James, the broken odometer is due to a combination of age and unintentional operator error. When resetting the odometer, the car should be stationary. If not the gears inside the odometer can skip. As the plastic ages, they simply break teeth off instead of skipping. Might even be in the manual.
Yes! Two weeks in my S3 won on dream car giveaway. Love it! Just having spacers removed from the rear wheels as they rubbed on the arches when I hit bumps. Not touched anything else. Happy to drive it down to you.
I think Jay should’ve known how this would’ve been perceived before filming, even if it was a genuine win, and quietly kept the car off TH-cam. He’s left himself open to this I’m afraid. Too many coincidences here.
You know... If you owned this raffle company and wanted some great advertising for your operation, it would be extremely convenient for someone who's a relatively well known TH-cam personality to win your first raffle. Especially if it just happened to be the exact vehicle said TH-cam personality happened to be lusting after. Not suggesting that anything untoward went down... Just that if you did wanna do something like that, you could.
@@JayEmmOnCars Fair point... And for the record, I definitely don't think you'd be in on any shenanigans, you seem to go to great pains in order to keep your reputation for integrity at the core of your channel. Just saying if one did want to do that... It would be a good shenanigan to do.
@@Cornwall1888 Yeah man, I don't think James is up to anything untoward... It's just my business brain ticking over and thinking "well if it were my company, it'd be a tempting angle to play."
Woo-hoo I got to do the 1000th like. Happy days. Although, there were no balloons or camera crew around to film the occasion. Anyway, now that's out, great video again Jay. I really love your whole production style. No bs, just as it is. Top job.
Word to the wise, Jay- if you use the key to open the hatch the turning of the lock pulls on a pair of physical cables which release the hatch. The electric release is only from the interior switch. My electric release has been broken for years, but I still have no trouble opening the hatch on mine. Also, if you happen to come across a parts car and need to get in, you can also do so manually (either by shoving a screwdriver in the lock and turning, or by reaching a hand inside and turning the lock manually from inside the car). Have done this a few times now.
Are you absolutely sure about this? Is your car also a later one? I have looked at the mechanism and it appears to operate purely electrically even when using the key in boot
@@JayEmmOnCars mine is an ‘87 944S, and I haven’t been able to open the hatch electrically in several years. It works fine on the key, so unless the mechanism changed between ‘87 and ‘88 you should be fine.
I have an F reg SE and the boot release is electronic. I have had to climb trough the cabin, at 5AM, to get to the battery to attach the jump leads. Obviously it was -5C and I would be docked 15 minutes pay if I clocked in a second late...
@@pd4165 maybe this is a difference between UK market cars and other markets? In LHD markets the battery is also not in the boot, it’s at the front of the car. Open the hood and it’s on the passenger side of the car under the leading edge of the windshield.
What serendipity that another TH-camr with almost 200k subscribers just happened to win the car and was able to offer such extra advertising. If I were a cynical person...
@@JayEmmOnCars I don't recall suggesting that you were involved in anything untoward. However, with luck like yours, you may consider investing in a few lottery tickets.
Lovely car. One thing I spotted early on and then cannot unsee - is there looks to be a huge panel gap on the n/s to bonnect straight edge. Hopefully it's just the camera positioning accentuating an "ok" gap but if not I'd get it looked at body wise over all - it may have had an altercation of sorts over the years.
If the battery is flat you can open the bonnet and in the scuttle area there is a blue cover (drivers side). Under the blue cover there is a terminal you can apply 12v and then open the boot (not suitable for jump starting - go to the battery for that)
I have entered maybe a dozen of those raffles over the years and was never even close. Good on you for winning and it was even for something you genuinely could keep long term. Cheers man.
Thanks chap. I don't think it will hang around forever, but I intend to look after it as best I can and make sure it stays with an enthusiast when the time comes
Comments are funny. It’s a 951 with 200k miles- not sure the man would risk the reputation to secure it. However, the raffle company is going to have to explain and provide transparency in the process if they’re going to allow this type of publication post-raffle.
Curious James as to your thoughts now that you have the 944 Turbo on how it compares to the Lotus Excel you were genuinely considering as a classic, given you have owned one of them before. I was looking at Excel SE's in mid-2020 after the first UK lockdown, went & saw two (wasn't able to test drive) and while I was impressed with condition and interior quality (lots of lovely leather, wood and soft trim headlining that all impart a luxury feel - virtually absent from any 944) I also felt the Excel packaging flexibility, rear visibility and driver ergonomics (I'm 187.5cm tall) were all inferior to the Porsche. So I bought a well priced '87 Turbo with 250 Bhp engine upgrade. The 944 Coupe folding rear seat/hatch area, tilt/removable sunroof, properly functioning climate control air-con, galvanised body as well as build/quality robustness make the car everyday use appealing and in Turbo form, still has genuine power & torque that impress in 2021 through the seat of the pants. This is my 2nd (I had an '86 220 Bhp 952 before moving to the UK) and I still struggle to think of a more useable modern classic sportscar with rapid performance, reliability and serviceability (google "clarks-garage.com" for the ultimate online self servicing & repair website/forum). But of course, I've had one before so I've hardly made an adventurous choice and there are only so many years to own all of your dream cars. So with that in mind, I'd be curious to know of the qualities I'm missing out on by not choosing Lotus most useable sportscar. How does the steering, handling, road-holding, driver feel and performance (less power but lighter package) compare?
Please make more videos of the celica ! It is a really magnificent thing. Also I think many of us would be interested in presenting older japanese cars , such as older celicas , rx7s etc
I bought myself a 944 turbo with the later spoiler design, black with cream leather interior as a 25 year old birthday present to myself (25 years ago). Fabulous car at the time and I really enjoyed it.
Really nice vid. Like many I play quite a lot of these raffles over the last year, like you say kinda just do them in the hope of winning like with a scratch card Do find it a bit disappointing it wasn’t serviced or even thoroughly checked over it in honest, whilst we aren’t paying the full price for the vehicle if we win for the raffle ticket, overall we’re all collectively paying well over market for the raffle cars and so there is certainly money in the pot for the companies to make them truly good reliable examples
@@JayEmmOnCars I suspect it was self-serviced given that all that money was spent on the sills. You probably have the address of the previous owner from the documentation you have. Is it worth a letter?
Seems like a genuinely good car. As to the benefits of regular servicing, I once had an Opel Berlinetta Coupé 'serviced' at a main Vauxhall dealer, from whence it would continually refuse to restart when stopped at traffic lights and the like, after driving for a while, until it had completely cooled down; it took me quite a while to find out that the Vauxhall twonks had replaced an oil filter with an incorrect sized one.
One of these were my dream car for a long time as a kid. Of course now that I possibly could afford one, many years later, they dont suit my needs anymore. Such is life.
Andrew MC yes some low mileage cars have been advertised in Australia for that money but you'll find they are selling in the $40 - 50k AUD zone - my immaculate Alpine white '86 220Bhp car, owned since 2009 and sold by Shannon's in my absence (living in the UK since 2016) in Feb 2021, settled at $42.5k. A bargain given how good I know the car to be, but in all honestly, probably fair.
You need an E34 M5 in your life, the last handbuild M car, luxuries, sporty, classic, and simple while looking timeless and still feeling as steady as a much newer car.
I had an S2. That's what happened to me. Was shown how to reset the trip meter but wasn't told that I had to be stationary. Stupid design that it breaks so easily. The gear is cheap. The only cost is in the labour.
@@JayEmmOnCars last year we bought our 17 year old son a 2003 Jaguar S-Type 3.0 He loves the car. Granted, its not an R, but it still turns heads. He's a senior in high school now.
Gambling laws in UK prevent anyone raffling anything unless you are non-profit, registered charity and there are rules in terms of a public space and a set time to publically announce the winner. Becuase one person has done it everyone sees it as a quick way to get rich quick and seems to have forgotten to check the legality of any of it, or conveniently forgotten to look.
Makes me wonder why the seller didn't spend the same amount of money and raffle it off in a good condition (ie not need the AA, service and an illegal exhaust). TGE and associates have lost my trust unfortunately.
Given how much they spent and the sentimental value of it I am surprised they sold it at all. I was told space was the reason they let it go, plus I suppose eventually we do have to part with some of these things
Man I've always wanted one of those. They're getting a bit pricey now though, especially the Turbos. I'd love to get my hands on a non-Turbo and stuff as LS into it. I know it's cliche to put an LS into anything now but it really does suit the 944. It's a great platform with a dinky engine. It deserves a 300-350 hp V8. On a similar note, got my hands on a 1993 Miata in great shape, save the drivetrain has 197k on it. Still runs strong, well as strong as the 1.6 is, but I've got the AJ30 swap kit on the way. The NA is another great chassis in search of a great engine. The 3.0 Jag V6 is just about perfect for that car. Also, I've always wondered how on a relatively small island y'all manage to have so much countryside.
Do you get a wind whistle off the driver side flag mirror? I own one of these and it drives me crazy. It comes from the where the mirror base splits for adjustment.
I share the sentiment I'm seeing in the comments a lot - Whilst I don't think for a moment that Jay was at all in on it, I think the giveaway company probably selected him in an attempt to maximize exposure. I don't think the condition of the car indicates otherwise, it's in pretty good condition for a car of its age and if they were comfortable giving it away to the public they'd likely be happy giving it to a youtuber. Not a great reflection on the company either way. No reflection on Jay of course.
If you believe this for even one second I highly recommend you report this to the police. What you're talking about is fraud. Very serious, and with severe consequences.
@@JayEmmOnCars In the absence of evidence I don't believe anything, I find it an interesting, possible and maybe probable scenario, as many others seem to, but since I don't really have a dog in the fight so to speak and since there is no real victim it seems pointless to report it to anyone or do anything other than pass comment on it. (Not to mention the ridiculous faff of having to jump through many hoops with action fraud before the police will even investigate a fraud case). If I'd bought tickets I might be otherwise inclined and motivated to ask some questions about the transparency of the selection process. It is of course completely possible that it was pure chance, I'm not a statistician and I wouldn't like to speculate. All I'm saying is that for the company involved it's highly convenient, too good to be true you might say - and things that look too good to be true, usually are. Of course this is all speculation and I've probably grown too cynical in my old age. Maybe it's all above board and the company just had an immense stroke of luck. Either way, you've ended up with a great fun car so don't let my - or anyone's speculative comments prevent you from enjoying it, it's just the bottom bit of TH-cam after all :)
@@mrc7966 methinks you are only one step away from the raffle company launching a defamation case against. Suggest you quit while you are ahead. Your comments are unwarranted.
The NA 944 S2 was seen as the better version to have back in the day, but no doubt the turbo with big badge has some presence. I prefer the updated 'bridge spoiler' on the later models (post 90 I think) rather than the pretty awful rubber thing, and if I were you I'd change that if you're keeping it.
Maybe the s2 was seen as better, but any speed nutters would have wanted the turbo. I know I certainly did, but then again I was hardly in the target market.
@@GoldenCroc I can't disagree with that Croc, probably good arguments to suit both tbh, turbo shove or smooth low down torque of the 3l in the S2. Only 10bhp in it between the standard turbo and the S2, so it would have to be the full fat 250 S model with better boost for me if I was going for a turbo.
@@stuartm1275 Yes, but as far as a remember, all turbos were 250hp when the s2 were sold, the 220hp version had stopped production. At least, that was the case in the market were I am located, I think. Maybe in some markets it retained 220hp for whatever reason, but not in continental europe, making the difference 40hp or about 20%. Even in those days the turbo was popular to tune to about 300-320 hp, making it very fast for its time. S2 is nice, but for the "morons" like me would rather have the turbo for those reasons. Cheers.
I alwways had a hanerking for one of them. Nice one Jay. As for those questioning the raffle... a few years back a friend of mine organised a raffle for charity and him being a mate I bought three ticket(real wild spender I am 😆). Anyway, there were a couple of thousand tickets sold and on the day the prizes started to be drawn. Early one of my numbers came up and I collected my small prize, to good natured hoots from the assembled people of "fix!*. 😆 Other prizes were duly won and handed out. Then came the grand prize. The lass fumbling about in the tombola picked out a number. Mine. 😲 Now since I felt a bit guilty, I suggested no, we should put that ticket aside and roll again. She picked out another number from the pile. Mine _again_ 😲😲 Yeah. Over the speakers you could hear my friend say "oh for f*** sake" 😂 So it can happen. And yes I let it roll again.
Watched recent video of Hagerty, hosted by Jason Cammisa, on history of Porsche 924/944. Informative and fun. Some of Cammisa's video are very good, almost Top Gear level of old. 944 has aged pretty well.
smwatson1512 said 'Good work if you can get it.' Well get it then! I'm a bit surprised at the auction price (I have an SE - don't think it's 'worth' anything close to that) but speculating to accumulate is what business is about. Get a loan, put some hours in and you're off. I was tempted to auction a Capri last christmas, but needed the cash in a hurry (strangely enough to get my SE repaired) so didn't have time to set up a raffle. Now regretting the decision.
Lots of maintununce content ahead of you. A Ford Ranger 2.3 would look nice in there, and those will take a snail fart with a cam, and the b.a.t. with a pic of the (old) engine on a pallet would be interesting, cuz it is like a MySpace selling app, gobz of comments and photos.
@@pd4165 Well I paid money to win the Lamborghini about 1 year ago in the Raffle he recommended and it turned out to be a scam. I reported them, and unfortunately they set up the raffle with loopholes covering their asses. So now he wins the first one, ran by his mate in another Raffle. I was so happy to see the Lambo on his channel where it wasn't Raffled off and reviewed after someone bought it from them. Oh.. and the 3rd place said he has never paid out. No mention of 'all you guys who tried to win the car, bad luck, it wasn't raffled and you could have had chance of winning a lame other first prize', so sorry about that. But look at me, I can now drive the car that wasn't Raffled.
£17K is a shit-tonne! Mine has half that mileage - last time I checked the classifieds I worked out mine would be 'worth' £8Kish according to their asking prices (half the mileage but some items to sort - the E10 issue looks a bit pricey). But for the price of a raffle ticket - bargain.
Back when the Turbo version of the 944 came out their performance was on par with the 911. I could never figure out why someone would want one over a Carrera. Now the value difference make it a bargain.
Why not? Cheaper, and faster for most people. Easier to drive. More practical, more comfortable and more modern. Easier to tune for more speed. I would say thats quite a lot of objective reasons, dont know how you could have missed all of them? Nothing wrong with preferring a 911, but "cant think of a reason", seems a bit of a stretch... unless you were just joking?
@@daveblock4061 Ah, just as I thought then, a figure of speech/joke to show how much more you like the 911. Still, I felt I needed to write a few basic reasons in case somebody did genuinly wonder what the 944:s advantages were.
nope never buy a crappy trash 944 condition bec it will be worthless bottomlesss money pit.. always buy the best sample is the only way. if u buy project u wil never get the same money as the good condition one ever.. bec it is not original and worthless.
As the owner of a pair of 16v I would say once you get past the punch list of things you must do they are pretty good. But the punch list is extensive. Clutch, master and slave, motor mounts, belts, tensioner, front struts, upper cam cover seal, balance shaft housing cover seal. To this you might also add in power steering elements- the three hoses, reservoir, pump and rack. The windshield washer system. Exhaust system. And air con. The parts alone for the above are over $4k and they will be necessary, unless done in the last year. Most have not had that. So what do you buy then? Good paint and interior and seals and gaskets. Those are really painful to buy or restore. If the seats and dash and door cards and carpets are good it’s good car to start with. But expect to add $5-8k to the purchase price to a 944, less if you can do the work yourself.
No. After the owner passed away in 2008 the car covered relatively few miles. I think whenever anything broke, it got fixed - but regular servicing didn't seem to be done after 2011. It was stored for a time I think
That's what I do on my bought new 89 944 Turbo S with an ex AA mechanic doing bigger jobs (replaced fuel and brake lines). Now replaced with an Audi S3 Sportback and just need to sort out some minor issues and sell it.
@@antoinepageau8336 so the way they do it is you get assigned a random number for each ticket you buy, then the Google random number generator is used to pick a winning number, then they see who the number is attached to
I had this - surprisingly small amount of bother - if you're in town you leave the relay in, if on a run leave it out (unless you're on track the airflow through the rad is sufficient). As classic car woes go this is relatively minor.
Do the heater and the cruise work? They're the usual suspects. I rebuilt the cruise module (the one in the engine bay) but it appears the computer (passenger footwell) needs rebuilding too...and I haven't had the patience to do it...in fifteen years of ownership :-O Apparently cruising at 115 is the norm, and it doesn't hang about trying to get there. And did you actually say £17k? I have an SE and I love it...when it works properly. It has tried to kill me - had me sideways on the M6 - wet road (biblical) plus wrong tyre pressures - not excessive speed. Though it was excessive for those tyre pressures, obviously. The cruise tried to spin up a wheel when I went onto a white line, then the LSD remembered to work. Seeing juggernauts approaching in the passenger window really checks your brown alert button! Headlight pop-ups seem to be reliable - check the massive bar connecting them (I thought it was an anti-roll bar at first).
Can i say your a petrol head like me and I say things like I may keep this car forever but that really means I’ll keep it until something comes along bigger and better hey 😂 and keep up the good work
Nice 944. Lots of videos already, but where’s the quattroporte updates! Italian cars don’t like being neglected you know, best do an update quick before it GTS upset and spits its dummy out :)
It has been away for about two months having some work done (nothing major, just taken a while as parts got stuck in customs) and will be collecting it Thursday. Update to be filmed soon after
Back in the day I remember being extremely surprised that Porsche decided to give the dull-as-ditch-water, van-engined 924 a completely new lease of life with the brawny, counterbalanced slant-4 (half a 928 engine?). I never had the slightest interest in the 924 (and still don't), but the 944 - much more like it.
I would have been surprised if they didnt, the things changed from the 924 cost way less than to start from scratch, they would be mad not to try it when it could be done for such a relatively low cost. Frankly I am surprised at your surprise.
I asked you for comparision between Turbo S and S2, you said you prefer S2, is it still true? I'm probably buying Turbo S(LSD, fully adjustable suspension, chipped, sport seats) tomorrow, but have option of a mint S2.
Having owned a Turbo SE for 15 years - I shudda got a 3L. It's a brillant GT car, apart from the sports seats (too sporty for long rides) - a N/A engine would suit better for back roads. The turbo lag is 80's - manageable but not as entertaining as an instantly responding engine. How often do you GT a classic compared to weekend blasts down B roads? As for the LSD - they wear out. After about 80k they're more liability than use. Coming at a time when you're thinking of an engine rebuild...which do you skimp on?
Oh and you can always ship it over the pond to me. Since you got it for a hundred quid, I figure you’re ahead if I give you a couple of thousand+shipping…
James, the broken odometer is due to a combination of age and unintentional operator error. When resetting the odometer, the car should be stationary. If not the gears inside the odometer can skip. As the plastic ages, they simply break teeth off instead of skipping. Might even be in the manual.
What a convenient win, all around.
Yes! Two weeks in my S3 won on dream car giveaway. Love it! Just having spacers removed from the rear wheels as they rubbed on the arches when I hit bumps. Not touched anything else. Happy to drive it down to you.
If only you could win some new shirts! 😆
Leave those shirts alone!
The shirts and the theme music sorts the men from the goats.
Nah, keep the shirts. The shirts are his signature.
@@joeblack007 That’s right, win more shirts! 😂
Yeh, just don’t try and raffle the shirts…
I'd like to win a GT-2 but it needs to be left hand drive.
get it right at any cost. you'll be glad you did when they double in price in next 5 years
That's exactly what I'm 'banking' on with mine
I must admit i have a bit of a soft spot for the 944 and the 968s. People are asking silly money for 968s but they don't seem to move.
I think Jay should’ve known how this would’ve been perceived before filming, even if it was a genuine win, and quietly kept the car off TH-cam. He’s left himself open to this I’m afraid. Too many coincidences here.
Yep... odd that a YTer won it....
You know... If you owned this raffle company and wanted some great advertising for your operation, it would be extremely convenient for someone who's a relatively well known TH-cam personality to win your first raffle.
Especially if it just happened to be the exact vehicle said TH-cam personality happened to be lusting after.
Not suggesting that anything untoward went down... Just that if you did wanna do something like that, you could.
If you wanted to sneakily promote a business you wouldn't give a car with broken clocks and a hole in the exhaust to a notoriously honest TH-camr
You also havent been premoting the name over the place.
Maybe he bought lots of tickets because he was lusting after it so therefore had a good chance of winning 🤷♂️
@@JayEmmOnCars Fair point... And for the record, I definitely don't think you'd be in on any shenanigans, you seem to go to great pains in order to keep your reputation for integrity at the core of your channel.
Just saying if one did want to do that... It would be a good shenanigan to do.
@@Cornwall1888 Yeah man, I don't think James is up to anything untoward... It's just my business brain ticking over and thinking "well if it were my company, it'd be a tempting angle to play."
Woo-hoo I got to do the 1000th like. Happy days. Although, there were no balloons or camera crew around to film the occasion.
Anyway, now that's out, great video again Jay. I really love your whole production style. No bs, just as it is. Top job.
Word to the wise, Jay- if you use the key to open the hatch the turning of the lock pulls on a pair of physical cables which release the hatch. The electric release is only from the interior switch.
My electric release has been broken for years, but I still have no trouble opening the hatch on mine.
Also, if you happen to come across a parts car and need to get in, you can also do so manually (either by shoving a screwdriver in the lock and turning, or by reaching a hand inside and turning the lock manually from inside the car). Have done this a few times now.
Are you absolutely sure about this? Is your car also a later one? I have looked at the mechanism and it appears to operate purely electrically even when using the key in boot
@@JayEmmOnCars mine is an ‘87 944S, and I haven’t been able to open the hatch electrically in several years. It works fine on the key, so unless the mechanism changed between ‘87 and ‘88 you should be fine.
I have an F reg SE and the boot release is electronic.
I have had to climb trough the cabin, at 5AM, to get to the battery to attach the jump leads.
Obviously it was -5C and I would be docked 15 minutes pay if I clocked in a second late...
@@pd4165 maybe this is a difference between UK market cars and other markets? In LHD markets the battery is also not in the boot, it’s at the front of the car. Open the hood and it’s on the passenger side of the car under the leading edge of the windshield.
What serendipity that another TH-camr with almost 200k subscribers just happened to win the car and was able to offer such extra advertising. If I were a cynical person...
So you think I'm happy to risk being done for a very serious crime for a 944?
@@JayEmmOnCars I don't recall suggesting that you were involved in anything untoward. However, with luck like yours, you may consider investing in a few lottery tickets.
@@resnonverba137 😂😂
Yeah there tends to be an element of serendipity when anyone wins a raffle. Mostly because it's a raffle.
What a lovely car, classic design. The popups work, everything else is a bonus!
Lovely car. One thing I spotted early on and then cannot unsee - is there looks to be a huge panel gap on the n/s to bonnect straight edge.
Hopefully it's just the camera positioning accentuating an "ok" gap but if not I'd get it looked at body wise over all - it may have had an altercation of sorts over the years.
Sat with you before you collected this! Glad to see you are enjoying it!
This I think would be my perfect 944, the colour, wheels and Turbo decal really set it off
If the battery is flat you can open the bonnet and in the scuttle area there is a blue cover (drivers side). Under the blue cover there is a terminal you can apply 12v and then open the boot (not suitable for jump starting - go to the battery for that)
I have entered maybe a dozen of those raffles over the years and was never even close. Good on you for winning and it was even for something you genuinely could keep long term.
Cheers man.
Thankyou Kyle!
Very cool car. Hopefully you can get it sorted and makes lots of content with it. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
That's the plan!
Good win. The car has a good home with you. Have fun.
Thanks chap. I don't think it will hang around forever, but I intend to look after it as best I can and make sure it stays with an enthusiast when the time comes
Comments are funny. It’s a 951 with 200k miles- not sure the man would risk the reputation to secure it.
However, the raffle company is going to have to explain and provide transparency in the process if they’re going to allow this type of publication post-raffle.
Curious James as to your thoughts now that you have the 944 Turbo on how it compares to the Lotus Excel you were genuinely considering as a classic, given you have owned one of them before. I was looking at Excel SE's in mid-2020 after the first UK lockdown, went & saw two (wasn't able to test drive) and while I was impressed with condition and interior quality (lots of lovely leather, wood and soft trim headlining that all impart a luxury feel - virtually absent from any 944) I also felt the Excel packaging flexibility, rear visibility and driver ergonomics (I'm 187.5cm tall) were all inferior to the Porsche.
So I bought a well priced '87 Turbo with 250 Bhp engine upgrade. The 944 Coupe folding rear seat/hatch area, tilt/removable sunroof, properly functioning climate control air-con, galvanised body as well as build/quality robustness make the car everyday use appealing and in Turbo form, still has genuine power & torque that impress in 2021 through the seat of the pants. This is my 2nd (I had an '86 220 Bhp 952 before moving to the UK) and I still struggle to think of a more useable modern classic sportscar with rapid performance, reliability and serviceability (google "clarks-garage.com" for the ultimate online self servicing & repair website/forum).
But of course, I've had one before so I've hardly made an adventurous choice and there are only so many years to own all of your dream cars. So with that in mind, I'd be curious to know of the qualities I'm missing out on by not choosing Lotus most useable sportscar. How does the steering, handling, road-holding, driver feel and performance (less power but lighter package) compare?
I really want to drive an Excel again, and will give more expansive thoughts. You are right about the interior packaging though - quite compromised
Please make more videos of the celica ! It is a really magnificent thing. Also I think many of us would be interested in presenting older japanese cars , such as older celicas , rx7s etc
As an innocent passenger in a 90's police chase it was the 944T that got me into Porsche.
Sounds like a very interesting story
I think it was a Porsche 928 in Chase HQ ;-)
So are you going to tell the story?
We want to know the story come on ☺
Hahaha. The wiper motor noise description 🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍🏴
This week I have been mostly driving a Porsche 944 Turbo S.
There's good reason why so many 924 and 944 Porsche were raced over the years . Good drivers cars .
I bought myself a 944 turbo with the later spoiler design, black with cream leather interior as a 25 year old birthday present to myself (25 years ago).
Fabulous car at the time and I really enjoyed it.
Really nice vid. Like many I play quite a lot of these raffles over the last year, like you say kinda just do them in the hope of winning like with a scratch card
Do find it a bit disappointing it wasn’t serviced or even thoroughly checked over it in honest, whilst we aren’t paying the full price for the vehicle if we win for the raffle ticket, overall we’re all collectively paying well over market for the raffle cars and so there is certainly money in the pot for the companies to make them truly good reliable examples
I agree - you'd like to think that the car would be as good as if you were paying the full price - because that's what they are getting
@@JayEmmOnCars I suspect it was self-serviced given that all that money was spent on the sills. You probably have the address of the previous owner from the documentation you have. Is it worth a letter?
Seems like a genuinely good car. As to the benefits of regular servicing, I once had an Opel Berlinetta Coupé 'serviced' at a main Vauxhall dealer, from whence it would continually refuse to restart when stopped at traffic lights and the like, after driving for a while, until it had completely cooled down; it took me quite a while to find out that the Vauxhall twonks had replaced an oil filter with an incorrect sized one.
wow what are the chances of that ? amazing ! 😂
One of these were my dream car for a long time as a kid. Of course now that I possibly could afford one, many years later, they dont suit my needs anymore. Such is life.
You get a "like" for the Fast Show reference. Which was nice......
Was that a 'Fast Show' reference? 'Which was nice'. Haha, regards from a rather chilly Otford, Kent.
the 944 turbo are increasing in value - a modern collectible classic. In Australia they are approx. $90k
a lot of money and a lot of car.
Andrew MC yes some low mileage cars have been advertised in Australia for that money but you'll find they are selling in the $40 - 50k AUD zone - my immaculate Alpine white '86 220Bhp car, owned since 2009 and sold by Shannon's in my absence (living in the UK since 2016) in Feb 2021, settled at $42.5k. A bargain given how good I know the car to be, but in all honestly, probably fair.
Not sure I’d win a £17k 944T for £100 and then complain that it wasn’t serviced prior to handover 🤔
You need an E34 M5 in your life, the last handbuild M car, luxuries, sporty, classic, and simple while looking timeless and still feeling as steady as a much newer car.
Any particular reference to the custard creams at the end?
Congrats on winning anyway, all the best with this car!
Ha no not at all - it just happened to have been there when I was doing my drive-by shots
@@JayEmmOnCars Shame on whoever didn't finish the packet!
Lovely car 10:55 that bonnet gap would bug me
If the trip odometer get’s reset while driving in a 944 the gear behind it almost certainly breaks. Happened to many of them.
I had an S2. That's what happened to me. Was shown how to reset the trip meter but wasn't told that I had to be stationary. Stupid design that it breaks so easily. The gear is cheap. The only cost is in the labour.
Unfortunately I broke mine. No one stated the obvious reset while stationary.
Great to see that the 944 is back on the road!
Good effort, keep some rain repellant in the boot in case the wiper packs up.
The 944 content is great! You must love it!
Thanks, glad you're enjoying it! The car is great
A good reliable older classic sports car is golden in this day and age.
@@JayEmmOnCars last year we bought our 17 year old son a 2003 Jaguar S-Type 3.0
He loves the car. Granted, its not an R, but it still turns heads. He's a senior in high school now.
Nice to hear of your win. These raffles do work- I won on Ricky’s LLF channel
I bought some tickets for his Clio but missed out sadly!
@@JayEmmOnCars come and test drive it if you like
@@Lukec4ge Was that what you won? If so would love a go, drove a Phase 2 so keen to see how the Ph1 compares
@@JayEmmOnCars I sent you a dm on insta
Gambling laws in UK prevent anyone raffling anything unless you are non-profit, registered charity and there are rules in terms of a public space and a set time to publically announce the winner. Becuase one person has done it everyone sees it as a quick way to get rich quick and seems to have forgotten to check the legality of any of it, or conveniently forgotten to look.
Run, oil is hydroscopic. Even if a car does 50 miles in 10 years, its immediately shagged. I'd get a bore scope in there asap
Excellent Fast Show reference at the beginning.
Probably only a few of us will get it I suspect
Makes me wonder why the seller didn't spend the same amount of money and raffle it off in a good condition (ie not need the AA, service and an illegal exhaust).
TGE and associates have lost my trust unfortunately.
Given how much they spent and the sentimental value of it I am surprised they sold it at all. I was told space was the reason they let it go, plus I suppose eventually we do have to part with some of these things
Man I've always wanted one of those. They're getting a bit pricey now though, especially the Turbos. I'd love to get my hands on a non-Turbo and stuff as LS into it. I know it's cliche to put an LS into anything now but it really does suit the 944. It's a great platform with a dinky engine. It deserves a 300-350 hp V8. On a similar note, got my hands on a 1993 Miata in great shape, save the drivetrain has 197k on it. Still runs strong, well as strong as the 1.6 is, but I've got the AJ30 swap kit on the way. The NA is another great chassis in search of a great engine. The 3.0 Jag V6 is just about perfect for that car.
Also, I've always wondered how on a relatively small island y'all manage to have so much countryside.
Lucky you! I´d gladly have an old Turbo S, they still look good!
Love the shirts Jay. Lucky fella, I don't get that lucky. 944 is a great little car and it's worthy of some funds being spent on it.
This and the 928 continue to be my favorites
What are the odds of a car youtuber winning a car from a car youtuber, both in UK? Mad
The same as anybody else who bought the same number of tickets? Mad
@@JayEmmOnCars I'm not criticising James, I just thought it was mad, it's a small world.
Won the raffle sure! Paid promotion anyone? lol
You think it was a setup? Really? That I would risk prison for a 944?
No coincidences for the raffle, wink wink,nudge nudge
Do you get a wind whistle off the driver side flag mirror? I own one of these and it drives me crazy. It comes from the where the mirror base splits for adjustment.
I share the sentiment I'm seeing in the comments a lot - Whilst I don't think for a moment that Jay was at all in on it, I think the giveaway company probably selected him in an attempt to maximize exposure. I don't think the condition of the car indicates otherwise, it's in pretty good condition for a car of its age and if they were comfortable giving it away to the public they'd likely be happy giving it to a youtuber. Not a great reflection on the company either way. No reflection on Jay of course.
If you believe this for even one second I highly recommend you report this to the police. What you're talking about is fraud. Very serious, and with severe consequences.
@@JayEmmOnCars In the absence of evidence I don't believe anything, I find it an interesting, possible and maybe probable scenario, as many others seem to, but since I don't really have a dog in the fight so to speak and since there is no real victim it seems pointless to report it to anyone or do anything other than pass comment on it. (Not to mention the ridiculous faff of having to jump through many hoops with action fraud before the police will even investigate a fraud case). If I'd bought tickets I might be otherwise inclined and motivated to ask some questions about the transparency of the selection process.
It is of course completely possible that it was pure chance, I'm not a statistician and I wouldn't like to speculate. All I'm saying is that for the company involved it's highly convenient, too good to be true you might say - and things that look too good to be true, usually are.
Of course this is all speculation and I've probably grown too cynical in my old age. Maybe it's all above board and the company just had an immense stroke of luck. Either way, you've ended up with a great fun car so don't let my - or anyone's speculative comments prevent you from enjoying it, it's just the bottom bit of TH-cam after all :)
@@mrc7966 methinks you are only one step away from the raffle company launching a defamation case against. Suggest you quit while you are ahead. Your comments are unwarranted.
@@allomony4010 He sounds like a legal consultant from Trump's Defense Team.
@@allomony4010 I don't think you fully comprehend how defamation suits work. Suffice to say I remain unconcerned.
The NA 944 S2 was seen as the better version to have back in the day, but no doubt the turbo with big badge has some presence. I prefer the updated 'bridge spoiler' on the later models (post 90 I think) rather than the pretty awful rubber thing, and if I were you I'd change that if you're keeping it.
Agree 100% about the bridge spoiler, makes them look far more modern
Maybe the s2 was seen as better, but any speed nutters would have wanted the turbo. I know I certainly did, but then again I was hardly in the target market.
@@GoldenCroc I can't disagree with that Croc, probably good arguments to suit both tbh, turbo shove or smooth low down torque of the 3l in the S2. Only 10bhp in it between the standard turbo and the S2, so it would have to be the full fat 250 S model with better boost for me if I was going for a turbo.
@@stuartm1275 Yes, but as far as a remember, all turbos were 250hp when the s2 were sold, the 220hp version had stopped production.
At least, that was the case in the market were I am located, I think. Maybe in some markets it retained 220hp for whatever reason, but not in continental europe, making the difference 40hp or about 20%.
Even in those days the turbo was popular to tune to about 300-320 hp, making it very fast for its time. S2 is nice, but for the "morons" like me would rather have the turbo for those reasons. Cheers.
Perhaps it may be worth you buying some lotto tickets this weekend , by chance you might win that too🙄
I alwways had a hanerking for one of them. Nice one Jay.
As for those questioning the raffle... a few years back a friend of mine organised a raffle for charity and him being a mate I bought three ticket(real wild spender I am 😆). Anyway, there were a couple of thousand tickets sold and on the day the prizes started to be drawn. Early one of my numbers came up and I collected my small prize, to good natured hoots from the assembled people of "fix!*. 😆 Other prizes were duly won and handed out. Then came the grand prize. The lass fumbling about in the tombola picked out a number. Mine. 😲 Now since I felt a bit guilty, I suggested no, we should put that ticket aside and roll again. She picked out another number from the pile. Mine _again_ 😲😲 Yeah. Over the speakers you could hear my friend say "oh for f*** sake" 😂 So it can happen. And yes I let it roll again.
Saw this car on harrys garage ! From the Silverstone auction video. Congrats
Thanks!
Cracking car, it’ll be a great buy for someone when you decide to part with it 🇬🇧👍
Every free Porsche is a good Porsche
204K miles! I don’t remember that Being said in the competition notes
Watched recent video of Hagerty, hosted by Jason Cammisa, on history of Porsche 924/944. Informative and fun. Some of Cammisa's video are very good, almost Top Gear level of old. 944 has aged pretty well.
I watched that video too. Loving that series he is doing.
4,000 tickets at a tenner a pop for an unserviced £17k semi-dog. Good work if you can get it.
It doesn’t make sense when people tot up the total and complain about it. As if you’d won it, you would have only paid £10, which is a good deal.
It is actually worth less, depending on the market.
But if you're running the raffle you do have to also run a business and earn a living
smwatson1512 said 'Good work if you can get it.'
Well get it then!
I'm a bit surprised at the auction price (I have an SE - don't think it's 'worth' anything close to that) but speculating to accumulate is what business is about. Get a loan, put some hours in and you're off.
I was tempted to auction a Capri last christmas, but needed the cash in a hurry (strangely enough to get my SE repaired) so didn't have time to set up a raffle. Now regretting the decision.
LOL - that windscreen wiper motor. Its either totally fecked or possessed.
My money is on possessed.
Lots of maintununce content ahead of you. A Ford Ranger 2.3 would look nice in there, and those will take a snail fart with a cam, and the b.a.t. with a pic of the (old) engine on a pallet would be interesting, cuz it is like a MySpace selling app, gobz of comments and photos.
The words appear to be English, but in some sort of code.
loving my S2 - perfect for Norfolk and Suffolk B roads. Good to see you in a 944, even if it was by chance... or maybe destiny after you saw mine
I've had lusty eyes for a 944 for quite some time!
I think you should do it up, enjoy it, and then raffle it on your channel.
We could live in hope😊
If it goes I will be selling it the old fashioned way.
So your mate set up a new auction and first one, you won, and now getting advertising for it.
I'll save JM the chore of calling you a twat.
@@pd4165 Well I paid money to win the Lamborghini about 1 year ago in the Raffle he recommended and it turned out to be a scam. I reported them, and unfortunately they set up the raffle with loopholes covering their asses. So now he wins the first one, ran by his mate in another Raffle. I was so happy to see the Lambo on his channel where it wasn't Raffled off and reviewed after someone bought it from them. Oh.. and the 3rd place said he has never paid out. No mention of 'all you guys who tried to win the car, bad luck, it wasn't raffled and you could have had chance of winning a lame other first prize', so sorry about that. But look at me, I can now drive the car that wasn't Raffled.
Looking for a 968 at the moment. Hard to find one in mint condition given it's relative rarity.
@2:34 Worth can only refer to the market value because anything else is subjective. :)
£17K is a shit-tonne!
Mine has half that mileage - last time I checked the classifieds I worked out mine would be 'worth' £8Kish according to their asking prices (half the mileage but some items to sort - the E10 issue looks a bit pricey). But for the price of a raffle ticket - bargain.
Sounds like a nice wee runner 👍
Weird weather day Jay? It’s called autumn.
Probably not up your alley, but a restoration series on this old lady would be interesting.
To be honest she just needs servicing, not a restoration. My Celica is getting more of that kind of treatment
@@JayEmmOnCars Can't really enjoy the thing if it is full concourse spec either I suppose. Thanks for the reply!
Back when the Turbo version of the 944 came out their performance was on par with the 911. I could never figure out why someone would want one over a Carrera. Now the value difference make it a bargain.
Why not? Cheaper, and faster for most people. Easier to drive. More practical, more comfortable and more modern. Easier to tune for more speed.
I would say thats quite a lot of objective reasons, dont know how you could have missed all of them? Nothing wrong with preferring a 911, but "cant think of a reason", seems a bit of a stretch... unless you were just joking?
@@GoldenCroc The 911 is a true Porsche, the 944 a lot Audi. I had a 79 930 and an 80 924.
@@daveblock4061 Ah, just as I thought then, a figure of speech/joke to show how much more you like the 911. Still, I felt I needed to write a few basic reasons in case somebody did genuinly wonder what the 944:s advantages were.
@@GoldenCroc Air cooled rear engine. The legacy, lineage, Championships etc IS Porsche. I have nothing against the 924/944, but they are a footnote.
@@daveblock4061 Thats all well and good, but I dont see the relevancy to what I wrote? (Presumably there is one, since you quoted me)
Of all the lucky breaks, you of all people win a sportscar. Lucky bugger!
I've heard some people say the 944 makes for a good project car because it's easy to work on, would like to hear your take on that.
nope never buy a crappy trash 944 condition bec it will be worthless bottomlesss money pit.. always buy the best sample is the only way. if u buy project u wil never get the same money as the good condition one ever.. bec it is not original and worthless.
As the owner of a pair of 16v I would say once you get past the punch list of things you must do they are pretty good. But the punch list is extensive. Clutch, master and slave, motor mounts, belts, tensioner, front struts, upper cam cover seal, balance shaft housing cover seal. To this you might also add in power steering elements- the three hoses, reservoir, pump and rack. The windshield washer system. Exhaust system. And air con. The parts alone for the above are over $4k and they will be necessary, unless done in the last year. Most have not had that.
So what do you buy then? Good paint and interior and seals and gaskets. Those are really painful to buy or restore. If the seats and dash and door cards and carpets are good it’s good car to start with. But expect to add $5-8k to the purchase price to a 944, less if you can do the work yourself.
Fred’s spot on JM. Once the basics are renewed they are such a fantastic and reliable, drivers car
Hubnut called the windscreen wipers Darth Vader. I've just checked out his road test of the 944.
Wow, Hubnut in a Porsche? I thought he was Lada / Marina / Vauxhall Cavalier territory. (not subscribed)
Great video!
Surely the lack of basic servicing receipts means the owner did it himself?
No. After the owner passed away in 2008 the car covered relatively few miles. I think whenever anything broke, it got fixed - but regular servicing didn't seem to be done after 2011. It was stored for a time I think
That's what I do on my bought new 89 944 Turbo S with an ex AA mechanic doing bigger jobs (replaced fuel and brake lines). Now replaced with an Audi S3 Sportback and just need to sort out some minor issues and sell it.
Was the contest anonymous?
How do you mean?
@@JayEmmOnCars Was your name written on the lottery ticket?
@@antoinepageau8336 so the way they do it is you get assigned a random number for each ticket you buy, then the Google random number generator is used to pick a winning number, then they see who the number is attached to
Sounds like the ten years of maintenance and servicing were done, just not documented, and the radiator fan switch failure was new.
I had this - surprisingly small amount of bother - if you're in town you leave the relay in, if on a run leave it out (unless you're on track the airflow through the rad is sufficient).
As classic car woes go this is relatively minor.
Ton stated it had a fully documented new engine fitted by Porsche and that everything worked on this car lol ... Jay
Do the heater and the cruise work? They're the usual suspects. I rebuilt the cruise module (the one in the engine bay) but it appears the computer (passenger footwell) needs rebuilding too...and I haven't had the patience to do it...in fifteen years of ownership :-O
Apparently cruising at 115 is the norm, and it doesn't hang about trying to get there.
And did you actually say £17k?
I have an SE and I love it...when it works properly. It has tried to kill me - had me sideways on the M6 - wet road (biblical) plus wrong tyre pressures - not excessive speed. Though it was excessive for those tyre pressures, obviously. The cruise tried to spin up a wheel when I went onto a white line, then the LSD remembered to work. Seeing juggernauts approaching in the passenger window really checks your brown alert button!
Headlight pop-ups seem to be reliable - check the massive bar connecting them (I thought it was an anti-roll bar at first).
"Paid real money for...." as if someone actually paid with counterfeit money ?!. Your shirt is fine, dude.
Paying with butcoins is trendy nowadays. 😉
Jammy ! The only thing I ever won in a raffle was a box of buttered brazil nuts.
Brazil nuts? You lucky duck, I’ve never won anything in a raffle! Lol…
Can i say your a petrol head like me and I say things like I may keep this car forever but that really means I’ll keep it until something comes along bigger and better hey 😂 and keep up the good work
I saw it had sold for 17k , TGe was claiming on his channel it was worth 30-40k 😂
Seen many cars flipped for 30-50% for how much they're bought for
@@jonathantennantphotography2869
Are you saying this is worth 30 -40 k ?
I think this car would realistically retail at a dealer around 20-23k
Seriously consider S2 from a recent time. But not sure for turbo.
A/C likely sticky solenoid for blowing hot and cold.
My letter box is narrower than thatq panel gap on that nearside front wing.
Congrats on winning the car. Why are there no shoulders on British roads?
You lucky bawsterd, congratulations!
Fab stuff, enjoy.
Nice 944. Lots of videos already, but where’s the quattroporte updates! Italian cars don’t like being neglected you know, best do an update quick before it GTS upset and spits its dummy out :)
It has been away for about two months having some work done (nothing major, just taken a while as parts got stuck in customs) and will be collecting it Thursday. Update to be filmed soon after
Good news. Bring the noise!
Back in the day I remember being extremely surprised that Porsche decided to give the dull-as-ditch-water, van-engined 924 a completely new lease of life with the brawny, counterbalanced slant-4 (half a 928 engine?). I never had the slightest interest in the 924 (and still don't), but the 944 - much more like it.
I would have been surprised if they didnt, the things changed from the 924 cost way less than to start from scratch, they would be mad not to try it when it could be done for such a relatively low cost. Frankly I am surprised at your surprise.
I asked you for comparision between Turbo S and S2, you said you prefer S2, is it still true? I'm probably buying Turbo S(LSD, fully adjustable suspension, chipped, sport seats) tomorrow, but have option of a mint S2.
Yes my personal preference would be for the S2 although the Turbo S is the more special car
Thanks. What tires so you have on your Turbo S? Cause it's really hard to find matching tires for both axles in this size if you don't like Pirelli.
Having owned a Turbo SE for 15 years - I shudda got a 3L.
It's a brillant GT car, apart from the sports seats (too sporty for long rides) - a N/A engine would suit better for back roads. The turbo lag is 80's - manageable but not as entertaining as an instantly responding engine.
How often do you GT a classic compared to weekend blasts down B roads?
As for the LSD - they wear out. After about 80k they're more liability than use. Coming at a time when you're thinking of an engine rebuild...which do you skimp on?
@@pd4165 That is a food for thought :( Now I'm torn apart.
I got other question, does the same apply to 964 Turbo and 993 Turbo?
Oh and you can always ship it over the pond to me. Since you got it for a hundred quid, I figure you’re ahead if I give you a couple of thousand+shipping…
I won a 2021 bmw M235i from H&R and now have to pay about 17k in taxes to the govt, fun