fangirls and stage favourites: who is held accountable when things go too far?
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I got nervous seeing Carrie in the thumbnail wondering what I missed, but I am glad she’s a positive example
YES
omg SAME
Same I was worried because I’ve been a fan of hers for ages
I think Carrie's success in this comes from her being one of the top UK TH-camrs at a time when TH-cam culture was at it's peak before she started landing her big roles, so she had that foundation of knowledge about how to use social media and interact with young fans that a lot of other performers don't get through just working in theatre
My heart skipped a beat when I saw Carrie's picture in the thumbnail, afraid she'd sided with Alice. I agree with you, she handles herself wonderfully, and is respectful and caring but with limitations. With the amount of abuse she receives, it's a feat that she is able to push forward so effortlessly.
Carrie is a very good example of telling her fans what is comfortable and a good level of interaction- so unproblematic
Because she knows what happens when people abuse their power.
she's great! I actually became a fan of her before even hearing her sing - found her through a body positive profile when she posted a beautiful photoshoot of herself, I love that she's sharing this message. I'm so glad I found her in that unusual way because I already valued her views and I was blown away when I heard her singing voice and realized she played in Les Mis and Heathers
All of this for me really re-contextualizes the performers and celebrities that are deemed "reclusive" or "cold" when it comes to fans. I understand why some people might opt to not form relationships with fans at all because it feels safer than opening the door to some of these intense fan interactions. But obviously behaving the way Alice Ripley did was sus as hell.
There is a performer that was a lead in a west end show that I was a massive fan of when I was 21. I stage doored the show the third time that I saw it, as I was from America and leaving in 2-3 days. At the stage door, this man (37!) flirted with me, told me he noticed me from the audience, and made a point to connect with me on Instagram. I was obsessed with the show as well as him, thought he was incredibly attractive from the first time I saw the show, and dated him for a few months long distance afterwards. In every regard, despite me being of legal age, he had ALL. OF. THE. POWER. It was an emotionally manipulative and abusive relationship, and he broke it off with me in a very hurtful and awful way, that made me feel like everything was my fault because I didn’t do enough for him to keep him interested/around. I was of legal age, yes, but I was still super young and immature, and he took advantage of that as a fan of him and his show. I believe these girls. Abuse is multifaceted, and just because it doesn’t fit the ‘textbook’ definition, doesn’t make it not abuse.
The major issue is that there is no requirement for theatres to have safeguarding procedures unless the cast contains children or vulnerable adults. This needs to be changed. Theatres should have to have a published safeguarding policy and staff should have mandatory safeguarding training. If we want to make theatre accessible to Children and vulnerable adults then we need to think about there protection.
I saw a post online recently that said, “Abusers are as good at grooming allies as they are at grooming victims” so hearing that people are defending Alice Ripley by saying that her fans are just unhinged really upsets me. I’ve seen in my own communities that people who like to groom fans have no problem turning around and bad mouthing those same fans behind their backs. One minute they’ll engage a rapturous fan in a deeply personal, even inappropriate conversation, and then if a personal friend or colleague sees and asks what the intense interaction was about, they’ll say, “Well that was one of my fans, they were sweet but so intense but I didn’t want to be rude and they seemed so happy to be talking to me that I just let them carry on for a while”. Groomers often initiate interactions and perpetuate fans’ parasocial love for them and then get away with it by telling everyone else that they have lots of ‘crazy fans’. They’ll even use the crazy fans line when grooming new people, saying stuff like, “You’re so refreshing! Not at all like some of the crazy fans I deal with sometimes”.
I feel like Carrie is especially aware of boundaries between performers and young fans considering the era of youtube she is from, and particularly the situation with her ex-boyfriend
and also she got a famous big bro too. she grew up seeing fans
There definitely needs to be some safe guarding training for performers, but as you pointed out there does also need to be more accountability.
I teach teenagers, where possible you don’t go in a room with them by yourself, you certainly don’t close the door (we’ve been advised if we’re on our own with them stand in the corridor, be visible to other classrooms and the CCTV), as the responsible adult in the situation it falls down to you to ensure that the situation is safe for both and the young/vulnerable person, firm boundaries (such as those that Carrie has) are absolutely essential.
A close friend of mine was victimized for literal YEARS by the producer/writer/director of a local travelling kids show that produced a number of current successful Broadway performers. He'd use that show to pick out his victims, but my friend was his 'favorite'. They didn't get out of the situation until they were in their 20s, and their parents encouraged it.
The culture needs to change.
“Duty of care” seems to be a very British phrase, they use it on Hollyoaks all the time, but it’s not frequently used in the United States.
It kind of is, kind of isn’t. It would definitely be used in the US in the context of things like healthcare and law because it is a legal term in pretty much every English-speaking county. It certainly originated from English law though. But I hear it often enough in Australia in a colloquial context for it not to sound British to me.
Yiiiiikes this brings back some memories haha. There's a guy that was in a load of west end shows when I was a teenager that harassed my friend for all sorts of things (I don't know what words I can use in comments!) and it took very little for him to instigate it. I was 15/16, he tried it with me but I knew it was wrong and shut him down pretty effectively. My friend who was older (still under 18) was more flattered by it so didn't shut him down immediately, but he then absolutely bombarded her. Once she turned her phone off for an hour and had 40 missed calls from him! On the same day he proposed to his gf (now wife). It was horrible, he then went into a show a family friend was in. I told him, but not the full specifics because it was awkward af, and nothing happened. He'd done it to older people too, and as my friend didn't want to do anything about it I didn't think there was much I could do.
On the posting it on TikTok thing - my tactic was to do a broadwaysecrets post about it haha. That should age me! It was one of the top things that came up when you googled his name, but clearly didn't make much of an impact because he's still in shows now. I wouldn't see anything he's in. I don't know if what he did was illegal, but the responsibility is on him/other adults in that situation, and I'll forever be glad nothing worse happened.
Sorry for the essay!
I’m sorry to hear that, can you mention his name?
so glad someone is making a video on this, it’s definitely time the theatre community take steps to protect both performers and fans
Also a lot of this is definitely a byproduct of how accessible theatre actors (Especially younger/more recently established actors) are in contrast to film/tv performers and also how transformed theatre publicity has become post digital/social media ( In addition to as traditional press, tv/radio and live events such as West End Live/Broadway in the Park etc.). Also the fact we are in a climate where social media presences can influence things such as casting (Not just for lead roles but also ensemble/cover/swing positions) the discussion of how to conduct fan interactions both digitally and physically is so important
Also the Stage dooring ethics discussion really feeds into this (Official programme/merch signing opportunities would definitely be something to consider provided it's set up in a way that works for the actors as part of their professional obligations+ compensation )
Perfectly pitched - your explanations are so clear, well-balanced and on the mark.
You’re right, this is textbook grooming: I wonder whether it would be good practice, going forward, for drama schools to start adding mandatory safeguarding training within their courses: would really help to spell out to performers how to draw healthy boundaries and help protect fans, many of whom are very young and very online.
Also if you are going to allow backstage tours, if a Guardian cant be present for some reason or another, then DBS checks on performers would be needed. (Also there should be a buddy system in place, so, for example, you have two actors or the whole cast there just in case)
Those points about safeguarding are SO TRUE!!! You raise so many good points and I'm so glad you brought all this important information to light. I hope in the near future more strategies and procedures are put in place to keep both performers and fans safe.
I think my favorite thing about your videos (especially the "difficult" ones) is that you're always very mature and levelheaded. I feel like I learn something rather than just have sentences thrown at me or a heated rant. Obviously grooming and abuse isn't exclusive to theater or even the entertainment business, but that element of fame (or the hope of) can lead to some even worse situations
I love your videos like this, gives us a lot of insight on accountability in the community
Good for you for discussing this, and so compassionately as well.
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Excellent vid as always. Well researched, sensitively handled and well thought through! 🥰
This is a really great video Amy and I'm sure you've given all your viewers, me included, but especially the young 'uns and those performers they admire, extremely important information to think and talk about.
Amy this is such a great video. Everything you said is sooo fair and well thought out and I think your commentary really cemented so many of my own thoughts in such a concise way. So thank you so much for contributing this to the discourse!! I especially love the idea of having a company manager position in charge of helping performers navigate fan interaction because obviously their job is the performance aspect but the reality is they're going to interact with fans one way or another. Having an expert to turn to is vital.
I always watch your videos and appreciate your point of view...but... this video was a fantastic array of pointing out negative actions in the theater realm AND proposing ideas on how to stop these actions in the future. Thank you for being so thoughtful and actually coming at this in a way where others can learn.
I'm not very up to date on what's going on in the theatre scene, so thank you for the rundown and your thoughts. I completely agree with what you said!
Congrats on the new job! Loving the bob, you look lush 😊 and as ever, a great video x
Heavy topic to come back with, but such a great video! You have such a grounded and respectfull way of adressing these heavier or more serious topics! This is exactly what the community needs, in this new era of "discovering" the flaws and dark sides of broadway/the theatre community!
Glad to see you back Amy and happy to hear about you being back at work. I am so glad you gave Carrie as a great example for setting boundaries with fans. I am a fan of hers and the level of respect she has for her fans and the way she treats them is something I admire her for
Agree with everything you said. If you flip this around and its just an every day person inviting teenagers to dinner and acting this way, it would immediately get hares racing. It shouldn't be any different because the person is well know. As you say, the adult needs to set the boundaries and if the fan is being too much then a line needs to be drawn.
A very difficult topic to talk about but you’re absolutely right that it needs to be addressed x
Having worked in/taught youth theatre for many years - I’ve learnt lots about safeguarding whilst teaching young people.
When I started - social media wasn’t as big as it is now but there should definitely be training of some kind on offer to performers on how to handle these kind of situations.
Welcome back!
I saw you rt the tiktok on Twitter & that was first time I had heard of this woman & that was last time I heard so glad you posted this so I can read up more on it.
Thank you for using your platform to discuss this.
New vid from Amy. Made my day.
When she said the fans felt like they were ghosted. The gas lighting, we don't love to see it!
I feel like your tip for training and guidance on location is really useful. I know from my workexperience that certain mental illnesses can cause communication barriers, where one party doesn't express discomfort and the other assumes it's fine to go on. But in this instance, more distance should have definitely been kept. Both risks can be minimized with training, so I'm all for your fan-interaction-workshop solution.
Carrie is incredible and I am so glad that she is brave enough and confident enough to tell her fans exactly what she feels comfortable with and what she doesn't. Fame and success comes with it's own horrid fans but just because you have their support, doesn't mean you shouldn't put up with discomfort from the people that support you 🥰
Can't believe about the Alice Ripley allegations, that is horrific
Agree with you 100%
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Hey Amy! It's great to see you back and I'm really happy that you're getting back to work! I know this global panini has been rough on all of us theater kids and I just wanted to say that at least to me, it doesn't matter how much you upload and I'll still enjoy them all! They're always informative or fun and you're always so kind to us fans!
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100% agree. Ripley is in the wrong here. Yes, teenagers can be intense, but they’re minors and thus definitely the vulnerable party here. Carrie is my age (ie circa half the age of Ripley) and the way she’s handled things over the years is a great example of someone, who’s found their boundaries and knows their audience well enough to say “we’ve got a mutual appreciation for each other, but we don’t /know/ each other”. A nice clean line in the sand, if you ask me.
I’ve got kind of an agony aunt type of deal going on and in the early days of that, I did have a minor in the chat who was at an intensity, I wasn’t used to. Calling me their older siblings and coming to me with things, that they really should have gone to their parental unit with. You know instead of a stranger on the internet. I truly wished there was a manual for it back then. So I get why some of the performers don’t know what to do in that situation. But it’ll always be the adult, who needs to take a step back and put a boundary between them and the kid in question.
Anyway, I’ve rambled on for long enough now. As always, an interesting video and a topic, I hope gets discussed more. Hopefully something is done about this soon, because as you said, it happens far too often.
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I think you make a great point about social media management training or safeguarding training in the theatre communities. For so many jobs in our world this is a requirement, especially those that interact with minors. I know in my community theatre experiences we are improving the safeguarding training and are constantly trying to do better. It would be great to see these improvements in the professional world too.
Welcome back, we've missed you!
Boundaries definitely should be set, and I feel like you don't even need "social media" training. Alice should have known better, as an adult, in my opinion. Its self explanatory.
I am very appalled by the way she handled the aftermath.
Love your hair here btw. Really suits you.
These stories are so scary to hear because I know I would have trusted my idol 100% if they'd treated me this way when I was 14. When someone makes you feel special, and especially if you look up to them already, you are completely at their mercy.
Thank you for making this video, I completely agree with everything you said and the points you made. I think one thing I would say as someone who grew up as a preteen and teenager in the theatre fandom is that parents/guardians need to make sure they are watching/monitoring their children's activity online. When I was a teenager, we just had FB and Twitter so the type of interaction and access we have now to performers didn't exist. Actors who are adults 100% need to be the one to keep the relationship professional and appropriate, but I also think parents need to monitor and know who their children are interacting with, and if a young teen or even child has an invite to meet a theatre performer, they need to be present for it.
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Having worked at venues with high profile actors, including Carrie, it helps us if the boundaries are set by performers as, stupidly, it gives us more authority and control at stage door. A lot of company managers are good are helping manager stage door if needed but having dealt with actual stalkers your suggestion of having a member of the company who is responsible for monitoring boundaries and helping with situations is a fantastic idea!
This was very informative thank you for an enlightening video
Congrats on your new job!
I dont feel Alice tried to manipulate the girls. She jsut enjoyed too much of an ego trip from them, and eventually got bored of them (coz 40 to 13 friendships arnt that sustaining)
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I agree that actors at that level of public access should have social media training! Either through a union or an individual production company's marketing/social team. Could be as simple as taking an annual mandatory e-learning or attending a brief workshop. I definitely agree that boundaries must be set, and that can only help everyone involved.
I'm not even an actor or work in entertainment businesses (I work in government). And I get this kind of training on how to use social media and how to stay professional while using it. I can't believe people in entertainment industry do not have this training
Speaking as someone who was a 19 y/o college student in NYC during N2N’s time on Broadway- I was one of these repeat viewers who saw some of my own story in the show. I remember Alice being overwhelmingly sweet at the stage door, if not a bit quirky. She made sure to talk to everyone that waited. On my third visit to the show, she did spend about an extra ten minutes with my friend and I, just talking about theatre, technique, and the show. I’ve always cherished that moment as tender and thoughtful. I don’t want to speak for anyone else on their interactions with her. But I can say I understand how someone a little more vulnerable could mistake an interaction similar to my own, for something else. I agree that the energy and environment of the theatre did indeed feel like a safe space for all sorts of people, and over its long run I imagine the cast met a wide range of people.
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I think this is just one more reason that stage door as it is now should be a thing of the past. As fun as it is, it's just such an uncontrolled environment where performers and fans have so much access to each other, and I think it can make the bad relationships worse. I'm not saying this is a solution to the problem, or that stage door is entirely to blame. But maybe getting rid of it can mitigate the issues. If there's a controlled environment where fans and performers could interact with supervision and distance, I think that would be better.
I didn’t know about James Barbour. that is so disgusting, that he would get criminally charged and yet still be able to get a job. I didn’t know Broadway was so disgusting.
I think there are a couple of things that the government/theatres in the uk (can’t talk about other countries) can do to help.
1. Raise the age of consent to 18. It’s currently 16 unless one of the people has duty of care over the person such as teachers/Social Workers.
2. Not allow unaccompanied minors (under 18) to stage door unless with an adult over 21 years old.
3. Make it compulsory for their to be a bodyguard type person who can safeguard at stage door who can make sure nothing inappropriate is happening
4. When minors are performing Chaperoning should be increased to 18. Again currently 16.
But I would like to point out that I was inappropriately being asked s******y inappropriate questions by a colleague when I was 17 and working in Burger King, while they where in their 40s. Under law, despite the legal working age is 16, places that employ minors do not need to background check on other employees. I have never been background checked as an adult and all the places I have worked since have had minors (all over 16) working there. Over 18s are often alone with under 18s as well such as places like the staff rooms. My point is this happens everywhere and this is something that has the government has to sort out. But I agree it’s concerning and People need to take responsibility
I'm sorry but regardless of the "truth" do not take an underage person out for dinner or into your dressing room unaccompanied! I agree safeguarding training should be provided! It's not that hard. There is always someone on stage door. That person should say anyone coming through not in the company needs to show ID (for security as well) and if they are U18 with no adult then, nope sorry no backstage tour or dressing room visit for you!
Oh I put truth in ", read it back and it sounds like I don't believe the accusers and I'm making light! Not the case at all! Apologies.
CONSENT should be a priority in all types of theatrical productions- both between employees/employers and anyone who is in that backstage part of the building. To do this there needs to be a consent culture created where people feel safe to report incidents. To reduce the stigma that if you speak up, you're doing it for career gain or looking for attention. To know who you can report sexual misconduct to, and create that space where you feel like you can. To abide by the rules of a consent policy so everyone can have comfort in knowing their safety is of utmost importance. How can we expect people to feel safe without a radical change in the culture of consent? I think that these things will undoubtedly happen, but, hopefully, we can reduce the number of times they do and the likelihood of them happening if everyone understands what is expected of them with regards to safety.
you should do a video about fans who have gone too far
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I don't know who that woman is or what she did or didn't do... But never be alone nor take to dinner random kids... It just looks bad
Maybe British/American Sag should have a department with lawyers and counselors to council actors when difficult situations come up. Also, this department can create common-sense rules of conduct to follow. Always have a second with you for fan meetings. Whos to say the adult with the minor isn't star struck too and inappropriate. Lines must be established.
So I agree it’s a slippery slope
I started community theater at 19. And at the time I noticed a huge divide between young adults and teens in that none of the young adults really wanted to be around anyone younger than them. And these teens and kids would want nothing more than to be accepted and felt seen by their older cast mates. So knowing that I made it my duty (for lack of better word) to be the halfway point between the teens and young adults (people between 18 and 23) because I was still young enough to understand that if I was still in high school and in a show I would feel super discouraged if my older counterparts didn’t really show any respect or anything for me. And how I had been in that exact situation before.
But because I made friends that were both my age and a couple years younger, I had people saying “Well it’s creepy that your friends with these people.” When really I was trying to make these kids and people safe and like they’re appreciated.
So as much as I can understand the need to take fans or younger cast mates under your wing, it’s also very important to understand that there are boundaries and that there will always be people who can misinterpret your kindness for something more.
I don’t stand with Alice. But I do understand that want to make sure fans and cast mates feel seen and heard and comfortable because in the end they are the future of theater and theater is always therapeutic. But the way Alice went about all this is completely and utterly inappropriate.
Thank you for saying this. There is a definitive difference between “cancel culture” and holding people accountable for their misdeeds. You are so right. ❤️
Fans need to know that performers don't owe them a single thing other than a good performance if they pay for a ticket. That is IT. You are not owed a stage door meeting. You are not owed an Instagram correspondence. A performer's job is to perform. Period. If they want to do meet and greets and respond to compliments on social media that's fine. But that's a bonus.
Performers, meanwhile, need to know that no matter how "famous" they are, they most likely hold a position of power over the fans interacting with them. And that creates an imbalanced dynamic that can turn problematic if clear boundaries aren't in place. Starstruck fans are susceptible to manipulation by the people they idolize so there's potential for those relationships to become toxic.
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You would think that for the theatre performers own protection they would want safeguarding in place given that even a false accusation could ruin their entire career...
It is shockingly easy for the bad eggs to be able to take advantage of fans in the theatre industry. Especially the shows where younger fans are completely wrapped up in the show and characters
I am so proud of Carrie. She is great. Also can you do a video on the Laura Osnes situation? Love your videos!
What happened with Laura Osnes this time?! The last gossip I heard about her was over the fact she is conservative. The last I heard was she was not as bad as some people.
@@carolinemcgovern4488 she got fired for refusing to be vaccinated
@@StephenHopkinsRum Oh no! geez, that's another one off the list.
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Hi Amy, welcome back! Great video. You explained thar Carrie has great bounderies. Could you or someone scrolling through (Hi!) give some examples of this? Does she literally stand at arms length at stagedoors?
Hi! I think if you go to Carrie's youtube channel somewhere she's made videos about stage door and about setting boundaries for her online/theatre life. She's very clear that fans are at the end of the day complete strangers - she and fans are people who appreciate each other but don't know each other.
Thanks for explaining. Because I saw the tik tok and didn't understand what was going on.
Omg I'm sorry for asking but I didn't find it anywhere - where did you get your bedding? It is so beautiful 🤩
If there are kids in a show they have Nannie’s to watch them
ive spoken to carry on facebook. she was absolutely lovely and very thoughtful.
This is a very interesting discussion and hope that something gets done about this and soon. But I admit that I have been in a fully consenting mutually respectful non power based relationship for several years with someone I got to know via stage door etc . However we are both consenting adults of decades above age of consent and this is just how we met.. I was not by any stretch of the imagination a fan girl /minor. I have always been embarrassed to admit how we met for fear of being classed as a groupie.. this is all very tricky
this is a huge problem with people who hold influence over many people. this girl who went to my school used to be a huge fan of Zoe Laverne, a social media influencer. the girl from my school was around 12 at the time and Zoe was I believe 18. the girl from my school would go to many meet and greets so she could say hi to Zoe. they would facetime each other and it was overall a weird relationship. that said, it makes me so sad that stuff like that is so normalized, especially in theatre.
So happy for your new job! I'm hating the new Cinderellas (both the movie and the musical), and coping by rewatching old musical. XOXO
I know I'm late to the game here but as the person who made the original tiktok, thank you for how you spoke on this. I also want to say that Alice's second statement was confusing to me, as the person who started the conversation, when she essentially said people were upset that she stopped talking to them. I, of course, can't speak for anyone else, but the thing that led to her and I blocking each other on social media was that she "came out as straight" on national coming out day on Facebook, and I started an argument in her comment section as I found the post distasteful, ignorant, and offensive. Furthermore, this was after her calling someone on a Broadway world forum the f-slur years prior on her Facebook account (which a few blogs wrote about if you wish to Google that), so it rubbed myself and a few others the wrong way, seeing as we trusted she was a supportive person for the LGBTQ+ community. Prior to that argument, we had mutually slowed our interaction naturally over the course of a few years as I was getting older and was busy with school, started dating, and found a job, and she was off doing concerts and other new work. There was no animosity or "ghosting" in our "friendship" or whatever anyone wishes to call it, we just moved on to new parts of our lives and as I got older the weight of everything that happened became too much for me, especially as my goddaughter grew up to the age I was at the time. Aside from wanting peace and healing for myself, looking at her and imagining an adult interacting with her in the same way made me angry, which then inspired a lot of hurt for my inner-teen that eventually led to the video. There are a lot of stories and details that haven't been published because this becoming any kind of media-frenzy was never my intention and we all deserve some privacy in our stories, but I do want to say that Page Six never, at any time, reached out to me for comment, and none of the news sources with the exception of the daily beast, on stage blog, and the daily dot, even asked for permission to use my video let alone asked me for comment. Thanks again for this video, you did a great job and I think you pose a great question with it. There was little security at the Booth at the time, and even less at the theaters throughout the tour. There was nobody to check if we were safe, or why we were there alone with an adult in the show. While most of the boundary-setting falls on the actors, I think the theaters should put some rules in place to prevent the entrance backstage of minors without an adult family member present.
not me thinking this was going to be a video about my favourite musical 'fangirls' written by yve blake 😭
And this is why I don’t stage door 🥺🙏🏻
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Hi I hope your new job is going well
Soooo all parties are at fault?🤷🏾♀️ I’ve always wondered why parents let their kids go to the theater alone/without a guardian. It just doesn’t make sense to me because anything could happen. I was never allowed to go until I graduated high school. After NtN came out Alice did friend me on Facebook. I considered it an honor. We chatted for a bit, but I knew there were lines I shouldn’t cross as a young performer interacting with a veteran so I didn’t.
I can't believe I used to like Alice Ripley.
I don't think there is anything wrong with performers becoming friends with fans and do think people have there minds in the gutter on certain things. But I do think the should be some boundaries. However I think constantly redefining "grooming" out of convience can do more harm than good.
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wow, what the hell Alice??
at BEST Alice had inappropriate boundaries. At *best*. Why would you let a child fan into your dressing room or have dinner with them?
I think Carrie’s buffer comes out of her TH-cam career. Especially with the British TH-cam drama back in 2013-ish…
What drama?
@@MysteriousGirl10 Oh gosh. There were several British youtubers accused of taking advantage of underaged fans, grooming them, sexual assault and coercion, etc. and Carrie’s ex happened to be one of them while they were dating.
@@OlafurNeal Oh. My God. That's just wrong! I hope every single one of them got exactly what they deserved.
@@MysteriousGirl10 I think they all did. Most of them were deplatformed and since most of them were in business with the Green brothers and lost the platform to sell their merch.
@@OlafurNeal That's good. I hope their victims were able to recover from what was done to them.
What I found reprehensible was how Bob Bullen aka “BroadwayBob” exploited this story in order to get TikTok clicks, pretending he’s some sort of an expert or somehow involved in the situation, when in reality he’s nothing more than some gossipy fanboy.
Eugene, I love you. Please write back thx.
I don't believe Alice have malicious intent unless I am missing a key pc of information
#endartsabuse