THIS is what I wanted the Roundtable hold to be in the Base Game. A group of people with diffrent convictions but one goal. Only to face off when the Goal is coming to sight.
Yeap! Some people complained about how the narrative is more obvious and linear this DLC. In my opinion, this has been the best change to FromSoft souls-like narrative in years.
Yeah but this is kinda nice! It shows Miquella might have truly been the best solution to the Lands Between, he managed to make everyone fight together.
@@cursedkei66 Yeah, exactly. Whie I don't hate the traditional way From handles it's NPC Questlines, having the NPCs actully meaningfully interact with each other makes the entire Setting more belivable.
It kinda happened but with Volcano Manor and Varre questline - we hunted down all Tarnished that were on their path to become Elden Lord, Vyke was closest but he was locked down in evergaol, the difference is everyone here is either With or Against Miquella
@@cursedkei66 hopefully they continue to improve upon this. imo fromsoft games have always had amazing lore but the storytelling was never my favorite. npcs felt lackluster a lot of the times and real connections were never made with them aside from a few.
Hopefully a sign of what's to come for their next games I don't care about all the lore nerds watching hours of YT videos and reading doc texts of item descriptions I want NPC's to actually feel meaningful and have some stakes in the unfolding story, we already got that in AC6 and characters were so fun to listen to
Its rare sight, there were few instances before, Laurence and his master in bloodborne, Sekiro had conversation's you could eave's drop on, but seeing actual dialogue exchanges, characters actually responding and challenging each others perspectives? its beautiful, even for what little of it there is. I was so dumbstruck at how awful and artificial NPC's interactions were in the base game, playing elementary school telephone between Hewg and Roderika, between Ranni and her vassals literally spawning in separate rooms despite the moon gazing grounds being PERFECT for a brain trust meeting. the fact that EVERY NPC duo was only paired with a mute or a corpse like Goldmask or Lanya. not to mention how dull the monologues the characters usually spout are, always stoically rambling about abstract concepts and meandering diatribes while maintaining this weirdly forced sense of composure as if they were reading their lines at gun point, even ones that require characters to raise their voice like Jerren and Shabriri felt very restrained. I was so flabbergasted to see Kale's questline cut when his character exuded so much profound venomous emotions and genuine grief that feels like so few characters were allowed to express, so hearing Igon just SCREAM his heart out "BAAAAAAAAAYLE" in an Ahab-esque defiance of his white whale was absolutely phenomenal.
@@spicydong317100% Miyazaki even acknowledged the player love for co-op mods, maybe in a future title there could be party system like Baldur's Gate 3, play along with summons or npcs that have specific questlines and interactions.
The fact Thioller expresses his regret for doubting you hits so hard. All you were doing was just trying to tell him what you knew and he let his ego get in the way of his own faith in Trina.
That really hit me too for some reason. To be honest, when Leda first showed up at the arena I knew I was going to be ganked by Leda's whole squad so I used the summons without reading who they were, and seeing Thioller being summoned as an ally out of nowhere and apologizing to me hit hard for some reason
Thiollier actually has another comment. He says “Not the finest blade nor the mightiest armour will spare your life from the poison of Thiollier.” Which hits so fucking hard.
For real. He couldve chose not to believe the Tarnished, and continued to rot in a cave with the dying St. Trina, but instead he chose to fight alongside our player and even stand against a God, in spite of himself. Hes worthy of as much respect as Sir Ansbach.
True that, I had beef with Thiollier when he tried killing me, but when he came back and apologized, bro was literally the best help against that bastard Dane.
"Righteous Tarnished.. Become our new lord. A lord not for gods.. but for men." I left this comment for a month and what in the all hell have I come back to-
Not to mention that is most likely the canon outcome for the fight, since both Ansbach and Thiollier are later found dead inside Radahn and Miquella's arena.
When I heard Ansbach was a pureblood knight loyal to Mohg I thought... "ahh shit he's gonna kill me when he finds out" He is now my best bro and I will protect him at all costs
Why tf did he have to die. I fucking hate this shit, i genuinely got attached to him yet he just dies after the final boss. I get that it's meant to shoe that he participated in battle, but atleast they could let him survive
It does make sense, Ansbach knew Mogh got manipulated by Miquella, and you, though through death, set him free. Ansbach is thankful for what you have done.
i love how the seemingly "bad" npcs actually come to help you ansbach a follower of mohg and thollier that wants to be the only one recieving st trina's dreams alongside invading you
It's also funny because Leda didn't consider Tholier a threat, she thought he was way to devoted to Trina/Miquella to betray them, but there he is, aiding us, even Ansbach acknowledged him proper
@@mohgceoofblood8235 St. Trina was an aspect of Miquella so it makes sense that Leda would consider someone who loved her to be loyal to Miquella. But Miquella cast St. Trina aside, and Tholier chose her over Miquella when their interests were no longer aligned.
@@ast12321well, yeah. st trina herself said to kill miquella. it’s not really too much of a surprise that thiollier would want to fulfill that, assuming they overcome the initial mistrust they had towards your words.
One of the coolest things about this fight is that once you beat them all, instead of only finding their gear strewn about the arena you find their bodies all posed as if they had fallen in battle Really sells the effects of the battle for me especially given that I really liked all of them and would’ve preferred not to kill them
@@alexv1154a necessary sacrifice to stop Miquella. The demigod who abandoned both his body and mind. To abandon his fears and even his Love. To be reborn as a God, at such a high price, Miquella’s transition to Godhood is basically Griffith becoming Femto. Miyazaki showing us his inspirations to the end!
@@alexv1154 Loved how polite it all was. None of them were screaming at each other, or wailing at one another, or even throwing insults. They all genuinely seemed to have liked each other, and in turn us also(except for maybe Hornsent) and still fight each other with respect. It stung a bit when Leda said that she was sorry she referred to us a friend the first time we met her on the withered arm. Sort of puts the whole 40 hour dlc journey into perspective.
i like how theres a similar setup with thiollier and ansbach after the final fight, like they succumbed to their wounds right after the battle was over
Literally the most hype thing in the entire game, summoning both ansbach and thiollier, and them both arriving just to turn the tide in our favors, the best.
I wish bosses would talk more during the fights, especially the demigods. Imagine if Messmer was just shit talking you during his fight, questioning why the tarnished were given grace while he was abandoned in the shadow realm. It did wonders for Morgotts character, would be great for the others.
It’s baffling they don’t do it when they did it for Armored core 6. The fights in that game were made so much more impactful by the voice lines during them - Ayre’s Rusty’s and Allminds come to mind
But not every attempt please. It would drive me insane to hear the same banter over and over again. The voice lines on death are already more than enough for me. The way Mesmer says "Mesmers flame" will haunt me for weeks to come.
Sir Ansbach is so......awesome! Despite being a follower of Mohg he just comes off as a loyal friend and honorable warrior. I like that there's also no harsh dialog between all the tarnished, only respect and understanding that there's no turning back.
Honestly, Mogh in general deserves better, he was charmed by Miquella to sacrifice his body, only for Miquella to use him as a vessel for Rhadan. Remind you, Mogh was very vulnerable, he was imprisoned below the capital, and was desperate for the love of a mother, so much so that he was reached by the Mother of Truth who gave him power over his blood.Miquella probably charmed him ,giving him hope that he woud create his own family, his own dinasty, only using his hope for his own goals.
Ansbach being such a wholesome and stoic guy makes me think Mohg may not have been such an evil person, sure he probably had aims to destroy the people of the erdtree and erase Marika's Golden Order, but he also was willing to accept those who swore fealty. Okina, Ansbach, Eleonora were all tarnished and Marika's people, the mother who abandoned him. Yet Mohg offered them a place in his dynasty despite this.
Roderika, Hews, Renalla and Boggart are in the base game I don't know if I can rate Ansbach ahead of them but he is arguably in their league for me. Best in the dlc for sure.
That "For the dignity of my lord and master, Mohg" line solidified Ansbach as my favorite character in the dlc. He initially seems suspicious since he serves the Lord of Blood and seems like he has similar motivations to Gideon, but he really just wants to find out what happened to someone he truly valued and respected and, later on, restore their honor. And unlike a lot of other souls npcs, he succeeds in the end. The dlc massively improved Mohg's reputation and you avenge his defilement by beating the end boss. Truly an amazing character.
It breaks my heart when he doesn’t even fight you and instead considers you a friend. But when you talk to him he says that we are the only one that comes by and that everyone else doesn’t come to see him anymore, never to realize that we are the ones who killed his only friends.
I like the shades of grey in this conflict. Clearly, Marika and we as her soon-to-be consort are monsters, but so is Miquella. There is no right and wrong here; the only thing that matters is that 'a crown is warranted with strength!' Lord Godfrey was right all along. Marika's words are also very much true: 'Make of yourselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices...'
@@ett375Kinda bummed that we couldn’t hear him out and choose to side with him as an option and do his own questline like Ranni’s. Or that he wasn’t competely altruistic after all and started to fall in the same pitfalls as his mother, Marika.
@@ett375He is definitely well intentioned and truly wishes to create a better place but lost himself in the process and went about it in a morally questionable manner.
Actually if you answer him you have no idea as for his question of what to do when abandoned he gets to be the merchant there in his first place forever
In my first playthrough he invaded me because I killed his alien friends. I had no idea what was happening and just assumed he randomly decided to invade me. So I killed him and didn't feel bad about it at all. Only after completing the game did I read the wiki and found out that you aren't supposed to kill those rot kindreds because they are his employees or something
This was honestly somewhat cool. I felt pretty invested in the characters and don't at all mind how everything ended up. After beating the final boss though, I kinda felt empty standing all alone in the middle of that arena. Literally you're the only one left and we don't even get a new ending. I know I killed a God, but it felt like I didn't really ended up achieving anything for the game.
I believe that is the point. Not just of the DLC but Elden Ring in its entirety. It's about the futile nature of war, conflict and domination. You end up with nothing but sacrifices, in the words of Marika. I think you are supposed to feel empty. War, bringing in new ages of conflict in the name of declaring godhood or royalty, is pointless.
@@sourxpill Oh wow that's so new and interesting, too bad there isn't a series of games called Dark Souls where this is literally the same thing. With Miyazaki its always the same shit every time. He can't write so he just makes a dead world. As long as there's feet and a swamp in the game, he's good. Oh, you can instant block now, but only for 3 minutes because that makes sense. Fuck this series. ER is Souls for normies, made open world to suck people with no taste and like big ass dead spaces devoid of unique and well-crafted content, and marketed as having some "deep story penned by GRRM" just to suck in more people who have no damn taste. Its not a good game, and the Souls formula is fucking stale.
You're competing with Miquella and Radahn for the place of Elden Lord and God, your own God being Marika. You don't get a new ending because the DLC is not a separate thing. It's happening in parallel to the base game. You have to stop Miquella from becoming a God because if he did, he'd replace Marika and Radahn would become the Elden Lord which is what you want to become. Also when you get grabbed in the final fight Miquella says he promises you a 1000 year voyage. That's interestingly the same thing Ranni says in her ending. So maybe Miquella doesn't want to change the world as we know it but instead leave it altogether. We know that the Greater Will is a cosmic entity that basically just happened to come across this world. If Miquella had the capacity to change the world as he wants then why undertake a voyage like that?
@@ayh4968Same, I was super invested in the NPCs, and having both Sir Ansbach and Thiollier on my side had me emotional. “I am here to grant St. Trina’s singular wish. I will stop Miquella the Kind. He will never become a god.” So good
Yes. It felt like a culmination of investments across several games. Each Fromsoft game has flirted with these sorts of tragic connections. But they were usually one on one. THIS brought it all to another fully realized level. Emotional and spectacular.
No, this is Gael again, they needed to build these guys up the entire game like ds1 for these payoffs to work. You talk to these guys like 5 times max each. Siegmeyer would talk to you more on one occasion sitting at firelink than the entirety of most of these guys entire in-game dialogue, it's ridiculous. All of the elden ring npcs are half baked or less.
I felt emotional on my first attempt but after I realized this was another bullshit gank fight, I summoned my mimic and stomped these guys into the dirt alongside Ansbach and Thiollier. No remorse.
I just LOVE everything about Thiollier man, he is exactly what I'd be in a world like this, lol. Ever since my first playthrough, I've been a huge St. Trina worshipper and I used to use every single fragile looking thing I could find along the way. Here after my third time completing this fight and his enterance always puts a smile on my face!
My only gripe with this fight is that it would be so cool if we had even more variations of it. As far as I know, the only meaningful changes we can do is making so that Hornsent, Freja and Moore doesn’t show up(Ansbach doesn’t count since he is replaced by a Sanguine). It would be funny to even get a variation where it’s just Leda against everyone else and she goes insane and screams “Traitors!” like a lunatic.
It would be funny, but Leda would probably say something along the lines that she misjudged everybody, she is a natural paranoid, if she saw everybody turning agaisnt Miquella she wouldnt be that surprised imo
@@richy9589 Yeah true, but also this is a Fromsoftware game, calm and collected characters making a 180 and start rambling like lunatics isn’t that rare of an occurrence. (This DLC alone has like 2)
@@IronForce-ff2qx eh... in terms of characters that just start screaming like lunatics Ymir, Thiollier, Igon (who was on our side even at his most insane moments), Midra, and to a lesser extent Hornsent all seemed very obviously unstable right from the start. the only real 180 in this DLC is Thiollier turning it around and ending up as our ally (and he frankly still seems like an unstable fanatic). this DLC pretty much avoided ever having the calm characters completely break, if anything Leda was scarier for the fact that she remained calm and composed even as everything collapsed around her
To be fair, while Freja is a paranoid bitch, she isn't an insane madwoman. Even as Ansbach admits, her suspicions are mostly correct. It's just that her suspicions involve furthering a goal opposed to us rather than helping. The only blame that she ends up completely wrong for is Hornsent, but that's because Hornsent is an even bigger asshole than anyone expected but in a way that helps her.
Is this fight hyped enough and emotional enough? Yes Does this fight shows each characters' special traits and abilities? Yes Is this fight actually challenging but fair and fun? Yes Does this fight not try to absolutely brick your console with seventy thousand pillars of lights? Yes Yup, better than the final boss
I disagree. It's great from a storytelling perspective but as a fight it's awful. Npc fights are always pretty bad and gank fights are almost always incredibly annoying and frustrating. And this fight is both with 4/5 npcs also having incredibly annoying builds. Final fight is actually mechanically fun and just gets dampened a bit by having poor visual clarity and performance issues in 2nd phase.
@@Eo-ms3kw Final fight has quite a few wonky hitboxes, like Radahn's swords extending too far out in general, his juggle-finisher's hitbox clipping you even while rolling if you're on some raised ground, and just the cross slash in general. It's cool in concept, but lacked testing since they clearly ran out of time. For the gank fight, I don't know how others found it, but I just used Waterfowl's dance when they spawned in, and it basically oneshot them all. Has 0 issues whatsoever.
The music, the friends you made, the arena, the fighting between them. This is amazing. I always love the trope of "friends UNTIL the end." Where for one reason or another, they're forced to fight and kill one another. Each for a cause they think is right.
Paranoia, revenge, passion, loyalty, simplicity, seeking truth, cowardice, courage . A group of people with different ideas and positions were attracted by the charm and walked together for a while, but when the charm failed, everyone went their separate ways. In the end, they had to face each other with swords. Everyone spoke their thoughts to each other and fought for their own ideas. Although it was short-lived, yet I really miss the time when I was with them, but it is a pity that we can't be together.
Now imagine if some other NPCs from the base game could join you too if they lived at this time. In particular Bernahl and Millicent. "I don't know where I am, I don't know who I'm fighting but my friend called and I shall answer"
Fromsoft games, or just any other games, need more stuff like this. All of those npc quests lead to this grand finale, with unique interactions depending on your choices. This was an awesome experience.
fr you generally feel that shit like you're about to go against everything that was told to you like what youre doing is blasphemous but for a better cause
I really like that all of Miquella’s followers are from different factions. We have representatives of Radahn, Mohg, Miquella, St Trina… and each of them expand each of their lords lore. The battle and the characters themselves were great. I wish we could also get some more characters, for example a knight from my Gelmir who knew Rykard before his fall, or someone from Leyndell (on Morgott or Godwyn’s behalf), or a Carian mage (on Ranni’s behalf). Anyway, really liked this DLC!
Ranking emotional damage. 3. ''You and i fighting, tragedy this is'' -Moore 2. ''A balm upon my soul it is that we do not meet as enemies today.'' - bro Ansbach 1. ''Iam deeply sorry, for doubting you'' -Thiollier
I personally really like "Lady leda, Your suspicions were dead on. In the end i could not bury the memories of Lord Mohg and our pact of blood." He sounds sad and then Leda mocks him for it and it makes me want to kill her so badly
IMO this was the best NPC series of quests fromsoft has ever done. Standing to fight Leda was very emotional because it really comes down to a difference in lord, rather than hatred. We're both doing what we feel is right. It was also such a cool thing to fight with Thioller and Ansbach when facing Radahn. The coward and the over the hill soldier along with the tarnished to face a living god. It is such a great climax.
"Now, my blade. Watch closely." For me this is the most badass line in the entire game. From a character that is so humble, constantly underplaying his abilities, being unwillingly to pick up his blade. He finally decides to wield it again, and has this brief moment of quiet confidence and ego, telling you to watch and learn. It just goes insanely hard.
Ansbach, loyal Mohg follower... doesn't care we murdered Mohg for no reason. Other than the runes ofc. I don't know, it just seems like he doesn't have any genuine motivation and is a poorly written character in service to a plot. But when people enjoy Igon purely for the fact he screams BAAAAAAYLE CURSE YOUOUUU I get that people aren't looking for quality.
@@CreativeUsernameEh i truly disagree with that. Ansbach cares that his lord was reduced down to a meer tool. He even tried facing miquella himself to free mogh from the enchantment. He can forgive the player bc the player was just as much a tool to miquella as mogh was. Mogh was born omen, and tried to make something of himself, but was never given any respect by anyone out side of his blood cult. Not desecrating his body was the very least anyone could do for him. Ansbach is a bro, and captain igon is too imo
@@CreativeUsernameEhand igon? Dude had ptsd and was crippled because of bayle, he crawled up jagged peak while making his harpoons, he sees us take on two drakes and win, giving him that push, he leaves behind his body, begs us to face bayle and call on his soul, what we summon isnt igon, its the rage that kept him tied to the world
Ansbach is truly an absolute sunbro. You send him to hell, you kill his master, and the dude backs you up to the very end just because you said the truth to him.
The energy, the lore, the build up to this was exquisite. I usually can’t stand gank style fights, but you have connections to every character and some will even fight with you. Mechanically rough fight, but I loved it.
This fight broke my heart. Especially Moore. He was a good fella. He just wanted to find things and make people happy. Oh and the music was just wonderful.
Leda hunting Hornsent i can understand since even if he's helped, he turns out to be a huge asshole anyways and just as bad as his people when they jarred shamans for the lulz. Leda turning good Moore against me is what made me go full on "You're going to pay for turning my boi against me!"
When i heard Moore go "Sad, forever?" after i've said to him " Move beyond it." broke my heart so bad i legit froze for hours when i saw his curled up corpse right beneath my feet.
@@nameless458 it's always like that with fromsoft Npcs, either he dies or he dies, or he is stuck in limbo forever because we feel too bad to progress his quest.
@@pakkacae4830 At this point its a surprise if they don't die from progressing the questline. Kenneth Heigh is a true one though as he survives no matter what you do.
I like how the characters actually talk to each other in battle. I think the only other time this happened in the souls games was in DS2 with Pate and Creighton.
Before this fight, i really didnt hold any respect for Thiollier. I saw him as a depressed little simp for a flower that tries to kill you because you were chosen instead of him. But seeing that he was willing to stand against Leda, that he ultimately chose to believe your words, and that he risked his life to help you? Hes got dignity, and is very much worthy of respect.
Moore please forgive me for everything Iv done to you. When I told you to put it behind you, it was only to help you feel better. Killing you physically, killed me spiritually.
If you answer Moore that you don't know, he will stick around and survive. He's sad that no one comes to visit except you, but at least he's alive. I wish there was some way to save the Hornsent, but siding with him against Leda and summoning him for Messmer just causes him to invade you at Rauh. I didn't give the scorpion stew so I wonder if that might change anything.
I actually did give him the scorpion stew totally blind without any guide. And now that you remind me he makes me feel even more betrayed, we clearly tried more than once to befriend him, yet at the end he still stabs us in the back
God this is the coolest moment in the entire DLC, thanks so much for this, I was sad that I didn't get some of the dialogue during my fight cause some of them died too quick
I found this dlc as fromsoft way of experimenting with both boss fight and npc The boss fight being more of a cinematic set piece And the npc quest line have more interaction with other quest line
Another interesting part about this fight is the difficulty is what you make of it. If you actually engaged with the dlc and did all the npc side quests not only do you get extra cooperators you can also reduce the enemy count. Gives me big botw/totk feel where the hardest version of the fight is if you just speedrun to it without doing other story content and the easiest and most hype dialogue and fight occurs if you do all the side quests.
Freyja and moore however are ones who engage you for quest choices Freyja by finishing her quest line Moore by telling him to not be depressed Hornsents the only downed foe for acting in his questline
Man, this fight had me crying with amazingly jouous tears, getting an honorable fight to the death with the warriors you helped. Yhe music is amazing as well
I made me sad, having to fight those who I wanted to be friends with as soon as I entered the Realm of Shadow. But, at least, Ansbach and Thiollier were there till they end. Here’s to Ansbach and Thiollier! Bros until the end!
Super cool how the arena floor is pure white, which makes the blood splatters stand out more. Shame that my graphics settings were way too low for them to show.
Thiollier and Ansbach are real ones, especially when Thiollier realizes how he was wrong about you, and how you only really wished to help him, and he redeems himself to aid in the cause. Ansbach is easily the coolest NPC in Fromsoft history aside from Igon (BAYLEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!) for his loyalty to Mohg, for his relief at YOU being the one to grant his Lord an honorable dance to the death, so much so that he pledges to dedicate his scythe to your cause. All in all, this whole battle was absolute CINEMA.
It's a shame one of the most incredible lines is missing from the video "Not the finest blade, nor the mightiest armor will spare your life from the poison of Thiollier"
The voice actors for Hornsent and Sir Ansbach are phenomenal. Sir Ansbach during this fight and Hornsent during Messmer’s. Amazing win this dlc was in regard to npc characters
I love how almost no one fights with animosity towards you or your allies (Hornsent aside), Freja is excited to test you in battle, Dane and Moore do what they have to, Moore even lamenting the coming fight. Ansbach and Freja share an almost fatherly moment, Thiollier and Leda try having each other see their way, and it even seems like Leda just wishes for Ansbach to give up on his dead king and help Miquella instead of fighting. Leda fights us readily, but even she wishes she didn't have to fight us. Its probably one of the most tragic fights in the game from a story standpoint.
I disagree with the whole Leda thing She wouldve eventually killed every single one of her allies and she would have no regrets afterwards She is a dishonored warrior that murdered her compatriots before, The only reason she doesnt wanna fight everyone is because More people siding with Miquella is everything to Her but this has happened before and She ended up murdering them all.
I expected freya and leda to do something bad, especially leda since she was ready to mistrust her allies so fast. But i didn't expect moore, dane and hornsent (i helped him against leda and then i helped him to get his revenge on messmer) to join them. Moore probably hit the hardest. Fuck man, such a brilliant fight from story perspective, if you properly interacted with npcs beforehand. And the ost makes it even sadder. Tarnished just keep suffering on their way to lordship even despite most of them going for greater good of all.
In case you don’t know, Leda is actually a psychopath. Her sword description said that she basically murdered her whole battalion of knights who served Miquella alongside her. I’m not surprised that she quickly turn on you, Ansbach and Thiollier
Thioller is truly a champion in the DLC. Sir Ansbach is epic on his own but the boy coming to terms with his own doubts is beautifully displayed but also that voice acting for him needs to be cemented as the the best one, maybe, in the entire Elden Ring cast.
You have to do quests to get allies, but also enemies. In my first run, it was just Leda, Hornsent and Dryleaf Dane against me. In my second, I had Thiollier and Ansbach on my side, but Leda also had Freyja and Moore
@@the_infinexos Leda and Dryleaf Dane will always be there as your enemies, the rest of the characters will all depend on the way you complete their quests.
@@guardianvalor962bro I did almost 100% of the dlcs in 2 days, every single boss and cave, 90% of armors and weapons, lvl 200 on ng+, now I'm going to ng++, it's called having no life
This battle is my favorite Fromsoft moments. To be at the center of a civil war among your companions like this is so epic but also bittersweet. I love how the NPCs speak with each other and not just through the player. Peak Fromsoft NPC execution
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THIS is what I wanted the Roundtable hold to be in the Base Game. A group of people with diffrent convictions but one goal. Only to face off when the Goal is coming to sight.
Yeap! Some people complained about how the narrative is more obvious and linear this DLC. In my opinion, this has been the best change to FromSoft souls-like narrative in years.
Yeah but this is kinda nice! It shows Miquella might have truly been the best solution to the Lands Between, he managed to make everyone fight together.
@@cursedkei66 Yeah, exactly. Whie I don't hate the traditional way From handles it's NPC Questlines, having the NPCs actully meaningfully interact with each other makes the entire Setting more belivable.
It kinda happened but with Volcano Manor and Varre questline - we hunted down all Tarnished that were on their path to become Elden Lord, Vyke was closest but he was locked down in evergaol, the difference is everyone here is either With or Against Miquella
@@cursedkei66 hopefully they continue to improve upon this. imo fromsoft games have always had amazing lore but the storytelling was never my favorite. npcs felt lackluster a lot of the times and real connections were never made with them aside from a few.
I think this is the first time in a From Software game that NPCs interact with each other like this. I love it.
You can tell that it took inspiration from Armored Core 6 and how the npcs talk to each other in the middle of a fight.
Hopefully a sign of what's to come for their next games
I don't care about all the lore nerds watching hours of YT videos and reading doc texts of item descriptions
I want NPC's to actually feel meaningful and have some stakes in the unfolding story, we already got that in AC6 and characters were so fun to listen to
Didn’t Pate and the other guy yell at each other when they tried to kill one another in dark souls 2?
Its rare sight, there were few instances before, Laurence and his master in bloodborne, Sekiro had conversation's you could eave's drop on, but seeing actual dialogue exchanges, characters actually responding and challenging each others perspectives? its beautiful, even for what little of it there is. I was so dumbstruck at how awful and artificial NPC's interactions were in the base game, playing elementary school telephone between Hewg and Roderika, between Ranni and her vassals literally spawning in separate rooms despite the moon gazing grounds being PERFECT for a brain trust meeting.
the fact that EVERY NPC duo was only paired with a mute or a corpse like Goldmask or Lanya. not to mention how dull the monologues the characters usually spout are, always stoically rambling about abstract concepts and meandering diatribes while maintaining this weirdly forced sense of composure as if they were reading their lines at gun point, even ones that require characters to raise their voice like Jerren and Shabriri felt very restrained. I was so flabbergasted to see Kale's questline cut when his character exuded so much profound venomous emotions and genuine grief that feels like so few characters were allowed to express, so hearing Igon just SCREAM his heart out "BAAAAAAAAAYLE" in an Ahab-esque defiance of his white whale was absolutely phenomenal.
@@spicydong317100% Miyazaki even acknowledged the player love for co-op mods, maybe in a future title there could be party system like Baldur's Gate 3, play along with summons or npcs that have specific questlines and interactions.
Sir Ansbach, the one true bro
Dont forget my Boy Thiollier, shoutout to These two real ones 🗣️
The old man is just so cool
He will have to take second place because he needed to be put in his place before he accepted truth.
Nataan is my one true goat, help us out of nowhere. Leaves
Sir Ansbach and Igon are goated
The fact Thioller expresses his regret for doubting you hits so hard. All you were doing was just trying to tell him what you knew and he let his ego get in the way of his own faith in Trina.
That really hit me too for some reason. To be honest, when Leda first showed up at the arena I knew I was going to be ganked by Leda's whole squad so I used the summons without reading who they were, and seeing Thioller being summoned as an ally out of nowhere and apologizing to me hit hard for some reason
Thiollier actually has another comment. He says “Not the finest blade nor the mightiest armour will spare your life from the poison of Thiollier.”
Which hits so fucking hard.
I managed to get that line in my finishing attempt, the absolute legend
A chad, through and through
I think it's triggered when Leda tells Thiollier about making a poor judgement about him
More people need to acknowledge Thiollier. The man is built like a stick and still decided to fight prime radahn and miquella with you
For real. He couldve chose not to believe the Tarnished, and continued to rot in a cave with the dying St. Trina, but instead he chose to fight alongside our player and even stand against a God, in spite of himself. Hes worthy of as much respect as Sir Ansbach.
True that, I had beef with Thiollier when he tried killing me, but when he came back and apologized, bro was literally the best help against that bastard Dane.
And I love how Ansbach recognizes his skill and even calls him Sir Thiollier afterwards
he got glow up but ansbach is just a chad old man that's why he is the best
"Righteous Tarnished.. Become our new lord. A lord not for gods.. but for men."
I left this comment for a month and what in the all hell have I come back to-
who is that from
@@-Kagura_Bachi- its from Sir Ansbach if he dies as a summon for the final fight.
@@superlogy8458 oh that’s pretty cool thanks
Not to mention that is most likely the canon outcome for the fight, since both Ansbach and Thiollier are later found dead inside Radahn and Miquella's arena.
No since you can talk to Ansbach in the room after the fight and you can summon them both for the final boss
When I heard Ansbach was a pureblood knight loyal to Mohg I thought...
"ahh shit he's gonna kill me when he finds out"
He is now my best bro and I will protect him at all costs
Why tf did he have to die. I fucking hate this shit, i genuinely got attached to him yet he just dies after the final boss. I get that it's meant to shoe that he participated in battle, but atleast they could let him survive
I think the devs wanted to show us what Mohg truly was before he fell under Miquella’s charms.
@@venargraden9773 I mean, Mohg was still leading a crazy blood cult before Miquella. He was doing it for the formless mother.
It does make sense, Ansbach knew Mogh got manipulated by Miquella, and you, though through death, set him free. Ansbach is thankful for what you have done.
@@kixakii436he canonically dies "righteous tarnished, become our new lord, not one for gods, but for men" as he dies
i love how the seemingly "bad" npcs actually come to help you ansbach a follower of mohg and thollier that wants to be the only one recieving st trina's dreams alongside invading you
It's also funny because Leda didn't consider Tholier a threat, she thought he was way to devoted to Trina/Miquella to betray them, but there he is, aiding us, even Ansbach acknowledged him proper
@@mohgceoofblood8235 St. Trina was an aspect of Miquella so it makes sense that Leda would consider someone who loved her to be loyal to Miquella. But Miquella cast St. Trina aside, and Tholier chose her over Miquella when their interests were no longer aligned.
@@ast12321well, yeah. st trina herself said to kill miquella. it’s not really too much of a surprise that thiollier would want to fulfill that, assuming they overcome the initial mistrust they had towards your words.
Mohg and Morgott are the only good demigods it makes sense Ansbach is based
@@Zarc-wi4wyit’s crazy how Mogh beat the allegations and is now the victim right?
…sad… forever?
that shit broke me
That actually messed me up a bit. Imagine if these were actual fleshed out characters. It would have hurt like hell.
I already thought Moore was a sweetpea, I feel really bad for him.
Dude that character was like so cringe ngl
@@AbdoHany9 duude fr tho like bro said he likes finding things ☠️ he criiinge
One of the coolest things about this fight is that once you beat them all, instead of only finding their gear strewn about the arena you find their bodies all posed as if they had fallen in battle
Really sells the effects of the battle for me especially given that I really liked all of them and would’ve preferred not to kill them
ah but such is the way of the world, you and they were at crossed goals, neither one willing to back down. You just happened to have the sharper blade
@@alexv1154a necessary sacrifice to stop Miquella. The demigod who abandoned both his body and mind. To abandon his fears and even his Love.
To be reborn as a God, at such a high price, Miquella’s transition to Godhood is basically Griffith becoming Femto.
Miyazaki showing us his inspirations to the end!
@@alexv1154 Loved how polite it all was. None of them were screaming at each other, or wailing at one another, or even throwing insults. They all genuinely seemed to have liked each other, and in turn us also(except for maybe Hornsent) and still fight each other with respect. It stung a bit when Leda said that she was sorry she referred to us a friend the first time we met her on the withered arm. Sort of puts the whole 40 hour dlc journey into perspective.
Seeing Moore lying on the floor broke me he just wanted to “love”
i like how theres a similar setup with thiollier and ansbach after the final fight, like they succumbed to their wounds right after the battle was over
Literally the most hype thing in the entire game, summoning both ansbach and thiollier, and them both arriving just to turn the tide in our favors, the best.
@PotatoGawd Yeah but that's necessary for him to eventually like you. He accepts that St Trina spoke to you after "Dreaming" enough times
@@glazer6213st trinna be giving thoiller that holy space travel smoke
I managed that my first playthrough and it was awesome
@@Dominated001you mean her deep purple bathwater
I wish bosses would talk more during the fights, especially the demigods. Imagine if Messmer was just shit talking you during his fight, questioning why the tarnished were given grace while he was abandoned in the shadow realm. It did wonders for Morgotts character, would be great for the others.
It’s baffling they don’t do it when they did it for Armored core 6. The fights in that game were made so much more impactful by the voice lines during them - Ayre’s Rusty’s and Allminds come to mind
But not every attempt please. It would drive me insane to hear the same banter over and over again. The voice lines on death are already more than enough for me. The way Mesmer says "Mesmers flame" will haunt me for weeks to come.
weird how bosses were so talkative in the base game but here they're all dead silent
@@scrapox217real
I would have gone insane if I had to hear fucking radahn or miquella babble in my ear for 3 days straight
@@christopherlyndsay8611”I WONT STOP”
Sir Ansbach is so......awesome! Despite being a follower of Mohg he just comes off as a loyal friend and honorable warrior. I like that there's also no harsh dialog between all the tarnished, only respect and understanding that there's no turning back.
Honestly, Mogh in general deserves better, he was charmed by Miquella to sacrifice his body, only for Miquella to use him as a vessel for Rhadan.
Remind you, Mogh was very vulnerable, he was imprisoned below the capital, and was desperate for the love of a mother, so much so that he was reached by the Mother of Truth who gave him power over his blood.Miquella probably charmed him ,giving him hope that he woud create his own family, his own dinasty, only using his hope for his own goals.
@@spamton5266 mogh still isnt a saint he started a blood murder cult before he got charmed by miquella
Ansbach being such a wholesome and stoic guy makes me think Mohg may not have been such an evil person, sure he probably had aims to destroy the people of the erdtree and erase Marika's Golden Order, but he also was willing to accept those who swore fealty. Okina, Ansbach, Eleonora were all tarnished and Marika's people, the mother who abandoned him. Yet Mohg offered them a place in his dynasty despite this.
I@@DANBAN119
"I stand with blade aloft, blood afire." Is the hardest line in any souls game
Thiollier for being a guy who can be considered "weak" has the balls to admit that he was mistaken to proceed to help you against Leda and Miquella
Ansbach is amazing. Imo he's the best npc in the dlc & base game.
CURSE YOU BAYLEEEEE
@@darindial8908true, underrated imo. I was dying laughing the entire bayle fight because he wouldn’t stop screaming
Ansbach is great because he’s the only that doesn’t mess with you, he’s not vague and tells you exactly what’s going on.
Roderika, Hews, Renalla and Boggart are in the base game I don't know if I can rate Ansbach ahead of them but he is arguably in their league for me. Best in the dlc for sure.
I personally love igon ansbach and Alexander equally the three goat npcs
That "For the dignity of my lord and master, Mohg" line solidified Ansbach as my favorite character in the dlc. He initially seems suspicious since he serves the Lord of Blood and seems like he has similar motivations to Gideon, but he really just wants to find out what happened to someone he truly valued and respected and, later on, restore their honor. And unlike a lot of other souls npcs, he succeeds in the end. The dlc massively improved Mohg's reputation and you avenge his defilement by beating the end boss. Truly an amazing character.
I also thought Anshbach would be another Gideon who ends up betraying you but he ended up being the best bro
Moore breaks my heart from the first dialogue to under the castle of the last one here
It breaks my heart when he doesn’t even fight you and instead considers you a friend. But when you talk to him he says that we are the only one that comes by and that everyone else doesn’t come to see him anymore, never to realize that we are the ones who killed his only friends.
@@Wolfgang-vd8kxwait, he stays alive? Or how to do so
@@henriquemuller42 Probably have to leave him either indecisive or follow up when he moves to another location.
@@TheCuriousFan1 I think its if you buy enough items from him, he will consider you a friend and wont join the others fighting against you.
@@brycethorner I emptied his shop and he still fought against me in the end
No one notices how dryleaf dane actually speaks for the first time ever in his dying breaths?
I did
Also his dead body is doing the may the best win emote
Like my teammates in Apex legends, they only trashtalk when they're dead
@@alfonshedstrom9859 you deserved that for playing apex legends 😂
@@aimanimran3010 fair
Kinda weird how the weak poison user and the blood knight end up being your biggest bros.
Aside from Igon during the Bayle fight, that is.
Never thought Npc fight can be one of the best moment in Elden Ring
I like the shades of grey in this conflict. Clearly, Marika and we as her soon-to-be consort are monsters, but so is Miquella. There is no right and wrong here; the only thing that matters is that 'a crown is warranted with strength!' Lord Godfrey was right all along.
Marika's words are also very much true: 'Make of yourselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices...'
I'm glad miquella is written morally gray.
@@ett375Kinda bummed that we couldn’t hear him out and choose to side with him as an option and do his own questline like Ranni’s. Or that he wasn’t competely altruistic after all and started to fall in the same pitfalls as his mother, Marika.
@@ett375 Since he married his brother, I would say morally gay, am I right fellas?
Ok, sorry.
@@ett375He is definitely well intentioned and truly wishes to create a better place but lost himself in the process and went about it in a morally questionable manner.
@@VictorIV0310i mean u kinda do side with him if u get ur heart stolen during his fight
Moore my beloved, why did they make me kill you...
Actually if you answer him you have no idea as for his question of what to do when abandoned he gets to be the merchant there in his first place forever
@@faber6482 I think that's worse. He asks you why no one comes to see him anymore and is happy you do not realizing you killed them all
In my first playthrough he invaded me because I killed his alien friends. I had no idea what was happening and just assumed he randomly decided to invade me. So I killed him and didn't feel bad about it at all. Only after completing the game did I read the wiki and found out that you aren't supposed to kill those rot kindreds because they are his employees or something
This was honestly somewhat cool. I felt pretty invested in the characters and don't at all mind how everything ended up.
After beating the final boss though, I kinda felt empty standing all alone in the middle of that arena.
Literally you're the only one left and we don't even get a new ending. I know I killed a God, but it felt like I didn't really ended up achieving anything for the game.
I believe that is the point. Not just of the DLC but Elden Ring in its entirety. It's about the futile nature of war, conflict and domination. You end up with nothing but sacrifices, in the words of Marika. I think you are supposed to feel empty. War, bringing in new ages of conflict in the name of declaring godhood or royalty, is pointless.
You literally kill everything in the game. At the end you rule over a city of ash and your only subjects are dementia smith and roiderika
@@sourxpill Oh wow that's so new and interesting, too bad there isn't a series of games called Dark Souls where this is literally the same thing. With Miyazaki its always the same shit every time. He can't write so he just makes a dead world. As long as there's feet and a swamp in the game, he's good. Oh, you can instant block now, but only for 3 minutes because that makes sense. Fuck this series.
ER is Souls for normies, made open world to suck people with no taste and like big ass dead spaces devoid of unique and well-crafted content, and marketed as having some "deep story penned by GRRM" just to suck in more people who have no damn taste. Its not a good game, and the Souls formula is fucking stale.
From the end of the DLC I’m pretty sure You don’t kill Miquella
You're competing with Miquella and Radahn for the place of Elden Lord and God, your own God being Marika. You don't get a new ending because the DLC is not a separate thing. It's happening in parallel to the base game. You have to stop Miquella from becoming a God because if he did, he'd replace Marika and Radahn would become the Elden Lord which is what you want to become.
Also when you get grabbed in the final fight Miquella says he promises you a 1000 year voyage. That's interestingly the same thing Ranni says in her ending. So maybe Miquella doesn't want to change the world as we know it but instead leave it altogether. We know that the Greater Will is a cosmic entity that basically just happened to come across this world. If Miquella had the capacity to change the world as he wants then why undertake a voyage like that?
God man did anyone else get emotional having to fight them all?
Yes it was my favorite fight of the whole dlc
@@ayh4968Same, I was super invested in the NPCs, and having both Sir Ansbach and Thiollier on my side had me emotional.
“I am here to grant St. Trina’s singular wish. I will stop Miquella the Kind. He will never become a god.”
So good
Yes. It felt like a culmination of investments across several games. Each Fromsoft game has flirted with these sorts of tragic connections. But they were usually one on one.
THIS brought it all to another fully realized level. Emotional and spectacular.
No, this is Gael again, they needed to build these guys up the entire game like ds1 for these payoffs to work. You talk to these guys like 5 times max each. Siegmeyer would talk to you more on one occasion sitting at firelink than the entirety of most of these guys entire in-game dialogue, it's ridiculous. All of the elden ring npcs are half baked or less.
I felt emotional on my first attempt but after I realized this was another bullshit gank fight, I summoned my mimic and stomped these guys into the dirt alongside Ansbach and Thiollier. No remorse.
If you would've told me before the DLC came out that an NPC gank fight would be one of Fromsoft's best bosses, I'd have thought you insane.
Elden Ring: Civil War
As it always was. Just this time it is hot and ongoing and we are in the middle of it
In good fromsoftware fashion, everyone dies at the end
@@erickr199 I mean.. Everyone does die if we choose to become Lord of Frenzied flame..
“Now, my blade, watch closely.”
Hardest fucking line in the game full stop.
AGREED
Sir Ansbach knows he’s him. Even battling besides the Elden Lord, he’s like “You ever see a move like this?”
Sir Ansbach just looking for the truth
Just like the formless mother who also is titled the mother of *Truth*
I just LOVE everything about Thiollier man, he is exactly what I'd be in a world like this, lol. Ever since my first playthrough, I've been a huge St. Trina worshipper and I used to use every single fragile looking thing I could find along the way. Here after my third time completing this fight and his enterance always puts a smile on my face!
My only gripe with this fight is that it would be so cool if we had even more variations of it. As far as I know, the only meaningful changes we can do is making so that Hornsent, Freja and Moore doesn’t show up(Ansbach doesn’t count since he is replaced by a Sanguine). It would be funny to even get a variation where it’s just Leda against everyone else and she goes insane and screams “Traitors!” like a lunatic.
It would be funny, but Leda would probably say something along the lines that she misjudged everybody, she is a natural paranoid, if she saw everybody turning agaisnt Miquella she wouldnt be that surprised imo
@@richy9589 Yeah true, but also this is a Fromsoftware game, calm and collected characters making a 180 and start rambling like lunatics isn’t that rare of an occurrence.
(This DLC alone has like 2)
@@IronForce-ff2qx eh... in terms of characters that just start screaming like lunatics Ymir, Thiollier, Igon (who was on our side even at his most insane moments), Midra, and to a lesser extent Hornsent all seemed very obviously unstable right from the start. the only real 180 in this DLC is Thiollier turning it around and ending up as our ally (and he frankly still seems like an unstable fanatic). this DLC pretty much avoided ever having the calm characters completely break, if anything Leda was scarier for the fact that she remained calm and composed even as everything collapsed around her
To be fair, while Freja is a paranoid bitch, she isn't an insane madwoman. Even as Ansbach admits, her suspicions are mostly correct. It's just that her suspicions involve furthering a goal opposed to us rather than helping. The only blame that she ends up completely wrong for is Hornsent, but that's because Hornsent is an even bigger asshole than anyone expected but in a way that helps her.
this is perfect. i need a mod where you can jump leda now
Ansbach is quickly becoming my new favorite character in any souls game. Making me feel pity towards Mohg while also being an absolute chad.
This fight is better than the final boss fight. The way all the NPCs interact with each other is so peak.
Is this fight hyped enough and emotional enough? Yes
Does this fight shows each characters' special traits and abilities? Yes
Is this fight actually challenging but fair and fun? Yes
Does this fight not try to absolutely brick your console with seventy thousand pillars of lights? Yes
Yup, better than the final boss
@@faber6482the final boss should have been a gimmick like ancient wyvern and be done with it, awful boss fight
I disagree. It's great from a storytelling perspective but as a fight it's awful. Npc fights are always pretty bad and gank fights are almost always incredibly annoying and frustrating. And this fight is both with 4/5 npcs also having incredibly annoying builds. Final fight is actually mechanically fun and just gets dampened a bit by having poor visual clarity and performance issues in 2nd phase.
@@Eo-ms3kwskill issue
@@Eo-ms3kw Final fight has quite a few wonky hitboxes, like Radahn's swords extending too far out in general, his juggle-finisher's hitbox clipping you even while rolling if you're on some raised ground, and just the cross slash in general.
It's cool in concept, but lacked testing since they clearly ran out of time.
For the gank fight, I don't know how others found it, but I just used Waterfowl's dance when they spawned in, and it basically oneshot them all. Has 0 issues whatsoever.
There's not a single second in this video that didn't hurt me 😢
Fr…
Fighting hornsent? Mr. Greater Potentate Mr. ShovesHelplessShamansIntoJarsAfterToothWhipping?
I feel you don't get the full experience of this fight until you have everyone there
The music, the friends you made, the arena, the fighting between them.
This is amazing. I always love the trope of "friends UNTIL the end." Where for one reason or another, they're forced to fight and kill one another.
Each for a cause they think is right.
"Lord of the Erdtree. Lord of Marika."
Man this was so cool and it made our Tarnished even more cooler.
Paranoia, revenge, passion, loyalty, simplicity, seeking truth, cowardice, courage . A group of people with different ideas and positions were attracted by the charm and walked together for a while, but when the charm failed, everyone went their separate ways. In the end, they had to face each other with swords. Everyone spoke their thoughts to each other and fought for their own ideas. Although it was short-lived, yet I really miss the time when I was with them, but it is a pity that we can't be together.
Now imagine if some other NPCs from the base game could join you too if they lived at this time. In particular Bernahl and Millicent. "I don't know where I am, I don't know who I'm fighting but my friend called and I shall answer"
That would kick so much ass
Imagine if Blaidd didn’t die and you could summon him
Alexander the jar-bro would absolutely come too our aid.
Intentionally avoid hurting Varre so he may help too
I would have loved having blaidd and alexander as allies on this fight
@@toadd3498that would have actually been dope
Varre hating the player, probably fanboying over ansbach, but mainly being here as vengeance for Mohg
"Sad…Forever?" I wanted to fucking cry.
Fromsoft games, or just any other games, need more stuff like this. All of those npc quests lead to this grand finale, with unique interactions depending on your choices. This was an awesome experience.
_Leda thinking that she has the moral high ground over you:_
*_Also leda, right after the great rune is shattered:_*
Miqeulla charmed her because she's so fantically loyal she'll kill anyone who dares say no. He charmed her to protect other people
Imagine being so fanatic that the mind controlling guy Whom you whorship has to charm you to make you less loyal
The music for this fight is epic!
fr you generally feel that shit like you're about to go against everything that was told to you like what youre doing is blasphemous but for a better cause
I really like that all of Miquella’s followers are from different factions. We have representatives of Radahn, Mohg, Miquella, St Trina… and each of them expand each of their lords lore. The battle and the characters themselves were great. I wish we could also get some more characters, for example a knight from my Gelmir who knew Rykard before his fall, or someone from Leyndell (on Morgott or Godwyn’s behalf), or a Carian mage (on Ranni’s behalf).
Anyway, really liked this DLC!
Don't forget Moore is a follower of the Rot!
These dialogues gave me the same feeling with ARMORED CORE 6 npc.
“Sorry buddy, but Rubicon still needs me…”
“So tell me…”
“…who needs you?”
@@Crackheadcentral2188 Peak
"Maggots! Do you read me? You can tell this to posterity: mean old Michigan died of a bad fall!"
"How readily the sensation returns! The runaway spirit of war!"
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🖋
Absolute Bar from that gigachad
Ranking emotional damage.
3. ''You and i fighting, tragedy this is'' -Moore
2. ''A balm upon my soul it is that we do not meet as enemies today.'' - bro Ansbach
1. ''Iam deeply sorry, for doubting you'' -Thiollier
I personally really like "Lady leda, Your suspicions were dead on. In the end i could not bury the memories of Lord Mohg and our pact of blood."
He sounds sad and then Leda mocks him for it and it makes me want to kill her so badly
This was the final battle for me. So many stories, great dialogue, amazing.
Bruh goosebumps when ansbach and thiollier spawn
IMO this was the best NPC series of quests fromsoft has ever done. Standing to fight Leda was very emotional because it really comes down to a difference in lord, rather than hatred. We're both doing what we feel is right. It was also such a cool thing to fight with Thioller and Ansbach when facing Radahn. The coward and the over the hill soldier along with the tarnished to face a living god. It is such a great climax.
everything is fine Sir Ansbach Lord Mohg finally beat his allegation his honors restored
"Now, my blade. Watch closely."
For me this is the most badass line in the entire game.
From a character that is so humble, constantly underplaying his abilities, being unwillingly to pick up his blade.
He finally decides to wield it again, and has this brief moment of quiet confidence and ego, telling you to watch and learn. It just goes insanely hard.
Ansbach is my favorite!
Real, him and Alexander are such great wholesome characters
Ansbach, loyal Mohg follower... doesn't care we murdered Mohg for no reason. Other than the runes ofc. I don't know, it just seems like he doesn't have any genuine motivation and is a poorly written character in service to a plot. But when people enjoy Igon purely for the fact he screams BAAAAAAYLE CURSE YOUOUUU I get that people aren't looking for quality.
@@CreativeUsernameEh i truly disagree with that. Ansbach cares that his lord was reduced down to a meer tool. He even tried facing miquella himself to free mogh from the enchantment. He can forgive the player bc the player was just as much a tool to miquella as mogh was. Mogh was born omen, and tried to make something of himself, but was never given any respect by anyone out side of his blood cult. Not desecrating his body was the very least anyone could do for him. Ansbach is a bro, and captain igon is too imo
@@CreativeUsernameEhand igon? Dude had ptsd and was crippled because of bayle, he crawled up jagged peak while making his harpoons, he sees us take on two drakes and win, giving him that push, he leaves behind his body, begs us to face bayle and call on his soul, what we summon isnt igon, its the rage that kept him tied to the world
I’m so glad I managed to get Ansbach and Thiolier in this fight.
They were so awesome to have by my side through this.
Ansbach best character. Shame Igon isn't a part of this fight too though, his voice actor was amazing in the Bayle fight.
Bro if we could get Igon on this fight it would be a warcrime againts the opponents voice acting
CURSE YOU BAYLE
Igon is way too angry at Bayle to join this fight lmao
He’d be summoned and leave after saying something like “None of you are Bayle!”
@@buklau837it would be more like: "Curse you Bayle, you didn't show your putrid flesh to this glorious fight led by the true drake warrior!!!!"
Ansbach is truly an absolute sunbro.
You send him to hell, you kill his master, and the dude backs you up to the very end just because you said the truth to him.
Ansbach and Igon are my personally favorite NPCs in this game. Great dialogues, epic voice acting and balls of steel.
dryleaf dane was the last one to die and it felt so emotional having the battle end while hearing his voice
The energy, the lore, the build up to this was exquisite. I usually can’t stand gank style fights, but you have connections to every character and some will even fight with you.
Mechanically rough fight, but I loved it.
This fight broke my heart. Especially Moore. He was a good fella. He just wanted to find things and make people happy.
Oh and the music was just wonderful.
Leda hunting Hornsent i can understand since even if he's helped, he turns out to be a huge asshole anyways and just as bad as his people when they jarred shamans for the lulz. Leda turning good Moore against me is what made me go full on "You're going to pay for turning my boi against me!"
When i heard Moore go "Sad, forever?" after i've said to him " Move beyond it." broke my heart so bad i legit froze for hours when i saw his curled up corpse right beneath my feet.
Moore. my heart. my baby boy. i wish you never had to be fought...
You can tell him to remain sad forever and he dies before this.
@@nameless458 it's always like that with fromsoft Npcs, either he dies or he dies, or he is stuck in limbo forever because we feel too bad to progress his quest.
@@pakkacae4830 At this point its a surprise if they don't die from progressing the questline. Kenneth Heigh is a true one though as he survives no matter what you do.
@@nameless458no he can survive forevr
You must say i have no idea and left
He will be your friend even after this fight and with bonus dialogues
@@nameless458 that kills him still. i don’t want him to die.
so i just ignore him until leda’s fight is over
Dryleaf dane: "Kind miquella, in godhood you shal rise..."
Me who's only received the the triple dot treatment: "- who said that? Who died?"
Genuinely broke my heart having to fight these comrades.
Going out my way doing the questlines and summoning them for bosses.
A bitter sweet victory
Ansbach, Igon, Alexander.
These are the true heroes of our story.
Aww man, I was coming here hoping to hear Thiollier's badass line about his poison and it's the one that's missing
I like how the characters actually talk to each other in battle. I think the only other time this happened in the souls games was in DS2 with Pate and Creighton.
Before this fight, i really didnt hold any respect for Thiollier. I saw him as a depressed little simp for a flower that tries to kill you because you were chosen instead of him. But seeing that he was willing to stand against Leda, that he ultimately chose to believe your words, and that he risked his life to help you? Hes got dignity, and is very much worthy of respect.
Moore please forgive me for everything Iv done to you. When I told you to put it behind you, it was only to help you feel better. Killing you physically, killed me spiritually.
Bruh that's so much dialogue I missed. They all went down very quickly to me and my allies
If you answer Moore that you don't know, he will stick around and survive. He's sad that no one comes to visit except you, but at least he's alive.
I wish there was some way to save the Hornsent, but siding with him against Leda and summoning him for Messmer just causes him to invade you at Rauh. I didn't give the scorpion stew so I wonder if that might change anything.
me too i love that dude he deserves solace. but hes vengeance-lust and we all know how most of these characters end up with... 😢
It doesn't change anything unfortunately.
I did all of Rauh before beating messmer, and that stopped him from invading me during the fight. Probably not intended, but its cool.
I didn’t summon him for messmer and he never invaded me at rauh
I actually did give him the scorpion stew totally blind without any guide. And now that you remind me he makes me feel even more betrayed, we clearly tried more than once to befriend him, yet at the end he still stabs us in the back
The fact miquella charmed leda to be less violent implies that mohg wasnt fully under his control.
God this is the coolest moment in the entire DLC, thanks so much for this, I was sad that I didn't get some of the dialogue during my fight cause some of them died too quick
I found this dlc as fromsoft way of experimenting with both boss fight and npc
The boss fight being more of a cinematic set piece
And the npc quest line have more interaction with other quest line
I really didn't want to fight Moore. That last "Sad, forever?" Just broke me.
“Never thought I’d die fighting side by side with a Pureblood Knight.”
“What about side by side with a friend?”
Best npcs fromsoftware has ever made, the npc fight at the end was so compelling, it actually made me a bit emotional
I loved everything about that fight: the 3v4, the ost, the lore.
It was perfect!
Another interesting part about this fight is the difficulty is what you make of it. If you actually engaged with the dlc and did all the npc side quests not only do you get extra cooperators you can also reduce the enemy count. Gives me big botw/totk feel where the hardest version of the fight is if you just speedrun to it without doing other story content and the easiest and most hype dialogue and fight occurs if you do all the side quests.
Freyja and moore however are ones who engage you for quest choices
Freyja by finishing her quest line
Moore by telling him to not be depressed
Hornsents the only downed foe for acting in his questline
Man, this fight had me crying with amazingly jouous tears, getting an honorable fight to the death with the warriors you helped. Yhe music is amazing as well
I made me sad, having to fight those who I wanted to be friends with as soon as I entered the Realm of Shadow. But, at least, Ansbach and Thiollier were there till they end.
Here’s to Ansbach and Thiollier! Bros until the end!
The Chad Ansbach have the most replayed in this video as he should.
Super cool how the arena floor is pure white, which makes the blood splatters stand out more. Shame that my graphics settings were way too low for them to show.
Thiollier and Ansbach are real ones, especially when Thiollier realizes how he was wrong about you, and how you only really wished to help him, and he redeems himself to aid in the cause.
Ansbach is easily the coolest NPC in Fromsoft history aside from Igon (BAYLEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!) for his loyalty to Mohg, for his relief at YOU being the one to grant his Lord an honorable dance to the death, so much so that he pledges to dedicate his scythe to your cause.
All in all, this whole battle was absolute CINEMA.
Dude, YES. 🙌
It's a shame one of the most incredible lines is missing from the video
"Not the finest blade, nor the mightiest armor will spare your life from the poison of Thiollier"
The voice actors for Hornsent and Sir Ansbach are phenomenal. Sir Ansbach during this fight and Hornsent during Messmer’s. Amazing win this dlc was in regard to npc characters
sir ansbach i love you
Out of all the boss fights in the dlc, i didn't think an npc one would end up being one of my favourites!
I love how almost no one fights with animosity towards you or your allies (Hornsent aside), Freja is excited to test you in battle, Dane and Moore do what they have to, Moore even lamenting the coming fight. Ansbach and Freja share an almost fatherly moment, Thiollier and Leda try having each other see their way, and it even seems like Leda just wishes for Ansbach to give up on his dead king and help Miquella instead of fighting. Leda fights us readily, but even she wishes she didn't have to fight us. Its probably one of the most tragic fights in the game from a story standpoint.
Beautifully said.
I disagree with the whole Leda thing
She wouldve eventually killed every single one of her allies and she would have no regrets afterwards
She is a dishonored warrior that murdered her compatriots before, The only reason she doesnt wanna fight everyone is because More people siding with Miquella is everything to Her but this has happened before and She ended up murdering them all.
@@tuvergalarga6144yeah Leda is a character who deserved to die, she's one of the most evil NPCs in elden ring alongside Gideon ofnir and varrè.
I love the way it was orchestrated and executed
If you summon Sir Ansbach and Thollier in this fight and they die, can you still summon them for the final boss?
Yes.
I expected freya and leda to do something bad, especially leda since she was ready to mistrust her allies so fast. But i didn't expect moore, dane and hornsent (i helped him against leda and then i helped him to get his revenge on messmer) to join them. Moore probably hit the hardest. Fuck man, such a brilliant fight from story perspective, if you properly interacted with npcs beforehand. And the ost makes it even sadder. Tarnished just keep suffering on their way to lordship even despite most of them going for greater good of all.
In case you don’t know, Leda is actually a psychopath. Her sword description said that she basically murdered her whole battalion of knights who served Miquella alongside her. I’m not surprised that she quickly turn on you, Ansbach and Thiollier
That's the first thing I thought when she said she wanted to kill hornsent.
"You and I, fighting" "A tragedy, this is" 🎭 1:21
Ansbach is such a cool character, a true comrade to stand against the impossible with. Mohg deserved better indeed
Thioller is truly a champion in the DLC. Sir Ansbach is epic on his own but the boy coming to terms with his own doubts is beautifully displayed but also that voice acting for him needs to be cemented as the the best one, maybe, in the entire Elden Ring cast.
Hmm.. I only had a 3v1 at this stage.
You have to do quests to get allies, but also enemies. In my first run, it was just Leda, Hornsent and Dryleaf Dane against me. In my second, I had Thiollier and Ansbach on my side, but Leda also had Freyja and Moore
@@the_infinexos Leda and Dryleaf Dane will always be there as your enemies, the rest of the characters will all depend on the way you complete their quests.
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Same for me during my run but how the heck are you already on multiple runs
@@guardianvalor962bro I did almost 100% of the dlcs in 2 days, every single boss and cave, 90% of armors and weapons, lvl 200 on ng+, now I'm going to ng++, it's called having no life
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dude, you didn't have to demean yourself that badly. jesus
This battle is my favorite Fromsoft moments. To be at the center of a civil war among your companions like this is so epic but also bittersweet. I love how the NPCs speak with each other and not just through the player. Peak Fromsoft NPC execution
You and I fighting…. Tragedy this it… broke me
Ansbach gave me pride on basing my character as a blood cultist (yeah I know, easy mobe baby build, shut up), at the end I was like "YEAH, FOR MOHG!"