8 Different Ways to Self Land your Foil Kite
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ม.ค. 2020
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Kite equipment: Flysurfer Soul 10m, Infinity 3.0 bar, rider 185 lbs.
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I’m new to foil kites and this has really helped me. Landed my 12 M in 18 knots using backstall at the side and walking fast upwind method no problem , the kite still had plenty of power but the comment earlier about moving towards the kite halved the load making it easy .Beach here is full of rocks but the kite is hardly moving when landing after practice 👍
Been waiting for this type of video for ages. Thanks so much Jason.
Thanks so much Jason, I am new to foil kites and this has opened up more landing options.
Incredibly useful! Thx for taking the time.
Thanks for this video, it s a master piece for new foil kiters like me. It's very confusing to self landing with a foil kite when you come from common kites
Always a great reference video for me. Thanks!
Great one Jason! Well done and thx so much. Big Kudos from Germany
Awesome video, thank you for putting it together
thanks for the insightful techniques
Thanks for sharing with us your knowhow!
Great Video. Good tips bro
Thanks this is very useful!
Thanks, this is great! 🤙
Great instructional video. I really appreciate all the information about foil kites. As much as I have good understanding of most aspects of foil kite specific techniques, there is one thing that I would like to hear your opinion at. This applies to Flysurfer Speed 5 and also some of the previous versions of their lineup. So, FDS or FLS? I have used both on my Speed5's and FDS seems to be less "violent" on the kite, especially in larger sizes, 15-21m after pulling the safety, (infamous loops smacking kite on the ground in high winds), also less tangles imo and easier re-launch. Also FDS connects directly to canopy, separate bridel for 5th line, so bridles are not getting stretched. After three years of flying foils, only reason to pull safety for me was to land when wind picked up to the point where self landing was really sketchy and no one around to help. Only once safety was deployed on water. FLS on 8m Speed- when main line snapped but that was a full packdown, no re-launch. I have tried FDS on water in ultra low wind with 21m Speed5 and it was really smooth incl re-launch but conditions were ideal so this is not a real life test. What are your thoughts on this matter Jason?
I agree the FDS seems to be a better solution, especially if you try to recover/relaunch after pulling to safety. I'm just not a fan of the extra 5th line(I really also dislike the mini 5th line on the FLS). I'm like you and the only time I pull to safety now is to land and by keeping your lines on the ground, it does help reduce the looping. I don't think there's a FDS conversion out there for the Soul/Sonics but I know you could get one for the Speeds. I bought one for my Lotus 10m but never ended up installing it. I just don't use the safety that much. Greatly appreciate your feedback!
Thanks Jason for all those great learnings. I wonder what's are the 3 spots you like the most to ride around Corpus Christi? My teenagers and I are new to Texas, we are looking to join the kiteboarding riders during the weekends and get some great practice times in shalow waters. Cheers!
In corpus for sure Wildcat, good group of riders there and they do a bay crossing which is fun. It’s usually shallow flat water, just wear foot protection because of the shells. For waves I like the jetty which is on North Padre island.
There’s a very good chance I’m moving out there this winter so maybe I’ll be seeing you out on the water.
thanks a lot for the video
Excellent video, thanks! A couple questions:
1. once the kite is on the ground can you have too much "back stalling"?
2. I'd really like to see you finish out the surf landing.
3. If you have something solid to hook to can you tether the kite & park it on its wing tip like an LEI?
thanks again!
1. Yes you can have too much backstall. What will happen is the trailing edge will flip up. This can be a problem because it can cause the kite to relaunch and rotate.
2. I’ll try to do that next time but really there’s not much more. The kite will stick to the water or the weight of the water inside will weight it down.
3. No a foil kite will not park like a LEI.
Thanks Jason, some great tips there. Which side do you land the kite to use the safety? ie if safety runs to the left, is it better to land to the left or right? I've done both and had trouble with flapping a lot to both sides even keeping the lines low. Cheers, Sascha
Really for me the side I pull for safety is more about the beach and room than which side it's connected to. If you do tend to use it a lot I would recommend switching sides frequently(swapping front lines) so you don't get uneven bridle stretch. If you can, keep the lines on the ground but in higher winds the kite will still flap. Usually though this isn't too hard to untangle pretty quickly.
Love your videos. I have a couple questions if you don't mind. Last couple days been crazy overpowered snow kiting with a 6m Firefly (single skin hybrid). had to use safety to land and had a lot of spinning. Is it best to just punch out or pull safetly line with some control? the bar i'm using is a flysurfer infinity 3 race that i've modified. Using 15m lines, how much flag out length should i allow for?
Today i set up a stopper ring allowing about 6m of flag out on the safety line. Thanks Mike
Thank you! The SS foils are a little different of a beast. If you can bring an ice spike and anchor the kite, you should be able to walk up the lines and self land it that way.
Flag out length I think should be at least half the foil length. The firefly might be different though. Good idea to try a couple different lengths. To help spot the spinning, pull the safety with some control, so I mean at the wind window edge, and quickly run upwind to help keep the kite from twisting. Also keeping the flagout line as close to the ground as possible helps reduce the spinning as well.
Thanks for that, really helpful. I particularly like the method of YOU running up wind when landing the kite to the side of the wind window. I'll be trying that one out. I often have a big plastic tent peg that I angle and push into the sand and use that as an anchor, and then make my way to the kite. If the kite pulls out the peg I'll grab the nearest lines to me and flag the kite out.
Thanks, yea the backstalling at the wind window edge and running upwind is what I use most of the time. Kite moves less on the ground.
Hi Pari, and you wrap the back-lines around the big plastic tent peg? Do you use this method also in stronger winds (>12kt)? What’s the size of your kite?
@@balooa7133 Hi there. No, for stronger winds I use the method commented on above and I started using it after I watched this video. I steer the kite to the edge of the wind window and pull the chicken loop release whilst holding onto my safety leash near the chicken loop end so as not to stretch it unnecessarily, and run up wind rather then let the kite flow downwind too much. Seems to work well. Also hold the leash end to the ground, this helps the kite settle down quicker.
@@balooa7133 Forgot to say I have a 12m Soul
Hi see in method #1 when you backstoll the kite, you do not keep any pressure on the bar (front lines), however in method #2 you keep pressure on the bar, whilte backstolling the steering lines. Why in #1 you don't push the bar and in #2 you do push the bar ? thanks)
Thanks Jason, watched this 3x with first 15m soul on the way...curious what do u think max wind is on foil and twin tip with 15m?
th-cam.com/video/tst1PNZAf7Q/w-d-xo.html&t
Depends on your weight. The 15m gets over powered pretty quickly on hydrofoil so I’d say around 15kts. On twintip I’ve taken it out in 25kts without any hassle and the jumps are quite lofty ;-). Enjoy the 15m, I really loved mine.
What is the best way to correct when your tip of the kite loose air and fols in the air? Last time that happened the web tangled arounds the tip.
Sheet in/slightly backstall the kite. This will help reinflate the tips. If you do end up tangling on wing tip, a hard pull on that side steering line will usually help de tangle it.
Hi Jason great video I have a 7m soul and have no problem backstalling and landing on the beach, it’s only when I walk up the lines about half way it all goes wrong and I have to grab one centre line and walk the rest of the way with it flapping. I’m using a Cabrinha bar and not Hooking onto a stationary object. I guess the bar doesn’t help but is it critical to hook onto an object ? Cheers
This is in 25-30knot winds I haven’t tried in less yet
In that strong of wind, certainly attaching to a fixed point would definitely help. What I do to help have a better grip is twist my hands which creates more tension on the lines. You can see this in the video. To help reduce flapping if you have to grab only one line, try to keep the line as close to the ground as possible. This helps prevent spinning as well.
Thanks for this, do you always punch to safety if you're alone and need to land alone and the wind is moderate to high?
No I usually use the second method most often. Only when I’m really over powered is when I’ll pull to Safety.
@@adventure-logs yah I always try to avoid a solo landing, but because explaining to a passer by, a 100% non kiter, is way easier than assisted landing an LEI, I have dog walkers and teeny old ladies walking their poodles helping me out lol
Well done. I'm wondering if u have tried flagging off the kite while sitting on the ground at the edge of the wind window? It's a little more work meaning u have to release ur chicken loop and pulling in either ur red or green depending in which one is more upwind. Then walk towards the kite while hold red or green. Yes the kite does spin around and can get messy but no way will it take off on u. You can even flag off if the kite is directly in the power zone or sitting on leading edge upside down. Thanks good job
Forgot to mention that also means releasing ur safety completely detached from kite and the only line in ur hand is the one of the steering lines.
The only thing I have against that is the kite is going to move a lot on the beach which means more wear on the fabric and you’re going to get a bigger mess with the lines. It’s why I’ll quickly move upwind once flagging the kite out. Less kite movement on the ground.
I would recommend a 9th option which works fine in strong and gusty wind! I used this method with my 15m Soul up to 20kts . It was recommended by a great French expert of foil kite practicing for years on very gusty lake with lot of trees and dangerous obstacles on any shore including people sun bathing on the small beach! His method: Backstall on the edge as explained on option 2. In case of big gust just when on the ground, move the kite down to the leading edge (instead of trailing edge) and wait that gust reduces. During this time remove the kite leach , grab the front line linked to the tail which was first on the ground and be prepared to grab your chicken loop and remove it from your hook. When gust ends if there was, just unhook with opposite hand holding the front line and throw the chicken loop away. From this moment you only grab the kite from one front line and you must go to the kite quite quickly, with your good technic to change hand when the other is well secured, but keeping the line rather close of the floor than high. When at the kite, just grab it normally. This action is quite similar to the option of releasing the safety but in a very more controlled way, avoiding the kite to fly up, to twist... As you recommended this method need a good training in light wind to avoid any surprise or mistake in stronger conditions. You may wear gloves if you are not confident in your fast line grabbing technic. Feel free to feedback your views😎
What is the theory clipping the safety to the 4 lines and not the chicken loop in the car rim example?
That gives the ability to keep the proper amount of back(steering) line tension to keep the kite backstalled as you walk up the lines.
I am wondering if it's possible to land it using one steerng line instead of back stulling it with both
You can but you run into the problem where the kite with constantly spin making a big mess with your bridle and lines.
Hello, great video. I am looking fir my first foil kite, what brands or kites would you recommend? Thank you
That’s easy, Flysurfer. Over built kites with a great warranty support. Check out the Flysurfer Soul.
I am new to kitesurfing, should I get a 10 M or 13 M? I am 175 lbs and just for free ride. What would you recommend? Thank you
@@tomlam3680 Since you are new I recommend a Flysurfer Soul in 12m
As he mentioned: Flysurfer is the way to go. The Soul is a really easy to handle kite. Most of the kite schools use them for training. The size depends on which wind strength you wanna ride... the bigger ones are for light winds. A soul 15m is good at about 5-6 knts when you want to foil. But if your abilities aren't that good you better choose a size smaller.
There are more brands like ozone or Doutone (Capa), but their products are more for high performance. You can't do nothing wrong with a Soul for sure.
learning so much from your videos. one question. after pulling the safety, which lines to you take to walk up to the kite?
@@adventure-logs Great Video! I have got the same question regarding landing method #8, pulling the safety when the kite is at the edge of the wind window. So while holding the safety line, you walk to the bar. But in this case it looks like that you only grab some of the lines and not all of them. It looks like you grab the lines which are connected to the tip of the kite, that is closer to you.
And when you walk up holding the lines to the kite, you are still connected via the safety leash? How do you avoid that the bar doesn’t get tangled between the lines behind you?
Isn’t it enough to hold and walk to the kite just and only via the safety line?
@@balooa7133 Baloo, thanks for the feedback! I mistyped the eariler response. When pulling the safety, you only need to walk up that line. I like to stay hooked in incase the kite gets out of my hands. That way it doesn't fly away. You really don't have to worry too much about it tangling up, try it a couple times and you'll see its not much of an issue. To help this you can kinda offset your walk up the kite so you aren't right on top of the other lines. Helps keep it separate. Also remember to try to keep the line as close to the ground as possible. This will help reduce flapping and the kite spinning. You may still get some tangles but really if you need to use the safety to land, it means you are way overpowered and are basically out of other choices.
@@adventure-logs Cristal clear! Many many thanks Adventure Logs! Safety first and being prepared for more challenging situations; that’s all about and that’s why I am asking these questions.
That’s why your video and “teaching method” is so great!
@@adventure-logs Hi Jason, many many thanks again! I've practiced today the landing by pulling the safety and by pulling both steering lines (at around 8 knots and at the edge of the wind window). Landing via the safety and walking to the kite via the safety line was indeed not a big deal! It went very easy and I indeed did not have any "major"/challenging issues with tangled lines. Not at the bridles and also not at the flying lines and the bar! Cool!
Landing by pulling both steering lines went also quite good. I had some sidewards movement of the kite, but I will probably be able to fix that by improving my upwind running movement. Walking then to the kite by holding all lines is also very easy (in this condition).
Of course I will need to keep on practicing these skills in stronger winds.
Now I see how perfect and skilled (with lots of feeling and "finesse") you handle and land the kite.
Beautiful to see and very nice that you share this with us!!!
@@balooa7133 Great to hear it's working well for you. Practice makes perfect!
How many knots was it there?
great presentation, thank you. ..i notice you don't depower the kite before landing....is this not necessary?
The reason I trim for full power is so I can more easily backstall the kite on the landings. With it de powered, you would need to pull the steering lines even more to have it back stalled correctly. Practice this in light winds till you know how much is needed.
@@adventure-logs ok i get it thanks
@@adventure-logs Great tip, to practice how much pull is necessary on the brakes to get a “clean” and “soft” landing !!
Do you always leave your bar attached?
I needed my bar for another foil kite annd detached it coiled the lines and put them on the kite to fold. Next time one side the bridal unraveled nicely, the other side turned into a mess.
8 hours later to untanngle it. never again.
I would like to be able to have a bar per kite but with my Peaks I've been switching a lot. What I do is basically put the 4 ends in a slip knot which keeps those lines together, and fold it over the kite like you would with a bar. Then roll the kite up like normal. Works for me everytime.
Hey Jason, I have a spot that is a large gravel parking lot with wind between 15-20. I don't want to use any of the techniques that drag the kite on the gravel. Straight downwind backstall will work but only in lighter winds. What about fixed point while kite is high, let it drift to edge while you run over and land it? Works in my head, haven't tried it.
The problem with that is the kite usually won't stay put and you risk it relaunching on it's own and causing even more problems. You can try to fly it into a pole or something similar to allow the kite to lay against while you run up. Or just land it in the water and dry it out after your session is done.
Thanks Jason , I'm looking at buying my first depower kite after flying a 4M Peter Lynn for kite skiing. Can you tell me anything about how the depower system works on a foil kite and if it is different than a LEI kite. Also I weigh about 155 lbs and have the opportunity to buy two older model flysurfer pulse's . 13M & 17M . Just wondering if I should start out with a 9 or 10M as I will just be using it on the snow ..... I believe :) Lastly I know the price is right for older equipment but how much has the safety systems improved and should I just shell out the money and get newer gear. Thanks again ! Todd
The depower works much differently on a foil kite since it also changes its camber, not just angle of attack like on a LEI. At the bottom of this I'll put a link that shows Flysurfer's triple depower. Safety systems have definitely improved over the years but if you are just using it on the snow it's not as important. What's more important is older foil kites have issues with their bridles. The lines shrink and you end up losing a significant amount of performance sometimes to the point of unsuitability. If you are looking at the Pulse 2, that's over 10 years old and I would be very careful about buying one. That's a lot of time/wear on a foil kite and it's most likely going to fly like crap and take a hung amount of time to make new. What's great though about foil kites, especially flysurfer with their adjustable mixer, is if you are willing to take the time to measure out every line and replace what's needed, you can get it close to newer performance. But I bet you'll be replacing lines which will cost money, you might be better off getting a Speed 4/5 instead, especially if you want to eventually get it out on the water. Another thing to inspect is the fabric. I bet it's lost a significant amount of its airtightness and it's more brittle. This will cause it to lose its shape more easily and if you ever crash it, much more likely to tear. You can test this by putting your mouth on the fabric and either blowing out or sucking it. There should be a large amount of resistance, if not then it's bad. Here's the link to the depower.
th-cam.com/video/uygBhdNdUtk/w-d-xo.html
THANKS FOR THE TIPS JASON, JUST GETTING INTO FOIL KITING SO I CAN KITE YEAR ROUND AT WILDCAT PARK IN PORTLAND TX. I HAVE A 12M HYPERLINK. AT 11MPH, HOW HARD IS IT GOING TO PULL ON THE #1 BACK STALL LANDING TECHNIQUE WHEN IT GOES THROUGH THE POWER ZONE? IM OVER 200P SO I CAN GIVE A FAR AMOUNT OF RESISTANCE. I PLAN ON USING THE 2ND TECHNIQUE MORE OFTEN OR HAVING SOMEONE ASSIST AND HAVE BEEN PRACTICING THOSE BUT HAVENT HAD ANY LIGHT WIND DAYS YET WHERE I WASNT WORKING TO PRACTICE THE BACK STALL ONE...THANKS, JOHN
With your weight it will help but you'll be surprised by the pull the kite can produce through the power zone. I only use that method in lighter winds like 12kts or less(on like a 11m or smaller). It looks like I'll be moving down to the Corpus area this Nov/Dec, so maybe I'll see you out on the water.
When you walk with towards the kite keeping tension on all 4 lines, how come the kite doesnt' get power? When we kite we also keep tension in all the lines and the kite is fully powered. I thought the only way to kill power is to keep tension in only 1 line? would be nice to have an explanation how 4 lines tensin kill power?
because you have shortened the rear/steering lines so the kite is essentially backstalled. Keeping tension on only 1 line will cause the kite to spin which will end up tangling the bridle lines.
pri jakem vetru sde dat pristavat soul 15.....pri backstall in powerzone......how wind
посмотрел бы я на все эти методы посадки в нормальный (сильный) ветер... в большинстве своем всё это работает только в той или иной степени...
spin kite upside down leading edge landing down softly by reverse stall, walk to it while pulling the center lines only, halfway through loop the center lines around your neck then pull one steering line to relaunch ;-) thanks for these tips, be safe all
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how about in stronger winds?
same concepts depending on the situation. In stronger winds I'll usually do the backstall at the edge of the wind window while while walking upwind. Once directly upwind from the kite I may take a step or two towards the kite to remove to load. Works pretty well but takes practice.
@@adventure-logs thanks for your reply!!
Walking to the lines like this is dangerous. Take two good groundstakes secure the bar and backlines. Walk to kite and get it, and secure or put in the bag
I disagree. Been using these methods for decades. Plus ground stakes can easily come out, don't work for all beaches, and is just more gear you don't need to bring with you. But you do what works for you.
reverse land it (leading edge to the ground), attacj the loop to the burried board and go to your kite. snowkite or sandy beaches work well ( safety : low to mid wind range of your kite)
Absolutely not! This would greatly increase wear on your kite and make damaging it more likely. Also unsafe since it will still produce a good amount of pull and any amount of sheeting in would increase that. Never land it on its leading edge!
Self landing on beach is very risky, can easily damage the kite. Not cheap.
Take a buddy.
maybe you don't have a buddy one day. then you'll be happy how self-landing works
8 way and many same ways 😂 you show only 2 different methods the rest is the same. And some land methods are very dangerous you showed
Most landings are just variations of the same method just depending on the circumstance on which to use.
Which were dangerous? Perhaps in your lack of experience but as I state in the beginning, practice these in low winds and you'll discover they are pretty easy and safe even in higher winds.
I have two ways to use flyshit kites one has a drop cloth for painting other for dust control when I really want to enjoy kite foiling inflatable’s only unless you like spaghetti mess
Please show us on this doll where the bad kite touched you ;-)