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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- Once more return to the basics on OGS! This game was great 'cause our opponent this time tried to get away with a lot of strange stuff, but basics win the day again!
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Basic series are always a pleasure to watch, and I appreciate that you are calm and that you don't pretend to be furious anymore when you see something you can kill. Thank you and keep it up.
I'm about 5 kyu kgs and although I would like to think that I'd be able to read out the sequence that would kill the group on the top, it's also something that I could have easily missed. The problem with listening to the chat is that a dan level player can easily read the sequence, but many of the kyu level players in the chat only see the killing move, because you pointed it out (or perhaps I'm just assuming things).
I often unconsciously do the same thing, when I think I correctly answered one of your questions, but in reality it might have been that I was just getting some major hints by looking at the mouse cursor.
Even if it was a basic kill, I think winning without killing drives the point of the series better: no need to kill to win if you follow some basic rules. And honestly, might be easy to see when watching someone else play, but during a game I might have not seen it even though I'm 6 kyu.
If you want your opponent to see these things and not get killed, 9-10 kyu opponents are probably too low.
Yeah that was my thought, too!
I'd still be really suspicious playing someone named Sandy Baggins...
Thanks for your work (back to basics and more!). I enjoy and appreciate it.
Everyone has an opinion about how to teach basics, just keep doing what you are doing, we are going to learn either way. If I want to see massive attempts to kill I'll just watch the normal stream. Keep up the good work!
I'm about 15k and i think i would have played the diagonal g15 and then thought about it for 2 min and saw that i can poke an eye. so even without knowing that i can kill it... throwing in would be a move i make. ( and its likely I would be able to read the death, alone in 1 min)
I love your basic series! please keep the good work going!
Love from Germany
I highly doubt a 10k would of noticed that you can falsify the eye in the group. The only reason people see it is because you pointed it out or a higher level player mentioned it in chat. Just like in Tsumego if you point out the first correct move, the problem becomes wayyyy easier.
Agreed. I'm currently about 9 kyu KGS (although, over the board, I often win my fair share of even games against self-proclaimed 3-6 kyus), and I did not see the kill at the moment Dwyrin saw it...
However, I'd probably notice it a few moves later (if it were still possible).
Lol "Do it!" guy that urged you to kill soundeed like Palpatine
Great series! Only problem is it feels like some of the moves are first thought of and then justified, and not the other way around.. I might be wrong being a mere 9 kyu..
Why dont you use the analyze mode show us how things could have gone? It would be great!
I for one understand, appreciate, and very much benefit from the pure basics series without killing, for the record. It's good to see fundamentals winning out, both as training and also as a confidence-builder. That said, MAN White worked hard to die in this one haha. Also your chat is full of assholes, apparently. Good times.
Thanks Batts!
great lecture sir! :)
Nope didn't see it until you pointed out. 6 kyu here.
as a 9kyu i would not have noticed that group dying at the end. i would have protected at F18 right away though, so maybe you should have taken that instead.
Cool!
"I won't do it! I won't do it!
"peacefull ddk edition"
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This is the reason I do not play on OGS. Every player I have gone against does not understand what an overplay is. They are hyper aggressive and will jump into any invasion point they see with complete and utter disregard for the saftey of their own group. It is annoying to play against them when the way they play makes you feel like they completely disregard the value in your moves.
To be fair a lot of people dont realize their moves are overplays and its something you are going to see on almost every server. Which is.... ok. A lot of getting better isnt finding the right moves, but knowing how to handle the bad ones.
And I would understand that, If it wasn't for the fact that everyone does it. I thought tygem was aggressive before I started playing on OGS. If this was a process of getting better, then it seems that no one on those servers properly punishes anything. It's good to be confident, but to have no fear at all is not going to help someone get better at the game.
Thank you for your reply and I do understand where you are coming from. It's just frustrating feeling like you opponent has no respect for you whatsoever.
I feel like this unrealmista... dude was being so aggressive against your basics philosophy because you were pointing out weaknesses in his play, but he considered himself better than "the basics."
I think that kill was pretty basic... falsifying an eye should be pretty basic
Don't run with a small night or 2 space extension... Eureka!
Absolutely a basic kill, and the 9k was practically forcing it by keeping sente and playing those endgame moves too early... but it really wasn't necessary. That's the value of the basics series. People who get to SDK only by being good at L&D, even though they suck at a positional/strategic level--and that is many kyu players (like me!)--can learn a completely different style and continue to improve. The board is too big; there's only so far that L&D will take you; and that's the point of the whole exercise as I understand it. In that sense, in a teaching game like this where you don't actually care if you win or lose, maybe it's better to let the opponent live in that situation, and use it as a chance to work in another little lesson (say, on taking profit while making threats).