Watched a ton of your videos today. Really interested to see how this turns out. We currently live and travel out of a converted school bus / tiny home and we are considering homesteading in a northern climate so it is really cool to see someone doing it. I'd be interested in picking your brain a little bit on some things.
awesome man! great to hear you guys can get out and do your thing! methane collection could be built into many systems we have no we just don't as modern society, yes we do from a landfill, but just cause the enormous volumes emitted affect our climate drastically. theres many smaller ways we can recapture naturally occurring gasses from natural processes or when were creating an organic type of waste. hope you have success!!
Thank you! This has been an interesting experiment all around with the Jean pain compost heating. I’m learning a bit along the way also. Thank you for the kind words and checking this out!
@@Earthdwellershomesteadyou need to investigate using a Walipini. Your problem is that three-quarters of your generated heat is being lost to the atmosphere. Walipinis are successful even defying the cold of the high Andes mountains.
@@estebancorral5151 oh believe me we have. We’re in the process of a large market hightunnel for selling produce but the greenhouse I want to build is sunken and back filled on the north wall only transparency on the south. Great idea man we’re on our way to developing one!
@@EarthdwellershomesteadAdjacent to the transparency, put a roll down insulated curtain with a reflective surface to reflect heat back into the green house at night. During the day, roll up, curtain. You are in desperate need of the of tid bits of wisdom from Amory Lovins up in Snowmass , Colorado.
yes your correct! so what I did was bury the tube about three to four feet inside the hot pile and buried it back in in hopes the load of compost/woodchips would break down and form pressure as the methane forms. this is how jean pain did it but he did it on a much larger scale with larger harvesting equipment. good question and thank you!
The inner tube and the loaded weight on the inner tube was developed by L. John Fry. He was the adviser to both Jean Pain and Harold Bate. Fry, determined that the temperature range for methanogenisis is 92-95 degrees Fahrenheit. Therefore keeping. The biodigester at 100 degrees is energy wasteful by 5 degrees that translates to 1000’s b.t.u.’s per hour. It does not pay to be imprecise.
Hey! Reaching across the world lol! Awesome. We’re bubbling the methane through the jar to prevent any back burn. If we had the lines run directly to the burner we could have possible back burn and possible failure or fire issues. Great question thank you!
Not sure why no one has mentioned that you need to have a sealed chamber in or around the pile to build pressure, If you go back and watch/read the PAIN method you will see that he did so in the center chamber in the pile. Also you can scrub the H2S with steel wool. Also your calculations may need some work, with water and steel wool scrubbing you can get about 82% methane from this method.
this is wheat we grow for them, they will devour this with other soaked foods in winter for extra nutrients when theres snow on the ground for months. the sprouting wheat berry has more nutrition as starches are converting making it a better food source than the grain unsprouted. I've never had any issues and our chickens will eat this every day in the deep winter.
I did observe a few bubbles here and there once I shortened the tubing running to my storage, but I did however dismantle this capturing system. I simply didn't have the room for something that wasn't producing much of a result, I wouldn't have caught enough to burn. too many experiments not enough space lol, thanks for watching this and ill bring a different idea to capture it later, either this or next winter as I plan on increasing the pile size and the insulation (leaf bags) to be up to about 40-50,000BTU per hour harvested off of it. with the larger pile ill have more opportunity to harvest rising methane with a different device.
@@NordeggSonya I missed that part, the issue with that jar though is the lid is metal, even though its coated if any h2so4 gets to that point it will likely corrode that lid. Best to use plastic/glass. I didnt see a filtration/capture system for the H2sO4 when i looked back through. You can use either activated charcoal which can be made by applying steam to charcoal in an enclosed container in a fire, or through some other methods. I would also put a check filter with steel wool in it to see if the charcoal is saturated and needs to be replaced.
@@NordeggSonyathe main purpose of water bottle was to trap cannon-dioxide in the water. Above the water line you have concentrated methane. The CO2 deters thermal efficiency.
@@Kevin-qn7jfif you are going to be pedantic, do so all the way. Include a calcium-hydroxide scrubber to remove the CO2 and a desiccant scrubber to remove water vapor. But will it be cost effective? Yes, because efficiency is always cost effective!
Watched a ton of your videos today. Really interested to see how this turns out. We currently live and travel out of a converted school bus / tiny home and we are considering homesteading in a northern climate so it is really cool to see someone doing it. I'd be interested in picking your brain a little bit on some things.
awesome man! great to hear you guys can get out and do your thing! methane collection could be built into many systems we have no we just don't as modern society, yes we do from a landfill, but just cause the enormous volumes emitted affect our climate drastically. theres many smaller ways we can recapture naturally occurring gasses from natural processes or when were creating an organic type of waste. hope you have success!!
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
This is a really interesting experiment! This is my second listen/watch of your video and I find I'm learning so much from you. Thanks!
Thank you! This has been an interesting experiment all around with the Jean pain compost heating. I’m learning a bit along the way also. Thank you for the kind words and checking this out!
I really appreciate these experiments!
Thank you! Appreciate the feedback and thanks for watching!
Just very cool
Thank you! I’m hoping to get some free energy from this system as well!
@@Earthdwellershomesteadyou need to investigate using a Walipini. Your problem is that three-quarters of your generated heat is being lost to the atmosphere. Walipinis are successful even defying the cold of the high Andes mountains.
@@estebancorral5151 oh believe me we have. We’re in the process of a large market hightunnel for selling produce but the greenhouse I want to build is sunken and back filled on the north wall only transparency on the south. Great idea man we’re on our way to developing one!
@@EarthdwellershomesteadAdjacent to the transparency, put a roll down insulated curtain with a reflective surface to reflect heat back into the green house at night. During the day, roll up, curtain. You are in desperate need of the of tid bits of wisdom from Amory Lovins up in Snowmass , Colorado.
Don't you need some pressure somewhere to force the methane to inflate the tube?
yes your correct! so what I did was bury the tube about three to four feet inside the hot pile and buried it back in in hopes the load of compost/woodchips would break down and form pressure as the methane forms. this is how jean pain did it but he did it on a much larger scale with larger harvesting equipment. good question and thank you!
The inner tube and the loaded weight on the inner tube was developed by L. John Fry. He was the adviser to both Jean Pain and Harold Bate. Fry, determined that the temperature range for methanogenisis is 92-95 degrees Fahrenheit. Therefore keeping. The biodigester at 100 degrees is energy wasteful by 5 degrees that translates to 1000’s b.t.u.’s per hour. It does not pay to be imprecise.
Great input
oh cool!!!!!@@estebancorral5151
Why the jar?
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Hey! Reaching across the world lol! Awesome. We’re bubbling the methane through the jar to prevent any back burn. If we had the lines run directly to the burner we could have possible back burn and possible failure or fire issues. Great question thank you!
Wind energy is also plausible in the Faroes. I know because it has been done in the Arans, Orknies, and Shetlands.
Wow! Faroe Islands, that’s pretty cool!
This is awesome!
Thanks man appreciate it!
You will get an acid that is corrosive to metal, you should find a way to seperate it before it reaches your valve, or that could be an issue
It is called Sulphuric Acid.
Not sure why no one has mentioned that you need to have a sealed chamber in or around the pile to build pressure, If you go back and watch/read the PAIN method you will see that he did so in the center chamber in the pile. Also you can scrub the H2S with steel wool. Also your calculations may need some work, with water and steel wool scrubbing you can get about 82% methane from this method.
this is wheat we grow for them, they will devour this with other soaked foods in winter for extra nutrients when theres snow on the ground for months. the sprouting wheat berry has more nutrition as starches are converting making it a better food source than the grain unsprouted. I've never had any issues and our chickens will eat this every day in the deep winter.
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Any methane captured yet?
I did observe a few bubbles here and there once I shortened the tubing running to my storage, but I did however dismantle this capturing system. I simply didn't have the room for something that wasn't producing much of a result, I wouldn't have caught enough to burn. too many experiments not enough space lol, thanks for watching this and ill bring a different idea to capture it later, either this or next winter as I plan on increasing the pile size and the insulation (leaf bags) to be up to about 40-50,000BTU per hour harvested off of it. with the larger pile ill have more opportunity to harvest rising methane with a different device.
Also you need to add a flashback arrestor to your burner
wasn't that the purpose of the bubble jar or pickle jar?
@@NordeggSonya I missed that part, the issue with that jar though is the lid is metal, even though its coated if any h2so4 gets to that point it will likely corrode that lid. Best to use plastic/glass. I didnt see a filtration/capture system for the H2sO4 when i looked back through. You can use either activated charcoal which can be made by applying steam to charcoal in an enclosed container in a fire, or through some other methods. I would also put a check filter with steel wool in it to see if the charcoal is saturated and needs to be replaced.
@@NordeggSonyathe main purpose of water bottle was to trap cannon-dioxide in the water. Above the water line you have concentrated methane. The CO2 deters thermal efficiency.
Amen and Hallelujah to that!!!
@@Kevin-qn7jfif you are going to be pedantic, do so all the way. Include a calcium-hydroxide scrubber to remove the CO2 and a desiccant scrubber to remove water vapor. But will it be cost effective? Yes, because efficiency is always cost effective!
Can't wait to see that tire inflated!
It may take a while, I’m very interested to see this in action myself lol thanks for checking it out