And here's the thing. These throws are the uniting force between all chinese martial arts. These are found in taijiquan, baguazhang, xingyiquan and etc.
@@MrCBTman Thanks for your response. My experience with various Chinese martial arts has been more aligned with the OP's experience. Shuai jiao has been filling in many gaps. You must have had some particularly experienced instructors. Are you happy to share their names? I'd be interested in seeing some video of their forms and applications.
Hi Chadi, another great video, you can see how jujutsu and this art had effected the growth of the grappling aspects of Okinawan karate/Okinawan Sump as well.
I heared that Tai Chi or actually most chinese martial arts where meant for grappling at first - that is what i heared i bleive at Jesse Enkamps Channel
6:26 is a variant of one of the applications for either moves 8 & 9 (or 9 & 10 depending in style) of Tekki/Naihanchi Shodan in karate. Move 8, or 9, gets your arms into an obvious arm/elbow lock of the opponent and then move 9, or 10, is a “returning wave kick” while twisting your upper body to the side. In which case the kick is a foot sweep.
8:10 I feel like this technique could also be interpreted as throwing the opponent backwards, using kawasu gake, rather than throwing him forewards, like an Uchi Mata (although I don't know what the accompanying text tells you to do). Similar techniques are shown in historical european sources about wrestling. I didn't know about this chinese manual yet, thank you for sharing this!
Hoy en día nos hemos dado ,cuenta que muchas luchas que se asemejan al judo ,tanto el wrestling europeo ,o el asiático tienen casi las mismas técnicas de lanzamiento donde está el éxito de kano en buscar un método ,donde el lanzamiento sea más fácil de aplicar sin tanta fuerza,el judo y lo creo ,deciende mucho del zumo del kimarite ,si el sumo le quitamos ese sistema de competencia y le ponemos el sistema de judo ,sería prácticamente un judo ,es más todas las técnicas de base del judo están en zumo ,también hay otras que se crearon a partir del judogui ,lo que es un sello de los japoneses es el trabajo de suelo el newaza ese trabajo profundo es propio de los japoneses , es más sepuensa que kano desarrollo el kataguruma apartir de la lucha eropea olímpica ,y si buscamos en sumo ya ellos asían el kataguruma y es un wrestling de ellos ,en judo está el kawasu gake ,donde nace esta técnica prohibida en judo del sumo ,quien era kawasu un luchador de sumo especialista en esta técnica , para mu criterio han habido dos ramas del jiujitsu ,una deciende del sumai y la otra de estilos chinos como el chicna , es solo un criterio de un practicante de jiujitsu japonés
The real merit of Jujutsu is the ground fighting more in beginning of Edo period with randori and the end of this period sport randori competitions, the rest almost came from chinese martial arts : throws, weapon (katana from old chinese sword), striking and standing locks. Some ground aspects maybe came from chinese arts but japanese developed a lot in Jujutsu and then in Kosen Judo competitions (sankaku and a lots of guards).
None of this is correct we don't have evidence for the beginning of the Edo period, the rest absolutely not, there are throws that do not exist in Chinese martial arts or vice versa, katana does not come from an old Chinese sword but rather takes more influence from wanto originated from who lived in Northern Japan, there are also a lot lot more weapons used than katana, the majority of Japanese weapons or martial arts do not have origin or influence from China, same thing regarding striking or standing locks.
@@trashbasementproductions223I have no idea who this bruno person is, I looked him up and found nothing, literally everybody knows karate is a mix of native Okinawan martial arts, Chinese arts and Japanese arts, it didn't even originated from mainland Japan, is not the case for jujutsu.
@@trashbasementproductions223I have no idea who that person is, I couldn't find anything on him, everybody knows karate is a mix of Okinawa native arts, Chinese arts and Japanese arts, it did not even originated from mainland Japan, this is not the case for jujutsu.
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You know what would be cool? If you could reproduce techniques in real life and film that.
That second variation at 2:22 blows my mind every time I see it. Incredibly interesting video, my friend.
And here's the thing. These throws are the uniting force between all chinese martial arts. These are found in taijiquan, baguazhang, xingyiquan and etc.
True but rarely trained and taught well.
@@catocall7323 Wrong.
@@MrCBTman With which part(s) of what he said do you disagree?
@@shanemadigan9011 I disagree that they are rarely trained or taught well.
@@MrCBTman Thanks for your response. My experience with various Chinese martial arts has been more aligned with the OP's experience. Shuai jiao has been filling in many gaps. You must have had some particularly experienced instructors. Are you happy to share their names? I'd be interested in seeing some video of their forms and applications.
Awesome. Thanks again Chadi for the indepth research. Very educational. 👍
Hi Chadi, another great video, you can see how jujutsu and this art had effected the growth of the grappling aspects of Okinawan karate/Okinawan Sump as well.
I heared that Tai Chi or actually most chinese martial arts where meant for grappling at first - that is what i heared i bleive at Jesse Enkamps Channel
Hi chadi, it would be great if you could talk about the jacketless style of shuai jiao, also known as shanxi style.
I'm also interested.
6:26 is a variant of one of the applications for either moves 8 & 9 (or 9 & 10 depending in style) of Tekki/Naihanchi Shodan in karate. Move 8, or 9, gets your arms into an obvious arm/elbow lock of the opponent and then move 9, or 10, is a “returning wave kick” while twisting your upper body to the side. In which case the kick is a foot sweep.
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8:10 I feel like this technique could also be interpreted as throwing the opponent backwards, using kawasu gake, rather than throwing him forewards, like an Uchi Mata (although I don't know what the accompanying text tells you to do). Similar techniques are shown in historical european sources about wrestling. I didn't know about this chinese manual yet, thank you for sharing this!
Better than what I found at Beijing National Library advising just the stiff-arm to the head as takedown defense
Love all your videos and I love your channel it combines martial arts and history my to favorite interests
Thank you
@chadi how have you not done a video on Gouren folk jacket wrestling in Brittany France yet ?!
what is technique at 8:26 pls?
The technique at 6:19, and some of the others seem more like aikido (jujinage of some kind) or tai chi than judo
Great video, i would love to see your opinion on the tenchijin ryaku no maki... it has many judo and aikido looking throws 💜
uff, before going to sleep to watch this video that sure promises
Hoy en día nos hemos dado ,cuenta que muchas luchas que se asemejan al judo ,tanto el wrestling europeo ,o el asiático tienen casi las mismas técnicas de lanzamiento donde está el éxito de kano en buscar un método ,donde el lanzamiento sea más fácil de aplicar sin tanta fuerza,el judo y lo creo ,deciende mucho del zumo del kimarite ,si el sumo le quitamos ese sistema de competencia y le ponemos el sistema de judo ,sería prácticamente un judo ,es más todas las técnicas de base del judo están en zumo ,también hay otras que se crearon a partir del judogui ,lo que es un sello de los japoneses es el trabajo de suelo el newaza ese trabajo profundo es propio de los japoneses , es más sepuensa que kano desarrollo el kataguruma apartir de la lucha eropea olímpica ,y si buscamos en sumo ya ellos asían el kataguruma y es un wrestling de ellos ,en judo está el kawasu gake ,donde nace esta técnica prohibida en judo del sumo ,quien era kawasu un luchador de sumo especialista en esta técnica , para mu criterio han habido dos ramas del jiujitsu ,una deciende del sumai y la otra de estilos chinos como el chicna , es solo un criterio de un practicante de jiujitsu japonés
"Degee" should be pronounced "Da大 De德 He合"
degee is the mongolian pronunciation. it means the hook. 就是钩子的意思. cheers.
The real merit of Jujutsu is the ground fighting more in beginning of Edo period with randori and the end of this period sport randori competitions, the rest almost came from chinese martial arts : throws, weapon (katana from old chinese sword), striking and standing locks. Some ground aspects maybe came from chinese arts but japanese developed a lot in Jujutsu and then in Kosen Judo competitions (sankaku and a lots of guards).
None of this is correct we don't have evidence for the beginning of the Edo period, the rest absolutely not, there are throws that do not exist in Chinese martial arts or vice versa, katana does not come from an old Chinese sword but rather takes more influence from wanto originated from who lived in Northern Japan, there are also a lot lot more weapons used than katana, the majority of Japanese weapons or martial arts do not have origin or influence from China, same thing regarding striking or standing locks.
@@eagle162 Bruno from Kosen Judo no Kenkyu have the evidence and katana came from old chinese version. You need to prove it, i can m0ngo !
@@trashbasementproductions223I have no idea who this bruno person is, I looked him up and found nothing, literally everybody knows karate is a mix of native Okinawan martial arts, Chinese arts and Japanese arts, it didn't even originated from mainland Japan, is not the case for jujutsu.
@@trashbasementproductions223I have no idea who that person is, I couldn't find anything on him, everybody knows karate is a mix of Okinawa native arts, Chinese arts and Japanese arts, it did not even originated from mainland Japan, this is not the case for jujutsu.
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This is the 2nd Move 大德合
for anyone interested, the Sifu uses the nickname "杀手小钢炮" as his channel name on several Chinese video platform. He teaches both Judo and Shuai Jiao.