"Lyney is a very squishy character." I knew that going in but it feels like he's made of wet tissue paper. He hits like a freight train though, so balanced enough I guess.
Idk if it's because i just started and so i have to use a Favonius bow on him due to lack of better alternatives (bow items for forging WON'T drop) but he doesn't feel squishy in the slightest since he can routinely heal himself for 60% of his own hp every 15 seconds
@@atriyakoller136 I had to get used to it too, though I don't have Ganyu or Tighnari. Make it a habit to only use his E after CA - Q so you can get the extra damage from his hat stacks
I didn't plan to pull lyney at all. Did the archon quest + story quest and absolutely fell in love with him and decided to go for him. He's definitely a strong character and a very satisfying one to play. Ps: shout out to the editor for the great job 👍
Random but interesting fact: Lyney and Freminet right now are the only characters that can reach talent level 14 with the help of their constellations that increase normal attack level and Childe's exploration passive giving every character in the party +1 level to their normal attack talent. Edit: For the Love of God, yes, Freminet is still not out, but this still doesn't change anything bruh, chill out y'all
@_zzeero @nathangarcia3953 @MichaelAury "Right now" Freminet isn't playable until few days, he is in the same situation than the other two. So sht up. And if you say it's leaked information, there isn't oficial information on Freminet constellations too.
@@JhonnyStone100”ruined him” istg some of u mfs are never content with any excellent character that is released, mono pyro in one of the best teams besides mono geo we currently have, and lyney isn’t necessarily restricted to mono pyro, u can still play other reactions, mono pyro is just the more comfortable one, cuz u dont have to worry abt which characters of other elements synergy well with him, cuz yelan and xq dont rlly work well with him, he’s dummy strong and fun to play, it was about time we get an actual fun and strong pyro character
@@JhonnyStone100 LMAO its like saying hyv ruined Nilou because shes restricted in dendro-hydro teams and yet she delivers insane dmg in her niche. You all complain when hyv releases a new character that plays a partially same role as an already existing character because wanting more option (e.g: alhaitham), then you all also complain when hyv makes a new character that has a kit different than the rest and is super good in their niche (e.g: lyney, nilou). No wonder hyv doesnt make actual effort in having variety of characters' kits. At the end you all will never be satisfied and might even say "just use [insert old unit name] instead" 🤣🤣
@@JhonnyStone100restrict him to mono-Pyro? Bro no where do his kit say he has to be playing mono-Pyro, you pretty much only need Bennett, his most popular team literally only has 2 Pyro characters, you can even go reverse Melt if you like. The personal damage you lose can easily be make up for by other units you're just salty
I like Lyney a lot. • Sustained damage • Frontloaded damage • Fun and dynamic gameplay • Insane single-target damage against bosses • Amazing for exploration
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks he can deal a ton of damage, has a built-in taunt and heals himself so you can clear basically any camp that's not immune to Pyro with 1 character without swapping in a surprisingly short amount of time as long as you level up his charged shot talent and have a decent bow.
I accidentally got his weapon but luckily got him before that and he’s really good even at lv80 and 8 all talents! My only downside is the problem with ganyu and he’s so easy to kill like you can’t go anywhere without him getting oneshotted💀
There's a lot of meta shifts that would be crazy, but the part about bad artifacts making you tankier reminds me of one of my favorite things to imagine: What if there were no timers, and we merely wanted to do high dps in order to eliminate threats? Essentially, it'd turn into another form of dps-race, the kind where your own effective hp becomes part of the equation, and dodging skills/target prioritization/mechanics to subdue enemies etc. let you prioritize it less. Basically... Remember fighting the wolf as an AR20? That. (Of course, Zhongli cheese etc. would have to be accounted for while then also remaining top-tier) We can still get some foes with hp regen etc. that effectively make us wanna reach certain sustained or burst dps thresholds, and ideally there would be ways to mitigate that as a way around a chunk of that threshold requirement. A cool idea is one that requires sustained dps cause no reasonable burst dps gets through it all, but then the regen could be somehow disabled, at which point burst dps can get through before it comes back. As for scoring... Idk man, I don't really need to get a score for beating a boss in Dark Souls either, it's intrinsicaly rewarding to do well. And what does do well mean? Well, I love taking down a boss without getting hit. I love having a busted weapon that makes that easy, I love seeing how much I can abuse tanking or safe attacking tactics to make an eventual win easy, and I especially love trying to see what merits unconventional approaches may have, it's just whatever I feel like. I'd prioritize that organic feel over fascilitating a scoring system myself, and hey, less excessive anxiety! They just gotta make sure there is a lot of room for making it tough, I'm usually not in favor of setting difficulty, but it seems like an easy option here. Even with that, I bet less players would be stressed out if a careful approach was so viable.
@@lyh01 Same, I'm thinking that Abyss will more or less remain as it is, and if we're very lucky, we might optionally get better level scaling in the open world, at best.
i never had Ganyu, and having Lyney now makes me understand (sorta kinda) the feeling players first had when they experienced Ganyu's OP charge shot - OVERWORLD ENEMIES JUST DIED LIKE THAT IM LIKE HUH
It feels like they've stopped increasing enemy HP (other than those overworld omega hydro slimes) and started giving them ludicrous damage instead. My usual teams had no trouble clearing floor 12 in time, but only when they didn't get one-shot by attacks I couldn't even see. Odd time to release a fragile charge-shot character for a team that normally has no shielder.
Usually, I'm not a fan of the charged shot dps of tigh and ganyu. But Lyney helped me clear abyss 12 for the first time within less than 12 hrs of getting him lol. He's actually my strongest boi now and hes fun to play because explosions don't get boring
Exactly why i like playing with him so much The only other team I have is nilou bloom and that IS brain-dead button mashing so lyney was a breath of fresh air lol
I was not planning to pull for him but i’m so glad i did. He is my first pyro 5 star lmao. I stole ganyu’s artifacts (4pc Wanderers) and gave it to him. He does well over 25k by himself in a mono-pyro team. I love him muchly :)
Lyney's been one of my favorite characters to play lately, his kit feels very fluid and complete, like everything has a place and nothing feels tagged on for the sake of it. I run him with C4 tankfei, kazuha, and obv bennett, and i havent had THIS much fun playing the game since I got my C1 Kazuha on his first banner back in 1.6. He's a bow hypercarry, but he isnt as monotonous and boring as Ganyu, or as frustrating and clunky as Yoimiya. Genuinely a fantastic character and one of the few I pulled their signature weapon for. also shout out Editor Sam for doing the lords work
@@noobbll I’ve seen gameplay of him at c6 which looks fun, but at c0 he feels kinda clunky. I think a lot of that is field time related because everything is so front loaded you want to swap out quickly, but getting everything off can take a bit of time. Like he’s in a limbo between subdps and main dps. Though tbf I havnt played him since like December
@@CrafterProductionsTighnari is great but his ancension dendro damage bonus stat makes it a bit hard to meet a desired crit ratio. But at least you can spare ER on him.
Thank you for posting this (and thank you Editor Sam!!) I got him and have been pretty pleased, but still working out ideal teams based on who I also have, so this has been helpful! : )
I was waiting for this, not because I want Lyney (saving for Venti), but because I enjoy your content a lot lol. Great video, I hope all Lyney-wanters become Lyney-havers!
I am really enjoying lyney so far! I actually managed to clear this new abyss pretty comfortably with lyney/kazuha/zhongli/bennett w my lyney being lvl 69 w talents at 4/1/4 💀 I am surprised at how stong he feels
Just crowned Lyney's NA and immediately tried to get highest dmg on Scara boss and mf did 400k on 1 charged atk( 160k+240k) Also did 36* abyss on 1st try without using Zhongli or Xiangling. Lyney Bennet Kazuha Yanfei on one side and Alhaitham QuickBloom on other
Hey Zajef, I recently saw someone’s video of a Lyney solo on the bottom half of the new abussy and I learned that if you literally have Lyney/ranged character attack from the very edge of the arena, none of Coppelia or Coppelius’s attacks will target or hit your character. They cleared very comfortably
1. That’s probably C6R5 Lyney. it does not represent the majority of playerbase. 2. Sure, you can try that strat but what about the rest of your team ? they still need to get close in order to do use skill to generate particles.
@@nanathedelta8561 it was a c6r1 lyney, but I am not saying this is a solution to clear abyss. I’m just pointing out the boss mechanics. With Yae/Fischl/Nahida/Albedo though, this would be solid.
@@mmmkay2457problem is why would you play him with Aggrevate/Spread units? He's not gonna get any buffs and he'll burn your Dendro away. This strat is only effective for hyper invested Lyneys with at least C3
He definitely was worth my freemos (and the paymos of some friends), simply because he‘s the hottest character in Genshin so far oh yeah, and he has pretty nice damage too, who cares about meta etc etc
As someone who pulled for Lyney based on your pre-release, I really appreciate this update. I thought I had built Lyney wrong or my timing was off, so I'm glad to have some of my issues be addressed.
Got Lyney with only 20 pulls which I didn't initially want to pull for him but I yolo pull when I don't have pity. He's fun to play and it's been a while since I main a bow character (I have Ganyu) and it's actually good that I got him since I still didn't have a dedicated Pyro main dps (*cough c2 Diluc *cough). I'm still unlucky farming a full set of Hunter for him so I'm using Wanderer set for the meantime but his damage is so good. Also I'm enjoying exploring Fontaine with him and Lynette it's fun and easier.
I am starting to believe Gorou is better than Sucrose for Lyney. He has some form of resistance to interruption. He can buff pyro damage with Petra and he buffs Lyney's defense to make him less squishy (and the fact that he gives flat defense is even better, since Lyney has garbage base)
Wait, I might skip Zhongli with this little tech. Plus, I really like him (the only issue being his resistance to interruption being locked behind double geo, but you can build full em on him no problem, thankfully)
@@syaoranngo2080 You are right, and moreover, you don't need the shields to be tough to have resistance to interruption, you have bennet and you don't take oneshotted with the defense buff and some healing from c4 if you have it. Building ER would be better.
Bennet E, kazuha Q, Bennet Q, Dehya E, Lyney charged attack spam into Q. Works perfectly for me and isn't complicated. Only 12 seconds of down time before the super armor comes back.
For the Dehya segment and something I never really paid attention to from all of his gameplay over the years till he was focusing on charge shots only in this vid - not sure if it's mostly just him showcasing so not aiming for speedrun times/rotations or anything but I believe doing Left click wait for charge shot into R charge shot start is ever so slightly faster than just doing whichever method he's doing. Don't have a raw number but as a random guesstimate let's just say the normal method of going into the next shot while dropping it is .5s while the one I'm mentioning is .25 Left click CA > drop > repeat or R charge shot > drop > repeat miniscule 0.X seconds saved but hey maybe the 2 extra shots out of the 4 can be slightly faster to weave in when you do Left click to R CA over 4 LC/4 R CA
My Lyney gets his burst back every rotation so I can just use his burst + E after a couple of charge shots. Makes the down time on Deyha's stagger resistance not really matter and the team feels really good to play. Basically feels like I get a mini nuke every rotation
I just got him yesterday after a few weeks of debate. I love his cat, and I wanted to see if I could get good at charged shot gameplay (mobile player) but with a more interesting kit than ganyu’s. He seems fun, and I like his character so overall I’m happy with him :)
i managed to full star the secong half with liney not yet maxxed out, for me the only thing lacking for him to be great is a support that complements his kit. Wanderer for once have way more options for team building. Kazuha and Bennet are a must but I feel like a definitive last slot is yet to come, maybe Arleccino?
You can cheese Icewind Suit boss with lyney/other CA characters if you stand in the corner of the arena. They will spam an attack where the robot lady will circle around but her attacks will never hit you, so you can proc VV/get particles on her and at the same time you can shoot the dude in the middle. Not the fastest way, but the safest
I use Lavawalker on Lyney because I had an excellent set from all the crimson witch farming i did a long time ago (my lavawalker is far better then my crimson). I am farming the new NA/Charge set but since I also want it for upcoming characters, I will be saving the good ones for them since my Lavawalker set is very good on him so far.
Oh yeah, speaking of the new Abyss, it's nice that this abyss doesn't feel pneuma/ousia reliant right now. Sure, it's only the first Fontaine abyss, but hey, we take those
I'd made up my mind and pulled Lyney less two hours before this video came out, haha. Not that it would have changed my mind. How can I stay strong when offered the option to play not one, but two kids who throw evil explosive cats around? Big thanks to the editors for bringing this video to us on time, I'm sure it helped many people with more sensible reasons to pull. :D
Big thanks to Sam with the editing. Really digging the Pre-Release channel on a vintage CRT TV. It's nice to see how a rotation with Dehya is done while maximizing buff uptime for Dehya enjoyers. Zajef showing how teams work with units that aren't the most optimal is something that I've always appreciated in his videos. 16:22 Shoutouts to Suske
I pulled him because I kind of like the charge attack bow user playstyle, but after playing burning melt ganyu for a while now, I really am tired of using dehya lol, his explanation of why she’s just ok with Leney definitely applies to ganyu as well
I find that swapping out Kazuha for Lynette works quite well. Her burst taunting is a decent defensive support and she can still use VV. Its not much of a damage loss vs boss's but you will miss how well Kazuha groups enemies.
The damage loss is not small since Kazuha gives up to 40% damage bonus, vs 12% atk bonus by Lynette (Bennett already gives massive atk buff so damage buff becomes more valuable). However she can be an alternative due to her taunt utility like you said for players who don't have Zhongli and needs Kazuha for the other team, and she can still use VV.
It's so satisfying to Q E and see the big red numbers on your screen with half the enemies hp gone plus his animations are pretty (that cool af card NA animation is such a waste though)
His C1 is very good if your using sac bow on him- and this is actually a pretty solid weapon on him. It has a high base attack,gives slight er to fulfill his needs,it generates extra energy for xiangling,and you get double the skill damage.
I've been playing genshin since launch how did I just find out sac bow has a high base atk 😭 I was convinced it matches fav bow the way sac and fav swords are the same
04:20 I can confirm. I played Bennet Xiangling Kazuha team and my Lyney not only got staggered but killed. Bennet and Kazuha and Xiangling 3 starred the floor with dead Lyney
As someone who wanted him before his release and still wanted him when everyone didn't want "another Ganyu", im glad everyone's enjoying him now. I lost my 50/50 to Mona, I believe genshin knows what an account needs😂
Will I ever pull for Lyney? No. Will I watch the full video immediately? Yes! I love seeing people hyperanalyze game balance, really in any game. Zajef makes the meta entertaining, and I say that as someone who doesn't really care about the abyss that much.
same, personally i just clear 11-3 and only try 12 when i think its easy enough, but listening to him passionately talk about meta is very entertaining. and the occasional dank cooks are funny to try out lel
I couldn't complete 12-2-2 with Lyney when playing at point blank with Benny, Kazuha and Xiangling because he ALWAYS gets interrupted. BUT then I decided to keep my distance shooting from afar and only then I managed to complete it, even despite that his damage wasn't buffed by Benny and Kazuha. Which always was my preferred style of playing with Ganyu, but with Lyney it's even better because he has a better taunt. Overall I'm very happy with Lyney, I'm glad I've pulled him and triple crowned
Xiangling is a better option at this stage purely because there are no other real alternatives but she is a suboptimal one as the main aspect of Lynsey’s gameplay is a charge attack stack which generates taunt. He is meant to be played from a distance not with a melee character. For this reason Kazuha is the same. I hope arlechino and cloud retainer sort this out. As for shielder I find Baizhu at c2 work well esp with the new artifacts set. Yes you get burn but you don’t die and you’re still doing a ton of damage. Don’t have zhongli yet, should be interesting to see the difference.
lost my 50/50 to dehya and grinded freemos until i got him in 76 pity (had a lot of unplayed content so it was fairly painless grind tho) at first i purely wanted him for his character and the fontaine siblings trio bcs im sentimental and has no expectations for his gameplay bcs i dislike ganyu's playstyle but damn he turned to be SUPERRRR fun to play and the drama! the feeling of finishing an enemy using his E and then watching him bow is the best thing ever, i hope genshin gonna do more of this type of flair into characters' kit
I tried to pull Aqua for my Yelan and ended up getting Lyney's signature. Since nobody really uses that weapon, ended up using my guaranteed to get Lyney. Hope I can have fun with him whenever it is that I end up building him since the queue to fix my clusterfuck of characters is so high, I might be using him next year.
19:12 Laylas shield is thin? Doesn’t she have the best shield after zhongli? I stack hp on her and have talent 9 on the shield and its good? Do i just not know how zhongli is????????
they should've made baizhu an anemo character.. imagine an anemo shield that breaks quickly, but deals infused dmg according to the element that hit it, along with anemo dmg.....
After playing with him I came to a conclusion that he is really similar to Alhaitham, a slighty situational upgrade to an already good team, not much flexibility, needs to do a proper combo (this aspect is more important on Alhaitham) and feels bad to play without a shielder (this aspect is more important on Lyney) I just hope in the future we got more support alternatives for him since he is really fun to play
If you think Alhaitham is situational, inflexible or requires a shield then you have mean playing some strange version of Alhaitham because that's not the case at all. He appreciates resistance to interruption (XQ, Beidou) but you can just dodge and still get his mirror proccs. He has a range of teammates for Quickbloom or Spread variants. As for "situational upgrade"...? He and Nahida fulfill different roles and, in fact, share a best team (where they work *together*). If you're talking about Tighnari, he is way less flexible and only barely better than Alhaitham in pure single target, granted you have his signature bow. Otherwise, f2p Alhaitham beats him even there.
@@abbystafford7549 Resistance to interruption does not go well with his F2P BiS HoD, also batterying a low investment Beidou, especially on solo Electro is not very efficient. I don't know if it's a high ping problem, but dodging with Alhaitham can make his sword rain go to the wrong direction, making a huge DPS loss. And his only teams are Quickbloom and Quicken, his teammates have flexibility, not him, Burgeon felt bad, Quickburn terrible and I tried to use him as quickswap with Hyper Raiden, was fun but it was Raiden doing the most heavy lifting. Don't get me wrong his teams are strong but he is not flexible, compare him to Raiden (Hyper, National, HB, Aggravate) or Ayato (Off fielder, HB, Burgeon, Mono Hydro) even Cyno has more options (Quickbloom, Quickburn, Aggravate, Chaos or even full EM if you're onto this shit) I am also not comparing him to Tighnari since I do not have him. As for me, for Alhaitham I like to use him with Baizhu, since it frees the Nahida slot and makes you have to evade less to avoid the mirrors missing
Please don't play ToM zhongli the up time on the buff is still pretty bad, since the pillar is stationary. Please stick with petra, just because you lose field time with lyney specifically, does not mean it's a "bad" set for him
i actually also noticed the dmg difference between 2pc 2pc and maree chausee on lyney its very noticeable yeah it gives a lot of stats but i get 76% percent crit rate from substats alone w a crit dmg bow and my artifacts come from the godly gladiator pieces u get while farming bosses and stuff. i still think u should farm maree chausee but if u have a godly 2pc 2pc i think u should use it
I do think another important thing that Zajeff didnt talk about was pneuma/ousia and how that affects Lyney's pull value. Hes currently our only Fontaine character thats actually good. Lynette is fine since shes off field, but for pneuma the options are a little rough. You might think that imcreases Lyney's pull value. HOWEVER, at least in this abyss, it is pretty easy to brute force the ousia/pneuma mechanics. So don't worry about pulling him for that.
@@mc9474 I don't think so,The Pneuma/Ousia mechanic only do certain things, like the Algorithm boss where we need the quicken state but you still can brute force it. On the other hand, it's a good mechanic for casual players to feel the fontaine characters "stronger" and motivate them to play the Abyss because currently only 10% or less of the community play it.
@@mc9474 When we start getting the Pneuma/Ousia shield monuments in Floor 12 (like what's currently on Floor 9), I think we'll start to feel as if it's more necessary unfortunately. Element shields can just be incredibly cringe to try and work around, especially at Floor 12 HP values. It also just depends on how much they build the future bosses around the mechanic since it's currently not terribly intrusive but could very easily change.
Based on my experience, you can actually "cheat" this Dehya-Bennett field timing problem: by learning how to dodge and keep moving when you aim. First you may shoot two shooting without buffs, then place the other rotation like kazuha/lynette/anemo, then apply dehya then bennett. After that, use your burst quick to heal a little, now you get three stack, charge two more, then you get 5 stacks + two unbuffed dmg as a result. The next part, the best part, is kaboom with his E. I dunno maybe other can comment on this?
im personally running lyney with 4pc marechaussee and his sig along with 4pc archaic zhongli, 4pc tenacity dehya and 4pc noblesse bennett gonna swap out either dehya or zhongli for kazuha once i have him:) im still testing out rotations but so far 1-2 charged attacks, bennett burst, dehya skill, 2 more charged attacks, burst, and then skill has worked pretty decently for me
Editor Sam got this video out in less than a day please leave him nice comments YEP
Good job Sam. Now back to the dungeon!
Thanks Sam, I'll pull for you in HSR
LESS than a day? I've edited before and that's impressive
Thx sam good job
Gigachad editor!
In this house we appreciate the quick work of editors
"Sir, this is Wendy's"
@@aggaviriyo790sir this is a Genshin video
THANK YOU editors for working so hard to make these videos high quality at a very fast pace
"Lyney is a very squishy character." I knew that going in but it feels like he's made of wet tissue paper. He hits like a freight train though, so balanced enough I guess.
Eating 40% of his HP to charge attack doesn't help his squishiness lol He's decently balanced for sure
Idk if it's because i just started and so i have to use a Favonius bow on him due to lack of better alternatives (bow items for forging WON'T drop) but he doesn't feel squishy in the slightest since he can routinely heal himself for 60% of his own hp every 15 seconds
Glass Cannon 😅
Lyney's E feels so good, just going kaboom
I pulled for him on my alt and can't get used to it because I'm so used to playing Ganyu and Tighnari and just press it before any charge shots...
@@atriyakoller136 exactly! It took me a couple of days to get rid of that habit.
It feels so great to go kaboom on final shot cause the enemy also goes kaboom
Lyney Klee's true older brother!!
@@atriyakoller136 I had to get used to it too, though I don't have Ganyu or Tighnari. Make it a habit to only use his E after CA - Q so you can get the extra damage from his hat stacks
I didn't plan to pull lyney at all. Did the archon quest + story quest and absolutely fell in love with him and decided to go for him. He's definitely a strong character and a very satisfying one to play.
Ps: shout out to the editor for the great job 👍
Me too he was one of the characters I wrote off as a skip even after seeing his animations. His character is just so charismatic and charming
Random but interesting fact: Lyney and Freminet right now are the only characters that can reach talent level 14 with the help of their constellations that increase normal attack level and Childe's exploration passive giving every character in the party +1 level to their normal attack talent.
Edit: For the Love of God, yes, Freminet is still not out, but this still doesn't change anything bruh, chill out y'all
Neuvillette and Wriothesley have a C3 that increases NA talent too.
@@Hinasis But they aren't out /right now/
@@HinasisEmphasis on right now
"Right now"
@_zzeero @nathangarcia3953 @MichaelAury
"Right now" Freminet isn't playable until few days, he is in the same situation than the other two. So sht up.
And if you say it's leaked information, there isn't oficial information on Freminet constellations too.
lyneys character is so well done imo, very happy hes a pretty good option to pull
Too bad he's so ugly
no. why make him restricted to mono pyro teams? hoyoverse ruined him
@@JhonnyStone100”ruined him” istg some of u mfs are never content with any excellent character that is released, mono pyro in one of the best teams besides mono geo we currently have, and lyney isn’t necessarily restricted to mono pyro, u can still play other reactions, mono pyro is just the more comfortable one, cuz u dont have to worry abt which characters of other elements synergy well with him, cuz yelan and xq dont rlly work well with him, he’s dummy strong and fun to play, it was about time we get an actual fun and strong pyro character
@@JhonnyStone100 LMAO its like saying hyv ruined Nilou because shes restricted in dendro-hydro teams and yet she delivers insane dmg in her niche. You all complain when hyv releases a new character that plays a partially same role as an already existing character because wanting more option (e.g: alhaitham), then you all also complain when hyv makes a new character that has a kit different than the rest and is super good in their niche (e.g: lyney, nilou). No wonder hyv doesnt make actual effort in having variety of characters' kits. At the end you all will never be satisfied and might even say "just use [insert old unit name] instead" 🤣🤣
@@JhonnyStone100restrict him to mono-Pyro? Bro no where do his kit say he has to be playing mono-Pyro, you pretty much only need Bennett, his most popular team literally only has 2 Pyro characters, you can even go reverse Melt if you like. The personal damage you lose can easily be make up for by other units you're just salty
I like Lyney a lot.
• Sustained damage
• Frontloaded damage
• Fun and dynamic gameplay
• Insane single-target damage against bosses
• Amazing for exploration
- cutie patootie
Seriously, my only gripe is that he has anti-synergy with his sister.
Wait, how does he work for exploration again.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks he can deal a ton of damage, has a built-in taunt and heals himself so you can clear basically any camp that's not immune to Pyro with 1 character without swapping in a surprisingly short amount of time as long as you level up his charged shot talent and have a decent bow.
@@DT-yw4ob Yeah, ik, that's combat though, I am asking about exploration.
As someone who saved all my wishes for him and his weapon, I'm very happy with his design and gameplay
I accidentally got his weapon but luckily got him before that and he’s really good even at lv80 and 8 all talents! My only downside is the problem with ganyu and he’s so easy to kill like you can’t go anywhere without him getting oneshotted💀
@@2triedforthis830 Ikr I'm pulling for Zhongli because playing him without sheild physically hurts me
I use tankfei TTDS with him
It helps a little
@@2triedforthis830 I usually snipe from afar and for longer fights, tankfei is the answer for me so I can keep Lynette on the team lol
@@Twocat5side Unfortunately I do not have c4 yanfei
Props to you editor Sam for being absolutely insane and getting this out in just a day
There's a lot of meta shifts that would be crazy, but the part about bad artifacts making you tankier reminds me of one of my favorite things to imagine: What if there were no timers, and we merely wanted to do high dps in order to eliminate threats? Essentially, it'd turn into another form of dps-race, the kind where your own effective hp becomes part of the equation, and dodging skills/target prioritization/mechanics to subdue enemies etc. let you prioritize it less. Basically... Remember fighting the wolf as an AR20? That. (Of course, Zhongli cheese etc. would have to be accounted for while then also remaining top-tier)
We can still get some foes with hp regen etc. that effectively make us wanna reach certain sustained or burst dps thresholds, and ideally there would be ways to mitigate that as a way around a chunk of that threshold requirement. A cool idea is one that requires sustained dps cause no reasonable burst dps gets through it all, but then the regen could be somehow disabled, at which point burst dps can get through before it comes back.
As for scoring... Idk man, I don't really need to get a score for beating a boss in Dark Souls either, it's intrinsicaly rewarding to do well. And what does do well mean? Well, I love taking down a boss without getting hit. I love having a busted weapon that makes that easy, I love seeing how much I can abuse tanking or safe attacking tactics to make an eventual win easy, and I especially love trying to see what merits unconventional approaches may have, it's just whatever I feel like. I'd prioritize that organic feel over fascilitating a scoring system myself, and hey, less excessive anxiety! They just gotta make sure there is a lot of room for making it tough, I'm usually not in favor of setting difficulty, but it seems like an easy option here. Even with that, I bet less players would be stressed out if a careful approach was so viable.
That sounds fantastic but at this point I don't have much hope abt endgame contents in this game anymore lol
@@lyh01 Same, I'm thinking that Abyss will more or less remain as it is, and if we're very lucky, we might optionally get better level scaling in the open world, at best.
it sounds like you would really enjoy fighting Viviane and Niniane
i never had Ganyu, and having Lyney now makes me understand (sorta kinda) the feeling players first had when they experienced Ganyu's OP charge shot - OVERWORLD ENEMIES JUST DIED LIKE THAT IM LIKE HUH
It feels like they've stopped increasing enemy HP (other than those overworld omega hydro slimes) and started giving them ludicrous damage instead. My usual teams had no trouble clearing floor 12 in time, but only when they didn't get one-shot by attacks I couldn't even see. Odd time to release a fragile charge-shot character for a team that normally has no shielder.
I really enjoy how Lyney's kit is simple and powerful, but his gameplay still feels stimulating and isn't entirely braindead button mashing
Usually, I'm not a fan of the charged shot dps of tigh and ganyu. But Lyney helped me clear abyss 12 for the first time within less than 12 hrs of getting him lol.
He's actually my strongest boi now and hes fun to play because explosions don't get boring
Exactly why i like playing with him so much
The only other team I have is nilou bloom and that IS brain-dead button mashing so lyney was a breath of fresh air lol
im easy to please. if the characer looks cool/has a dramatic flair to them or their kit, i automatically love them
Thank you Editor Sam for bringing this out so speedy😊
I was not planning to pull for him but i’m so glad i did. He is my first pyro 5 star lmao. I stole ganyu’s artifacts (4pc Wanderers) and gave it to him. He does well over 25k by himself in a mono-pyro team. I love him muchly :)
Lyney is awesome! I really like his design and animations. Hight damage is also wonderful.
Already got my Lyney and he works really well for me with Desert Pavilion artifacts
I'm sorry what?
you're cooking, don't let them silence you
@@HazZzel- 40%Charge attack increase
@@Ecstasyeye OHHH I thought it was just anemo and movement speed my bad 😭
@@HazZzel- Also Lyney elemental skill is considered as charge attack damage so more points from it
He looks awesome, sadly i want to get like 4-5 other fontaine characters before him :(
Rerun it is!!
Lyney's been one of my favorite characters to play lately, his kit feels very fluid and complete, like everything has a place and nothing feels tagged on for the sake of it. I run him with C4 tankfei, kazuha, and obv bennett, and i havent had THIS much fun playing the game since I got my C1 Kazuha on his first banner back in 1.6. He's a bow hypercarry, but he isnt as monotonous and boring as Ganyu, or as frustrating and clunky as Yoimiya. Genuinely a fantastic character and one of the few I pulled their signature weapon for.
also shout out Editor Sam for doing the lords work
I pulled lyney c2 r1 and I really love him. He’s the first charged attack/shot user I enjoy playing and his damage is pretty great.
you don't like tighnari charge shot?
@@noobbll I’ve seen gameplay of him at c6 which looks fun, but at c0 he feels kinda clunky. I think a lot of that is field time related because everything is so front loaded you want to swap out quickly, but getting everything off can take a bit of time. Like he’s in a limbo between subdps and main dps. Though tbf I havnt played him since like December
@@CrafterProductionsTighnari is great but his ancension dendro damage bonus stat makes it a bit hard to meet a desired crit ratio. But at least you can spare ER on him.
@@nightday2030damage bonus is more valueable than crit damage.
This is the 1st time I see this type of content, a reaction of a past assessment, is jarring
lyney,Kazuha,Bennett,Zhongli is more then enough for this abyss
yea I was glad this was the case because man the abyss wants CC but also lyney without ZL feels like dying
Diluc is enough, no need for lyney 😂
@@nymphaliss I mean Dehya is enough xD
I would hope so with basically 4 5stars :D
i went xl instead of zhong and just dodged
Thank you for posting this (and thank you Editor Sam!!) I got him and have been pretty pleased, but still working out ideal teams based on who I also have, so this has been helpful! : )
I was waiting for this, not because I want Lyney (saving for Venti), but because I enjoy your content a lot lol. Great video, I hope all Lyney-wanters become Lyney-havers!
I am really enjoying lyney so far! I actually managed to clear this new abyss pretty comfortably with lyney/kazuha/zhongli/bennett w my lyney being lvl 69 w talents at 4/1/4 💀 I am surprised at how stong he feels
Imagine not starting a chamber with two Lyney charge shots to build stacks, couldn't be me
Got to make that Xiangling Kazuha combo sound as optimal as possible
This is my rotation too, at the very least 1 CA before applying buffs. Very comfy
holy shit. this is the first ive heard of this tactic. thank you
4:43 "You're still playing a Xiangling team" That is the most Zajef thing Zajef has ever said
Just crowned Lyney's NA and immediately tried to get highest dmg on Scara boss and mf did 400k on 1 charged atk( 160k+240k)
Also did 36* abyss on 1st try without using Zhongli or Xiangling.
Lyney Bennet Kazuha Yanfei on one side and Alhaitham QuickBloom on other
Tankfei is the way! Love seeing people use her more because of Lyney
Hey Zajef, I recently saw someone’s video of a Lyney solo on the bottom half of the new abussy and I learned that if you literally have Lyney/ranged character attack from the very edge of the arena, none of Coppelia or Coppelius’s attacks will target or hit your character. They cleared very comfortably
1. That’s probably C6R5 Lyney. it does not represent the majority of playerbase.
2. Sure, you can try that strat but what about the rest of your team ? they still need to get close in order to do use skill to generate particles.
Other hyper aggressive enemies definitely exist but this sounds like really good advice
this sounds interesting I will take note of this
@@nanathedelta8561 it was a c6r1 lyney, but I am not saying this is a solution to clear abyss. I’m just pointing out the boss mechanics. With Yae/Fischl/Nahida/Albedo though, this would be solid.
@@mmmkay2457problem is why would you play him with Aggrevate/Spread units? He's not gonna get any buffs and he'll burn your Dendro away. This strat is only effective for hyper invested Lyneys with at least C3
He definitely was worth my freemos (and the paymos of some friends), simply because he‘s the hottest character in Genshin so far
oh yeah, and he has pretty nice damage too, who cares about meta etc etc
As someone who pulled for Lyney based on your pre-release, I really appreciate this update. I thought I had built Lyney wrong or my timing was off, so I'm glad to have some of my issues be addressed.
Got Lyney with only 20 pulls which I didn't initially want to pull for him but I yolo pull when I don't have pity. He's fun to play and it's been a while since I main a bow character (I have Ganyu) and it's actually good that I got him since I still didn't have a dedicated Pyro main dps (*cough c2 Diluc *cough). I'm still unlucky farming a full set of Hunter for him so I'm using Wanderer set for the meantime but his damage is so good. Also I'm enjoying exploring Fontaine with him and Lynette it's fun and easier.
He is also my first dedicated pyro dps! *cough lvl20 c4 diluc *cough definitely a great pull for me.
I would have appreciated a very scuffed video but editors pulled through. My appreciation and gratitude to Mr. Zajeff and his team you are all amazing
I am starting to believe Gorou is better than Sucrose for Lyney. He has some form of resistance to interruption. He can buff pyro damage with Petra and he buffs Lyney's defense to make him less squishy (and the fact that he gives flat defense is even better, since Lyney has garbage base)
Also you can build Gorou with em and have a ok shield.
Wait, I might skip Zhongli with this little tech. Plus, I really like him (the only issue being his resistance to interruption being locked behind double geo, but you can build full em on him no problem, thankfully)
@@alexownn382about 1k EM for it to be less than OKAY. and with single geo, gorou needs 250ER to burst
@@syaoranngo2080 You are right, and moreover, you don't need the shields to be tough to have resistance to interruption, you have bennet and you don't take oneshotted with the defense buff and some healing from c4 if you have it. Building ER would be better.
💀💀💀💀💀 wth, I just stand in benny burst to heal up if i get staggered and hit 💀
Bennet E, kazuha Q, Bennet Q, Dehya E, Lyney charged attack spam into Q. Works perfectly for me and isn't complicated. Only 12 seconds of down time before the super armor comes back.
3:26 Nemesis of Copium is such a badass and hilarious boss name
For the Dehya segment and something I never really paid attention to from all of his gameplay over the years till he was focusing on charge shots only in this vid - not sure if it's mostly just him showcasing so not aiming for speedrun times/rotations or anything but I believe doing Left click wait for charge shot into R charge shot start is ever so slightly faster than just doing whichever method he's doing. Don't have a raw number but as a random guesstimate let's just say the normal method of going into the next shot while dropping it is .5s while the one I'm mentioning is .25
Left click CA > drop > repeat
or R charge shot > drop > repeat
miniscule 0.X seconds saved but hey maybe the 2 extra shots out of the 4 can be slightly faster to weave in when you do Left click to R CA over 4 LC/4 R CA
My Lyney gets his burst back every rotation so I can just use his burst + E after a couple of charge shots. Makes the down time on Deyha's stagger resistance not really matter and the team feels really good to play. Basically feels like I get a mini nuke every rotation
I just got him yesterday after a few weeks of debate. I love his cat, and I wanted to see if I could get good at charged shot gameplay (mobile player) but with a more interesting kit than ganyu’s. He seems fun, and I like his character so overall I’m happy with him :)
sam youre so fast thank you so much for this banger once again
i managed to full star the secong half with liney not yet maxxed out, for me the only thing lacking for him to be great is a support that complements his kit. Wanderer for once have way more options for team building. Kazuha and Bennet are a must but I feel like a definitive last slot is yet to come, maybe Arleccino?
You can cheese Icewind Suit boss with lyney/other CA characters if you stand in the corner of the arena. They will spam an attack where the robot lady will circle around but her attacks will never hit you, so you can proc VV/get particles on her and at the same time you can shoot the dude in the middle. Not the fastest way, but the safest
I use Lavawalker on Lyney because I had an excellent set from all the crimson witch farming i did a long time ago (my lavawalker is far better then my crimson). I am farming the new NA/Charge set but since I also want it for upcoming characters, I will be saving the good ones for them since my Lavawalker set is very good on him so far.
Oh yeah, speaking of the new Abyss, it's nice that this abyss doesn't feel pneuma/ousia reliant right now. Sure, it's only the first Fontaine abyss, but hey, we take those
Et voilat. That's why I went for him and not regretting hit. Good job zajef and the editors. Can't wait for the new characters!
I'd made up my mind and pulled Lyney less two hours before this video came out, haha. Not that it would have changed my mind. How can I stay strong when offered the option to play not one, but two kids who throw evil explosive cats around?
Big thanks to the editors for bringing this video to us on time, I'm sure it helped many people with more sensible reasons to pull. :D
Running lyney without zhongli just feels so bad (personal skill issue) but with him he just effortlessly destroys everything
You can also use Dehya on him, able to meets the passive quota.
Dehya, Lynette and Benny boy are his best friends.
Big thanks to Sam with the editing. Really digging the Pre-Release channel on a vintage CRT TV.
It's nice to see how a rotation with Dehya is done while maximizing buff uptime for Dehya enjoyers. Zajef showing how teams work with units that aren't the most optimal is something that I've always appreciated in his videos.
16:22 Shoutouts to Suske
I pulled him because I kind of like the charge attack bow user playstyle, but after playing burning melt ganyu for a while now, I really am tired of using dehya lol, his explanation of why she’s just ok with Leney definitely applies to ganyu as well
and tighnari. but tighnari get help by his E that able to compress your charge attack time for 3-5 sec for 3 charge attack
@Kindi001 she's not good with Tigh cause Pyro ruins spread
I find that swapping out Kazuha for Lynette works quite well. Her burst taunting is a decent defensive support and she can still use VV. Its not much of a damage loss vs boss's but you will miss how well Kazuha groups enemies.
The damage loss is not small since Kazuha gives up to 40% damage bonus, vs 12% atk bonus by Lynette (Bennett already gives massive atk buff so damage buff becomes more valuable). However she can be an alternative due to her taunt utility like you said for players who don't have Zhongli and needs Kazuha for the other team, and she can still use VV.
It's so satisfying to Q E and see the big red numbers on your screen with half the enemies hp gone plus his animations are pretty (that cool af card NA animation is such a waste though)
His C1 is very good if your using sac bow on him- and this is actually a pretty solid weapon on him.
It has a high base attack,gives slight er to fulfill his needs,it generates extra energy for xiangling,and you get double the skill damage.
I've been playing genshin since launch how did I just find out sac bow has a high base atk 😭 I was convinced it matches fav bow the way sac and fav swords are the same
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04:20 I can confirm. I played Bennet Xiangling Kazuha team and my Lyney not only got staggered but killed. Bennet and Kazuha and Xiangling 3 starred the floor with dead Lyney
As someone who wanted him before his release and still wanted him when everyone didn't want "another Ganyu", im glad everyone's enjoying him now.
I lost my 50/50 to Mona, I believe genshin knows what an account needs😂
Great video as always zajef, and holy sht the editor did a imposible job, that was fast af, thanks.
Will I ever pull for Lyney? No.
Will I watch the full video immediately? Yes!
I love seeing people hyperanalyze game balance, really in any game. Zajef makes the meta entertaining, and I say that as someone who doesn't really care about the abyss that much.
same, personally i just clear 11-3 and only try 12 when i think its easy enough, but listening to him passionately talk about meta is very entertaining. and the occasional dank cooks are funny to try out lel
I couldn't complete 12-2-2 with Lyney when playing at point blank with Benny, Kazuha and Xiangling because he ALWAYS gets interrupted. BUT then I decided to keep my distance shooting from afar and only then I managed to complete it, even despite that his damage wasn't buffed by Benny and Kazuha. Which always was my preferred style of playing with Ganyu, but with Lyney it's even better because he has a better taunt.
Overall I'm very happy with Lyney, I'm glad I've pulled him and triple crowned
That first point about new set and squishiness is very true, it will get worse over time.
I've found when using no shield teams with him starting with his burst instead of charge shots helps being staggered since it spawns a taunt
tysm omfg !!
Xiangling is a better option at this stage purely because there are no other real alternatives but she is a suboptimal one as the main aspect of Lynsey’s gameplay is a charge attack stack which generates taunt. He is meant to be played from a distance not with a melee character. For this reason Kazuha is the same. I hope arlechino and cloud retainer sort this out. As for shielder I find Baizhu at c2 work well esp with the new artifacts set. Yes you get burn but you don’t die and you’re still doing a ton of damage. Don’t have zhongli yet, should be interesting to see the difference.
lost my 50/50 to dehya and grinded freemos until i got him in 76 pity (had a lot of unplayed content so it was fairly painless grind tho) at first i purely wanted him for his character and the fontaine siblings trio bcs im sentimental and has no expectations for his gameplay bcs i dislike ganyu's playstyle but damn he turned to be SUPERRRR fun to play and the drama! the feeling of finishing an enemy using his E and then watching him bow is the best thing ever, i hope genshin gonna do more of this type of flair into characters' kit
Love the little TV, w from Editor Sam
I hope arrlecchino synergize well with Lyney team but then seeing what they did with Lynette I’m being too hopeful
damn the editors doing gods work
Editor deservers a raise for this one mans a freaking MVP how fast he got it out
Thank you editors for your quick work! ❤
thank you editor sam (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*.✧
Setting sail, coming home, I see you a man of culture as well
Thank you and Editor Sam!
I tried to pull Aqua for my Yelan and ended up getting Lyney's signature. Since nobody really uses that weapon, ended up using my guaranteed to get Lyney. Hope I can have fun with him whenever it is that I end up building him since the queue to fix my clusterfuck of characters is so high, I might be using him next year.
Editor Sam you're the goat!
thank you editor sam
Thank you Editor Sam!
on god if a boss even sneezes in lyney's general direction he's almost wiped out on his own LMAO
19:12 Laylas shield is thin? Doesn’t she have the best shield after zhongli? I stack hp on her and have talent 9 on the shield and its good? Do i just not know how zhongli is????????
Yeah, and Copelius boss does Cryo damage.... The math isn't mathing here
Yeah Layla is more than good enough for me on floor 12. I don't have Zhongli but Layla feels good enough that I don't feel the need to pull for him.
Thank you Editor Sam
thank you editor Sam
they should've made baizhu an anemo character.. imagine an anemo shield that breaks quickly, but deals infused dmg according to the element that hit it, along with anemo dmg.....
Thank you Sam
Editors legendary! Well done Sam. King shit
SAM was a hero editing this, like Flash of editing... mister Zajof must pay him well, right? pepeW
ever since i pulled Hu Tao, this might be the first Abyss thats so ... Hu Tao friendly.
This has been the opposite experience from me. I’ve used her in nearly every one, even the corrosion ones because I run her on Hp sands
After playing with him I came to a conclusion that he is really similar to Alhaitham, a slighty situational upgrade to an already good team, not much flexibility, needs to do a proper combo (this aspect is more important on Alhaitham) and feels bad to play without a shielder (this aspect is more important on Lyney)
I just hope in the future we got more support alternatives for him since he is really fun to play
If you think Alhaitham is situational, inflexible or requires a shield then you have mean playing some strange version of Alhaitham because that's not the case at all.
He appreciates resistance to interruption (XQ, Beidou) but you can just dodge and still get his mirror proccs. He has a range of teammates for Quickbloom or Spread variants.
As for "situational upgrade"...? He and Nahida fulfill different roles and, in fact, share a best team (where they work *together*). If you're talking about Tighnari, he is way less flexible and only barely better than Alhaitham in pure single target, granted you have his signature bow. Otherwise, f2p Alhaitham beats him even there.
@@abbystafford7549 Resistance to interruption does not go well with his F2P BiS HoD, also batterying a low investment Beidou, especially on solo Electro is not very efficient.
I don't know if it's a high ping problem, but dodging with Alhaitham can make his sword rain go to the wrong direction, making a huge DPS loss.
And his only teams are Quickbloom and Quicken, his teammates have flexibility, not him, Burgeon felt bad, Quickburn terrible and I tried to use him as quickswap with Hyper Raiden, was fun but it was Raiden doing the most heavy lifting.
Don't get me wrong his teams are strong but he is not flexible, compare him to Raiden (Hyper, National, HB, Aggravate) or Ayato (Off fielder, HB, Burgeon, Mono Hydro) even Cyno has more options (Quickbloom, Quickburn, Aggravate, Chaos or even full EM if you're onto this shit)
I am also not comparing him to Tighnari since I do not have him.
As for me, for Alhaitham I like to use him with Baizhu, since it frees the Nahida slot and makes you have to evade less to avoid the mirrors missing
Sam my brother ou did this video justice. Cheers to tour hardwork my bey
Please don't play ToM zhongli the up time on the buff is still pretty bad, since the pillar is stationary. Please stick with petra, just because you lose field time with lyney specifically, does not mean it's a "bad" set for him
I love editing on zajeff77 videos
pog editor for doing this so fast
i actually also noticed the dmg difference between 2pc 2pc and maree chausee on lyney its very noticeable yeah it gives a lot of stats but i get 76% percent crit rate from substats alone w a crit dmg bow and my artifacts come from the godly gladiator pieces u get while farming bosses and stuff. i still think u should farm maree chausee but if u have a godly 2pc 2pc i think u should use it
I do think another important thing that Zajeff didnt talk about was pneuma/ousia and how that affects Lyney's pull value.
Hes currently our only Fontaine character thats actually good. Lynette is fine since shes off field, but for pneuma the options are a little rough. You might think that imcreases Lyney's pull value.
HOWEVER, at least in this abyss, it is pretty easy to brute force the ousia/pneuma mechanics. So don't worry about pulling him for that.
I’m wondering if we’ll ever actually feel we need a pneuma/ousia. Hu Tao and Childe absolutely shredded this abyss for me
@@mc9474 I don't think so,The Pneuma/Ousia mechanic only do certain things, like the Algorithm boss where we need the quicken state but you still can brute force it. On the other hand, it's a good mechanic for casual players to feel the fontaine characters "stronger" and motivate them to play the Abyss because currently only 10% or less of the community play it.
@@mc9474 When we start getting the Pneuma/Ousia shield monuments in Floor 12 (like what's currently on Floor 9), I think we'll start to feel as if it's more necessary unfortunately. Element shields can just be incredibly cringe to try and work around, especially at Floor 12 HP values. It also just depends on how much they build the future bosses around the mechanic since it's currently not terribly intrusive but could very easily change.
@@DarthMogsIf you are a meta player, and pull wisely, you will probably always be able to brute force anything. That's never not been the case.
In 12-3-2, my Lyney died with boss having 70% HP. Even then Bennett, Kazuha and Xingling cleared that stage way before time.
I started grinding for a full week and i got Tighnari so this is another character to add to the pile of "I hope they're in the next patch"
Based on my experience, you can actually "cheat" this Dehya-Bennett field timing problem: by learning how to dodge and keep moving when you aim.
First you may shoot two shooting without buffs, then place the other rotation like kazuha/lynette/anemo, then apply dehya then bennett. After that, use your burst quick to heal a little, now you get three stack, charge two more, then you get 5 stacks + two unbuffed dmg as a result.
The next part, the best part, is kaboom with his E.
I dunno maybe other can comment on this?
im personally running lyney with 4pc marechaussee and his sig along with 4pc archaic zhongli, 4pc tenacity dehya and 4pc noblesse bennett
gonna swap out either dehya or zhongli for kazuha once i have him:)
im still testing out rotations but so far 1-2 charged attacks, bennett burst, dehya skill, 2 more charged attacks, burst, and then skill has worked pretty decently for me
great work editor sam!
Hooray for fast editors!
Thank you editor Sam we love you
Take my energy, Editor Sam!