Oh my god, you did it! Thank you so much !! One of my favorite scriabin sonata, and played so greatly ! That interpretation is really amazing, one of the best i've seen... Wow !
A work of unfathomable beauty, an immobile portrait of the entire universe, the macabre, the luminous, like something ancient that has and will exist forever
@TomCL 2000 Yes, people do mention this sometimes. Though, I'd say it's only partially accurate to say I "sight-read" the piece. I go through the process of learning a piece just like anybody would (learning the notes, increasing the speed, phrasing, pacing, building a coherent interpretation, etc.) except I may rearrange some of the steps and I do everything much faster than most people do. Reading off the music during a recording is sometimes distracting from the positioning of my hands, but I mostly use the music to lead me and tell me what's coming up next. During a performance, I don't read every note off the page; I abstract groups of things in my head then decompress the information to my hands. Therefore, it's fair to say that I actually do memorize many things, but not so much that I don't need the music score to guide me. Perhaps someday I can spend some time on producing a video to describe my learning and performing process to the viewers of my channel... 😉
@@Musicforever60 If it’s not too much trouble, I’d love a video explaining your process. As much as I appreciate your modesty, it’s still incredible that you are able to learn such difficult music so quickly and efficiently.
I mean thank you so much for the upload. Your technique is great and your rubato fits the style of Scriabin. I like this sonata a lot, its motifs are fascinating and you played it with a nice interpretation. It is really surprising to see someone who learned and refined this monster in 13 hours. Can you play sonata 7 some day?
@Yağız. Thanks! It's usually the case that greater emotional attachment leads to more stylistic choices. I actually learned Piano Sonata #7 few years ago. It's certainly easier than the 8th, but I can't play it on my home piano because it's very aggressive at many points. I don't want to break strings, and I want to justly bring out the intensity of those points in the piece
@@SeigneurReefShark Maybe some day :). I'll put it as a priority maybe when I just want to relax and engage in learning the piece for a longer period of time.
Amazing video description, that's the way I also felt about the piece Great job for such a short while practicing. I'd recommend you split the fourths in two hands where possible, as it kinda sounds too harsh like this (I think they should sound pretty leggiero)
@Pavle Nikacevic Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely consider that if I record this again! Though, I think there's some limitations to the two-handed approach in the second half of the piece, where both hands are active alongside the fourths
@@Musicforever60 in those parts you play fourths with one hand; as you said, there's another voice on top of them, so even if they don't sound as good, it's a bit covered up by another voice
Based on technique alone, I think "Gaspard de la nuit" is more challenging. However, based on the difficulty of artistic interpretation and the precision of the artistic rendition, the piano sonata here is much more challenging. In general, in the mainstream, it's well-accepted that Scriabin's late piano sonatas are among the most holistically challenging with regards to compositions by composers around and before 1910.
@@Musicforever60 I see, that motivates me a bit to keep reading it, because I have a relatively bad technique but a good expressiveness and I am quite used to Scriabin's language. The section with big left hand jumps that you mention and the recapitulation in general scares me a bit tho, but I guess it is possible with time. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope you are having a wonderful day. ^^
How long did this piece take to learn? It seems like very difficult material to not only memorise, but also to play proficiently. I was originally working on Scriabin’s 4th sonata, but changed to learn Jeux D’eau - Ravel instead first, before tackling the beast that is his 4th sonata; this is what I am planning on learning after I hopefully learn both of those aforementioned.
@Shouya About 17 hours over about 2 weeks as noted in the video description. TH-cam just changed its video layout so it's hard to see where to open the description now. Also, didn't memorize it since I find memorization a waste of time since it just disappears with time. My favourite of Scriabin's piano sonatas. Hope you get the opportunity to try it out in the future as well!
I’m gonna try to start learning piece just like you do, as it is far more efficient; and to be honest, memorisation actually results in a distaste for the music the more I force my brain to learn Every... Single.... Note.
@Shouya I'd say my sight-reading skills have been pretty exceptional the whole time I've been playing piano. When I was younger, I'd spend time sight-reading all the Bach Toccatas and Beethoven Piano Sonatas for enjoyment, so I've gotten tons of practice with it. I suppose I should have mentioned that fact in my most recent video, so people have an even fuller picture of the necessary background abilities. Anyway, finding the patterns doesn't take the longest. If you were looking at any score, the longest most people (I'm guessing) would probably take to mark down all the patterns is maybe several hours. Really, the most time consuming part is linking up every part that's been practised in isolation and figuring out styling and expression at all scales. Those are less well defined than the things I talked about in the explanation video I made, so they're subject to experimentation. Does this answer your questions?
As I have seen that you're also quite experienced with Sorabji's nocturnes, I want to ask how difficult it is to learn them compared to this sonata. Sorabji is obviously more difficult, but if one can play this sonata by Scriabin, how far out would you say is Sorabji (e.g., Djami)? Thanks!
@Pavle Nikacevic Pretty far off. At the time of this recording, I found Nikolai Roslavets' Piano Sonata No.1 to be a challenge (which I ended up making a recording of). Then, the next challenge for me was Sorabji's Le Jardin Parfumé. Then, the next challenge was Djâmi. Then, the next challenge was Gulistān. When I say "challenge", I mean it was a genuine challenge, but when I passed each challenge, I had established a new baseline for my skills. So, to summarize, Djâmi is already several magnitudes more difficult than this sonata, and Gulistan even more so. Does this answer your question?
@@Musicforever60 thanks, that's a great answer. I'm now at the stage where I'm refining the 8th sonata, and it has felt like it's just the right level for where I am right now; challenging (especially the memorization aspect), but still within reach. I hope I'll get to Sorabji one day, if my head doesn't explode in the process
@Leo Miller Not entirely true, because some of the Chopin Études do have a certain degree of technical challenge to them, where I mean "challenge" as in "requiring a non-trivial amount of practice" (negligible compared to Sorabji's music however). Though, you'll never find me even trying them because they don't interest me at all so I would have no motivation to practice and refine them.
Very nice. However the quarts should be pianissimo, soft and just a whiff :) You play them very pronounced, but that can be done of course. Compare how Sofronitsky and Ashkenazy play it ... Many regards and respect
Enhanced version: th-cam.com/video/D7KdMNFqixs/w-d-xo.html
You did it! Arguably Scriabin's most complex sonata, and actually the last he finished... Outstanding performance as always
@Scriabin is my Dog Thank you! Might do a really awesome aforementioned piece next ;)
It's a secret though
My favourite Scriabin sonata, I didn't know you played this too! Your interpretation is superb!
One of my favorite piano sonatas. And this is such a beautiful performance of it. I'd love to listen to you playing the 10th.
Oh my god, you did it! Thank you so much !! One of my favorite scriabin sonata, and played so greatly ! That interpretation is really amazing, one of the best i've seen... Wow !
A work of unfathomable beauty, an immobile portrait of the entire universe, the macabre, the luminous, like something ancient that has and will exist forever
wow! I haven't heard this one in . . . ages, if ever, and I love it :3 truly amazing work, both you and Scriabin
You probably get this a lot, but it is quite remarkable that you sight-read this piece. I can’t even imagine having a brain capable of all that.
@TomCL 2000 Yes, people do mention this sometimes. Though, I'd say it's only partially accurate to say I "sight-read" the piece. I go through the process of learning a piece just like anybody would (learning the notes, increasing the speed, phrasing, pacing, building a coherent interpretation, etc.) except I may rearrange some of the steps and I do everything much faster than most people do. Reading off the music during a recording is sometimes distracting from the positioning of my hands, but I mostly use the music to lead me and tell me what's coming up next. During a performance, I don't read every note off the page; I abstract groups of things in my head then decompress the information to my hands. Therefore, it's fair to say that I actually do memorize many things, but not so much that I don't need the music score to guide me. Perhaps someday I can spend some time on producing a video to describe my learning and performing process to the viewers of my channel... 😉
@@Musicforever60 If it’s not too much trouble, I’d love a video explaining your process. As much as I appreciate your modesty, it’s still incredible that you are able to learn such difficult music so quickly and efficiently.
More Scriabin pleasee!
Одна из моих любимых сонат Скрябина да и вообще. Хорошее исполнение.
love your performances and musical taste! thx for the video🙌
Красивые руки. Отличное прикосновение. Атмосферно. Скрябин.
can youtube put ads before, not during these performances???????????????????? I feel like I'm hit in the head
I mean thank you so much for the upload. Your technique is great and your rubato fits the style of Scriabin. I like this sonata a lot, its motifs are fascinating and you played it with a nice interpretation. It is really surprising to see someone who learned and refined this monster in 13 hours. Can you play sonata 7 some day?
@Yağız. Thanks! It's usually the case that greater emotional attachment leads to more stylistic choices. I actually learned Piano Sonata #7 few years ago. It's certainly easier than the 8th, but I can't play it on my home piano because it's very aggressive at many points. I don't want to break strings, and I want to justly bring out the intensity of those points in the piece
@@Musicforever60 You are welcome! By the way, do you have discord?
@Yağız. I do, but I only use it infrequently for one purpose, so I don't regularly check it.
@@Musicforever60 Can you add me? I am really curious about your pianism, Yağız#1904
holy shit
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Very good, respect !
You're an absolute god.
Do you consider doing Medtner Night Wind sonata ? This masterpiece deserves someone like you!
@ReefShark I'd really want to, but my video recording equipment doesn't even record continuously for over 20 minutes :(
@@Musicforever60 what about doing like many recording and separating the piece in two parts?
@@SeigneurReefShark Maybe some day :). I'll put it as a priority maybe when I just want to relax and engage in learning the piece for a longer period of time.
Ohh yes, the night wind sonata is amazing and you would do it justice!
Really good man!
so good
Amazing video description, that's the way I also felt about the piece
Great job for such a short while practicing. I'd recommend you split the fourths in two hands where possible, as it kinda sounds too harsh like this (I think they should sound pretty leggiero)
@Pavle Nikacevic Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely consider that if I record this again! Though, I think there's some limitations to the two-handed approach in the second half of the piece, where both hands are active alongside the fourths
@@Musicforever60 in those parts you play fourths with one hand; as you said, there's another voice on top of them, so even if they don't sound as good, it's a bit covered up by another voice
How would you compare this piece in difficulty terms with other compositions by other composers before 1910? Maybe around "Gaspard de la nuit"?
Based on technique alone, I think "Gaspard de la nuit" is more challenging. However, based on the difficulty of artistic interpretation and the precision of the artistic rendition, the piano sonata here is much more challenging. In general, in the mainstream, it's well-accepted that Scriabin's late piano sonatas are among the most holistically challenging with regards to compositions by composers around and before 1910.
@@Musicforever60 I see, that motivates me a bit to keep reading it, because I have a relatively bad technique but a good expressiveness and I am quite used to Scriabin's language. The section with big left hand jumps that you mention and the recapitulation in general scares me a bit tho, but I guess it is possible with time.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope you are having a wonderful day. ^^
How long did this piece take to learn? It seems like very difficult material to not only memorise, but also to play proficiently.
I was originally working on Scriabin’s 4th sonata, but changed to learn Jeux D’eau - Ravel instead first, before tackling the beast that is his 4th sonata; this is what I am planning on learning after I hopefully learn both of those aforementioned.
@Shouya About 17 hours over about 2 weeks as noted in the video description. TH-cam just changed its video layout so it's hard to see where to open the description now. Also, didn't memorize it since I find memorization a waste of time since it just disappears with time. My favourite of Scriabin's piano sonatas. Hope you get the opportunity to try it out in the future as well!
I’m gonna try to start learning piece just like you do, as it is far more efficient; and to be honest, memorisation actually results in a distaste for the music the more I force my brain to learn Every... Single.... Note.
@Shouya I'd say my sight-reading skills have been pretty exceptional the whole time I've been playing piano. When I was younger, I'd spend time sight-reading all the Bach Toccatas and Beethoven Piano Sonatas for enjoyment, so I've gotten tons of practice with it. I suppose I should have mentioned that fact in my most recent video, so people have an even fuller picture of the necessary background abilities. Anyway, finding the patterns doesn't take the longest. If you were looking at any score, the longest most people (I'm guessing) would probably take to mark down all the patterns is maybe several hours. Really, the most time consuming part is linking up every part that's been practised in isolation and figuring out styling and expression at all scales. Those are less well defined than the things I talked about in the explanation video I made, so they're subject to experimentation. Does this answer your questions?
It doesn’t show you turning pages, so how are you sightreading it?
@@Musicforever60 Does that mean the 8th is your favourite or the 4th? I'm confused.
NIce
Played without memorization. Unbelievable.
@Leo Miller What exactly are you trying to say here?
@@Musicforever60 you stated in another thread you didn’t actually memorize this piece.
@Leo Miller yup, that's alright with you, I suppose?
@@Musicforever60 yes, hence the “unbelievable”. It was a simple observation.
@@leomiller2291 Oh, ok. Thanks :) It was just ambiguous to the meaning because it could have went both ways haha
As I have seen that you're also quite experienced with Sorabji's nocturnes, I want to ask how difficult it is to learn them compared to this sonata. Sorabji is obviously more difficult, but if one can play this sonata by Scriabin, how far out would you say is Sorabji (e.g., Djami)? Thanks!
@Pavle Nikacevic Pretty far off. At the time of this recording, I found Nikolai Roslavets' Piano Sonata No.1 to be a challenge (which I ended up making a recording of). Then, the next challenge for me was Sorabji's Le Jardin Parfumé. Then, the next challenge was Djâmi. Then, the next challenge was Gulistān. When I say "challenge", I mean it was a genuine challenge, but when I passed each challenge, I had established a new baseline for my skills. So, to summarize, Djâmi is already several magnitudes more difficult than this sonata, and Gulistan even more so. Does this answer your question?
@@Musicforever60 thanks, that's a great answer. I'm now at the stage where I'm refining the 8th sonata, and it has felt like it's just the right level for where I am right now; challenging (especially the memorization aspect), but still within reach. I hope I'll get to Sorabji one day, if my head doesn't explode in the process
@@Musicforever60 the Chopin Études must be trivially easy for you
@Leo Miller Not entirely true, because some of the Chopin Études do have a certain degree of technical challenge to them, where I mean "challenge" as in "requiring a non-trivial amount of practice" (negligible compared to Sorabji's music however). Though, you'll never find me even trying them because they don't interest me at all so I would have no motivation to practice and refine them.
Do you like toru takemitsu
Tiramisu is ok, I suppose
How did you memorize it
@pu pu Oh, I didn't memorize it. I'm actually looking at music. I find memorization an unnecessary pain and it's also temporary.
Very nice. However the quarts should be pianissimo, soft and just a whiff :) You play them very pronounced, but that can be done of course. Compare how Sofronitsky and Ashkenazy play it ... Many regards and respect