Follow up to Mastering Foreshadowing || DELTARUNE [Theory/Analysis]
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- An update to previous video:
Mastering Foreshadowing || DELTARUNE and UNDERTALE [Theory/Analysis]
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Where I talk about some thing pointed out, some thing I wanted to talk about more of my full baptism into a delder run Theorist with a crackpot fugue state theory, and more!
Just some thoughts I wanted to say before I work on my Ralsei Analysis- one that I am currently titling "Let the man do his job"
Timecodes
0:00 - Into and behind the scenes
2:17 - The real reason I am making this video
3:09 - something about birds?
4:34 - Shout out to the seven Catti Fans
8:18 - 7/25/97
10:17 - :)
11:53 - I am once again talking about the Duck
14:16 - Further Thoughts
17:00 - Three Heroes Appear to Banish The Angels Heaven - เกม
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Every time I hear people bring up Ice-E, I remember that scene from Ratatouille:
"Look at him over there... pretending to be an idiot! He's toying with my mind, like a dog with a squeaky uh..."
"Toy?"
"Yes! Playing dumb! Taunting me with that ice cube!"
"Ice cube?"
"Yes! He's consorting with it! Deliberately trying to make me think it's important!"
"The ice cube."
"Exactly."
"Is the ice cube... 'important'?"
"Of course not! He just wants me to *think* that it is! Oh, I see the theatricality of it; an ice cube appears in Undertale, now in Deltarune, and now he wants me to see it everywhere-- wooooooooo-- it's here, no it isn't, it's HERE! Am I seeing things, am I crazy, is there a phantom ice cube or is there not? But ohhhh no! I refuse to be sucked into his little game of... of--"
"Should I be concerned about this? About you?"
I am cackling oh my god I wish someone would animate this
God i love this comment
Funny. That's exactly how I feel about every single Gaster theory.
@@unrellated To be fair, there IS some actual reasonable suspicion towards the involvement of Gaster in Deltarune. Sure, we don't know if the character that is connected between Undertale and Deltarune is actually NAMED Gaster with absolute certainty, and we don't actually know with 100% certainty that the "Mystery Man" sprite is supposed to depict said Gaster, but the correlations between the ideas of Gaster, Wingdings, the number 6, the Deltarune secret bosses and Goner maker at the start, etc. is all far more plausible information to talk about than Ice-E has.
Imo, I think Ice-E serves as an in-universe parallel for what Gaster is to us, the player. He's a seemingly normal thing to outsiders who has a ridiculous amount of cryptid-style lore surrounding it, to the point that it has become a pop-culture icon with literal conspiracy theories centered on it. Even the Spamton Sweepstakes joked about that being exactly the case.
I imagined this to the scene in skinner’s voice and it’s perfect
Isn't it funny how Ice-E is one of only 3 characters (4 if you count Gaster) that can be seen in the Light World, Dark World *and* Undertale? The other only ones are the Annoying Dog and the Everyman.
Haha, what a funny coincidence that this weird ice cube is in a very specific category with 2 of the other most mysterious characters in the series and the personification of its creator! It sure does not mean Ice-E is of extra importance to the overarching series
where does everyman appear in the light world?
@@ewoly5 As graffiti in the alley
Right next to ICE-E. He's my favorite
On other guns waiting to fire...
I feel like a lot of people don't look at the actual mechanics of the game a lot. I noticed something interesting and it's like...
I think that once the element system is introduced, Snowgrave Noelle will find herself absolutely walled at one point.
I see a number of people wondering if the Weird Route is the way to break the inevitability of our ending, but I feel like that would be a strange choice if you do that and the outcome is good. If we look at the Weird Route narratively, you are not making these characters better or more capable - you are killing your friends and destroying their lives. Queen, who praises Noelle for being strong, says she is unfit for her goals after a Weird Route. Spamton warns you that you will be all alone. But how can all that power end with you in a worse position overall?
The element system.
See, Deltarune has Elemental Pairs - Sky/Thunder, Death/Scythe, etc. Two elements tied to one another, so resistance or vulnerability to one will also give you the same to the other. Thus, the Frayed Bowtie grants reduced damage versus Puppet enemies because of it's association with Spamton - but it ALSO grants resistance to Tasque Manager's attacks, because Puppet is tied to cat.
Currently, only one is actually implemented in the game, and it's existence is a secret as the system as not been introduced: Puppet/Cat, otherwise known as Element 6. Kris can use the Mannequin to gain 40% resistance to this, which effects the Tasques, Tasque Manager, and Spamton. As mentioned, you can also use the Frayed Bowtie from Spamton to do the same. This can make his fight a lot easier.
We will probably be introduced to this formally in the future.
But how does this interact with snowgrave?
Hidden in the game is an unused equip called the Mouse Token - which grants a resistance to an "Element 7." This is presumably Mouse/Something, given the name.
This is very relevant because Noelle gains an ability I never see anyone speak about in a Normal Route which she doesn't get in a Snowgrave - Immunity to Mice.
What does it mean to be immune to mice, when Mouse is an actual element? What does it mean to be Immune to Mice, when "Mouse" is also tied to some other element?
The number 7 is occasionally tied to holy elements, luck, and heavens. It could also be tied to sin. It is tied to the number of chapters Deltarune has. Or the number itself could mean nothing. But the number 7 is worth noting, in and of itself.
Whatever the case, suppose a situation: Noelle faces a boss immune to cold, who uses Mouse Attacks. Say, a Nutcracker Rat King. Snowgrave Noelle would be walled entirely, and fail - you have taught her not to think, just use her best attack until the enemy is dead. You have not taught her about the game's mechanics - remember, to do a Snowgrave you have to kill the first tutorial enemy and she doesn't learn about Acts or Mercy. You have had her rely on a single element exclusively.
You even see her come up against this problem in-game when she's playing Dragon Blazers with Rudy - in a Weird Route, she will suggest using Iceshock on the Ice Boss without considering elemental resistance at all. If Rudy wasn't there, she would have made a very poor choice.
And well, next time she's in a dark world? I kinda doubt Rudy will be there at all.
Is this foreshadowing?
And what about more involved aspects of the element system. In a normal route, Noelle finds that the Ice Drake reflects Fire damage. Can our elements be reflected back at us in this game, like in Dragon Blazers?
And if so, what happens if a fatal attack is reflected back at you?
One more thing - It's possible to abort the Snowgrave at the last possible moment and end up with a Noelle with the highest possible stats, but neither Snowgrave nor Mouse Immunity. Which is perhaps an even more interesting edge case.
Anyways. That's my theory/observation/thing.
holy crap i never considered that the using ice on an ice boss could be foreshadowing! thats so interesting !!!! im very glad you pointed that out
@@melodyMonger413
Eyy! I'm glad someone is entertained by my deltarune brainworms, haha
Great shout! Very good idea to chew over
Maybe our choices with the vessel creation also has to do with this? Like favorite color and flavor?
wait, a boss that is immune to cold, and uses mouse attacks... ICE-E!
the cold part is obvious, but hear me out, ice-e "works" in a pizza restaurant.
To paraphrase the Nostalgia Critic, the entire game is made of Chekhov's Guns, and the safety's off on half of them.
Imagine, if you will:
"It's just a piece of a song, merely a fragment..."
*one note of Megalovania plays*
I mean, we do have Sans's "eh" in Ch2
I am so glad we finally got a deltarune theorist that considers Ice-E the main villain instead of Gaster. Anyways this was another great theory/analysis looking forward to the next one.
Ice e secret boss for chapter 5 let's gooo
What are you talking about? I don’t remember him talking about Ice-E at all
Halfbreadchaos has a video on ice-E too
Halfbreadchaos:
yeah i don't really see gaster as the villain type from what we know so far, he's kinda just a very lax GM (gaster master.)
There's an extremely rare piece of dialogue you can get if you have Noelle act on a Tasque. In normal gameplay, you have to do this by starting up a Weird Route and then aborting it by using Noelle to spare this tasque.
Noelle likens petting the Tasque to petting Catti, which is interesting. Either Catti is someone you can just go over and pet, or those two are very close. Given that Noelle is attracted to scary things, is incredibly gay, and Catti is oddly protective of her, I think it's possible that she dislikes Susie because Catti and Noelle were in a relationship at some point in the past.
(I doubt they are now, since like, she seems pretty into Jockington. But yeah)
It's not even necessarily jealousy or relationship drama, it could be like "Hey I know you have a type, but this girl seems legitimately dangerous. She's going around threatening to eat people's faces."
now thats something for sure
I was completely unaware!!!
something that kinda interests me is that susie's description in the prophecy is easily the most vague, just a monster. there arent any other humans in hometown and "a prince from the dark" is extremely specific. so any other hometown monster could technically fulfill that role in the prophecy instead of susie
Technically speaking, I'm pretty sure Noelle classifies as a monster.
And so does Ice-E.
Lancer also qualifies as a prince of the dark.
I'd love it if Lancer was the prince from prophecy. I've heard on the internet that he is never called a prince, just son of the king.
@@royaloreo1275 That's strange because, you know... Lancer have more prince-ey regalia, in fact - he has a father who is a king, he had a land to rule (for a certain time in Ch. 1), also servants, and the other staff... He IS the Prince from the dark. But, the thing is, is the Lancer THAT Prince from the dark, who described in a prophecy?
I think we'd know better when 3-5 chapters will come out.
P.S. - rlly sorry for my bad English, I'm not a native speaker.
There is also the "purple guy" ice-e guy. They initially appears to be one of the Ice-e employees in ch1, but Pizzapants notes he is not even sure they work there, and shows up in city hall of all places, now wearing a suit, also confusing the people there. They are out-of-place not only from our perspective, but from an in-universe perspective as well.
Unrelated to the above, but, there is the fact that the warp doors are weird as well. For the obvious one is the fact they resemble Sans's door, right down to the flames on the bottom. Second, they are one of the constant so far in both Dark Worlds. Lastly, and less known about, is that Jigsaw Joe and Mr. Elegance comment that, despite having working on making them functional, note that they don't really understand how they work exactly and how they are puzzled (no pun intended) over what they are. Mind you, it's implied that a lot of the video game/rpg aspects of the dark worlds are indeed diegetic (ie Noelle being confused about going into battle, having it explained to her, and comments how it's similar to the in-universe game Dragon Blazers). So for the simple fast travel system to be lampshaded as inherently weird in a world where a bunch of other game mechanics are seen as natural seems to suggest something more is going on with them.
its beeen so looong
Markiplier when an Ice-E's P"e"zza employee turns out to secretly be evil:
I always come back
At the end of Chapter 2, Ralsei explains that if too many dark fountains are opened then the Roaring would happen and Titans would take form from the fountains. Which is a pretty obvious Chekhov's, but I'm gonna ask: Do we have a candidate for a character that might be a titan?
Titans are not lightners nor darkners, which already rules out most of the game's characters. Some candidate could be Gaster, the player(s)... and our good ol' friend Ice-E, who, so far, has been seen to be none of these things.
There are some BIZZARE things to Ice-E that weren't pointed in the video. Ice-E is one of the few characters that exist in the Dark World, the Light World and Undertale. And, for some god forsaken reason, Ice-E was given a Tarot Card in the fangamer tarot cards and as Arcana 0, the Fool.
You'd think the character that, at the time, was only present in a word search would be The Hermit or some tarot related to knowledge but no, he's in literally the most important tarot card, the one related to new beginings, journey, lack of caution/wisdom and etc.
So not only is it subtly everywhere in these games like Gaster and in a priviliged position in the tarot deck but he's ALSO depicted in exceedingly demonic fashions - a winking pizza box, Kris claiming he eats kids, the criptid claims, the FUN event that makes "Nightmare" appear next to it.
And remember - it's claimed that "The TITANS will take form from the FOUNTAINS". Which means the Titans will look like the place that the fountain was in, meaning if one of the fountains is in the pizza place then a giant Ice-E titan is a VERY real possibility.
There is a really weird connection between Ice-E, demonic sightings and etc. I would not be surprised if in the later chapters when the Roaring happens that a Ice-E titan appears and we'd have to fight it.
I don't think the Titans are already existing characters, since their roles are very different to most of those we know. Usually we attribute characters to some other unknown characters causing something because there is a limited cast and characters can't always spawn out of nowhere and may not have the things that would justify their capacity in causing something but due to the Titans' more divine position and them needing to form, they probably are unique.
Although it still is possible those Titans have connections or relations with some other characters as you noted, that Titan in the middle did look kinda like Seam didn't it?
I dunno if you noticed, but it seems interesting that you can choose your goner favorite food to be "cold"... At first it just seems like a silly joke but now, I wonder what would happen in a Snowgrave route...
I keep trying to tell everyone that the goner vessel is gonna end up being the knight. I refuse to believe otherwise
I don’t know wether that would align very well or very terribly with my “the player is the angel” theory but either way both possibilities fill me with indescribable dread! I love it
Would be extremely funny if the Thrash Machine came to our assistance against the Vessel
WHO WOULD WIN
a blade knight forged out of darkness by an otherwordly entity whose favourite food is pain, and actively warns us about the possibility of pain and seizure after being made.
or
a duck
@@str4nger-d4nger Simple. A duck.
i really believe that the interaction with the Popups are gonna be really important for the way these characters are gonna develop.
Here's another thing that I think not enough people are talking about.
Papyrus.
Like, what is his deal? Why haven't we seen him yet? Out of all the major characters from Undertale he's the only one that has yet to appear. (There's also Mettaton, but we hear from him, and he has an explanation), which I find weird because if the bone brothers are new to the town, why would the friendliest and most outgoing skeleton we know just lock himself in the house instead of meeting new people?
And it's not like he's completely unimportant and forgotten. There is a specific emphasis on the fact that he isn't here.
Toby wrote on the Deltarune Steam page that Papyrus is busy, Sans mentions him at least twice, we can ask about him, Sans says that we will probably meet him in the future, and we can hear a faint bonetrousle when we knock on the door of their house.
Also, why Papyrus specifically? If anything, you would think that Toby wouldn't show Sans right away. You know, the guy who has far more connections to Deltarune, science, Gaster and the whole meta of both games.
Heck, if he didn't show anyone else and said they were busy, that wouldn't probably be as strange.
Just something to consider.
Noelle is written as a character (and person) who is very interested in finding secrets and she does that by breaking the games she plays, only for us (the player) to use Kris as a puppet by controlling her as an NPC to break the game that they are a part of.
Interesting.
Also, you know what else I noticed recently? Forgetting. The main theme is "don't forget" but a lot of characters are actually forgetting.
Onion cannot remember no matter how hard he tries: I've heard that song before...coming from the sea. The whole thing. (...) But... I can't remember...I can't...Can't remember.
the writer of the mysterious Valentine's letter, who is likely the Man behind the tree, cannot remember who he was supposed to help: Yes, there was someone I wanted to help. I seem to have forgotten who... Yes, it's quite ironic, but I seem to have forgotten. Was it myself? No... well, perhaps.
Noelle cannot remember the name of her egg pet: The egg actually had a name but I don't remember what it was. It's been driving me crazy ever since.
Kris also appears to remember something randomly and then express it through sound (piano): We'd play, and we'd play... then after a while, they would suddenly get very still, like they were remembering something.
What does any of this even entail!!!
i think maybe it is connected to gaster when he shattered himself through time and space with his machine, it could also be nobody even remembers him because he basically doesnt even exist bits of him are just floating around in these universe kind of like how in undertale aswell with that monster kid shaped gaster follower where he talks about wondering about a world where u disappear and everything stays the same and nobody remembers you, especially with the indications that the song heard in the sea is related to gaster and with the bunker obviously relating to him aswell it might not b that far to theorize how gaster used to be living in deltarune or atleast had a big impact to some degree if nobody remembering anything does tie back to him
Something I'd like to point out is the secret boss items. In chapter 1 Susie gets a weapon that almost immediately in Chapter 2 is obsolete however increases her magical potential and in Chapter 2 Ralsei gets a weapon that increases his attack. I feel like this is going to be an ongoing trend.
Catti's backstory with Kris is also very interesting in that as far as we've seen... there is no magic in the Light World. Like, at all. None from the monsters, nor even any indication that they know about magic.
Yet somehow, Kris has a floating red heart stuck inside them, there are worlds of darkness hidden in abandoned classrooms, and Noelle angrily tells us she'll show us "what happens when I cast a spell I don't know" immediately after shiftily and unconvincingly claiming she doesn't know what "snowgrave" is.
We know that Noelle and Kris used to be pretty close. We know that Catti and Kris studied "the occult" together. We know that Noelle's previous experience with magic involved, at a minimum, a spell called "snowgrave" which she "didn't know" at the time and which went badly.
I'm sure we'll learn more about the order these events happened in later. But... I've got at least a working theory, at the moment.
Noelle, Kris, and possibly Catti were "studying the occult" together, or perhaps just Kris and Catti with the former passing along information to Noelle. Noelle somehow and for some reason cast a spell, "snowgrave", despite not knowing what it actually did. This may well have been what led to Dess being "lost", and the whole experience was so traumatic for Noelle that she completely repressed the memory. Either way, the loss of Dess started a major downwards spiral for several characters, especially the Dreemurs and Holidays. Kris, for some reason, delved back into the occult long after their studies with Catti had ended and managed to cast another spell - which summoned the red heart that we control.
There's a lot of information we don't have, of course. But some of those dark spots can be informative - for instance, Kris clearly knows how to interact with the red heart and force it to do certain things (pulling it out of their chest, restraining it, hiding conversations from it, etc.). But we don't actually see them obtain this information. It's likely that they obtained it before the game even started, which raises the question: what else do they know that we don't know they know?
Chuck'E Freezes? ISSAC ENTERTAINMENT??? you just don't miss, do you?!?
That's Mister Iccec Entertainment to you.
A quick note: the origin for the gonermaker background image was found!
It’s a picture of the ocean. I. Come on man. You’re kidding me.
This isn’t a gun, this is a *firing squad.*
anyways, this is ??? already such a good channel and you have two whole videos. mostly commented this for the algorithm,, since. only 1.5k is criminal despite how little time it’s been
time to go ponder the ocean eternally
the most important question: is forging a new path even the right thing to do?
That depends, do you want to see more of the game? At what cost?
The way the Weird Route seems to prey upon players' NEED for choice, especially after Undertale, is so fascinating to me. We're given a world that tells us our choices don't matter and what do we do? We break it until we do, regardless of consequences. (Very much in line with Undertale's questions about if you need to see everything to be fulfilled and how far you're willing to go to do so, culminating in the end of the Geno route.)
Stuff like this always makes me think of the "probably gaster" tweet which says
"I LOOK FOWARD
TO CREATING
A NEW FUTURE
WITH YOU."
14:23 To add fuel to the flame, the game actually saves your choices in the goner maker to your save file
is more like to add gunponder to the gun
I am so glad you reused the artillery cannon joke from your reply to me. It deserved a bigger audience.
Wait. Artillery cannon. Artillery CANON. big brain
13:15 🫵😮!!! That’s me!!
Ayo
i hate ice-e but IT KEEPS HAPPENEING
*Me walking down the stairs, but the Steps are Ice-E's*
What if Ice-E was actually Mari all along
6:28 CATTI IS BEING CATTY IN A LOVE TRIANGLE!
JK they don’t know how Susie Redeemed herself.
One thing that I probably put too much stock in becoming important is Purple Guy. Yeah, in Chapter 1 Pizzapants mentions "Purple Guy" when talking about his coworkers, and questions whether he actually works at Ice-E's. Obviously this is just a fun little reference to Five Nights At Freddy's, but this character is actually an NPC you can interact with in both chapter 1 and chapter 2. In both chapters, there is a person in an Ice-E mascot costume that just says something inane in all caps. In Chapter 1, they're outside of Ice-E's along with the other workers like you'd expect, and in Chapter 2 they're in the Town Hall.
Should I believe that this character will be important? Probably not. But I can't help but note that anyone could be in that costume, and wonder if it could be someone important to the story...
wait omg my brain. susie learned healing magic from ralsei in chapter 2, right? but toby also said he was going to have a chapter 1 character know fire magic. well, toriel is definitely going to be in chapter 3, and toriel is a known wielder of fire magic. so what if ralsei is inspired by toriel to learn fire magic?
that implies toriel and ralsei will interact a lot in ch3... which I don't doubt. I just don't think Ralsei would want to show her his ch2 form. Maybe that's how we'll unlock the appearence switch option for ralsei that everybody wanted. He puts his hat back on to disguise for Toriel, and, in turn, we get the option to put it on and off in later chapters. maybe.
ik I personally hope so. ive grown used to ch2 ralsei by now, but you gotta admit he looks like a teachers pet.
which maybe fits his character well. would we (player, not kris) be considered the teacher? If so, he does seem like he's trying incredibly hard to appease to us. Teacher's pet Ralsei canon.
Interestingly I have a bullet that I think everybody missed that the end of this video got me realizing. Why are there multiple save files? With the story Deltarune gives us you'd think that only one save file would truly be needed similar to Undertale, yet, there are multiple save files. This itself could mean multiple timelines, and, in a game with a character infamous for "breaking games," playing a major role. . .what if we need to play through *both* timelines to get the best ending and "banish the angel's heaven."
Thoughts: if jockington and catti are a pair, will they come to a dark world with us? Also burgerpants.... he *technically didnt have a overworld talk sprite in undertale.
Additionally, Icey. You telling me this DOESNT have anything to do with noelle? Personaly i think we are basically destined to have a crash collision conflict with her.
There is an insane amount of foreshadowing to allude to noelle becoming an enemy or opposing us. The only way to avoid it i think is through snowgrave/weird route.
In snowgrave, noelle becomes more subservant (less likely to rebel) and much stronger, able and willing to end conflict by force, and possibly more able to resist forces that could take control of her. Finally, she becomes stronger. Including her healing magic. If this is the case, maybe she can save Rudy. If anything would set noelle on a path to destruction, it would be loosing the only supportive adult in her life.
why is this giving me a bit of flashbacks to OMORI?
let's see. shy/timid and highly traumatized character with only one active support from an adult, that is on their likely deathbed. The only other adult in their lives is not really close to them in an emotional level. The character is highly prone to codependency and would resort to actual murder if the circumstances press them into a panicked state. Normally, they're extremely kind and genuine torwards everybody around them, but some traumatic incident from the past made them into the mess they are today. also, their childhood best friend is a silent protagonist who carries around a knife and plays an instrument, who consistantly visits another "world" made out of their surroundings and imagination.
...y'see where i'm going with this, right? what happened when Basil lost his grandmother? He fell down a rabbit hole of panic, and, in his most extreme, ended up severely harming his childhood best friend with the intent of "helping" them.
maybe i'm connecting lines that don't exist. probably. but man, can you blame me? both games are ingrained into my brain by now, and the coincidences are definitely there. let's just hope Dess' dissappearence was a bit of a light(n)er situation.
@@str4nger-d4nger haven't played omori, but Toby said that it had a lot in common with deltarune before it came out. I've drawn some parallels with mother 3 that may be insightful
someone pointed out you can have a max buffed noelle by aborting snowgrave at the last moment but be on the normal path. cant help but wonder if thats the actual key, and snowgrave noelle fights back against us for making her do that, while standard noelle cant save rudy, getting her possessed by ice -e or something.
@@benjaminmead9036 that would be a crazy fakeout, it would be a cool interaction
dude you're on FIRE WITH THSE THEORIES
i never saw the connection between the killing machine and the vessel
oh my i havent heard anyone else point out the parallels between the goner maker sequence and the thrash machine creation, thats definitely intentional and significant by toby
1:18 THANK YOU FOR THE ALTERNATIVE TO AUDACITY HOLY SHIT!
With the alternate bosses there is a checkovs gun theme. "Putting things together" or "rebuilding"
The key to jevils cell. The hard drive for the spamton neo. You literally have to "fix" something that has been intentionally broken with a convoluted path.
Now, what thing can you think of that has been broken and we could fix/fight.
The man who speaks in hands.
The convoluted path starts with a broken song. A song that is not new.
Gaster won't be the big bad, but more likely a second alternate boss in the final chapter.
When it comes to the old song from the sea, I highly recommend Vivat Veritas' video all about it. It's very very interesting!
(Also great vid!)
2 videos, 2 bangers!
Keep it up!
You got it Boss o7
CATTI MENTIONED!! great video and looking forward to the ralsei analysis!
new dantes integrity vid just dropped lets go
10:35 WHAT THE FUCK ULTRAKILL?????? WAR WITHOUT REASON FROM ULTRAKILL THE FUCK??? ULTRAKILL WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?????
Cinematography is the art of how a movie is put together, and how the message of said movie is brought forth. Using that is captures in video, how it is edited, and what music is played when it is shown to bring the desired outcome.
I used the song War Without Reason when talking about Ice-E's, this is a clever allusion to the fact that there is No Reason to talk about Ice-E.
Something that keeps bothering me is the whole "Angel's Heaven" thing, because we don't know what it is, at all.
Ralsei didn't give any explanation for it when he told us the legend. But the whole point of our journey is to save the world by "banishing" it, right? And that must relate to sealing the fountains? Who or what is the Angel?
No one's told us what the Angel's Heaven means. Nobody's even said if it's a bad thing.
Isn't it weird that the thing we're supposed to be motivated to prevent is something we're given no info about?
10:05 Yeah now i'm scared too
Catti calling Susie darker does not necessarily imply her going evil/bad guy. It could also refer to the fact that Susie is getting more and more invested in the dark worlds, and might (does) prefer existing there above existing in the real world. If pushed far enough, if the real world becomes worse or if someone lies/understates the consequences of the roaring, she might become on board with trying to get her darker friends to the real world. By any means necessary (this isn't a Susie is the knight theory But I so think she might open a fountain some day).
Susie is the one that told Noelle that the cyber world was just a dream, so Noelle isn't as deep in the darkness as Susie is (at this point at least). So I think it's more likely that Catti is referring to this, instead of Susie turning evil, even though this begs the question of How and In How Much Detail does Catti know about dark worlds.
Great analysis, but you do very much fight the thrash machine in chp2 with Roulx. You fight it AND pilot it in the same chapter. But frankly, the fact that it comes back TWICE points strongly to the goner being important and staying important
10:50 Yes ICEE I think being an incarnation of Olaff would be like a nightmare too lmao
10:34 war without reason jumpscare
that caught me off guard wow
nothing better to explain a gun with ultrakill
The thrasher machine is first made out to be a joke that you don’t think’ll have any importance later on but eventually it’s use blossoms into something semi important
to…
hatch, one might even say…
Would you like an egg?
About Ice-E, he is most DEFINITELY a gun waiting to fire. He could easily be just a running joke, but there's some things I'd like to point out. Two things, to be exact.
One, Ice-E is one of the four characters to appear in Undertale, the Light World AND the Dark World, the other three being Everyman, Gaster and The Annoying Dog. Ice-E is one of the only characters to appear in every realm of every game in this series, the others being a character that I don't think we even know anything about, a man that was SHATTERED ACROSS TIME AND SPACE ITSELF, and a character that is literally meant to be a personification of the creator. Keep that in mind.
And two, the thing I believe is FAR more important, lets talk about the Snowgrave Route for a second.
In Snowgrave, you force Noelle to freeze every enemy you come across, turning them to ice using Iceshock, until eventually, you get an ability called Snowgrave, which, when used, causes any enemy it's used on to be trapped in a block of ice. After Noelle uses this on Berdly, she leaves the party, and is not seen again until the very end of the chapter.
Why would I bring the Snowgrave route up? Well, lets go through that description again.
In Snowgrave, you force Noelle to *FREEZE* every enemy you come across, turning them to *ICE* using ICEshock, until eventually, you get an ability called Snowgrave, which, when used, causes any enemy it's used on to be trapped in *A BLOCK OF ICE*. After Noelle uses this on Berdly, she leaves the party, and is not seen again until the very end of the chapter.
Noelle uses Ice Magic.
Ice-E's name is *ICE-* E.
*ICE-E* is a *BLOCK OF ICE.*
In Snowgrave, the spell Snowgrave traps people in *BLOCKS OF ICE.*
I have a feeling Ice-E will be important in some way, at least to the Weird Route. I have not slept for 7 days and I think I'm going insane.
Yoo, i was waiting for it!❤❤
Im so glad I found your channel! I've binged em during my lunch break, I cant wait to see your next one!
I never would have thought that last video was your first. Good job 👍
I really like seeing a follow up to the last video, and will be waiting for the next one, great theories, editing, etc
Also, loved that one animation at the end!
This game is filled with more bullets than Clover's shotgun
Glad to see a follow up :D
In the last video, when you were saying something along the lines of 'i wont be getting into that topic now, the video is long enough already' - i was just like no! Please keep going! Tell us more >:3
I just discovered your channel with your "hidden convesations" both parts of "Mastering foreshadowing" videos and I love them all! really entertaining, good humor, perfect editing, topics and execution, keep it up man and I look forward to future uploads!
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I really like your sense of humor and silly unhinged Ice E section. Great editing and music choices. You have real potential. Subbed for sure. Looking forward to more.
MY GOD ULTRAKILL MUSIC! WAR WITHOUT REASON! TEN MINUTES IN! YOU'RE OFFICIALLY one of my favorite deltatubers now.
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I HAVE PAUSED THE VIDEO AND HAVEN'T SEEN PAST THIS.
I am predicting that Kris will one day remove us and retain control over themselves. So when that happens, we need a new vessel. What better vessel than THE ONE WE MADE AT THE BIGING OF THE GAME! I will comment on this comment my reaction if I'm right or not.
Yep.
I feel like the goner you make at the beginning of chapter 1 might become a sort of vessel or host for your SOUL when kris eventually gets rid of your SOUL permanently. The cutscenes where Kris gets rid of the SOUL in chapter 1 and 2 could be foreshadowing that something like that will happen again but on a greater scale where you would then take control of the goner vessel you made which probably has connections to Gaster.... probably
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Noelle is the angels heaven. No matter the route I swear she will be important to banishing the angles heaven, maybe we will need to banishing the angle we created or have to banish the player who created her
I'm so glad I found this channel. Even it's your 100% wrong, this is the most fun I've had speculating
Here’s why I think Susie’s healing magic is important: I play dnd, right? And one thing that I’ve learned is that even tiny nothing healing spells can be important because they can take someone from being downed to being functional again, even if it’s only by a few hit points. I know that Susie’s healing magic is seen as a little nothing useless spell and Deltarune is very much not DnD but I can’t help but in both of them, characters are up if their HP is above 0. I lean more towards Susie’s healing magic might come in handy at some vital point in the future (though given the current cost of 100% for it that might be in a cutscene instead of in battle lol).
1:32 Good, cause you're awesome and I really love your videos so far 😄
"What happens next, ch 3 and 4 releases a week after this video?"
Video dropped: 6 days ago
Looks at time: 11:40 pm
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I think I found my new favorite youtuber
alternatively: the song coming from the sea might be penumbra phantasm. it's foreshadowed in 'THE HOLY' as a small motif, and due to the response on tobys Tumblr about penumbra phantasm yeilded a similar response to toby's first tweet. and, another reason being how onion said that you can only hear snippits of it, like how the full song never released during hometuck. also toby likes reusing music, and reused it during SAVE the world and Hopes and Dreams. the 'sea' theme could be from the whale sfx from some variations
Great analysis hope you don't stay just for deltarune videos, you got so much potencial and i will love to hear more from you
I won't, this channel is mainly my gonna be for me to talk about the things I want to talk about, maybe to funny video edits with it too. Deltarune is just what I am focusing on at the moment, because the game just has its hooks in me
Dang. After your theory/conspiracy of ICE-Es, its possible to have some merit. I mean, he's made of ice and snow, and Noelle's element is Oce as well. The Snowgrave Route is officially called the Weird Route, where you corrupt Noelle into killing Darkners. What does ICE-E do but corrupt parts of the game, causing it to glitch or have stuff out of place. It is practically spelt out that ICEE has major importance in the Weird Route.
Adding to the collective tinfoil hat moment, I've been wondering...
How would Ralsei react when he finds out what the player has been doing in the wierd route?
We can assume that he is going to be one of the least excited with the idea, of course. But we can't know exactly the magnitude of the measures he will take.
Is like he somewhere king of.... BAD TIME
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HOLY HECK MAN , this is my alarm for over 4 mounts, don't scare me like that !!😮
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oMG 😳😳 that makes so much sense
i think if anyone is going to learn the fire spell it will be ralsei 100% first off in undertale the only characters we see with fire spell powers are toriel and asgore who seem to both be some kind of goat species, based off appearances ralsei seems to be from the same species aswell so it wouldnt be too far off to assume maybe he will gain the knowledge of these fire spells aswell. Personally i think he will maybe learn from a character in the future that could maybe appear like a dark world version of toriel or asgore or maybe in a future chapter they might even go to a dark world with susie and kris, especially considering they both are important (both in undertale and in kris’s life in general) (also the weird flowey like flowers in asgores house?? whats that about??) Another point I need to mention is how Ralsei is already tender and vulnerable with kris, ralsei isnt a feisty kinda person unlike susie so if susie is learning healing spells to symbolize becoming more soft and vulnerable with kris and the others than how far is it too assume if ralsei got fire powers it could symbolize him becoming more confident and powerful? Also notice how the only character we also see with snowy ice power things is noelle and noelle is from the lightworld/normal one kris lives in aswell? why couldnt ralsei maybe act like a vice versa or yin and yang to noelle in the future especially considering snowgrave when maybe noelle and ralsei might team up to try and stop kris, or, kris could maybe put them against eachother. These are all just speculations though
Something mildly hilarious that happened while I was watching the video:
I have Shimeji's on my laptop, and one of them was just sitting down with a neutral expression. In the middle of your Ice-E rant, she went from neutral to unamused xD
I dont remember where but toby fox once wrote
Ice E is not real
And then 1 paragraph later he says
Ice E is real
if you will allow my being silly 8:56 'hey kid'5! Can you help me Solve this puzzle ?'
10:27 and i get hit with the most random sequence of events lol. Ice e is a corruptted game file ply s war without reason playing in the background...
Nice
I can't believe there's STILL more I'm learning about this game and we're only 2 chapters in, is toby making the best game ever or what?
Yay!!! More!!!!
The fact that when Big Shot played it was just my standard music volume 😂😭
I'm sure someone probably has point out this already, but I don't seem to find it anywhere so I just wanted to say: Ice-E = I see. If Gaster is the one who is always listening, Ice-E is the one who is watching you.
4:27 BACK TO THAT GU?
1:19 As a Rangu and Ghost Trick fan, relatable
so cool
Oo theres more
the old song that's coming from the sea is penumbra phantasm and i refuse to believe otherwise because I'm too deep into this theory already
sorry for the brainrot
I want you all to know that there is a high chance that Susie's healing magic being ass >now< could be compared to Terry's attack being ass in Lisa the Painful. And Toby Fox likes rpg maker games. All I'm saying is that if at any point you're given the option to trade out Susie's magic DO NOT DO IT
Finally people are talking about Catti and Susie.
I personally don't think it implies something sinister about Susie, but I do believe it is something that could lead to character moments. I thought of the Ideea that if (or when) Catti will eneter a dark world, the game will focus on the realtion between Susie and Catt.
I believe that both will show eachother's strengths and weaknesses through their rivalry. What Catti's character flaws might be, I have no ideea, but for Susie I do.
I believe Susie is too impulsive. This impulsiveness is good in some aspects, (her taking intiative in saving Noelle when she is attacked by the werewires), but it can also be bad. Susie is completly ok with Berdly creating a dark fountain, despite her hearing the prophesy (I know she didn't know about the Roaring, but she should have realised that creating more dark fountains would be bad).
Diferent contents of the drawer across save files might imply that all 4 save files belong to kriss and that he used them before , and his choices influensed contents of the drawer.
Because i will never belive that toby choose to have 4 save files siply for the sake of convinience.
But he might ve done it to incuarage our inhumane expirementation in this world...
13:25 year i figured that a while ago
I mean, the Thrash Machine was made to kick 'your' ass, so maybe the 'your' was actually referring to the vessel you made in the beginning?
Wings Disaster is a
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Ah Ice-E pizzeria is probably going to be a Darkworld with that burger pants dude has a party member isn't i- Hey hold up, didn't we talk about an ice themed darkworld before? Wasn't it about Noël and Rudy and the game she played, "Dragon Blazers", which was an rpg... hey was that guy hitting the pizza dough talking about wizards and shit as if he was role playing or something?
Anyway for what I've found there's Seam who says we'll need the Shadow mantle against Chapter 3's stronger-boss-related-to-the-Knight-and-that-gives-a-shadowcrystal but it was stolen and he comments on how we may lose a party member because victory is not possible (well he says that nut he assumes there's three party members, either having more will prevent this from happening, either a scenario in which only two characters fight them, similarily to the Spamton NEO weird route fight where you only had Kris).
First I think it's possible that boss may not be optional like Jevil and Spamton NEO because Jevil was a secret boss but Spamton appears during the main story and the bossfight is put as a known but optional side quest, and then his weird route boss fight is not optional.
Second : I don't who would be able to steal the Shadow Mantle without Seam noticing but the Knight, which we know is a Lightner and could have picked up the item corresponding to the Shadow Mantle in the lightworld while in the abandoned classroom. (Or maybe it just fell when Kris picked up the stuff to bring it to Castle town)
The other thing is the twisted sword, created by the fusion of the ThornRing and a PureCrystal in the Bakery shop in Castle Town. That might just be a way for the player to use the weapon they might have partially relied on but can't use anymore due to Noël not being a party member next time, or it might be Kris time to continue the rampage.
Oh and I guess Seam's line "Unfortunately, without the Shadow Mantle, at 2 you may remain" might be linked to Noël mentioning a mage leaving the party while playing Dragon Blazers.
Cool man
I think the ultimate goal is to kill the player, it is implied the angel is the player in the first game, so banishing the angels heaven would probably be to kill the player and remove the happy ending
Edit: lost a be, and in this metaphor we would be angels, the beings given the charge to show the people of god/Toby’s world the right path(the good ending). Thus we probably have to let go and let them create their own ending even tho it isn’t the good one
Edit: lost a , and a the was replaced by a to
random war without reason event
nice
omg ultrakill music
58 seconds ago is wild
unsure if catti is gonna be important. no dialogue sound.
i say this cus it seems like between chapter 1 and 2, rouxls was going to have one retroactively added to him, but then toby decided against it. he COULD have decided to make characters who previously had no sound (keep in mind toby said chapter 1s initial release would have differences to the final) have sounds, but then he didn't. you could say that since rouxls reappears in chapter 2 that this argument shouldnt apply, since rouxls did reappear, but also catti didnt even get an unused one. i feel like shes gonna be more of a source for cryptic exposition down the line, like how tem serves a gameplay purpose of counting your eggs.
jockington is also for sure just comic relief, i feel like hes building up to some kind of joke where his group project is gonna be something really deep and have nothing to do with sports, but thats just my thoughts.