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Maybe its a bit to simple to say, that your goal is only to win a tournament. But most pay-out structures are top heavy, so its definitly good to reach the payout with an at least average stack size. So play conservatively in the beginning, take chances near the bubble, and after that it all depend on the chip distribution. However once you have reached the payout with a decent stack, it become kind of cathastrofic to bust out before any player, who is significantly shorter stacked than you. So this is often again a time to stay out of big pots with the other big stacks, go for some cheap steals, and wait for the shortstackers to bust.
That's a recipy for blinding out and becoming the shortstack yourself, you have to play a bit tighter in the bubble because of ICM pressure and take your chances in the mid stages and the money. You're gonna bust early or min cash a lot, but the times that you don't, you put yourself in a position where you can reach the final table with a big stack and be more likely to get 3rd or better.
it's not that AA becomes useless, it's just that you require so many double ups to get back into contention. Also when you get really short you guarantee that your shoves will not get through (everyone folds) which is a huge element to the profitability or moving all in. Would you rather have 80% equity and get called 100% of the time, or 40% equity when called but a 75% chance of having everyone fold?
Gripsed Poker Training , To answer your question, I'd rather have 80% equity & get called 100% of the time because that means that I should double up + the blinds & ante's most of the time... I understand your point though, because Aces don't come around often enough
Pretty good dissection of tournaments... I take my foot off the gas sometimes when I am comfortably stacked so I learned quite a bit from this video thank you!
So for the most part in micro tournaments the ideal strategy will be to open as a steal and to avoid the 3-bet 4-bet wars? I can definitely seeing this being a perfectly profitable strategy on a fairly weak table.
if you are able to get chips early you can put them to work, and reinvest those additional chips to have an easier time building your stack and cruising through the tournament. While i understand what you're saying that you like to take big flips, my question is how do you intend to GET TO THE STAGE where big flips are an option if you don't do any gambling early? IF THE FIELD IS EXTREMELY WEAK I don't mind avoiding flips and finding smoother spots to chip up. value of tourney life increases.
so happy i found this channel,.i read book after book and probably only take a few % of info in but these videos teach me more in minutes than hours on the books.thanks man : )
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Another good contribution Evan, making moves like restealing with Ax type is a must if u want 2 win. But you have to pick who you are going to do this to, a HUD is a good way to give us some instant information on our likely success of stealing. As you cannot just wait for the nuts when the blinds and antes are so big that most players seem to be low on chips. Maybe you could make a video on making moves maybe a hand history would be best as we are talking about towards the end of a tourney. TY
DUDE!!! Talk about timely!! Played 2 tourneys yesterday, and freaking bubbled both!! THIS is exactly my issue and have struggled w this for ssso long!!!! Thank you, my new found poker brother!! Brett
Super important thing. I have heard this twice in the same day and many times before so I know that it's a very important technique. Re-stealing becomes basically vital if you find yourself around 15-20xBB. This was scary for me at first, but it has really bumped up my tourney play immensely. Definitely pick the right spots and hammer at a loose opener, and you'll find yourself adding around 15-20% without a showdown. Also, look up the chip-sandwich play found in little green book -phil gordon.
i generally don't expect tournament players to fold top pair or better, pretty much ever. The average MTT player is much less capable of laying down a good looking/decent strength hand than the average cash game player. There are some exceptions though of course
I'm interested in the difference between playing big pots and DNeg's 'small ball' approach. Intuitively, it seems that small ball would require that we open a wider range of hands from all positions, but be willing to fold them sooner. In this way, we take advantage of tighter players' wont to fold against aggression. Obviously, we need to adjust our bet sizing for each spot as players in the hand respond differently to bet sizing. One person will fold where another will call or reraise in the same spot.
I'd say poker is not the same today as it was in Negreanu's days, you can't just play 30 - 35% of your range, bet really small everytime and fold too much facing aggression, players aren't as tight and value heavy as they used to be. You need to take chances when it makes sense, win flips, defend the big blind, 3bet, bluff jam all in in crucial pots, stuff like that. Sure you'll bust in the mid stages a little more than average but when you get to the FT you usually have a big stack and therefore a higher chance to take one of the top 3 prices. I recommend watching tonkaaaap on twitch.
It's important to adjust bet sizing depending on what you want to accomplish. There are times when we want to control pot sizing, times when we want to be able to credibly GII by the river, etc. Small ball has its place, but go big or go home does, too. That said, "busting more than average" doesn't seem GTO to me. We want to play EVERY spot for the highest EV.
I meant bust in the mid stages more than the average player, but you give yourself a better chance of getting to the final table with a big stack, hence winning one of the top 3 prices more often than the average player. Also betting small is usually a pretty good strategy on a lot of flops, and playing pot control, bluff catching, inducing, all very common as well, and the same can be said for bluffing and playing aggressively with value hands, there's no deny you have to play some postflop and use the best moves you can to take down pots, but considering a big portion of tournament poker is played with a small effective stack, you'll have to be getting in a lot of pre flop all in situations, which amateur players tend to avoid once they're close to, or in the money, so they'll blind out just to move up a bit more in the payout structure, which is NOT much of a winning strategy for MTTs. Seriously, watch tonkaaaap.
That can also be beneficial as those same players will 3bet/5bet with a hand like AT or A9 and it puts you in a very +EV spot when you get dealt your big Ace. I just find its easy to get into dominating spots with those players as they are just playing their 2 cards and so dont really understand the relative value of their hands.
In Sklanski's books on tourneys he advises to avoid ANY big pots in the first few levels bc the chips have less value at the beginning; even to the point of advocating folding AA in an all in situation, just to avoid the variance and be there "when it really matters." Are you familiar with his comments, and if you are, is his thinking outdated (these books are 20 or more years old) or is he just wrong?
@@plasticplanetdiscgolf thats a good way to get knocked out. AA doesnt always win. You can't win the tourney in the beginning stages, but that hand can lose a tourney early.
Dude...I had this playing in the background as I played in a tournament, turned on the aggression in places I would have normally folded and I ran them all over lol. Thanks for the advice!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! You describe my experience exactly! When stacks are deep, I play good patient poker and double or triple my starting stack. But in the middle to late stages, I find myself blinding down and next thing I know, I'm a short stack! I played today, 12-13-21, and was too timid to re-steal the button steal of my big blind (he was stealing every time he was in the cutoff or button, but folding to resteals). Then, with 15 BB, I elected to go all in from the cut-off with A7o and the BB woke up with AK. Out in top 20%. Happens all the time. Your video is INSTRUCTIVE! I will keep your ideas in the back of my mind -- and try to apply in future tourneys.
My secret is riding the aggressive waves and passive ones , just play small pots in the middle stages you need to defend the blinds and raise in LP, but the later stages i think you need a good balance of both
I play hyper Lag style for MTTs with a average and average 35/27 stats. I can do this because i have exceptional postflop ability to outplay people postflop. From the 1st 3 seats i play relatively tight but from middle position i open a very wide range. I will 3bet from late position with with Ace and king blockers, 95s and other suited hands. It allows me to get paid big time when i do have it. I adjust to player types, abuse position, can make big laydowns it allows me to amass a lot of chips.
I tend to look for those spots when another smaller stack shoves in front and gets another call/shove after, at this point is where I take that gamble to triple up. I figure at that point I don't need the huge hand, just 2 live cards.
were there antes too? with a 369k stack and 75K+ in the middle PF, your M/CSI is ~5. You made the right play as stealing increases stack by 20% and you're in good shape against V's calling ranges. We'd need effective stack sizes and all our villains M's in order to determine if this was +EV but I'm almost certain this is standard. If there were antes too, you should be shoving any two broadways/ any PP in this spot as your M/CSI would be below 4. Better luck next time
Why is it better to take flips in the beginning of a tournament rather than late? If you happen to run dead toward the middle/end of of tournament and eventually have to take flips, I would much rather take them toward the end of a tourney when the blinds & ante's are so high that 2 double ups from flips could easily make you top 5 in chips. I try to avoid flip situations early on when the risk/reward isn't the same as it is later on, tourney's are all about survival. Marathon, not a sprint!
Learner OfTruth - He said early, but really he meant in the middle stages. Basically if you only play small pots and avoid every all-in pot until the end of the tournament, you will never go into the final table as chip leader, you are just going to get blinded / ante'd down to 10BB then you will be forced to survive several all ins to have a playable stack and you will need a huge amount of luck to win every flip. Whereas if you take some calculated risks and pick off the desperate short stacks who will be shoving in the middle stages you can build a decent stack and make some steals against tight players who are just looking to survive. Don't just blindly steal the blinds. You need to pick your spots and be aware of who you're playing. Steal from the tight & short stack players, avoid the big stacks and either re-pop or fold to the loose stealing players depending on the situation.
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You don't mention ICM and I don't think you do in your MTT guide either, and it's pretty much the reason why you can pick on certain players and force them into making big laydowns in the late stages. Often times it's -$EV to call in a +cEV spot etc.. I'm obviously assuming you're familiar with this; just thought you might want to mention it in a later video or something.
Hey bud thx for the video its so funny i just busted out of a tournament in tenth place it was a 2r1a blinds are 25k/50k and average stack is about 350k i had 369k utg withKQ i intsa jam all in and im sure this is the right play ended up bubbling FT but hey i win the flip vs tens i got over 700k chips with a much better chance to win the tournament what do u think was it a bad play?
your ideas and goal setting is a breathe of fresh air :) thanks and keep em coming, if i get more stuck or bad beats ill write u a msg to help me fine tune my game :)
Hey I really love your videos! I got a questions: How should I review my session? Calculate some Hands, use some special Filters? I only look at my Hands where I lost the most und won the most...
I used to be so good and now it seems like I’m losing at least 500,000 chips every session. You got the try hard bluffers that go all in on before the flop. Then you got the people that bet high and when you give in, they get the card they need AFTER they already bet. Seems like I always get 2 and 7s every hand. And sometimes when I’m smart and fold (on low cards) I would’ve had a 3 of a kind on the flop. And when I get actual good cards they always go to waste either bc someone bets big time before the flop or just bc it ends up standing as a high card. My winnings used to average over 500k and now average at 30k, and I lose about 20k a hand bc of the ante, all while only winning 1 in 15 hands bc it’s always nonstop shitty cards 🤬🤬.
3:00 Yes its important to be aggressive. Put your foot on the gas from the time of regging? What about switching gears? I have always thought that being patient early in live tourneys is almost always best. You build a tight image. So, if you go card dead in the mid/late levels, atleast you have a tight image to 3-bet shove your 15-20bb stack. Depending on your opponent/'s stack, getting a fold is more likely.Look for good situations, like jamming against tight players limping or stling frm btn.
this is really true, there is a saying "you cant win the tournament in the first minutes, but you can loose in the first minutes". play tight in the first blinds, since there is no point to risk 3 blinds bet, to win 1,5 blinds. when the blinds start to get bigger, them run over everyone with agression, its when their stack is small that they have more fear
There's a lot to say about tournament- Just about card dead times. Don't play tighter! It is exactly the wrong thing to do when you are deep in the tournament. Be willing to limp if the table lets you limp. Raise like you hold the nuts as opposed to shoving but play it as SUCH (if no one shows strength). If people paid attention to you then they will believe the story you tell even if you have a shorter stack. Why would a short stack bluff a pot? Works for me. Cards to play any connectors/ guts
I play a hyper LAg style and when i get AAs even if im in the big blind everyone more often than not has nothing. I just folded AAs to a turn raise heads up in a live MTT at casino on the turn i tabled AAs he tabled a flush.
Just want to make it clearer-> By taking early flips you risk getting more chips which opens up your hand range by a huge factor early game which in turn allows you to go much further on the board against other players that in turn will give you far more chips by bluffing or winning outright. Late game the flip is a choice of last resort or best resort. You don't want it as your last way out, you want it as a choice. Again it's maximize your arsenal, pick the best weapon for the job.
Insom fear is a big obstacle you have to overcome. If you are too scared to take risks then you'll only ever min cash in tournaments. Fold equity in games is MUCH more important than what you hold. You want the big money? Be willing to call all ins when you hold AQ or AK etc. When your chip stack is so low that all the table will call your all in-> you have failed to chip up early game
However my biggest leaks are that i suffer from FPS symdrome. EG, yesterday i tried check raise bluffing the river against what i thought was a good player who called me with top pair for AK even though my line was perfectly indicative of a flush or a straight. It tilts the fuck out of me when i make a really good bluff i know exactly what my opponent has and he still calls.
in this shortstack push/fold state it is important to abandon call small to see flop or small ball stabs. mostly you are just wasting chips. i also find it better to fold 77 with 10 BB if there was a bet infront of me, i rather push hand like 86 1st. when reraising already open pot you will get called and then you are really flipping. however - it is ok to shove with 77 if there was bet and call since it is more likely they will have common high cards thus blocking each other. tripple 4 the win
To chip up with bad cards.... stop playing your cards.... play theirs. Be aggressive & use bets as questions to determine if they have anything.... a good indication is when they fold.....different size bets & whether they are called or raised will give you different indidctors on your opponents position in the hand... attack any insecurity.
+LucVNO a good attack plan being make a 1/4 pot sized bet at the flop to see if you opponent will reraise... if they dont, but only call, turn bet should be high, 85% of pot... if they call again, stop & fold that shit!!! But they shouldnt call, not if they didnt reraise a 1/4 pot bet at the flop
+LucVNO Except paying to find out what they are holding is just that... paying for information. If you bet the flop and they call... what do you do? Bet more on the turn to see if they really have it? I feel like the whole "bet for information" thing is only valid when you actually aren't risking much... There's always the off chance you bet for info and they are feeding you wrong information intentionally... like a rag flop comes out with maybe a draw... you bet, they call. You think maybe they are chasing or just have A high or something... You bet more on a nothing turn. They call. River comes and the draw didn't hit... now what do you do? Fire a big bet? Check back? You just wasted chips trying to get information from them and all you got was maybe they are on a draw and maybe they have something. So maybe they bet big and take the hand from you, or you bet big and they shove all in and now you're screwed... and you either fold and lose or call and see they had a pocket pair and flopped a set.
I suffered from this this week try and play tight and raise only good hands got myself up to 30th didn’t get a decent hand and missed when I did get one. In the end lost a flip when I was ahead on the flop. My steals never work out i usually always get called and my c bets either get called or re raised I probably rely to much on flips. Played for about 3-4 hours the best starting hand I got was jacks. Got a-k once or twice lost my aq to a runner runner straight
@@gripsed been watching more of your videos trying to open more in position about 2-3x never seem to pull it off either 3 bet by bb or shoved am i not betting enough to easy to read or just have bad timing i usually play too tight but whenever i try to bluff or play a little loose i'm punished
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In longer format competitions (blinds raising every 20-30 minutes) I find you have swings in card quality as long as you played like a NIT/TAG earlier on when the cards were coming out and chipped up. Turbos though (10-15 minutes), sure, go nuts, just make sure you go nuts when I have it ;)
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Hello everyone, can somebody pls tell me how or when to stop playing after playing 5 hrs and upward. Sometimes i just don't know when to stop playing specially when i'm winning. Recently I was up 2600 in cash playing holdem with a capital of just 300 and I ended loosing it all after playing for 11 hrs. I know on that situation my only move is to get the hell out of that game but I always find excuses on my head to stay. If anyone can give me advice it wll be greatly appreciated.
Eleuterio Medina The easiest way is just to set a time limit or an alarm before you start a session. and once that time limit is up regardless of whether you are up or down you leave.. Granted it take disciciple and you will often end up leaving when you are down.. but there is nothing wrong with record a loss one in a while.. The problem is that some people feel the need to be up every session they play even if its only slightly up
What I usually do is play until I'm big stacked, and eventually leave and join a different table (so I keep some of my winnings). I basically start trying to build up a stack from the start again every time I tripple up or more. In your case I would have probably quit at 1500$ or so.
***** OK maybe rules are different in Australia but you cant do that in Australian casinos.. if you leave the table you cant come back for an hour. This is to stop people from reducing there stakes every time they win a hand.
+Eleuterio Medina When I have been playing for a lot of hours I ask myself.. if someone takes a stack of chips from me am I willing to grind for hours to get it back. If the answer is no then its time to leave. Because It is a guarantee that if you play long enough no matter how good u are running someone is gonna get a piece of your stack. Thinking that I should leave and then losing a big hand can mess with you mentally because you will think. damn.. if only I would have left. This can cause you to make mistakes because of frustration. Leave when you are no longer willing to battle it out.
I was a casino croupier for many years and the best advice that I ever heard and which I now apply to playing poker is to realise that at some point, you have to walk away while you are winning. If you don't you will only ever walk away when you are losing... so really think about that. I have seen so many gambler's put it all back in because they have this idea that if they are winning they can't walk away... cause they are winning.... but that is exactly what you must do. If your running hot go with the flow but when you start to lose a bit ... walk away and accept that you will lose back a little and then walk away.... also knowing your own stamina make a time limit rule and follow it. Make rules for yourself and follow them. Good luck!
It should also be noted that even if people have never even heard the term ICM before, they still are essentially "ICM-aware" meaning they aren't looking to take marginal +cEV spots if it means getting nothing or significantly a less a decent percentage of the time. It's crucial to exploit the fuck out of these players.
Even, and my fellow you tubers, I play small $50-$250 tourneys in LA and Vegas. I find that at most tables it is hard to get away with the raises preflop until the 3nd to 4th round of antes. During thee first two rounds of antes I find I have better luck C betting, donk betting and check raising flops to steal. Any thoughts.
I still raise the first few rounds of antes, I was just commenting that there is almost zero fold equity pre flop during the first few rounds of antes in the tournaments I play. I mention it, because Evans material suggests raising suited connectors once antes start.
stop playing those tournaments the rake is way to high to profit. online the rake is like 1/10 of what it is live and totally doable but live you gotta play higher for it to be worth the rake. same thing with cash games low limit cash 100 dollar buy in 20 dollar buy in etc the pot literally dissapears because of rake
You just have to think what your opponent's calling range in that spot is... even if you sell a believable story but your opponent is a donk who can't let go of his pre-flop monster (in this case AK although another typical spot is kings not letting go of the hand with an Ace in your range on the board) then you should maybe avoid making that play. But yes I can understand why that would be tilting; and if it's early on in a tournament with no info on the player then you didn't do much wrong.
Yep,Evan,you best keep your ass on line because in live action casino style I would truly clean your plow.That was a joke.More seriously thank you for the valuable insights.
Recommend building the stack early, so you can take advantage of lower to middle stack players as the bubble approaches. Everyone play's tighter when the bubble is near. But be aware! When the money is reached, there will be several minutes of gongshow flips, so this is a good time to sit back and watch, unless you can get in with a monter! Btw, I'm 17, turing 18 in less than a month, so look out for me at the tables!
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Here's my problem. What happens when you get no cards, and you get played back at during every steal attempt? What then? I know some players are more likely to try and resteal but sometimes people just wake up with a hand on your steal attempt. You're saying play suited ace or 77 and up... what if you just keep getting J2o, 72o, 105o, 93o... etc? What then? I sat there getting hands like this for half an hour, and every time I even got a hand that I thought I could steal with, some guy would raise huge in front of me and I'd have to lay my hand down because I just couldn't shove on him with my low-medium holding. What happens to me is I get this bad run of cards until I'm too low to do much else but wait for something I can feel confident with... I get like A6 suited and shove my small stack, and some huge chip stack guy makes an insta call with AQ or something and I go busto. At what point is a stack so small that you just shove it with anything in hope to steal? 10BB? 8BB? More? Less? Thanks in advance for any help!
Most authors going back to the Harrington books would say around that 10 big blind range is where you need to take your shot, otherwise you have to get lucky twice to get back in play. If I had to take a shot with rags at a table that most people are not getting an original raise through, I would try a three bet real light if all I was getting are rags.
+Konidias at some point, while you're in late position and prior to just 10 BBs left, you need to ignore what cards you have and play the dam hand as if you have KK or AA. Simple as that. Put fear into the other players and use that late position to your advantage to re-raise or 3bet or 4bet pre-flop. Play their cards, not yours when you're at the do or die moment .......at like 15 BBs or even 20.
+Kimock7 All I'm saying is that it's pretty common knowledge to start playing aggressive when a person is near 10 BB or less, so you really aren't fooling anyone... and if some guy is at the table with like 50-60 BB, he might call your bluff on the off chance he's holding anything remotely decent. It's hard to put fear in people when playing online poker... You get people calling half their stack on a whim.
+Konidias ........absolutely correct, so even more important to do it way before 10 bb's because Mr. Superstack next to you has 60BBs. My comments are strictly for LIVE play. Online is a calling machine as you know.
I think in most situations if you are over 20-25 biggs, you should not be looking to only play a shove or 3 bet shove strategy. You have a playable stack, and have more than an average stack in the middle to later rounds.
That's why i think most MTT players are inferior to cash game players. They don't think about ranges they only really think about their own 2 cards. How can TPTK ever be good enough to play for 150bbs against a strong player in a spot where he can never be bluffing?
All these so called poker training videos are so contradictory. Girst they say play good hands and wait for your spot then they say you gotta take risk with bad hands.
I felt the same way. But I believe you have to play the combination of both ways. It’s like driving a stick shift car. Change gears when the opportunity presents itself.
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Maybe its a bit to simple to say, that your goal is only to win a tournament. But most pay-out structures are top heavy, so its definitly good to reach the payout with an at least average stack size. So play conservatively in the beginning, take chances near the bubble, and after that it all depend on the chip distribution.
However once you have reached the payout with a decent stack, it become kind of cathastrofic to bust out before any player, who is significantly shorter stacked than you. So this is often again a time to stay out of big pots with the other big stacks, go for some cheap steals, and wait for the shortstackers to bust.
That's a recipy for blinding out and becoming the shortstack yourself, you have to play a bit tighter in the bubble because of ICM pressure and take your chances in the mid stages and the money. You're gonna bust early or min cash a lot, but the times that you don't, you put yourself in a position where you can reach the final table with a big stack and be more likely to get 3rd or better.
it's not that AA becomes useless, it's just that you require so many double ups to get back into contention. Also when you get really short you guarantee that your shoves will not get through (everyone folds) which is a huge element to the profitability or moving all in. Would you rather have 80% equity and get called 100% of the time, or 40% equity when called but a 75% chance of having everyone fold?
Gripsed Poker Training , To answer your question, I'd rather have 80% equity & get called 100% of the time because that means that I should double up + the blinds & ante's most of the time... I understand your point though, because Aces don't come around often enough
Pretty good dissection of tournaments... I take my foot off the gas sometimes when I am comfortably stacked so I learned quite a bit from this video thank you!
So for the most part in micro tournaments the ideal strategy will be to open as a steal and to avoid the 3-bet 4-bet wars? I can definitely seeing this being a perfectly profitable strategy on a fairly weak table.
if you are able to get chips early you can put them to work, and reinvest those additional chips to have an easier time building your stack and cruising through the tournament. While i understand what you're saying that you like to take big flips, my question is how do you intend to GET TO THE STAGE where big flips are an option if you don't do any gambling early?
IF THE FIELD IS EXTREMELY WEAK I don't mind avoiding flips and finding smoother spots to chip up. value of tourney life increases.
so happy i found this channel,.i read book after book and probably only take a few % of info in but these videos teach me more in minutes than hours on the books.thanks man : )
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Very well said, thank you for this great response IceKuma. I've never thought to call it 'the chip up early game' and i must say i really like it :)
Another good contribution Evan, making moves like restealing with Ax type is a must if u want 2 win. But you have to pick who you are going to do this to, a HUD is a good way to give us some instant information on our likely success of stealing. As you cannot just wait for the nuts when the blinds and antes are so big that most players seem to be low on chips. Maybe you could make a video on making moves maybe a hand history would be best as we are talking about towards the end of a tourney. TY
DUDE!!! Talk about timely!! Played 2 tourneys yesterday, and freaking bubbled both!! THIS is exactly my issue and have struggled w this for ssso long!!!! Thank you, my new found poker brother!! Brett
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Super important thing. I have heard this twice in the same day and many times before so I know that it's a very important technique. Re-stealing becomes basically vital if you find yourself around 15-20xBB. This was scary for me at first, but it has really bumped up my tourney play immensely. Definitely pick the right spots and hammer at a loose opener, and you'll find yourself adding around 15-20% without a showdown. Also, look up the chip-sandwich play found in little green book -phil gordon.
Streaming this video whilst coming 1st in a Tournament, all of your points -- very valid!
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i generally don't expect tournament players to fold top pair or better, pretty much ever. The average MTT player is much less capable of laying down a good looking/decent strength hand than the average cash game player. There are some exceptions though of course
Awesome video really needed to hear that . Great poker coaching as ever .
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I'm interested in the difference between playing big pots and DNeg's 'small ball' approach. Intuitively, it seems that small ball would require that we open a wider range of hands from all positions, but be willing to fold them sooner. In this way, we take advantage of tighter players' wont to fold against aggression. Obviously, we need to adjust our bet sizing for each spot as players in the hand respond differently to bet sizing. One person will fold where another will call or reraise in the same spot.
I'd say poker is not the same today as it was in Negreanu's days, you can't just play 30 - 35% of your range, bet really small everytime and fold too much facing aggression, players aren't as tight and value heavy as they used to be. You need to take chances when it makes sense, win flips, defend the big blind, 3bet, bluff jam all in in crucial pots, stuff like that. Sure you'll bust in the mid stages a little more than average but when you get to the FT you usually have a big stack and therefore a higher chance to take one of the top 3 prices. I recommend watching tonkaaaap on twitch.
It's important to adjust bet sizing depending on what you want to accomplish. There are times when we want to control pot sizing, times when we want to be able to credibly GII by the river, etc. Small ball has its place, but go big or go home does, too. That said, "busting more than average" doesn't seem GTO to me. We want to play EVERY spot for the highest EV.
I meant bust in the mid stages more than the average player, but you give yourself a better chance of getting to the final table with a big stack, hence winning one of the top 3 prices more often than the average player.
Also betting small is usually a pretty good strategy on a lot of flops, and playing pot control, bluff catching, inducing, all very common as well, and the same can be said for bluffing and playing aggressively with value hands, there's no deny you have to play some postflop and use the best moves you can to take down pots, but considering a big portion of tournament poker is played with a small effective stack, you'll have to be getting in a lot of pre flop all in situations, which amateur players tend to avoid once they're close to, or in the money, so they'll blind out just to move up a bit more in the payout structure, which is NOT much of a winning strategy for MTTs. Seriously, watch tonkaaaap.
That can also be beneficial as those same players will 3bet/5bet with a hand like AT or A9 and it puts you in a very +EV spot when you get dealt your big Ace. I just find its easy to get into dominating spots with those players as they are just playing their 2 cards and so dont really understand the relative value of their hands.
In Sklanski's books on tourneys he advises to avoid ANY big pots in the first few levels bc the chips have less value at the beginning; even to the point of advocating folding AA in an all in situation, just to avoid the variance and be there "when it really matters." Are you familiar with his comments, and if you are, is his thinking outdated (these books are 20 or more years old) or is he just wrong?
Sorry dude but if you're folding AA heads up you're not trying to win. Aces could get cracked at any point
@@plasticplanetdiscgolf thats a good way to get knocked out. AA doesnt always win. You can't win the tourney in the beginning stages, but that hand can lose a tourney early.
Hes not wrong.
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Dude...I had this playing in the background as I played in a tournament, turned on the aggression in places I would have normally folded and I ran them all over lol. Thanks for the advice!
+Robert Quayle Dude, way to go! Now that's making maximum use of the pokertraining videos, props props props, may you continue to stack em up high!
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Thank you, thank you, thank you! You describe my experience exactly! When stacks are deep, I play good patient poker and double or triple my starting stack. But in the middle to late stages, I find myself blinding down and next thing I know, I'm a short stack! I played today, 12-13-21, and was too timid to re-steal the button steal of my big blind (he was stealing every time he was in the cutoff or button, but folding to resteals). Then, with 15 BB, I elected to go all in from the cut-off with A7o and the BB woke up with AK. Out in top 20%. Happens all the time. Your video is INSTRUCTIVE! I will keep your ideas in the back of my mind -- and try to apply in future tourneys.
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My secret is riding the aggressive waves and passive ones , just play small pots in the middle stages you need to defend the blinds and raise in LP, but the later stages i think you need a good balance of both
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I play hyper Lag style for MTTs with a average and average 35/27 stats. I can do this because i have exceptional postflop ability to outplay people postflop. From the 1st 3 seats i play relatively tight but from middle position i open a very wide range. I will 3bet from late position with with Ace and king blockers, 95s and other suited hands. It allows me to get paid big time when i do have it. I adjust to player types, abuse position, can make big laydowns it allows me to amass a lot of chips.
Thanks so much Evan! Ur videos very helpfull. I watch ur video everyday, to remember all of ur advice. Big thanks to you again!!
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I tend to look for those spots when another smaller stack shoves in front and gets another call/shove after, at this point is where I take that gamble to triple up. I figure at that point I don't need the huge hand, just 2 live cards.
Really nice video! You described exactly what I always get myself into. Thanks! I hope you do well at the world series :)
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were there antes too? with a 369k stack and 75K+ in the middle PF, your M/CSI is ~5. You made the right play as stealing increases stack by 20% and you're in good shape against V's calling ranges. We'd need effective stack sizes and all our villains M's in order to determine if this was +EV but I'm almost certain this is standard. If there were antes too, you should be shoving any two broadways/ any PP in this spot as your M/CSI would be below 4. Better luck next time
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Very informative thank you. Actually all your videos are very informative/insightful.
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thx for the feedback evan gl in the wsop cant wait to watch u play live on tv lol
Why is it better to take flips in the beginning of a tournament rather than late? If you happen to run dead toward the middle/end of of tournament and eventually have to take flips, I would much rather take them toward the end of a tourney when the blinds & ante's are so high that 2 double ups from flips could easily make you top 5 in chips. I try to avoid flip situations early on when the risk/reward isn't the same as it is later on, tourney's are all about survival. Marathon, not a sprint!
Learner OfTruth - He said early, but really he meant in the middle stages. Basically if you only play small pots and avoid every all-in pot until the end of the tournament, you will never go into the final table as chip leader, you are just going to get blinded / ante'd down to 10BB then you will be forced to survive several all ins to have a playable stack and you will need a huge amount of luck to win every flip. Whereas if you take some calculated risks and pick off the desperate short stacks who will be shoving in the middle stages you can build a decent stack and make some steals against tight players who are just looking to survive. Don't just blindly steal the blinds. You need to pick your spots and be aware of who you're playing. Steal from the tight & short stack players, avoid the big stacks and either re-pop or fold to the loose stealing players depending on the situation.
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It's actually really great and it's put together in a nice and organized format. So, my answer would be both advanced and formulaic.
Great video with information I needed to absorb
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You don't mention ICM and I don't think you do in your MTT guide either, and it's pretty much the reason why you can pick on certain players and force them into making big laydowns in the late stages. Often times it's -$EV to call in a +cEV spot etc.. I'm obviously assuming you're familiar with this; just thought you might want to mention it in a later video or something.
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I play the micros quite a lot on Stars. Re-stealing is viable. You just have to choose who you do it to.
Hey bud thx for the video its so funny i just busted out of a tournament in tenth place it was a 2r1a blinds are 25k/50k and average stack is about 350k i had 369k utg withKQ i intsa jam all in and im sure this is the right play ended up bubbling FT but hey i win the flip vs tens i got over 700k chips with a much better chance to win the tournament what do u think was it a bad play?
never read phil gordons book is it advanced or just basic holdem information an plays for tourneys.
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your ideas and goal setting is a breathe of fresh air :) thanks and keep em coming, if i get more stuck or bad beats ill write u a msg to help me fine tune my game :)
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Hey I really love your videos! I got a questions: How should I review my session? Calculate some Hands, use some special Filters? I only look at my Hands where I lost the most und won the most...
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I used to be so good and now it seems like I’m losing at least 500,000 chips every session. You got the try hard bluffers that go all in on before the flop. Then you got the people that bet high and when you give in, they get the card they need AFTER they already bet. Seems like I always get 2 and 7s every hand. And sometimes when I’m smart and fold (on low cards) I would’ve had a 3 of a kind on the flop. And when I get actual good cards they always go to waste either bc someone bets big time before the flop or just bc it ends up standing as a high card. My winnings used to average over 500k and now average at 30k, and I lose about 20k a hand bc of the ante, all while only winning 1 in 15 hands bc it’s always nonstop shitty cards 🤬🤬.
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Evan you should make videos of you playing in mtts, to prepare for the WSOP
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3:00 Yes its important to be aggressive. Put your foot on the gas from the time of regging? What about switching gears? I have always thought that being patient early in live tourneys is almost always best. You build a tight image. So, if you go card dead in the mid/late levels, atleast you have a tight image to 3-bet shove your 15-20bb stack. Depending on your opponent/'s stack, getting a fold is more likely.Look for good situations, like jamming against tight players limping or stling frm btn.
this is really true, there is a saying "you cant win the tournament in the first minutes, but you can loose in the first minutes". play tight in the first blinds, since there is no point to risk 3 blinds bet, to win 1,5 blinds. when the blinds start to get bigger, them run over everyone with agression, its when their stack is small that they have more fear
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There's a lot to say about tournament-
Just about card dead times. Don't play tighter! It is exactly the wrong thing to do when you are deep in the tournament. Be willing to limp if the table lets you limp. Raise like you hold the nuts as opposed to shoving but play it as SUCH (if no one shows strength). If people paid attention to you then they will believe the story you tell even if you have a shorter stack. Why would a short stack bluff a pot? Works for me. Cards to play any connectors/ guts
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I play a hyper LAg style and when i get AAs even if im in the big blind everyone more often than not has nothing. I just folded AAs to a turn raise heads up in a live MTT at casino on the turn i tabled AAs he tabled a flush.
Thanks soo much , Evan.I always feel a little more prepared to dominate the table ..after watching these helpfull videos.You Rock dude..
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Just want to make it clearer->
By taking early flips you risk getting more chips which opens up your hand range by a huge factor early game which in turn allows you to go much further on the board against other players that in turn will give you far more chips by bluffing or winning outright.
Late game the flip is a choice of last resort or best resort. You don't want it as your last way out, you want it as a choice.
Again it's maximize your arsenal, pick the best weapon for the job.
7BB, KQ = premium. There would have to be some EXTREME factors for me to think otherwise
Insom fear is a big obstacle you have to overcome. If you are too scared to take risks then you'll only ever min cash in tournaments. Fold equity in games is MUCH more important than what you hold. You want the big money? Be willing to call all ins when you hold AQ or AK etc. When your chip stack is so low that all the table will call your all in-> you have failed to chip up early game
your comments are on fire bro!
However my biggest leaks are that i suffer from FPS symdrome. EG, yesterday i tried check raise bluffing the river against what i thought was a good player who called me with top pair for AK even though my line was perfectly indicative of a flush or a straight. It tilts the fuck out of me when i make a really good bluff i know exactly what my opponent has and he still calls.
in this shortstack push/fold state it is important to abandon call small to see flop or small ball stabs. mostly you are just wasting chips. i also find it better to fold 77 with 10 BB if there was a bet infront of me, i rather push hand like 86 1st. when reraising already open pot you will get called and then you are really flipping. however - it is ok to shove with 77 if there was bet and call since it is more likely they will have common high cards thus blocking each other. tripple 4 the win
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To chip up with bad cards.... stop playing your cards.... play theirs. Be aggressive & use bets as questions to determine if they have anything.... a good indication is when they fold.....different size bets & whether they are called or raised will give you different indidctors on your opponents position in the hand... attack any insecurity.
+LucVNO a good attack plan being make a 1/4 pot sized bet at the flop to see if you opponent will reraise... if they dont, but only call, turn bet should be high, 85% of pot... if they call again, stop & fold that shit!!! But they shouldnt call, not if they didnt reraise a 1/4 pot bet at the flop
+LucVNO This is solid advice man, I like the way you think about the game : )
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+LucVNO Except paying to find out what they are holding is just that... paying for information. If you bet the flop and they call... what do you do? Bet more on the turn to see if they really have it? I feel like the whole "bet for information" thing is only valid when you actually aren't risking much...
There's always the off chance you bet for info and they are feeding you wrong information intentionally... like a rag flop comes out with maybe a draw... you bet, they call. You think maybe they are chasing or just have A high or something... You bet more on a nothing turn. They call. River comes and the draw didn't hit... now what do you do? Fire a big bet? Check back? You just wasted chips trying to get information from them and all you got was maybe they are on a draw and maybe they have something. So maybe they bet big and take the hand from you, or you bet big and they shove all in and now you're screwed... and you either fold and lose or call and see they had a pocket pair and flopped a set.
I guess you were just being nice. This is fucking terrible donkey advice. "Bet to find out where you're at." lol.
I suffered from this this week try and play tight and raise only good hands got myself up to 30th didn’t get a decent hand and missed when I did get one. In the end lost a flip when I was ahead on the flop. My steals never work out i usually always get called and my c bets either get called or re raised I probably rely to much on flips. Played for about 3-4 hours the best starting hand I got was jacks. Got a-k once or twice lost my aq to a runner runner straight
sometimes the cards just aren't there, at least you gave yourself a chance to win by finding a 50/50 spot!
@@gripsed been watching more of your videos trying to open more in position about 2-3x never seem to pull it off either 3 bet by bb or shoved am i not betting enough to easy to read or just have bad timing i usually play too tight but whenever i try to bluff or play a little loose i'm punished
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This video is worth watching more than once.
How do u avoid a bad poker that calls all the time and he ends up winning
Fold until you have a monster... understand he doesn’t understand what he has so bluffing doesn’t work
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What is MTT poker ?
Multi Table Tournament
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In longer format competitions (blinds raising every 20-30 minutes) I find you have swings in card quality as long as you played like a NIT/TAG earlier on when the cards were coming out and chipped up.
Turbos though (10-15 minutes), sure, go nuts, just make sure you go nuts when I have it ;)
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Hello everyone, can somebody pls tell me how or when to stop playing after playing 5 hrs and upward. Sometimes i just don't know when to stop playing specially when i'm winning. Recently I was up 2600 in cash playing holdem with a capital of just 300 and I ended loosing it all after playing for 11 hrs. I know on that situation my only move is to get the hell out of that game but I always find excuses on my head to stay. If anyone can give me advice it wll be greatly appreciated.
Eleuterio Medina The easiest way is just to set a time limit or an alarm before you start a session. and once that time limit is up regardless of whether you are up or down you leave.. Granted it take disciciple and you will often end up leaving when you are down.. but there is nothing wrong with record a loss one in a while.. The problem is that some people feel the need to be up every session they play even if its only slightly up
What I usually do is play until I'm big stacked, and eventually leave and join a different table (so I keep some of my winnings). I basically start trying to build up a stack from the start again every time I tripple up or more. In your case I would have probably quit at 1500$ or so.
***** OK maybe rules are different in Australia but you cant do that in Australian casinos.. if you leave the table you cant come back for an hour.
This is to stop people from reducing there stakes every time they win a hand.
+Eleuterio Medina When I have been playing for a lot of hours I ask myself.. if someone takes a stack of chips from me am I willing to grind for hours to get it back. If the answer is no then its time to leave. Because It is a guarantee that if you play long enough no matter how good u are running someone is gonna get a piece of your stack. Thinking that I should leave and then losing a big hand can mess with you mentally because you will think. damn.. if only I would have left. This can cause you to make mistakes because of frustration. Leave when you are no longer willing to battle it out.
I was a casino croupier for many years and the best advice that I ever heard and which I now apply to playing poker is to realise that at some point, you have to walk away while you are winning. If you don't you will only ever walk away when you are losing... so really think about that. I have seen so many gambler's put it all back in because they have this idea that if they are winning they can't walk away... cause they are winning.... but that is exactly what you must do. If your running hot go with the flow but when you start to lose a bit ... walk away and accept that you will lose back a little and then walk away.... also knowing your own stamina make a time limit rule and follow it. Make rules for yourself and follow them. Good luck!
did you sell your lamplight from seeling?
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I never think TPTK is good enough to play for over 150bbs unless your opponent is a certified maniac.
It should also be noted that even if people have never even heard the term ICM before, they still are essentially "ICM-aware" meaning they aren't looking to take marginal +cEV spots if it means getting nothing or significantly a less a decent percentage of the time. It's crucial to exploit the fuck out of these players.
Even, and my fellow you tubers,
I play small $50-$250 tourneys in LA and Vegas. I find that at most tables it is hard to get away with the raises preflop until the 3nd to 4th round of antes. During thee first two rounds of antes I find I have better luck C betting, donk betting and check raising flops to steal. Any thoughts.
why wouldn't you raise preflop? question doesnt make sense
I still raise the first few rounds of antes, I was just commenting that there is almost zero fold equity pre flop during the first few rounds of antes in the tournaments I play. I mention it, because Evans material suggests raising suited connectors once antes start.
stop playing those tournaments the rake is way to high to profit. online the rake is like 1/10 of what it is live and totally doable but live you gotta play higher for it to be worth the rake. same thing with cash games low limit cash 100 dollar buy in 20 dollar buy in etc the pot literally dissapears because of rake
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I won 4 coin flips in a row on a final table. Worst to first. It was better than sex.
Sounds like the Joe Cada story
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@@jericobiermann1504 True that!
So take risks and hope your luck holds,easy peasy
You just have to think what your opponent's calling range in that spot is... even if you sell a believable story but your opponent is a donk who can't let go of his pre-flop monster (in this case AK although another typical spot is kings not letting go of the hand with an Ace in your range on the board) then you should maybe avoid making that play. But yes I can understand why that would be tilting; and if it's early on in a tournament with no info on the player then you didn't do much wrong.
Yep,Evan,you best keep your ass on line because in live action casino style I would truly clean your plow.That was a joke.More seriously thank you for the valuable insights.
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watching this after bubbling 82/567 an 11 dollar satellite with 4 bucks in my account ..81 paid 22.50 lolll blinded out suckout aj
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THANK YOU for this video, Evan. =D
Recommend building the stack early, so you can take advantage of lower to middle stack players as the bubble approaches. Everyone play's tighter when the bubble is near. But be aware! When the money is reached, there will be several minutes of gongshow flips, so this is a good time to sit back and watch, unless you can get in with a monter!
Btw, I'm 17, turing 18 in less than a month, so look out for me at the tables!
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Here's my problem. What happens when you get no cards, and you get played back at during every steal attempt? What then? I know some players are more likely to try and resteal but sometimes people just wake up with a hand on your steal attempt. You're saying play suited ace or 77 and up... what if you just keep getting J2o, 72o, 105o, 93o... etc? What then? I sat there getting hands like this for half an hour, and every time I even got a hand that I thought I could steal with, some guy would raise huge in front of me and I'd have to lay my hand down because I just couldn't shove on him with my low-medium holding.
What happens to me is I get this bad run of cards until I'm too low to do much else but wait for something I can feel confident with... I get like A6 suited and shove my small stack, and some huge chip stack guy makes an insta call with AQ or something and I go busto.
At what point is a stack so small that you just shove it with anything in hope to steal? 10BB? 8BB? More? Less? Thanks in advance for any help!
Most authors going back to the Harrington books would say around that 10 big blind range is where you need to take your shot, otherwise you have to get lucky twice to get back in play. If I had to take a shot with rags at a table that most people are not getting an original raise through, I would try a three bet real light if all I was getting are rags.
+Konidias at some point, while you're in late position and prior to just 10 BBs left, you need to ignore what cards you have and play the dam hand as if you have KK or AA. Simple as that. Put fear into the other players and use that late position to your advantage to re-raise or 3bet or 4bet pre-flop. Play their cards, not yours when you're at the do or die moment .......at like 15 BBs or even 20.
+Kimock7 All I'm saying is that it's pretty common knowledge to start playing aggressive when a person is near 10 BB or less, so you really aren't fooling anyone... and if some guy is at the table with like 50-60 BB, he might call your bluff on the off chance he's holding anything remotely decent.
It's hard to put fear in people when playing online poker... You get people calling half their stack on a whim.
+Konidias ........absolutely correct, so even more important to do it way before 10 bb's because Mr. Superstack next to you has 60BBs. My comments are strictly for LIVE play. Online is a calling machine as you know.
I think in most situations if you are over 20-25 biggs, you should not be looking to only play a shove or 3 bet shove strategy. You have a playable stack, and have more than an average stack in the middle to later rounds.
Thanks Evan.
my favorite point was about sticking to the guy that's fucking around too much. i love jamming those guys.
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The big $55 actually. Sharkscope said he had good results but what i now know is he must of luckboxed a lot of it
Let me guess, it was a donkament?
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Awareness and position to steal, DO IT!
he looks like drew breese alottle bit
tyler joyner lmao
Great!!
the chance of winning four 70/30 chances is about 24%
That's why i think most MTT players are inferior to cash game players. They don't think about ranges they only really think about their own 2 cards. How can TPTK ever be good enough to play for 150bbs against a strong player in a spot where he can never be bluffing?
The one dislike is Phil Hellmuth.
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Are you wearing blusher?
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Why are you wearing blush and eye shadow
Nothing wrong with that play. You took a risk and got unlucky. The rest of the time you'll win.
You look like Eugene Katchalov
All these so called poker training videos are so contradictory. Girst they say play good hands and wait for your spot then they say you gotta take risk with bad hands.
I felt the same way. But I believe you have to play the combination of both ways. It’s like driving a stick shift car. Change gears when the opportunity presents itself.
Ha ha. I worked that out while I was watching too. :-)
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Good info, though i usually get the impression that your vid's could be at least
30-50% shorter.
+tubewatcher38 I agree, I'm going to try to keep them to about 10 minutes in the future. Learning as I go, thank you for the insights!
Just bump up the playing speed to 1.1, 1.2 or 1.3
Dude looks like a 48 year old teenage boy.
buy proper mic please !!!!!
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i really cant subscribe like that....really man. this fucking audio sound fucking gets on my nerves.
Emishmusic oh shut up you tart and play your geetarrr no where near me
good lord, buy a new camera with a better microphone already, it´s unbearable!...
My ears need healing...