@@SamsTrains if you're interested in extremely large steam logos you better head out to Cheyenne Wyoming the home of the Union Pacific 4014. The largest and strongest steam locomotive that runs underneath its own power to this very day.
Hey Mr. Pikachu, I bet you know that the language was not Chinese and was actually Japanese was because some of the letters looked like smiley faces witch is normally in Japanese. So, yeah.
@@moberg3113Katakana (the text is written in this script) is pretty distinct from Mandarin (Chinese) or even Kanji (another Japanese script). If you went down a language rabbithole once or twice you could recognize Katakana pretty easily.
@@moberg3113Katakana (the text is written in this script) is pretty distinct from Mandarin (Chinese) or even Kanji (another Japanese script). If you went down a language rabbithole once or twice you could recognize Katakana pretty easily.
@@gs425 Mabuchi was and maybe still is a Japanese company. Originally made all their motors in Japan. Became the best motor to have in the 1/24 th scale slot car boom of the mid 1960s. Motors like the FT 16D, 36D and 26D. Set up factories in Hong Kong by the seventies to reduce costs. Many imatatores of Mabuchi motors.
@@johnd8892 you are partially correct, the company was originally Japanese but the motors are made mainly in China, with other factories in Vietnam, Taiwan and more recently Mexico. They hold their cards close to their chest somewhat, but i was applications engineer for Mabuchi motors for over a decade from early 90s and never saw a Japanese unit in all that time. All China with some types Taiwan.
"This is not a good idea." Translation: "Sam needs to try it." It's like that Farquaad quote from Shrek. Some of these engines may die in these experiments, but it is a sacrifice Sam is willing to make 😃
As others have said, it's in Japanese, Katakana to be exact since it's for foreign words: グレードアップパーツシリーズ reads "Upgrade parts series" トルクチューンモーター reads "Torque tune motor"
I know this video is around a year old at this point, but if Sam just happens to read this, there are motors about that size made to upgrade flywheel foam dart blasters, which not only are fast, but there are ones that are made for 3S LiPo mods, which means they'll comfortably operate at about 12.6 volts. The question is if your controllers, track, and wiring can supply something like an Out Of Darts Kraken with the current it needs safely...
I like this more than any other experiment you've done so far. It's safe and a lot more enjoyable. Keep running Smokey Joe, I've got you in my own collection. He's very cute, but not as cute as my pair of ghostly grey Peckett Engine Twins, Spookie and Spunky. Glad you enjoyed my Day Out With Thomas video, yesterday. You can copy it on to your channel if you like, and share it with your TH-cam friends. Let's face it, if there's one thing we both agree on, it's this: Thomas, we love you.
Those Tamiya torque tuned motors are tuned to accelerate very quickly to a high speed. They are mostly for RC cars I think as tamiya are known for model kits and RC. I used to use one of their race tuned motors in a 1/10th scale touring car. Also they are Japanese
Ahh very interesting - well the loco certainly did accelerate... though the load here will have been tiny compared with a car I guess! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
the small torque motor is for the mini4wd small wall racers (1/32 scale race cars) based on their rc buggies as tiny cars you drop into walled race tracks
I'm sorry for this comment, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I feel as if should point this out. The writing and Tamiya by extension is Japanese. The unusual writing you see below the "torque tuned motor" label is most likely Katakana. A specific type of alphabet used for foreign words in Japan. And below that is Kanji which is a writing system taken from the Chinese. Again sorry for the comment, I just feel as if I should point it out. Slight side note, I enjoy seeing modified stuff like this so, good show.
1:35 That's actually Japanese writing. All it says is "Grade up parts series Torque Tuned Motor" Under your finger in orange it says Three, two, four" and I can't make out the last one.
Sam, ask Gaugemaster for a suitable NSR highest performance slot car motor that would be a direct fit. The Shark 46 EVO is 46,000 rpm 290 gmcm at 12 volts version of the about 15 to 18,000 rpm standard Hornby motor. Hornby do not state the torque. Double shafted too, so can drive or end bell drive can be used.
I hope he does. What a prat Barrie is. Imagine getting so annoyed about what other people do with their own models. Gatekeeping at its finest and the reason people are hesitant to join the community- people like him make us look like a bunch of crotchety old men complaining about “kids these days”.
Who is this Barry Davis character? I've heard plenty about him, and seen him post comments on here before, but not actually any of these "rants" at Sam before.
@@highbrookendmodelrailway Hes another Model Railway TH-cam Channel. he had one video where he ranted about "the state of model railways today", and as part of it, he mocked Sam indirectly calling him "Pams Trains" and mocking his experiment videos.
thats not Chinese writing its japanese, Tamiya is a well respected brand of high performance, high quality RC car and other various model parts.. i often use these motors to upgrade and repair Tomy/trackmaster Trains, gives them a real Kick in the pants speed wise
Those tamiya motors are used in Mini 4WD cars. They are 1/32 scale cars that are designed to be raced around a track like scalextric cars. They are customizable because you can change the tyres, gears, chassis, bearings, rollers, and motors. They're very popular in asia but only in few parts of the world actually played with them. I think you should give this hobby a shot, it's really fun and it gets very competitive when you're racing against your friends. However it's getting really hard to find someone or somewhere that has the track for them, because the tracks needs a big space to play on and they're really expensive if you buy your own track, even if it's just a basic oval track.
The newer 0-4-0's from China have impeccable performance! The best slow crawlers I have are my newer 0-4-0's. They get such a bad wrap because they used to be pocket rockets
This, together with your mention of Scalextric, takes me back to the late 60s/early 70s when some friends and I used to combine our slot car layouts into a huge circuit (with boosters) at our youth club. We once built a Tamiya Scalextric Car around a three volt tape recorder rewind motor...It went like your loco! It also badly melted the "See through but painted on the inside" Tamiya body before and during it's final burnout! And yes I recall that smell! (The other good one was building an Airfix Vintage Fire engine kit, complete with seated firemen, around a similar kit car - that lasted even less time, but half the fun was in the anticipation anyway!)
When my sons were little they had an engine with a burned out motor. I replaced it with a 6 volt tape recorder motor. It was so fast that it was hard to keep it on the track. The kids loved it!
Epic video! It was going crazy fast 😆 Here’s one for future consideration, loop de loop and seeing if an over-powered train - maybe even super Smokey Joe - can make it!
Those Tamiya motors are of Japanese origin and used in their "Mini 4WD" cars, which are powered by 2x AA batteries. In the right application they can be exceptionally fast, but there's a huge range of options available from them on a spectrum between speed and torque.
Try placing a few section of tin under the track when using the five pole motor and see if the adhesion is better to make a better pulling power for this loco. While considering the connecting rods umping up and down, perhaps a narrowing of the slot in which the rods are lying at the cylinder will make it less likely to bounce...
I can just imagine myself in America going “oh hey there’s a train due through in a minute” and a minute later I see this thing pulling an express train at max speed. LOL
That Torque Tuned motor is not Chinese but Japanese. They're sold by Tamiya (though actually manifactured by Mabuchi Motors) for their Mini4wd cars, which are 1/32 scale cars used for racing in special tracks, a bit like Scalextric slot cars but with the cars running in trench-like tracks and using horizontal rollers to steer by leaning on the walls. Fun fact is, the Torque Tuned is perhaps one of the slowest motors available for mini4wds (12.000 rpm under load at three volts) as it is one of the oldest models designed - if you really wanted insane speed, you should've gone for one of the Dashes, not the Tuneds. In particular, either an Ultra Dash, Jet Dash or Plasma Dash. The latter not only has more than double the speed of the Torque Tuned (25.000 rpm!) and two times the torque, it actually has cut-outs in the casing for cooling... which kinda make sense as the thing actually draws a staggering FOUR amps. Even in unlimited classes the Plasma Dash never got any favor as two AA batteries are simply not enough to feed that beast, even with powerful rechargeable ones.
Sam should, ask Gaugemaster for a suitable NSR highest performance slot car motor that would be a direct fit. A proper slot car motor that won the world championship for NSR. The NSR Shark 46 EVO is 46,000 rpm 290 gmcm at 12 volts. Much higher than the Tamiya not designed for 12 volts and also draws less amps. Also much higher than the about 15 to 18,000 rpm standard Hornby motor. Double shafted too, so can drive or end bell drive can be used so makes it easier to fit.
@@johnd8892 Yeah, that would be a better fit. With 12 volts the Plasma would reach higher than that.. for just a few seconds before destroying itself in the process, while a slot car motor would be working at its proper voltage and so all tests would be possible. I'm not sure about NSR, but Slot.it does have motors in the 130 form factor as used by Smokey Joe in its catalogue so a slot car motor swap it is definitely possible.
You sir are a mad lad and it's absolutely beautiful. Because let's face it you are making inavations to the modal railway community that some may scuff at but, it's still good to see people trying stuff like this.
tamiya 13o engines were designed for miniature racing cars so if you want speed go akead in fact some motors like plasma dash and torque tuned are designed specificallly to be overvolted. for refrence the torque tuned motor series is specifically designed with power in mind while speed tuned are designed for well speed , finally dash motors are both
There is a slot In the cylinder to allow movement of the coupling rod. By gluing somthing at the rear wall of the cylinder (to reduce height of this slot) the anoying effect of magnet should be cancelled. The reduction of vertical play in slot should be short (1mm) because the rod must oscillate.
I also like to point out that this video is inspiring me to replace the motors in tyco/mantua locos to see if that not only improves their performance, but also opens up their cabs for customization.
I would've mounted the motor with the long shaft to the worm drive, and forced the wires to fit. Maybe you could use some tin foil or easter egg packaging or something folded down into the gap in the cylinder for the rods to provide a low-friction upper barrier for the rods so they don't bounce, using blu tack to fill the shape out and keep the foil in place.
The 3V motor with several diodes in series would drop the voltage to a more reasonable level. StrathPeffer sells a Ringfield upgrade kit that has a 6V motor and a set of diodes to drop the voltage :). Works quite well. I doubt those Chinese motors have any kind of torque tuning.
One solution for your magnetic problem, is to change the coupling rods by home-made ones made from a non-magnetic metal. Bronze comes in mind for me. Overall, nice experiment ! You reached a scale speed of 738 km/h at the maximum when the original does not run over a scale speed of 55 km/h. Cheers gentleman !
Don't know if anyone mentioned this but it would fairly easy to make up a couple aluminum or copper coupling rods. With your skills it would be a doddle...
it interesting how much of a change there is when you upgrade the motor (or just change the motor in the case of the torque tuned one). i have a 7 pole motor that i plan to put in an older locomotive that had a 5 pole motor (yes both are pitman motors). just need to figure out how to do a shaft extension since it appears the 7 pole shaft is just alittle to short.
Well, I've got two of these classic 0-4-0's, and as typical for older style model trains they zip right along, to my unending annoyance. If I slowed them down too much, they simply stalled on points and diamonds. Saw an ad for a replacement motor that sported a worm that was supposed to increase the gear ratio and slow it down. After prying off that wretched retention wire, and reinstalling, again a life-or-death struggle wresting the wire back on, discovered the difference to be absolutely nothing. An attempt was made to convert m/s to smph, and I probably used wrong conversion factors, but I got a rough idea. At 0.42 m/s Smoked Joe was at 36 smph. At 2.17 m/s, 423 smph. Keep trying, Sam, maybe you can reach Mach 1 in smph.
I have a new idea, the old Lima/Hornby HST's aren't dreadfully quick with the ringfield motor. I think a motor swap that fits around the new set up Hornby use in the upgraded old style Hornby HST model in the Railroad range is in need.
Calling Tamiya "Chinese" did make me twitch, I admit... But others have already given you a hard time about that! What is a bit weird is I have a Smokey Joe, which we've owned for a long, long time, with the same livery and it's really fast. As in, way too fast to be realistic. In-fact, it's probably comparable to your Torque-Tuned Joe. If I remember correctly, I think it has a Scalextric motor inside. It hasn't been messed with, because our Hornby "Monty" and "Loch Ness" were just as mad fast and I've had them from new.
Having a few of them I can say that every single one of them runs differently, some better than others. Having only four wheels it's the pick-up that lets them down, especially over frogs. 🐸 Oh, and none of them could pul the skin off a rice pudding...Cheers Sam!
I saw the past cab of the new 9f from hornby and I saw that the gear train is in the back wheels and I am getting the evening star are u getting one I would love to see you review it and how it looks when it gets to if you are getting one cuz I am
Great video as usual! Could you please share a link to the motor you used? I have an 0-4-0 chassis I'm refurbishing and this seems like a good swap to make.
Excellent. But I now have an image in my mind of a big pacific with a rake of coaches steaming around your layout doing sterling work but being continually lapped by a Smokey Jo whizzing past with a couple of open wagons behind it...
Well, that was fun. It's interesting to see what sort of scale speeds Smokey Joe reached with the torque-tuned motor installed... With the 3-pole motor, your speed of 0.42 m/s scales up to a speed of 71.4 mph (!). Could an 0-4-0 go that fast? But, put the Tamiya motor in, and the scale speeds go doolally: 1.2 m/s (50 % on the controller, IIRC) becomes 204 mph (!!), which is only surpassed in its insanity by the flat-out speed of 2.17 m/s or 369 mph (!!!) when scaled up. No wonder it came off any sort of curve! Regardless, I hope Smokey Joe is okay with its new motor. Don't know what you'd use for magnetic shielding, though.
It's been 3 year now. Have you installed the magnetic field shields yet ? . . . Magnetic field location (Front/Back) probably is less interferrence on conn rod rotation in reverse (Up/Down) than foreward. . .
8:44 sam remember these words "growing old is required, growing up is optional, as kids we can't wait to grow up but once we have we decide its more fun to act like a child again"
Can you make a updated video regarding the best Train sets and Packs for beginners? I want to Get into the hobby but i am not quite sure where to start, cheers from norway
Nice experiment Sam, though I think you answered your own question to why Hornby don't fit those 5 pole motors with the magnet problem. Tamiya on the other hand is a big Japanese model manufacturer and are well known for their motors, I believe they are supplied by Mabuchi another Japanese company and motor specialist I have three Tamiya radio controlled cars and yes they do shift some what though mine are probably still classed as slow against the professional racing models.
I think a weird engine by design is the John bull. It has no cab and the front so the fireman and the driver are can be seen working very clearly and the engine looks like it's done besides its lack of a Cab on the engine itself. If you ever get a model of it or look up the John Bull engine you will be surprised by the design like I was. Because I think the Tender acts as the engines Cab as well.
If 5 poles are so inexpensive now, i will consider replacing the motor in my Bachmann Thomas. The motor started smelling and thomas wasn't smooth at all. Lubrication didn't help much. At this moment, Thomas is the closest thing to a working steam loco I have, and he barely runs now
I have the Caledonian Railway variant and its insane, no slow mode and just goes from zero to insane speed on pretty low settings and high settings it will hit a curve and just flip off the track O.o Pulls like a champ too, can put some serious weight on the end and this is where the problems begin because it pulls bogie stock off the track most times, luckily I have the Triang controller with the two modes and high stance slows it down. Won it on ebay listed as brand new for £12 delivered and seems to have a 2019 tag on it so maybe this has an upgraded motor in there?
The adventure begins was a great movie. 1) get a Bachmann black James. 2) do a motor transfer from Smokey joe to James. 3) buy the same motor you just put in James, and put it into Thomas 4)put Thomas and Edward on the track in the station area. 5) put James and a bunch of trucks, and a brake van on the track. 6) couple the trucks to the back of James. 7) couple the break van to the back of James. 8) start recording Thomas and Edward in the yard 9) start James up at 50% power, in making him go past Thomas and Edward 10)make Thomas Chase James a few laps around the layout 11) just before a turn, make James move at 100% power, derailing himself. 12) now you have a remake of that one scene from TAB. Upload it yo youtube!
Nice. I've got three of these to mess about with. One of which was a Hornby Collectors club loco that I picked up second hand for £15 andhas apparently never been run. Might have to have a look at different motors and see what works. That magnet was pretty strong though wasn't it...
How about an experiment to see how quickly you can get a locomotive to complete a lap around your layout? I’m thinking torque-tuned Smokey Joe (or maybe one of those cheap and nasty Ali Express engines where you don’t have to worry about scratching the paint), flat-out on the straights, but slow enough to make it around the curves without derailing, testing your skills on the controller as well as the engine’s speed and stability.
To stop the connecting rod rising, could you insert a strip of styrene or something between the piston and body using a tacky (non-permanent) adhesive like Micro Liquitape?
Put tangerine on motor position and nei... will give it more torque if u add 5 tangerine it will raise watts for more torque but motor will get hot for pulling more weight
Interesting experiment but the magnetic attraction to the connecting rods combined with the modified shaft length to the worm is definitely what's compromising slow speed running. Pity really 'cos the idea was a good one. I can't really see any way around the magnetism problem so you may need to try a different motor in the end.
Abin here. Sorry I forgot to send comments to your previous videos, I was just too exited to see them. I don't know how you do these crazy engineering stuff. I also look for models, but sadly when I try to calculate them to rupees from pounds they become so costly that it is impossible for us to buy them. I am more like your El Cheapo. Though I am very happy to see your models. I have seen room tour video and I caught glimpse of more track. Why don't you lay even more track? So that you can run more trains at once. Do reply.
The original Smokey Joe had a 1/76th Scale Rolls-Royce Olympus Engine with afterburner with a scale top speed of 1500 mph - consequently it didn't corner well and Hornby nearly went bankrupt replacing windows after it went supersonic and the boom hit...
Hey Sam - My 'Smokey Joe' (original non centenary version) has died 🙁 - I think some thing has gone wrong with the Motor - but now you have given me an idea - I may get new 5 pole motor put in & hopefully - that should sort it!!! Thank you 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Jealous of you guys, on this side of the pond we don't have anything budget that's near as good as those little 0-4-0s. Love these wacky experiments Sam👌
you should have fitted it with a 5-pole 180 motor 180 is a 130(the torque tuned motor you used) but slightly longer and twice a powerful (also they are much cheaper than hornby 5 pole) i run all my trains on 180 7-pole (these are custom made from the manufacturer i got the trains from ) or big coreless motors
Another insane experiment. Faster smokey Joe?!?!?! Great video. You can't go wrong with a Hornby 040. My GWR 040 goes over 1m/s normal motor! That 1st derailment XD
Called it on that one stream, I knew it! I've modded one myself too, great fun because now you can break the speed of sound on scale miles. Although most controllers wont like it because to motor draws more than one amp so they think its a short. Other than that great fun! would recommend!
"no smoke without fire"......smokey shoots of down the line at impressive speed.....;-)...with slowmo flip over.....bit like nascar or american football.....my brother would love you..... you know..the one who used to wreck my trains of my brandnew märklin H0 layout almost 60 years ago.... ;-)
How can you be apart of the Hobby Community and not know of Tamiya 😂. It’s almost in every model shop around the world and probably has Been for nearly 40years . Love your channel and so does all my family 👍👍
You really can't go a week without doing something absolutely barmy and you know what, I've got mad respect for you
haha thanks so much - hope you enjoy it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains technically Sam the writing is in Japanese. And I can sort of read Japanese as well.
@@SamsTrains if you're interested in extremely large steam logos you better head out to Cheyenne Wyoming the home of the Union Pacific 4014. The largest and strongest steam locomotive that runs underneath its own power to this very day.
What a waste of time and money.
@@grahamrawlings7327 the reason why Sam did it is because it's a limited edition engine.
Dude, it's not a Chinese motor. It is a Japanese one, a really good brand even. Wanted a review on that motor, can see it just takes off! Thanks man.
haha you're right - thanks for letting me know, my bad! I know - maybe I could do more with that motor!?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Specifically it's for Tamiya's Mini 4WD line of racing cars. It's meant to be powered by two AA batteries.
Hey Mr. Pikachu, I bet you know that the language was not Chinese and was actually Japanese was because some of the letters looked like smiley faces witch is normally in Japanese. So, yeah.
@@moberg3113Katakana (the text is written in this script) is pretty distinct from Mandarin (Chinese) or even Kanji (another Japanese script). If you went down a language rabbithole once or twice you could recognize Katakana pretty easily.
@@moberg3113Katakana (the text is written in this script) is pretty distinct from Mandarin (Chinese) or even Kanji (another Japanese script). If you went down a language rabbithole once or twice you could recognize Katakana pretty easily.
Sam that's Japanese, Tamiya is a Japanese World wide hobby company, Great video though
Although of course it's a Chinese Mabuchi motor. The biggest motor manufacturer in the world by a long shot
@@gs425 Mabuchi was and maybe still is a Japanese company. Originally made all their motors in Japan. Became the best motor to have in the 1/24 th scale slot car boom of the mid 1960s. Motors like the FT 16D, 36D and 26D. Set up factories in Hong Kong by the seventies to reduce costs. Many imatatores of Mabuchi motors.
@@johnd8892 you are partially correct, the company was originally Japanese but the motors are made mainly in China, with other factories in Vietnam, Taiwan and more recently Mexico. They hold their cards close to their chest somewhat, but i was applications engineer for Mabuchi motors for over a decade from early 90s and never saw a Japanese unit in all that time. All China with some types Taiwan.
Duly noted! This came from Taipei, if that helps any?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@gs425 still the writings are Japanese because Tamiya is Japanese :P
"This is not a good idea."
Translation: "Sam needs to try it."
It's like that Farquaad quote from Shrek. Some of these engines may die in these experiments, but it is a sacrifice Sam is willing to make 😃
haha exactly! A favourite quote of mine! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
When I pull triang trucks with smokey Joe wheelslip happen
As others have said, it's in Japanese, Katakana to be exact since it's for foreign words:
グレードアップパーツシリーズ reads "Upgrade parts series"
トルクチューンモーター reads "Torque tune motor"
Thanks very much for the translation - that's great! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
"Tonight on bottom gear, we make a tank engine go supersonic speeds"
haha!! xD
And it's a 0-4-0
Mallard the fastest steam locomotive.
Smokey Joe: "Hold my beer"
Back to the future part 3 but scuffed.
Yes
Smokey Joe: hold my motor
haha yep - never mind Mallard now! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Lamp Oil probably the hot glue melted so Smokey Joe is broken
I swear if the creator of the OG engine saw this he would have a fit
The good kind of fit mind you as this is cool
haha you could be right!! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
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I know this video is around a year old at this point, but if Sam just happens to read this, there are motors about that size made to upgrade flywheel foam dart blasters, which not only are fast, but there are ones that are made for 3S LiPo mods, which means they'll comfortably operate at about 12.6 volts. The question is if your controllers, track, and wiring can supply something like an Out Of Darts Kraken with the current it needs safely...
For anyone who is curious 2.17 meters/second works out to a OO scale speed of 369.89 mph.
I like this more than any other experiment you've done so far. It's safe and a lot more enjoyable. Keep running Smokey Joe, I've got you in my own collection. He's very cute, but not as cute as my pair of ghostly grey Peckett Engine Twins, Spookie and Spunky. Glad you enjoyed my Day Out With Thomas video, yesterday. You can copy it on to your channel if you like, and share it with your TH-cam friends. Let's face it, if there's one thing we both agree on, it's this:
Thomas, we love you.
That's very good news Kelly - yes it was pretty safe! haha that's true, maybe the Pecketts are cuter!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This should be part of a series called "Pimp my Smokey Joe" lol
haha exactly - wouldn't that be something! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Can you fit cat tyres, air suspension and a big subwoofer in a steam loco?
Smoke my Pimpy Joe ...
Those Tamiya torque tuned motors are tuned to accelerate very quickly to a high speed. They are mostly for RC cars I think as tamiya are known for model kits and RC. I used to use one of their race tuned motors in a 1/10th scale touring car. Also they are Japanese
Ahh very interesting - well the loco certainly did accelerate... though the load here will have been tiny compared with a car I guess!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
the small torque motor is for the mini4wd small wall racers (1/32 scale race cars) based on their rc buggies as tiny cars you drop into walled race tracks
@@MirehManuh ah, nice. I used their larger ones
@@sgkingly8392 i race both, although the 1/32 scale mini4wd racers are more popular in south east asia
@@MirehManuh nice! 1/10th scale 4wd touring cars are the most popular in the UK
Hey Sam, I liked the derailment Smokey Joe had at 6:49. It looked like the locomotive did a flip. That was very impressive!
seems to be a scale speed of 370mph on the straight - quite impressive!
Sam, the resistor limits current. It protects the engine by reducing the power available for the motor. A resistor can help reduce R.F.I too.
I'm sorry for this comment, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I feel as if should point this out. The writing and Tamiya by extension is Japanese. The unusual writing you see below the "torque tuned motor" label is most likely Katakana. A specific type of alphabet used for foreign words in Japan. And below that is Kanji which is a writing system taken from the Chinese.
Again sorry for the comment, I just feel as if I should point it out.
Slight side note, I enjoy seeing modified stuff like this so, good show.
1:35 That's actually Japanese writing. All it says is
"Grade up parts series
Torque Tuned Motor"
Under your finger in orange it says Three, two, four" and I can't make out the last one.
Since Tamiya is a Japanese company the writing would be Japanese.
It's a bit of a fake-out. It's not 三二四駆 but ミニ四駆 - to cut a long story short: "Mini 4-wheel-drive".
@@Sammie_Sorrelly OK, that makes more sense. I was trying to figure out why they threw those "numbers" on there.
Thanks very much for sharing - it's awesome having this translated... I did wonder what it said!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, ask Gaugemaster for a suitable NSR highest performance slot car motor that would be a direct fit.
The Shark 46 EVO is 46,000 rpm 290 gmcm at 12 volts version of the about 15 to 18,000 rpm standard Hornby motor. Hornby do not state the torque. Double shafted too, so can drive or end bell drive can be used.
The great Barrie Davis has just spat his cocoa out seeing you do this Sam!
haha I hope so - maybe he'll post another offensive rant for me to record? ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I hope he does. What a prat Barrie is. Imagine getting so annoyed about what other people do with their own models. Gatekeeping at its finest and the reason people are hesitant to join the community- people like him make us look like a bunch of crotchety old men complaining about “kids these days”.
Who is this Barry Davis character?
I've heard plenty about him, and seen him post comments on here before, but not actually any of these "rants" at Sam before.
@@harrytodhunter5078 He's a decent bloke to be honest and very kind with it,i think he just get's a bit carried away with it all at times.
@@highbrookendmodelrailway Hes another Model Railway TH-cam Channel. he had one video where he ranted about "the state of model railways today", and as part of it, he mocked Sam indirectly calling him "Pams Trains" and mocking his experiment videos.
Glad you tried my idea! ☺️
thats not Chinese writing its japanese, Tamiya is a well respected brand of high performance, high quality RC car and other various model parts.. i often use these motors to upgrade and repair Tomy/trackmaster Trains, gives them a real Kick in the pants speed wise
Those tamiya motors are used in Mini 4WD cars. They are 1/32 scale cars that are designed to be raced around a track like scalextric cars. They are customizable because you can change the tyres, gears, chassis, bearings, rollers, and motors. They're very popular in asia but only in few parts of the world actually played with them. I think you should give this hobby a shot, it's really fun and it gets very competitive when you're racing against your friends.
However it's getting really hard to find someone or somewhere that has the track for them, because the tracks needs a big space to play on and they're really expensive if you buy your own track, even if it's just a basic oval track.
The newer 0-4-0's from China have impeccable performance! The best slow crawlers I have are my newer 0-4-0's.
They get such a bad wrap because they used to be pocket rockets
This, together with your mention of Scalextric, takes me back to the late 60s/early 70s when some friends and I used to combine our slot car layouts into a huge circuit (with boosters) at our youth club. We once built a Tamiya Scalextric Car around a three volt tape recorder rewind motor...It went like your loco! It also badly melted the "See through but painted on the inside" Tamiya body before and during it's final burnout! And yes I recall that smell! (The other good one was building an Airfix Vintage Fire engine kit, complete with seated firemen, around a similar kit car - that lasted even less time, but half the fun was in the anticipation anyway!)
When my sons were little they had an engine with a burned out motor. I replaced it with a 6 volt tape recorder motor. It was so fast that it was hard to keep it on the track. The kids loved it!
haha fantastic - it's great fun isn't it?? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Was that a handrail that broke off from Smokey Joe when it derailed at 6:50 ?
I saw that too!
Smokey Joe was my first ever train that I ever owned, got him nearly 17 years ago and I still have him today
Ahh amazing - must have some grand memories of him! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Smokey Joe literally smoked the top speed of any model loco, Fantastic video!
Epic video! It was going crazy fast 😆 Here’s one for future consideration, loop de loop and seeing if an over-powered train - maybe even super Smokey Joe - can make it!
haha thanks so much - that is one I've thought about, it sure would be exciting! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The waiter after saying "follow me to you're table": 8:14
Those Tamiya motors are of Japanese origin and used in their "Mini 4WD" cars, which are powered by 2x AA batteries. In the right application they can be exceptionally fast, but there's a huge range of options available from them on a spectrum between speed and torque.
Try placing a few section of tin under the track when using the five pole motor and see if the adhesion is better to make a better pulling power for this loco. While considering the connecting rods umping up and down, perhaps a narrowing of the slot in which the rods are lying at the cylinder will make it less likely to bounce...
😱 it is the Train Simulator Smoky Joe
Is he on Train Simulator?!?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yes
I can just imagine myself in America going “oh hey there’s a train due through in a minute” and a minute later I see this thing pulling an express train at max speed. LOL
haha wouldn't that be the day! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That Torque Tuned motor is not Chinese but Japanese. They're sold by Tamiya (though actually manifactured by Mabuchi Motors) for their Mini4wd cars, which are 1/32 scale cars used for racing in special tracks, a bit like Scalextric slot cars but with the cars running in trench-like tracks and using horizontal rollers to steer by leaning on the walls.
Fun fact is, the Torque Tuned is perhaps one of the slowest motors available for mini4wds (12.000 rpm under load at three volts) as it is one of the oldest models designed - if you really wanted insane speed, you should've gone for one of the Dashes, not the Tuneds. In particular, either an Ultra Dash, Jet Dash or Plasma Dash. The latter not only has more than double the speed of the Torque Tuned (25.000 rpm!) and two times the torque, it actually has cut-outs in the casing for cooling... which kinda make sense as the thing actually draws a staggering FOUR amps. Even in unlimited classes the Plasma Dash never got any favor as two AA batteries are simply not enough to feed that beast, even with powerful rechargeable ones.
Sam should, ask Gaugemaster for a suitable NSR highest performance slot car motor that would be a direct fit. A proper slot car motor that won the world championship for NSR.
The NSR Shark 46 EVO is 46,000 rpm 290 gmcm at 12 volts. Much higher than the Tamiya not designed for 12 volts and also draws less amps. Also much higher than the about 15 to 18,000 rpm standard Hornby motor. Double shafted too, so can drive or end bell drive can be used so makes it easier to fit.
@@johnd8892 Yeah, that would be a better fit. With 12 volts the Plasma would reach higher than that.. for just a few seconds before destroying itself in the process, while a slot car motor would be working at its proper voltage and so all tests would be possible. I'm not sure about NSR, but Slot.it does have motors in the 130 form factor as used by Smokey Joe in its catalogue so a slot car motor swap it is definitely possible.
6:52 don’t think we’ve ever heard you laugh that hard before 🤣
You sir are a mad lad and it's absolutely beautiful. Because let's face it you are making inavations to the modal railway community that some may scuff at but, it's still good to see people trying stuff like this.
haha thanks so much Micky.. glad you feel that way too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
tamiya 13o engines were designed for miniature racing cars so if you want speed go akead in fact some motors like plasma dash and torque tuned are designed specificallly to be overvolted.
for refrence the torque tuned motor series is specifically designed with power in mind while speed tuned are designed for well speed , finally dash motors are both
1:38 This is a motor made in Japan, not in China. Also, "ミニ４駆" means "mini 4WD", which is the famous Japanese model racing like slot-car.
Oh really it's Japanese?! I could swear the order came from China?!?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I double checked: yeah it came from Taipei!!
And I think you can buy more crazy motor made by same company "Plasma-Dush motor".
@@SamsTrains Yes this motor is made by Japanese popular model company "Tamiya".
It's smokey Joe, what do you expect
There is a slot In the cylinder to allow movement of the coupling rod. By gluing somthing at the rear wall of the cylinder (to reduce height of this slot) the anoying effect of magnet should be cancelled. The reduction of vertical play in slot should be short (1mm) because the rod must oscillate.
Sam , you are the best show for taking me away from my worries and watch you play with trains
That's lovely to hear my friend - do look after yourself!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I also like to point out that this video is inspiring me to replace the motors in tyco/mantua locos to see if that not only improves their performance, but also opens up their cabs for customization.
I would've mounted the motor with the long shaft to the worm drive, and forced the wires to fit. Maybe you could use some tin foil or easter egg packaging or something folded down into the gap in the cylinder for the rods to provide a low-friction upper barrier for the rods so they don't bounce, using blu tack to fill the shape out and keep the foil in place.
The 3V motor with several diodes in series would drop the voltage to a more reasonable level. StrathPeffer sells a Ringfield upgrade kit that has a 6V motor and a set of diodes to drop the voltage :). Works quite well.
I doubt those Chinese motors have any kind of torque tuning.
One solution for your magnetic problem, is to change the coupling rods by home-made ones made from a non-magnetic metal. Bronze comes in mind for me.
Overall, nice experiment ! You reached a scale speed of 738 km/h at the maximum when the original does not run over a scale speed of 55 km/h. Cheers gentleman !
Don't know if anyone mentioned this but it would fairly easy to make up a couple aluminum or copper coupling rods. With your skills it would be a doddle...
1:42 that writing is Japanese, not Chinese.
it interesting how much of a change there is when you upgrade the motor (or just change the motor in the case of the torque tuned one). i have a 7 pole motor that i plan to put in an older locomotive that had a 5 pole motor (yes both are pitman motors). just need to figure out how to do a shaft extension since it appears the 7 pole shaft is just alittle to short.
Well, I've got two of these classic 0-4-0's, and as typical for older style model trains they zip right along, to my unending annoyance. If I slowed them down too much, they simply stalled on points and diamonds. Saw an ad for a replacement motor that sported a worm that was supposed to increase the gear ratio and slow it down. After prying off that wretched retention wire, and reinstalling, again a life-or-death struggle wresting the wire back on, discovered the difference to be absolutely nothing.
An attempt was made to convert m/s to smph, and I probably used wrong conversion factors, but I got a rough idea. At 0.42 m/s Smoked Joe was at 36 smph. At 2.17 m/s, 423 smph. Keep trying, Sam, maybe you can reach Mach 1 in smph.
Mah boy Smokey Joe! I need to get one for whenever I start my own railway fleet.
I have a new idea, the old Lima/Hornby HST's aren't dreadfully quick with the ringfield motor. I think a motor swap that fits around the new set up Hornby use in the upgraded old style Hornby HST model in the Railroad range is in need.
Calling Tamiya "Chinese" did make me twitch, I admit... But others have already given you a hard time about that!
What is a bit weird is I have a Smokey Joe, which we've owned for a long, long time, with the same livery and it's really fast. As in, way too fast to be realistic. In-fact, it's probably comparable to your Torque-Tuned Joe. If I remember correctly, I think it has a Scalextric motor inside. It hasn't been messed with, because our Hornby "Monty" and "Loch Ness" were just as mad fast and I've had them from new.
Having a few of them I can say that every single one of them runs differently, some better than others. Having only four wheels it's the pick-up that lets them down, especially over frogs. 🐸 Oh, and none of them could pul the skin off a rice pudding...Cheers Sam!
I saw the past cab of the new 9f from hornby and I saw that the gear train is in the back wheels and I am getting the evening star are u getting one I would love to see you review it and how it looks when it gets to if you are getting one cuz I am
"It reminds me of my childhood... my original childhood, not the current one..." Gem.
Smokey Joe the curve master has finally return
Smokey Joe is so legendary. We've all had one. Like a United Dairies wagon!
Great video as usual!
Could you please share a link to the motor you used?
I have an 0-4-0 chassis I'm refurbishing and this seems like a good swap to make.
Excellent. But I now have an image in my mind of a big pacific with a rake of coaches steaming around your layout doing sterling work but being continually lapped by a Smokey Jo whizzing past with a couple of open wagons behind it...
Well, that was fun. It's interesting to see what sort of scale speeds Smokey Joe reached with the torque-tuned motor installed... With the 3-pole motor, your speed of 0.42 m/s scales up to a speed of 71.4 mph (!). Could an 0-4-0 go that fast? But, put the Tamiya motor in, and the scale speeds go doolally: 1.2 m/s (50 % on the controller, IIRC) becomes 204 mph (!!), which is only surpassed in its insanity by the flat-out speed of 2.17 m/s or 369 mph (!!!) when scaled up. No wonder it came off any sort of curve!
Regardless, I hope Smokey Joe is okay with its new motor. Don't know what you'd use for magnetic shielding, though.
It's been 3 year now. Have you installed the magnetic field shields yet ? . . . Magnetic field location (Front/Back) probably is less interferrence on conn rod rotation in reverse (Up/Down) than foreward. . .
I love these experiments! Keep up the amazing work Sam.
Thanks so much - glad you enjoyed it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
8:44 sam remember these words "growing old is required, growing up is optional, as kids we can't wait to grow up but once we have we decide its more fun to act like a child again"
Can you make a updated video regarding the best Train sets and Packs for beginners? I want to Get into the hobby but i am not quite sure where to start, cheers from norway
Great idea - that would be a good video to make!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That and the jet engine OMG that will be terribly insane
Yet again. Mind blown. You're the man Sam!!!
haha thanks so much mate! :D
Hey Sam!
It’s sad we don’t have that model in the US.
Nice experiment Sam, though I think you answered your own question to why Hornby don't fit those 5 pole motors with the magnet problem. Tamiya on the other hand is a big Japanese model manufacturer and are well known for their motors, I believe they are supplied by Mabuchi another Japanese company and motor specialist I have three Tamiya radio controlled cars and yes they do shift some what though mine are probably still classed as slow against the professional racing models.
I think the Tamiya motor is meant for an rc car or the Thomas and friend tomy/trackmaster toys
It was designed for a kind of slot car in Japan, but they do also fit into plarail/trackmaster trains.
@@christophergarland7936 yeah also some mini z rc car
I think a weird engine by design is the John bull. It has no cab and the front so the fireman and the driver are can be seen working very clearly and the engine looks like it's done besides its lack of a Cab on the engine itself. If you ever get a model of it or look up the John Bull engine you will be surprised by the design like I was. Because I think the Tender acts as the engines Cab as well.
You're right - that is a very weird design - got a video on those coming up soon! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
If 5 poles are so inexpensive now, i will consider replacing the motor in my Bachmann Thomas. The motor started smelling and thomas wasn't smooth at all. Lubrication didn't help much. At this moment, Thomas is the closest thing to a working steam loco I have, and he barely runs now
I have the Caledonian Railway variant and its insane, no slow mode and just goes from zero to insane speed on pretty low settings and high settings it will hit a curve and just flip off the track O.o Pulls like a champ too, can put some serious weight on the end and this is where the problems begin because it pulls bogie stock off the track most times, luckily I have the Triang controller with the two modes and high stance slows it down. Won it on ebay listed as brand new for £12 delivered and seems to have a 2019 tag on it so maybe this has an upgraded motor in there?
The adventure begins was a great movie.
1) get a Bachmann black James.
2) do a motor transfer from Smokey joe to James.
3) buy the same motor you just put in James, and put it into Thomas
4)put Thomas and Edward on the track in the station area.
5) put James and a bunch of trucks, and a brake van on the track.
6) couple the trucks to the back of James.
7) couple the break van to the back of James.
8) start recording Thomas and Edward in the yard
9) start James up at 50% power, in making him go past Thomas and Edward
10)make Thomas Chase James a few laps around the layout
11) just before a turn, make James move at 100% power, derailing himself.
12) now you have a remake of that one scene from TAB. Upload it yo youtube!
Nice. I've got three of these to mess about with. One of which was a Hornby Collectors club loco that I picked up second hand for £15 andhas apparently never been run. Might have to have a look at different motors and see what works. That magnet was pretty strong though wasn't it...
How about an experiment to see how quickly you can get a locomotive to complete a lap around your layout? I’m thinking torque-tuned Smokey Joe (or maybe one of those cheap and nasty Ali Express engines where you don’t have to worry about scratching the paint), flat-out on the straights, but slow enough to make it around the curves without derailing, testing your skills on the controller as well as the engine’s speed and stability.
To stop the connecting rod rising, could you insert a strip of styrene or something between the piston and body using a tacky (non-permanent) adhesive like Micro Liquitape?
Put tangerine on motor position and nei... will give it more torque if u add 5 tangerine it will raise watts for more torque but motor will get hot for pulling more weight
Interesting experiment but the magnetic attraction to the connecting rods combined with the modified shaft length to the worm is definitely what's compromising slow speed running. Pity really 'cos the idea was a good one. I can't really see any way around the magnetism problem so you may need to try a different motor in the end.
Hi Sam.
Where do you get your 5 pole motors from? Thanks
Why don't you fit it with the much taller gearing that the earlier versions of the 0-4-0 chassis used to have?
Abin here. Sorry I forgot to send comments to your previous videos, I was just too exited to see them. I don't know how you do these crazy engineering stuff. I also look for models, but sadly when I try to calculate them to rupees from pounds they become so costly that it is impossible for us to buy them. I am more like your El Cheapo. Though I am very happy to see your models. I have seen room tour video and I caught glimpse of more track. Why don't you lay even more track? So that you can run more trains at once. Do reply.
I don’t know any loco that could beat Smokey Joe with the faster motor, the closest Ioco I can think of is the Dapol N gauge m7 and that’s fast-Ben
haha is that one fast too?! We'll have to race them one day! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The original Smokey Joe had a 1/76th Scale Rolls-Royce Olympus Engine with afterburner with a scale top speed of 1500 mph - consequently it didn't corner well and Hornby nearly went bankrupt replacing windows after it went supersonic and the boom hit...
I’d be interested to see if you could get a brushless motor inside an engine.
I would be too - the ones I've seen are large with lots of circuitry though... but it can be done supposedly!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Always enjoy your videos. This was crazy kid fun. Loved it!
Hey Sam - My 'Smokey Joe' (original non centenary version) has died 🙁 - I think some thing has gone wrong with the Motor - but now you have given me an idea - I may get new 5 pole motor put in & hopefully - that should sort it!!! Thank you 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Hey! I've got a new steam loco. It only works properly in reverse but it does a billion miles per hour!
Jealous of you guys, on this side of the pond we don't have anything budget that's near as good as those little 0-4-0s. Love these wacky experiments Sam👌
Now that is incredible once again another great experiment. You should do that with the Bachmann Thomas lol
haha thanks Thomas - that would be very entertaining! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I really enjoyed this one Sam
Can you make a big tender engine like smoked joe
you should have fitted it with a 5-pole 180 motor
180 is a 130(the torque tuned motor you used) but slightly longer and twice a powerful (also they are much cheaper than hornby 5 pole)
i run all my trains on 180 7-pole (these are custom made from the manufacturer i got the trains from ) or big coreless motors
Another insane experiment. Faster smokey Joe?!?!?! Great video. You can't go wrong with a Hornby 040. My GWR 040 goes over 1m/s normal motor! That 1st derailment XD
haha thanks mate - yeah they're epic things aren't they... particularly the older ones!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Called it on that one stream, I knew it! I've modded one myself too, great fun because now you can break the speed of sound on scale miles. Although most controllers wont like it because to motor draws more than one amp so they think its a short. Other than that great fun! would recommend!
haha you did actually! Ooh awesome - how did your mods turn out?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Could you share a link to where u got the 5 pole motor from thanks 👍
Fun fact: when you play train simulator 2020 smokey can do wheelies
Ooh I'd love that so much - I need to buy him for TS! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Can confirm it does
"no smoke without fire"......smokey shoots of down the line at impressive speed.....;-)...with slowmo flip over.....bit like nascar or american football.....my brother would love you.....
you know..the one who used to wreck my trains of my brandnew märklin H0 layout almost 60 years ago.... ;-)
How can you be apart of the Hobby Community and not know of Tamiya 😂. It’s almost in every model shop around the world and probably has Been for nearly 40years . Love your channel and so does all my family 👍👍