Varn Vlog: Julian Assele on the Paradoxes of Alasdair MacIntyre

Jules is back again. Julian Assele ( @Catholicclod) is a writer and researcher who writes on socialism and Marxism. We discuss the work and life of the seemingly immortal Alasdair MacIntyre.
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[@allypoum]

Not so sure about the human exclusivity of "anti-flourishing" behaviour. Recently read a thing about how one of John C. Lily's mistreated dolphins basically went on hunger strike and ended up committing suicide by lying at the bottom of their tank until suffocating. Might be apocryphal but to me it rings true.

[@OliverHensley]

Really cool convo thank you

[@Jimunculi]

I picked up Mcintyre's 'Engagement With Marxism' and have been reading an essay here and there for the last couple of months after watching this. Only reading one or two essays at a time, not because it's heavy going or I can't get into it etc., but literally because of the opposite: it's actually briliantly simple, but every essay is so profound and relevant. I read one and then essentially spend the next few days meditating on it. It's brought about such a shift in me that I don't think I can quite comprehend or speak on it yet. It's superb.
Pick it up.

[@Roland00]

33:50 is Virtue ethics … the same as being Roman or Masculinity?
By which I mean not in the way we literally everyday mean those 3 things, but instead it is the idea of a normative default and then an exceptional version that the social recognises and valorises. In Latin there are other words for man, but a Roman is a special man. Masculinity is not asking if one is male, but are you exceptional or some other code. Likewise the same with Virtue. Family resemblances with other words and then saying this word is chosen for some form of exceptionality (as seen by others, a higher tension of “work” that is rewarded.)

[@austintierney4828]

if its "Roman" its Virtù..a notion revived by Machiavelli in contrast to a strictly Christian view of the virtues which do emphasize morality as opposed to strength for example.

[@Roland00]

@@austintierney4828 Yep, I am referencing that specifically but also people before and after that man 🙂

[@TheBlindGeek]

FYI "After Virtue" is included in an Audible subsciption riht now. :)

[@SeekingApatheia]

Anyone interested in Critical Theory ought to consider getting familiar with MacIntyre.

[@marczilbert]

Commenting to help with the algorithm

[@PalaeoJoe]

My Grandmother is Alasdier's age

[@michaelras1818]

the dog example does not hold in my experience. ( around minute: 31:15 the dog thinks here is a steak, i am hungry etc):
a friend of mine living in a kind of trailer park had two dogs and their barking annoyed the neighbors especially when he wasnt home. so one day they gave them poisoned food. one dog died, the other was sick for a long time but eventually recovered. since then he was very cautious of food that other people gave him. from some people he never accepted food, from others eventually after checking with his owner, etc. it was not a simple procedere where you could easily tell when he accepted food and when not. it definately seemed multivariate

[@VarnVlog]

Yeah, I think I don't share MacIntyre's (or Jule's) belief that dogs don't have basic abstract thought.

[@VarnVlog]

In fact, I think most mammals probably have the rudiments of abstract thinking as do quite a few birds.

[@austintierney4828]

So uh whats the matter with Protestantism?

[@VarnVlog]

Economics is a Protestant superstition ;)