so blessed to have come across your teaching. This was not only informative but spoken in a loving way. Thank you, I look forward to watching all your content 😊 p.s. the farm boy look works for you haha
Maybe you should listen closer. He's being very deceptive about it, and I very much wouldn't call it loving.
Look at his "secular" arguments for example, and now try to apply them to heterosexuality. It's massively hypocritical, and then one must question his motivation to make such hypocritical perspectives.
Try not to mistake deception for a loving character. Those who mean harm aren't always so obvious about it.
It took a lot of arguments and tears and figuring out the relationship for me to take a stand against my daughter's lesbianism and have her finally admit that she knows I do love her after all. Don't back down, but show your love while standing for truth!
@@lepidoptera9337 that's a stretch. We both are better persons because of how we have both learned to handle the relationship.
I'm struggling with a similar thing right now, with family who are Christian deciding to accept LGBT identities and no longer believing that the Bible says they are sinful. And a few of them identify as LGBT themsleves. It's very dishesrtening. I'm coming back to these videos and wishing they would watch them, too, so they can see this issue clearly. I've sent the videos to them, but I don't know if they will watch.
@@CassTeaElle all we can do is keep praying for our family and ask God to make their hearts tender toward the truth as the Holy Spirit speaks to them. I'm just trying to model a loving non judgmental heart while at the same time I've already made it clear where I stand. I sympathize with my daughter's feelings in her relationships because those are very real to her. I used to think she would hate me if she ever gets married and I don't attend. Now, I think she would be surprised if I did. Consistency is important.
Speaking on Galileo, I believe Pastor Mike's interpretation was incorrect at 44:30 . A whole host of people and books got in trouble with the Church for promoting heliocentrism, Galileo and his heliocentric books included. The Church (Catholic, in this case) has indeed done some horrible things in the name of defending doctrine.
If I am incorrect about Galileo and the Church, however, please refer me to some credible references so I may learn more.
This inconsistency made me start questioning some of the other defenses, but I've found conflicting opinions in research. However, on the whole, I have found this series well thought out and carefully assembled. At the least, the pastor's thoughts are good food for thought and describe how to love with boundaries of Biblical right and wrong IMO.
Thank you Mike for your videos and for the research! I really enjoyed this series and your other content - good presentation & arguments, and I really appreciate your humour!
Thank you God in the name of Jesus Christ for creating Mike 😇
If you think he provides good arguments, please look into them. They are surface-level and designed to catch the unthinking.
@@Capybarrrraaaa I like a lot of his arguments just disagree with a few
@@deadchannel89 I honestly can't say I can support any of his arguments. I don't think I've found one yet, which, after fact-checking or basic logic, has held up.
I'm not going to make any comment on his biblical analysis, it's not my place to say whatever there, but any time he talks about anything "secular", he's just objectively incorrect.
His arguments fall apart easily, for example;
'gays have an increased rate of STDs'
He tries to paint that as a downside of the "gay lifestyle", when it's absolutely not inherent to being gay. Rather, because society refuses decent sex-ed (especially around gay topics). Amonst other issues.
Mike Winger shares HOLY BIBLE Wisdom that Believers agee with and are Blessed by GOD to learn, consider, and enthusiastically obey. Is a step of Faith by Grace.
@@lynnlink4629 Shush, you can't show that your bible is what god wants.
It’s so hard to raise teenagers right now. My beautiful daughter....I can only say Jesus raised her since he was so busy while she was growing up saving me and I was out of the game. And I look back and see how little I did and wonder how she turned out so kind, so sweet, never needing much discipline because she loves so fiercely that she obeys her lousy mom with a smile even when I know she’s annoyed. I just love her so much. I might not know how to raise her right but I just know I love her. And now I can see her standing in this storm. Invisible arrows she can’t see are like a black cloud in the sky over her head. Voices are shouting mistruth at her to twist her mind. Temptation is dangling around her head everywhere and I just want to grab her and pull her into our refuge, our home, and lock the doors. Every time I think this Jesus says no. And I cry. But when I dry my tears and watch calmly I can see him do his thing. What’s my job, I’m still not sure, still waiting for all the answers but so far I know my job is to hold her when she cries and be gentle and soft the way Jesus is with me. And when the world tries to convince this little girl that was boy crazy at six that she’s really a lesbian ...every time I’ve went to step in front of her and defend, Christ has held me back with a muzzle. So I pray and watch and wait....it’s agonizing. My desire for an instant fix is like overwhelming. But can I fix her? Am I capable? Only Jesus. And since I know he raised her up more than I ever did, should I really worry? After all he knows her and has her there is no doubt. Sometimes Jesus calls us to stay out of the way.
6 years later and more relevant than ever!
There are different types of love. In the Old and New Testaments the writers reflected this by using different words for the various types. These are examples from the New Testament original Greek:
Agape - Godly love, charity, dear, love, love feast
Agapao - Social, neighborly love in a moral sense
Eros - Love, as between a husband and wife in the physical sense
Philadelphia - Brotherly love, love of the brethren
Phileo - Love as a friend or be fond of
Thelo or ethelo - Wish for, prefer, delight in or desire
(There are more, but these are some of the best examples I found.)
The Lord said, "If you love me you will obey my commandments". This directly leads to the conclusion that anything which is the opposite of obedience to the Lord would have to be considered hatred. In other words, all acts that oppose the Lord's commandments show hatred for the Giver of those commandments.
Another thing I would like to add are the following verses:
Proverbs 23:7a
For as he THINKETH IN HIS HEART so is he...." (Yes, this is speaking of an evil rich man, but applies to all of mankind.)
Matthew 5:27&28
(27) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
(28) But I say unto you, That whosoever LOOKETH on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already IN HIS HEART.
I’m so thankful that God led me to your channel! Thank you for your obedience!
This is a video and a half. This series in general has been excellent even to the secular world. The insights are serious
Yes you do!
No I don't...
Yes you do!
Too funny- good belly chuckle there 😂😉😂
You made a lot of bold comments and I really respect you for that. Thank you.
Maybe someone will translate it into Polish, I don't write well in English, but maybe someone will find it because it is a very valuable lecture
These are fantastic. Thank you for your indepth address of this topic from every angle. It was needed this week greatly. Thank you for being faithful in this and fair. Highly recommend and I will be sharing these with family and friends.
Ive been confused as a kid why i wasn't as big as the other guys. i had low confidence, i was a mommy's boy! But by the grace of God i decided to be what i am at birth a MAN and realize feelings mental-emotional things that really at the root is a spirit of confusion and heartbreak caused me to think i needed love from homoerotic porn, but its effects were devastating. I liked God's beautiful another half of us, girls in my childhood so that's the way it gotta be. And also I love LGBTQ peple for who they are most of them arent even aware of any other love pr acceptance from not the world but christ!, love the sin, not the sinner? Apostle Paul, a true messenger for christ said it best, and not to *hate* them but understand, love and wait patiently, "For although they know God.. that since the beginning of creation that Gods invisible qualities have been made known in nature and spirit, but decided to worhsip the created instaed of the creator. ..Therfeore God gave them up in the lusts of their heart impurities to the dishonoring of their body among themselves.(remember God cant curse but he can stop curses of universal battles of his creation), , Men sleeping with men and lusting in their desire for one another, like wise women sleeping with women...and receiving in themselves the due penalty of error"--> Romans 1 22
I think Mike is uncompromising, and
makes moral reasons, as well as health concerns, not to engage in
this behavior, it's really bad for gays
themselves, as well as society
"101-500 sexual partners throughout their lifetimes" Excuse me _WHAT_-
yeah, those statistics were taken from a poorly misrepresented publishing in 1997 that surveyed about 200+ gay men who were in some way part of the sex work/prostitution industry. most homosexuals have like, around 10 partners throughout their life, and as gay monogomous relationships become more widely accepted i'm willing to bet those numbers will continue to decrease.
It's not that high, but it still is way higher than within heterosexuals. Same sex relationships also are way more unstable, last shorter and are more likely to involve cheating or adultery than heterosexual relationships.
Great job Mike!!! This was so helpful and very informative.
but not really helpful
Its only now that I discover this serie and I wish I aknowledged that like 1 year before
Thank you very much for putting that online
51:18 Chronic fecal incontinence (long duration of not being able to control bowel movements - such as leakages or total loss of control)
Gross!!!!
@@cathyhamlin3611 And also misses the point entirely.
one partner suffers more. Straight up standing painful. Bowel leakage normal.
@@lynnlink4629 Where'd you get that from?
There used to be something doctors called "Gay bowel syndrome." Comprised a variety of bowel and anal issues associated with repeated an@l sex. The term became "un pc" and is no longer used although doctors know very well what a lifetime of indulging in that causes.
"God's consent is what matters"... Truthful simple and profound, it's not easy to live up to that standard, thank God for Jesus blood shed on the cross and the only way that I'm getting into heaven is by that grace afforded me even though I'm most undeserving... Oh what a wretch I am! Only Jesus can save me from myself.
Hi Mr Winger, could you please give a source for the statistics brought up at 50:50 on wards. Thank you
Squares are being redefined as circles in Common Core! Lol
Source?
Great study. Lots of valid information. God Bkess you pastor Mike.
30:30 personally I think in purely *secular* arguments its easier to have a moral relativist frame of reference for that conversation. But, as soon as you bring God into it (and you should, its kind of important) then objective morality is based around God and His teachings.
The way I look at it, morality is encoded into reality. God didn't tell us to do stuff for no reason. He is the creator, He knows how it's designed to work. Just like if you buy a tool and use it incorrectly, the results will be less then optimal.
Even I see something in the Bible i have started to ask the question of why God might have said this. Of course God doesn't have to have a reason, but it's amazing how often I have seen one. And highlights ideas our culture has lost all together. Like how gender roles actually worked before feminism slandered them with the worst examples in history.
Thanks, Mike! Enjoyed this series of 4. Very helpful!
I feel heartbroken listening to the statistics. It is so,so sad
Thank you pastor Mike for this clear teaching!
It's not clear, it's just digestable. His points are nothing but surface-level and break down the moment you start looking into it.
@@Capybarrrraaaa lol why are u commenting everywhere samething
@@li-jv9go To try and understand people's opinions?
@@Capybarrrraaaa no, you aren’t, else you wouldn’t be so hostile in your comments callously calling people ‘morons’ and accusing them of being wholly evil. That’s not the behavior of someone acting in good faith looking merely for greater understanding of others’ opinions. You have an axe to grind, that much is clear. A word of advice though: try not to harbor all of this hatred and frustration for people you don’t even know on the internet. It’s not very conducive to your mental wellbeing.
@@thinkwithurdipstick "callously calling people ‘morons’"
If people want to take offence, that's up to them. If they can handle demonising gay people and threatening them with eternal torture, then they can handle myself expressing discontent.
"accusing them of being wholly evil"
I never mean that. I might have said their idea is wholly evil, or that they were evil in the context given.
"That’s not the behavior of someone acting in good faith"
In your opinion.
"try not to harbor all of this hatred and frustration "
That's an assumption that I do. I don't.
People need to be told if they're deplorable. It's hilarious that people can threaten others then play the victim when they're called out for it.
I really like that you think you understand my intentions better than I do. Funny.
I have a question, and hopefully someone can tell me if anyone sees this comment, but I was wondering, on the statistics of molestation and abuse of children in same sex homes/same sex parents, are those numbers made higher from actually growing up in those homes? Or altogether higher before and after being adopted and placed? Because I know that lots of children who suffered abuse were taken out of abusive homes and then put into foster homes or adopted by same sex couples. So it’s possible that the stats are higher because the children in same sex homes have already suffered the abuse. Right?
It sounded like the study didn't measure that. So I believe your correct that the number would be higher do adoption since we are dealing with percentages. Unfortunately it isn't a topic your allowed to study so good luck finding better numbers. A point to note is that most homosexuals are exposed to sexual behavior much younger then heterosexuals. Many times this comes in the form of abuse. Those that are abused as children are far more likely to repeat the behavior as adults. So I would expect a higher rate from that alone, but we need better data rather then assumptions.
Hope you don't mind my repeated commenting, Mike! Re: the legalisation of paedophilia, I believe that, back in the late 2000s, research/literature was published to argue for children's *"right"* to sex 🥺 ..
I believe it was underpinned or closely followed by testimonies from people who claimed that experiencing sexual advances and activity from and with adults, when they were children: was a positive thing for them. 💔😥💔
Commenting 2 years after you.... it's bad. I have seen so much prepping the narratives for getting kids in on it and less televises stuff already doing it. Mike was certainly naive when he thought this wasn't the first place they would go.
Great series Mike, thank you.
I followed you through all the parts, but when you start discussing science and statistics, it’s important to document your sources. In addition, a key point to remember in scientific studies is that correlation does not imply causation. However, from a biblical perspective, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I agree with what you say about dealing with our own issues so we can humbly and lovingly help others deal with theirs. However, I don't know the original Greek, but I've always taken the verse about "judge not" to mean don't *criticise*, which is entirely different to giving constructive, honest and humble feedback/opinion. 🤷♀️
Watching this in 2022 1 week after Roe V Wade is overturned and increased concern that the Supreme Court will overturn the homosexual ruling
@@lepidoptera9337 we don’t have ROE v Wade being overturned without Trump
In the year 2024 it’s crazy how prophetic this has become in just 8ish short years
I will have to tie this in with the first seven minutes of this video of the things that are not permissible in the bedroom as opposed to in public. Molestation of minors often occurs in the bedroom… and, all too often, perpetrated by someone in the very same family of the minor. But it is in no way acceptable within, nor without, the bedroom. I have personally known a number of minors that this pertains to, and I can guarantee you, that it has tarnished their lives: both as minors, and as adults. This often causes it to be a major stumbling block to successful relationships, marriages, and often… Their own family life with their own children.
This series is amazing! So helpful.
Man. This was a great finale to the series. I also have some serious FOMO for not being a part of your congregation. You are a great pastor!
Great series, super helpful, thank you so much for putting it together! Would you make your references available, please?
Hi Mike,
thanks for the great content.
Would you please provide the source of the statistics which you used?
Best regards
1:02 Great point. If I met a heterosexual couple who did that same thing, I would say it isn't a marriage.
Breast cancer is lower because women that breast feed are less likely to have breast cancer.
Cervical cancer is higher in heterosexual women. Uterine cancer is higher in single/nonsexually active women (and possibly lesbians). Squamous cell cancer of the anus is much higher in gay men, which is not widely known, or screened for.
Another risk factor for lesbians and breast cancer is in addition to not breastfeeding children they are more likely to be obese, obesity is another risk factor.
@Lilith obesity is the least of their problems.
Thank you for doing the research. It is much more compelling.
Have any of these scientific reports been redone in the past almost 6 years? Just curious if the stats have changed.
Thank you, Pastor Mike. ⭕
Two men or women holding hands and a kiss “holy” is a temptation culturally or not it is a temptation for the struggle, flee.
I can tell you're trying to say something awful about gay people here, but your syntax is so bad that it's not clear if you're a bot or just really bad at English.
Why do you think that simple tokens
of affection are wrong? What about
David and Jonathon who were masculine hetroseexuls? Would
you call their expression of devotion
and pure love gay???? I think not
David and John has been debunked.
There was actually a case several years ago where a man (I want to say in Germany) was charged with murder and cannibalism after he killed and ate his partner. I kid you not, the defense he tried to use was that the guy he killed and ate consented to it. Needless to say, that didn't work. As it turns out, both people being consenting adults *doesn't* excuse terrible behavior.
I would be very grateful to have links to these studies and statistics for reference.
great video pastor. it is sad to see to people who are deceived into thinking this is what is going to make them happy, free them, and that it’s the only choice they have anyways.
Thanks for editing this afterward for us online peeps ☺
Pastor Mike I would love to discuss this with you in a public space. No one is well representing this issue other than 1946 the movie
the bible tells us don’t do it and it’s a no no for me
I just love your simplicity! Theres no questioning, theres no second guessing... youre just like "it says whhhaatt!? Yeah thats a no no for me..." lol. Ive been reading my KJV a lot lately and Im trying to get that faith of simplicity. I dont have problems with this sin but others such as cussing and such I do. Its a "no no" for me! lol :)
Re: the breast cancer issue, 1 factor that reduces risks of breast cancer is extended breastfeeding. It's not a guarantee, but it reduces the risk. Women who don't have children don't breastfeed, so their risk factor in that realm is slightly increased.
Hey I had breast cancer and not gay! Didn't like this comment. I believe its due to birtcontrol mammography and drinking alcohol.
Deborah Ruth Trotter I didn’t breastfeed my kids for a minute of their life. I can not handle the sensation to the point of tears and breakdown. OBVIOUSLY if I were in a position of not being able to afford formula for each child I would deal with it because I love my kids more than I hate sensory issues. Just throwing that out there. I hope I never have to hear those horrible words come out of a doctor’s mouth toward me. But unless I had solid (and i mean S O L I D) evidence it was specifically from choosing to not breastfeed I would never assume that. Please don’t blame cancers on peoples actions unless it’s absolutely verified (ie smoking and having lung, mouth, esophaguses...). That is so sad.
Even if I had children, I wouldn't have
breastfed, I have been told, it hurts
@@cathyhamlin3611 That's too bad because breastfeeding is WAAAAAY better for the baby than formula could ever be and it reduces a woman's risk of breast cancer the longer it's done. It's also good for the bonding process and it would be a shame for someone to let herself (and her baby) be robbed of that because SOME (not all) women struggle with it at times.
Also, it doesn't always hurt. Everyone has different situations and you have to look at your own individual situation and get special help if you have trouble with it, but decide it's best for the baby.
@@cathyhamlin3611 with my first baby it didn't hurt at all!!! With my next, it did but it was because of a tongue tie. After getting it revised, the problem was solved. Just want to throw that out there. It's worth trying if you choose to have kids one day!
There is a certain amount of months that after which your likelihood of breast cancer goes down, which is super cool. Not a guarantee, though! And nobody should ever feel guilty for cancer because they didn't breastfeed. There are so many factors involved.
Actually, saying nobody believed the earth was flat at the time of Columbus isn't entirely accurate. The Muslims did. Muhammed taught the earth was a dome.
Deborah Ruth Trotter here is a good sermon on the flat earth thing from the only pastor I know who will publicly admit and teach that the bible portrays the earth as flat, immovable and with a dome above...
th-cam.com/video/JEN9NW6qjCw/w-d-xo.html
Some “prophet”.
@Jason Vanengelenhoven Good for you -- you posted a great link. And as much as I love most of what Pastor Mike said, no one should be defending Christianity on the grounds that it agrees with modern "science." Evolution being a case in point, if you don't want to venture as far as cosmology.
Plus there's no denying that most people who argue for sexual "freedom" do so from an evolutionary worldview, not a Biblical one.
Great research Mike, where did you find all
Those stats?? Would love to have a resource like that.
You think it's great research but you don't know where you got it from.
I don't think you understand what you're saying there; "This agrees with what I previously believed, therefore it's good". Great research is concordant with reality, he's trying to misuse it to prove a point that it doesn't support.
I need a transcript of this. How can I get one. Writing a book. Peace my brother.
Is there somewhere that I can see a link or list of your sources?
Where can I find the sources you quoted? My daughter says it's not true, just right wing propaganda. 😞