Yep. I started smoking at 16; diagnosed with ADHD at 31; finally quit nicotine after 11 failed attempts at 40. It was SO HARD TO QUIT, in part because it helped my attention a lot.
I have given up so many times and started again , sometimes I have been asked to start again by family memberts due to the stress. Years later I found out that it also is a treatment for Lyme's disease , whiich I have, When I was very sick (35 yrs undiagnosed) a cup of coffee and a cigarette meade me able to do basic tasks rather than being bed bound. It also is a spike protein inhibitator , so smokers recoevred quicker from co vid.
I never understood why my mum started smoking as an adult, and had some on and off issues with alcohol and gambling. Until menopause made it clear that I have ADHD. In hindsight, I'm amazed she did as well as she did, including kicking all three of these unhealthy habits eventually, years before she passed of unrelated illness at a decently old age. Just wish I'd known what I know now about ADHD before she died because it explained so much about her life that didn't make a lot of sense to me before, given other aspects of her personality.
@@peacedreamerable I just learnt (today!) that nicotine patches are now being looked at as a possible treatment for me/cfs, because of those long covid observations and the studies they led to. It's fascinating! Didn't know it's being used for Lyme too.
6:29 The DSM-5-TR says that “[p]renatal exposure to smoking is associated with ADHD even after controlling for parental psychiatric history and socioeconomic status”. I suppose the “psychiatric history” includes that they checked if the mother has ADHD, indicating that her smoking might just be a marker for her ADHD, and cannot be used as evidence to prove that smoking is a causal factor for the ADHD of her child. So, the DSM-5-TR effectively says that studies controlled for that, and even for mothers without ADHD prenatal smoking appears to be associated with ADHD in the child. But they don’t say it’s “causal”, still. On the other hand, if I remember correctly (despite my ADHD, so please check), I believe Dr. Barkley says that most studies do not check for these factors in the mother, and when they do, then the association between the environmental influence (smoking / alcohol during pregnancy) (as a causal factor, I guess?) for the ADHD of the child goes away. Not sure I am interpreting this right. Oh well…
The particular association between maternal smoking and a child's ADHD is hotly contested by researchers who know about confounding factors of maternal ADHD, and socioeconomic status being linked to both smoking and ADHD. Some think that the evidence holds up that maternal smoking itself is a risk factor for developing ADHD, and that some studies are "over correcting" whereas others are convinced that the connection is just a statistical artifact. These people know statistics better than I do, so as of now, I'm not taking a strong stand on either side of the issue.
Our grandpa had psychosis and he was a chain-smoker who would perpetually smoke one off the other. I never met him he died before I was born tho, apparently it helped his symptoms, I heard from neutral non-family members he was very smart on many topics
First time I had a cigarette and liked it, was after I quit taking my meds as a teen. I was having a fit and very agitated, after 2 puffs I felt the anger dissipate like nothing else. My mother was a smoker and offered me the cigarette to calm me and it worked. But it was tough to quit, luckily I was successful but there was definite benefits psychologically. But I quit by making a diagram of risks vs benefits and reminding myself how big the list of risk was in comparison
Hey, so for an anecdote, I use to suck on nicotine toothpicks while I worked. I’m my job requires me to work with my hand and remember numbers and how things go together. I actually did realize a noticeable increase in my memory, it was pretty amazing. However, the memory benifits seemed to fade after a while. I also noticed another very strange thing, I was taking nicotine after I was already on vyvanse and gunafacine. Oddly enough, gunafcine seemed to make my vyvanse a little weaker in some ways, like it felt less strong in some ways. However, it didn’t have the same effect on nicotine. Nictoince still felt strong. Also, I never got addicted to nicotine, I could cold turkey without any desire to even use nicotine. I don’t know if this is associated to the drugs I was taking, but it’s suprising.
It was most likely caught by the Reddit automated spam filter since it was a new subreddit posting new videos every couple days. It should be back once the request is reviewed, hopefully soon!
The most interesting part of my anecdotal experience is, despite the common refrain that Adderall etc. "turns kids into zombies," nicotine, far more than ADHD stimulant medications, makes mundane, repetitive, or even aversive tasks much more tolerable. The more classical stimulants increase motivation to do things, but nicotine makes them simply tolerable, as in, require less motivation to do in the first place. The downside is the short duration of action, and, for me, the withdrawal is horrific. Near complete sleeplessness without some other agent, like diphenhydramine, for about a week. I only ever did lozenges or pouches.
Yep. I started smoking at 16; diagnosed with ADHD at 31; finally quit nicotine after 11 failed attempts at 40. It was SO HARD TO QUIT, in part because it helped my attention a lot.
I have given up so many times and started again , sometimes I have been asked to start again by family memberts due to the stress. Years later I found out that it also is a treatment for Lyme's disease , whiich I have, When I was very sick (35 yrs undiagnosed) a cup of coffee and a cigarette meade me able to do basic tasks rather than being bed bound. It also is a spike protein inhibitator , so smokers recoevred quicker from co vid.
I never understood why my mum started smoking as an adult, and had some on and off issues with alcohol and gambling. Until menopause made it clear that I have ADHD. In hindsight, I'm amazed she did as well as she did, including kicking all three of these unhealthy habits eventually, years before she passed of unrelated illness at a decently old age. Just wish I'd known what I know now about ADHD before she died because it explained so much about her life that didn't make a lot of sense to me before, given other aspects of her personality.
@@peacedreamerable I just learnt (today!) that nicotine patches are now being looked at as a possible treatment for me/cfs, because of those long covid observations and the studies they led to. It's fascinating! Didn't know it's being used for Lyme too.
6:29 The DSM-5-TR says that “[p]renatal exposure to smoking is associated with ADHD even after controlling for parental psychiatric history and socioeconomic status”. I suppose the “psychiatric history” includes that they checked if the mother has ADHD, indicating that her smoking might just be a marker for her ADHD, and cannot be used as evidence to prove that smoking is a causal factor for the ADHD of her child. So, the DSM-5-TR effectively says that studies controlled for that, and even for mothers without ADHD prenatal smoking appears to be associated with ADHD in the child. But they don’t say it’s “causal”, still.
On the other hand, if I remember correctly (despite my ADHD, so please check), I believe Dr. Barkley says that most studies do not check for these factors in the mother, and when they do, then the association between the environmental influence (smoking / alcohol during pregnancy) (as a causal factor, I guess?) for the ADHD of the child goes away.
Not sure I am interpreting this right. Oh well…
The particular association between maternal smoking and a child's ADHD is hotly contested by researchers who know about confounding factors of maternal ADHD, and socioeconomic status being linked to both smoking and ADHD. Some think that the evidence holds up that maternal smoking itself is a risk factor for developing ADHD, and that some studies are "over correcting" whereas others are convinced that the connection is just a statistical artifact. These people know statistics better than I do, so as of now, I'm not taking a strong stand on either side of the issue.
Our grandpa had psychosis and he was a chain-smoker who would perpetually smoke one off the other. I never met him he died before I was born tho, apparently it helped his symptoms, I heard from neutral non-family members he was very smart on many topics
First time I had a cigarette and liked it, was after I quit taking my meds as a teen. I was having a fit and very agitated, after 2 puffs I felt the anger dissipate like nothing else. My mother was a smoker and offered me the cigarette to calm me and it worked. But it was tough to quit, luckily I was successful but there was definite benefits psychologically. But I quit by making a diagram of risks vs benefits and reminding myself how big the list of risk was in comparison
Hey, so for an anecdote, I use to suck on nicotine toothpicks while I worked. I’m my job requires me to work with my hand and remember numbers and how things go together. I actually did realize a noticeable increase in my memory, it was pretty amazing. However, the memory benifits seemed to fade after a while.
I also noticed another very strange thing, I was taking nicotine after I was already on vyvanse and gunafacine. Oddly enough, gunafcine seemed to make my vyvanse a little weaker in some ways, like it felt less strong in some ways. However, it didn’t have the same effect on nicotine. Nictoince still felt strong.
Also, I never got addicted to nicotine, I could cold turkey without any desire to even use nicotine. I don’t know if this is associated to the drugs I was taking, but it’s suprising.
My adhd symptoms worsened after I quit. I thought about taking antismoking drug with cytisine as a stimulant, but I am affraid of it's side effects
What happened to the subreddit?
It was most likely caught by the Reddit automated spam filter since it was a new subreddit posting new videos every couple days. It should be back once the request is reviewed, hopefully soon!
@@FlynnaTH-cam Ohhh, thanks for answering!
The most interesting part of my anecdotal experience is, despite the common refrain that Adderall etc. "turns kids into zombies," nicotine, far more than ADHD stimulant medications, makes mundane, repetitive, or even aversive tasks much more tolerable. The more classical stimulants increase motivation to do things, but nicotine makes them simply tolerable, as in, require less motivation to do in the first place.
The downside is the short duration of action, and, for me, the withdrawal is horrific. Near complete sleeplessness without some other agent, like diphenhydramine, for about a week. I only ever did lozenges or pouches.