Sad stuff that is interesting and important: When we hear the souls of the dead its their final thoughts. Ody's crew died blaming him for their death. Polites died still believing in greeting the world with open arms and Ody's mum died while waiting for him. Additionally, in some versions of the myth Ody's mum saw the ship get sucked into the storm and believing he died she threw herself of a cliff.
Blame Homer not Jorge for the ody bullying lol. Mom is cannon to the story. When he goes to the underworld she’s there… wait for him … and he tried to tell her he was there but she couldn’t see him… three times he reached out to her and three times his hand passed through her shade and she couldn’t sense him at all.
if you wanna cry further - the things they are saying here on the river as ghosts are, as canon confirmed by Jorge, what they were last thinking while/before dying
Part of the remember them tragedy and why Odysseus was so upset was because he wasn’t able to give Polites and the rest of them proper burials. Same with the men drowned by Poseidon. So those souls singing… they’re trapped at the entrance… unable to gain passage because they don’t have the burial coin/ fare for Charon etc. So they have to wait there a few hundred years…. Polites and all of them… are just waiting… and maybe even his mother (in common myth she sees his fleet get lost from the shore with the wind bag they were so close and she gets upset and drowns herself… so she prob didn’t get the coin too unless they found her body.
The no longer you means Ody won't be the same person he once was when he got home. Which immediately comes true in the next song when he says he'll be the monster. Ody doesn't get home. The monster he became is what will get home.
These are all the men who died under his command there’s also elpenor who fell off the roof of circes palace and died. The people killed by the cyclops are also here. And his mom who died waiting for him to come home. If you read the actual odyssey version of her death it’s worse. Her part is sang by jays mom too!
You know, everybody is discussing who's guiltier for their misfortune: Odysseus sparing the cyclops, those guys opening the bag they were told not to open, Eurylochus trying to kill the cows in his starving despair... But almost nobody points out than the main ones to blame here are the gods for being a bunch of d*cks.
12:52 THE CORO SAY: "Siren song, Scylla throat, mutiny, lightning bolt" you pause there 😔 13:05 "fight/run/row(?) Posidon, kill all the sailors for love" And in the end of the song the coro go "Oddy-seos" 2 times and the song ends XD NO LONGER YOU IT'S SO GOOD
If you go back and listen, I think the lyric is in “Survive,” Odyssey says that once they kill the cyclops then they can go home, and then he doesn’t kill the cyclops and most don’t make it home….
And yes, odysseus mom died waiting for him in these 12 years he has been gone. :C what the prophet means with 'no longer you' means that Ody changes a LOT through the journey, and is not who he currently still believes he is
Idk if this has been said but it probably has but when the bag of wind was opened they could actually see Ithaca, they were extremely close to making it home maybe like an hour of sailing though it’s could be more or less, and the people could see their ships which is why his mum killed herself as she saw the ships get swelled and believed that her son had died (well in some versions of the myth). That why when it’s revealed who opened the bag it’s such a devastating blow as they could see the docks and were literally so close and then they were sent on a journey that killed them all
It's tricky bc i'm inclined to agree with you on him being more ruthless longer ago except we wouldn't have gotten our men out of the Circe saga if we did that.
'that one decision messed up his entire fleet' yeah, imagine if we had a divine entity telling us it was a fucking stupid idea and got vilified by the entire fandom for it 😅
5:16 It wouldn't matter if Eurylochus opened the wind bag or not because Poseidon could have easily drowned all of Ithaca which is Ody's kingdom. I'm not saying Eurylochus wasn't at fault, but Odysseus could have been home way sooner if he had killed the cyclops
I don’t blame odysseus for anything, he made all the right calls in the Troy Saga and the cyclops saga. Besides, how the hell is he supposed to kill a cyclops by himself? If the crew, including Odysseus attempted to kill it, then the other cyclops would’ve most likely noticed and killed the whole crew. The ocean saga, everything was going great until that one person opens the bag. Then the Circe saga where all the decisions are 100% valid.
He made ALMOST all the right choices. His one mistake was telling the cyclops his name. Athena wouldn't have been happy, but as long as he left without giving out his business card I don't think she would have said goodbye. But she knew that his hubris in that moment was going to result in the deaths of his crew. That's why she left, because she thought he was smarter than that. He let his emotions in that moment win out over his mind, which goes directly against everything she taught him. In that moment, he was no longer a warrior of the mind.
@@ShiroRiya I agree with your point, but in his defense his best friend died at best a few minutes ago and if Athena left Ody alone then he wouldn’t have foolishly revealed his identify.
@@FlamingThunderGod2048 she tried to warn him, though. He broke out of her time manipulation to yell at the cyclops. He didn't give her a chance to explain why it was a bad idea. He said no, and then worked himself up, and instead of controlling his emotions and giving his mentor time to mentor him, he acted out of anger. THAT is why she left. And you assume that he wouldn't have done it without her conversation with him, but in the original Odyssey he only reveals his name out of anger and pride, Athena was not involved. So he would have done it anyway.
@@ShiroRiya bro he was already ina state of shock from losing polites and previously having to kill someone he didnt want to (i.e. the infant) and Athena just adding on like mans was overwhelmed and frustrated and he said it in a fit of rage and shi. like not saying its right but its understandable fs
@@ShiroRiya Yeah, it's the glaring flaw in the structure of the entire story, really: his mistake with the cyclops wasn't actually one of mercy at all, but of hubris. The creator is trying to *make* it be about mercy instead, but he hasn't changed enough details of the story from the Homeric original to make that really track. He chooses to *open* the story with the murder of Astyanax, for heaven's sake! It doesn't really make much sense to open your story with an act of extreme ruthlessness, and then to continue on as if your protagonist's big problem is his...lack of ruthlessness? The narrative arcs here really just aren't shaped properly for the story that the creator seems to want to tell.
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Is it that hard to just eatch the damn video and talk about the parts you find interesting later???? I mean, he always paises every 20 secs and most of those time are in the middle of the chorus, which is the best part
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my fav part of the monster animatic is Penelope ripping polites's headband off ody. It shows he no longer is going to greet the world with open arms
“Is anyone in this story in the wrong?”
Yes, Zeus is wrong
ALWAYS
and Antinous lol
@@katethetiredone3990 ahh yes the suitor.... we he SPOILER dies so idgaf about him
Ody's voice is played by Jorge and Ody's Mum's voice is played by Jorge's mum
Sad stuff that is interesting and important: When we hear the souls of the dead its their final thoughts. Ody's crew died blaming him for their death. Polites died still believing in greeting the world with open arms and Ody's mum died while waiting for him.
Additionally, in some versions of the myth Ody's mum saw the ship get sucked into the storm and believing he died she threw herself of a cliff.
Blame Homer not Jorge for the ody bullying lol. Mom is cannon to the story. When he goes to the underworld she’s there… wait for him … and he tried to tell her he was there but she couldn’t see him… three times he reached out to her and three times his hand passed through her shade and she couldn’t sense him at all.
if you wanna cry further - the things they are saying here on the river as ghosts are, as canon confirmed by Jorge, what they were last thinking while/before dying
Part of the remember them tragedy and why Odysseus was so upset was because he wasn’t able to give Polites and the rest of them proper burials. Same with the men drowned by Poseidon.
So those souls singing… they’re trapped at the entrance… unable to gain passage because they don’t have the burial coin/ fare for Charon etc.
So they have to wait there a few hundred years…. Polites and all of them… are just waiting… and maybe even his mother (in common myth she sees his fleet get lost from the shore with the wind bag they were so close and she gets upset and drowns herself… so she prob didn’t get the coin too unless they found her body.
The no longer you means Ody won't be the same person he once was when he got home. Which immediately comes true in the next song when he says he'll be the monster. Ody doesn't get home. The monster he became is what will get home.
These are all the men who died under his command there’s also elpenor who fell off the roof of circes palace and died. The people killed by the cyclops are also here.
And his mom who died waiting for him to come home. If you read the actual odyssey version of her death it’s worse.
Her part is sang by jays mom too!
Really, I’m still pissed of because of the person who open the wind bag THEY WERE SO CLOSE TO HOME😭
factsssssssssssss
You know, everybody is discussing who's guiltier for their misfortune: Odysseus sparing the cyclops, those guys opening the bag they were told not to open, Eurylochus trying to kill the cows in his starving despair... But almost nobody points out than the main ones to blame here are the gods for being a bunch of d*cks.
However, it might be a blessing in disguise because Poseidon would have just gone to Ithaca and exacted his revenge there.
@@TheTuneShifter he'll just do that anyways, either way its a bad outcome.
12:52
THE CORO SAY:
"Siren song, Scylla throat, mutiny, lightning bolt" you pause there 😔
13:05 "fight/run/row(?) Posidon, kill all the sailors for love"
And in the end of the song the coro go "Oddy-seos" 2 times and the song ends XD
NO LONGER YOU IT'S SO GOOD
If you go back and listen, I think the lyric is in “Survive,” Odyssey says that once they kill the cyclops then they can go home, and then he doesn’t kill the cyclops and most don’t make it home….
Ody doesn’t have a brother he has a sister and she’s eurylochus’s wife, so eurylochus is his brother in law.
So his brother?
3:12 The little Ajax.....
Odysseus: My wife Penelope and my son Telemachus
Shy Guy: OUR wife and son!
Your words specifically made him the monster (the bad guy)
And yes, odysseus mom died waiting for him in these 12 years he has been gone. :C what the prophet means with 'no longer you' means that Ody changes a LOT through the journey, and is not who he currently still believes he is
"Did Ody betray him or did he betray Ody?"
Hmm... Both. Both is good.
Idk if this has been said but it probably has but when the bag of wind was opened they could actually see Ithaca, they were extremely close to making it home maybe like an hour of sailing though it’s could be more or less, and the people could see their ships which is why his mum killed herself as she saw the ships get swelled and believed that her son had died (well in some versions of the myth). That why when it’s revealed who opened the bag it’s such a devastating blow as they could see the docks and were literally so close and then they were sent on a journey that killed them all
It's tricky bc i'm inclined to agree with you on him being more ruthless longer ago except we wouldn't have gotten our men out of the Circe saga if we did that.
the prophet singer is 18 years old... x)
The thing is tho,,, jorge isn’t even bullying ody😭 it’s what happens in the odyssey HDBSHAHHAD
Welcome to the Bully Odysseus Saga
'that one decision messed up his entire fleet' yeah, imagine if we had a divine entity telling us it was a fucking stupid idea and got vilified by the entire fandom for it 😅
To be fair Athena is a divine entity who did warn him
The way you tell Ody he needs to become the bad guy to avoid more of his man dying almost right before "monster" XDDDD
The fact that the choir is saying “siren song, Scyllas throat, mutiny, lighting bolt” is just a good attention to detail for the prophet
Jorge- who sings for Odysseus and writes the songs- his MOM sang for Odysseus's mom!
You have to remember that these animatics are not canon. They are all interpretations of the lyrics and music.
A lot of them actually are as the creator has given the animator’s inspiration and instructions
Trail of body could also be his crew or other people I won't specify because ✨️SPOILERS✨️
17:00
EHHHh poseidon :D
5:16 It wouldn't matter if Eurylochus opened the wind bag or not because Poseidon could have easily drowned all of Ithaca which is Ody's kingdom. I'm not saying Eurylochus wasn't at fault, but Odysseus could have been home way sooner if he had killed the cyclops
You did a good job
I don’t blame odysseus for anything, he made all the right calls in the Troy Saga and the cyclops saga. Besides, how the hell is he supposed to kill a cyclops by himself? If the crew, including Odysseus attempted to kill it, then the other cyclops would’ve most likely noticed and killed the whole crew. The ocean saga, everything was going great until that one person opens the bag. Then the Circe saga where all the decisions are 100% valid.
He made ALMOST all the right choices. His one mistake was telling the cyclops his name. Athena wouldn't have been happy, but as long as he left without giving out his business card I don't think she would have said goodbye. But she knew that his hubris in that moment was going to result in the deaths of his crew. That's why she left, because she thought he was smarter than that. He let his emotions in that moment win out over his mind, which goes directly against everything she taught him. In that moment, he was no longer a warrior of the mind.
@@ShiroRiya I agree with your point, but in his defense his best friend died at best a few minutes ago and if Athena left Ody alone then he wouldn’t have foolishly revealed his identify.
@@FlamingThunderGod2048 she tried to warn him, though. He broke out of her time manipulation to yell at the cyclops. He didn't give her a chance to explain why it was a bad idea. He said no, and then worked himself up, and instead of controlling his emotions and giving his mentor time to mentor him, he acted out of anger.
THAT is why she left. And you assume that he wouldn't have done it without her conversation with him, but in the original Odyssey he only reveals his name out of anger and pride, Athena was not involved. So he would have done it anyway.
@@ShiroRiya bro he was already ina state of shock from losing polites and previously having to kill someone he didnt want to (i.e. the infant) and Athena just adding on like mans was overwhelmed and frustrated and he said it in a fit of rage and shi. like not saying its right but its understandable fs
@@ShiroRiya Yeah, it's the glaring flaw in the structure of the entire story, really: his mistake with the cyclops wasn't actually one of mercy at all, but of hubris. The creator is trying to *make* it be about mercy instead, but he hasn't changed enough details of the story from the Homeric original to make that really track.
He chooses to *open* the story with the murder of Astyanax, for heaven's sake! It doesn't really make much sense to open your story with an act of extreme ruthlessness, and then to continue on as if your protagonist's big problem is his...lack of ruthlessness? The narrative arcs here really just aren't shaped properly for the story that the creator seems to want to tell.
Great Video !
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What can go wrong
Is it that hard to just eatch the damn video and talk about the parts you find interesting later???? I mean, he always paises every 20 secs and most of those time are in the middle of the chorus, which is the best part
Then go listen to the actual songs if you don't want to see/hear someone react and break down what they're hearing. 👋
*Watches a reaction video*
*Person in the reaction video reacts to the video*
'Bro what the fuck this is so annoying bro'