I'd heard about the mirrors years ago but when I finally went on the ride last year I wasn't able to spot them and assumed I must have misread something. The fact that I still couldn't see them in this video until they were pointed out is testament to how impressive an illusion it is!
The Pepper's Ghost effect has been utilized quite a bit before Walt Disney started using it in attractions. The effect was actually used original in theater plays, dating back to the mid to late 1850s, and has since become one of the most famous effects to date. So, imagine the thrill and shock when theater goers were seeing "spirits" on stage, interacting with the performers.
Aw Jack this vid was kinda an emotional one ngl as the first ever vid of yours I saw that made me sub to your channel was you and Kieran at the park in 2016 and spending the whole day lingering round the Ghost Train shop speculating when it was gonna open. Watched every video since, cheers for the banging 7 years of content so far 😂🎉
I always give Derren browns ghost train and Thorpe Park a hard time, but Jesus Christ They really put everything into this ride. It’s a shame flopped the first time, but I’m excited to see where it goes. I have a feeling it will be much better.
This was a great overview, I can’t wait to see what they do with this, because the Darren brown train effect is truly iconic and I hope they can maintain that effect in some form with the new theme (probably with a different train, although that might be costly) As for your comment on Pepper’s ghost. It was originally invented in the 1860s as a Victorian novelty, However it was popularised as a method in theme parks by Walt Disneys imagineers such as Marc Davis when they implemented it into the Haunted mansion
Nice vlog! Pepper's Ghost pre-dates Disney by a long shot. It's actually an old theatrical trick created by from the 16th century and then used by Victorian magicians! Just goes to show, the old stuff can still be amazing
Hey man, I really do appreciate all of this insider stuff, it's great you're doing this with the park but at the same time if they're allowing you to show THIS much in this video it must be one hell of a refurb (I'm guessing this was shot a while back)
We had I believe the only behind the scenes tour ever in 2019 with TowersTimes. Probably the most impressive and interesting BTS tour I’ve ever done! Fab work Jack 🙌
Just a bit of info for you. The peppers ghost effect goes way back to the 1800's and is one of the oldest special efffects used in theatres. Cool video 😊.
Your best video. Easily. Hope we can see more updates & teasers like this because this was incredible! Do you think it will open in time for park opening?
Although Disney’s Haunted Mansion is perhaps the world’s foremost example of the Pepper’s Ghost illusion, the Imagineers at the time availed themselves of the theatrical trick that was made popular by John Henry Pepper in 1862 in Victorian theatre productions. It does not employ mirrors but capitalizes on the fact that a pane of glass (or other transparent media) can be used to reflect and superimpose an image onto another scene depending upon the proper application of lighting. I have never heard of, seen, or experienced Brown’s Ghost Train attraction but the use of mirrors for the floating Pullman car is inspired! I’ve always been interested in the how-to aspects of live theatre effects and magic and while they seem simple and almost comically obvious, as soon as you throw in some smoke and mirrors (literally!) one believes that magic is possible. Thanks for the B-T-S tour! Absolutely fascinating!
Have wanted to see this for ages. Several times at TP but not able to get tickets. Cannot get there for opening time of the park as it’s a three hour drive.
Brilliant video but I will say the comment regarding Pepper's ghost effect is wrong. It actually dates back from Victorian theatre back when there was an obsession on the occult and particularly staging the supernatural in which someone would refract light of a person to the stage from somewhere else (e.g. down in the pit underneath the stage) and it would look like a ghost had appeared. It has become more iconic since the Haunted Mansion but it is not from the Walt Disney company. Hope that helps
Man looks like an absolutely huge refurb. Excited to ride it. I predict it'll be open for summer 2023 but not at the start of the season. (I know this was filmed a couple of weeks back)
I hope they put in 4K TV screens in the trains where the windows are to make the action seem real on the outside of the train...the train interior should be stripped completely and have more dark spooky feel....be interesting to see what they do with the pre show and the tunnel parts tbh
I really appreciate this video very well done also a bit more Info about peppers ghost illusion it actually dates back much farther than Walt Disney as it was used in old theaters in stage shows that had ghostly characters apear in them
Interesting vid. Sorry to be a pedant but Pepper's Ghost doesn't use a mirror it's a sheet of glass. The audience looks through the glass, the projector projects on to it.
Do we know if they are keeping the London Underground theme or is that all changing aswell? Also, is the whole ride same layout staying a.k.a ride system or is it slightly changing? Like new element added a.k.a new sequence to make ride longer a bit? Or remaining the same length just without the VR Headsets? Also, are they turning the boarding section into platforms or leaving it as an abandoned train in a warehouse? Telling a similar story to old Derren Browns ride or a complete new storyline? By the way, good to see how ride system has been done and what type its been all this time. Reminds me same or similar system as Jaws ride? But with no arm above wheel car? But instead connected a slab to it, interesting. But yeah, good video, really enjoyed and looking forward to seeing what new ride looks like once opened. 😀👍
I LOOVE VR but I have to admit that VR feels like a cop out when it comes to thrill rides and attractions for many reasons. For one, ironically it’s not very immersive. If I walk into a beautifully crafted scene but then have to throw on a head set, it takes away from the suspended belief I was working on to enjoy the ride. And secondly, as much as I love VR the graphics are not often as crisp and believable as well… real life. I work at a well known world renown park and it’s practical effects are the best in the world because they are just that, practical and as real as you are. I think the future of thrills and shows should be practical seen with your own eyes.
forgetting key things first in 2016 they had a train come towards you in the live action scene 2017 they had actors run at you 2018-onwards had the mini scare maze
Takes 2 sec of googling to find out pepper's ghost is a helluva lot older than Walt Disney. For those that want to know it was first demonstrated in 1862
Really interesting vid, I did ride the ghost train in its "rise of the demon" era and I always thought it was great, had no idea how the floating train worked, so simple!!! I was looking forward to watching your vid but sadly found it impossible to watch all the way through because of your constantly moving camera, actually made me feel sick with motion sickness, please be aware that this does affect people when you film in the future
Over 8.5m views for the channel These horror events def need to be better Check out burnt city by punchdrunk They could have updated the vr in a pre show even inparts of queue line Are they certain with the reliability of the ride Maybe allow a few pre booked slots too
There was cool parts of this but the vr part was just lame. soo glad thats being taken out cus it was kinda just a lazy way of adding parts to the ride without actuly building anything or actuly creating effects. im hyped to see what happens to it after it gets changed but yea i just hope they keep vr away from it cus it really wasnt a good idea for a ride
Amazing video, really appreciate the time and effort you out into your craft. When you said you were going in all rooms I was hoping to see the underground train moving from the outside in the show building and the fake shop at the end but I know you would have if you could x
While I think the experience itself will be better then what it was I'm really not feeling the new tone they are going with for this ride, saw some of the new colour schemes and merchandise for the ride and it just gives me more family/kid friendly vibes then the previous dark and gritty ones the old attractions merchandise and promotion/colours gave off which I feel suits a ghost train more. Just hoping the experience itself doesn't get toned down.
This actually gives me ideas then. Remember parents complaining about Walking Dead because X was a ride that their children couldn't go on anymore because it was now a horror theme? I'm wondering if this could be a way to immerse everyone. But here's what I find weird about that, the description makes it sound scary. But I'm wondering if, well... hear me out instead. Due to it being actor lead as is the theory, I also wonder if, say, the first actor might notice the make up of the group, and can radio ahead and say hay guys we've got more families in here this time, let's give them an adventure, but if they see adults or recognize people from the scare events, they might say let's give them a scare. Although I'm wondering how it'd work with me as a blind person, hopefully they might be able to do something. I did London Dungeons before it was changed, but the torture chamber guy let me touch each of the things he was demonstrating. Of course stuff like this i.e: Ghost Trainwill probably have script queues and such, but I wonder what they might do ifthey know a totally blind person is part of the group. When I saw a version of Hamlet a while back, the cast knew I was there, and I have it on record that at least two of them actually made it a point to seek me out and perform their speeches in front of me so I'd get their emotion. The person playing Hamlet, I think, actually asked me a question directly, since they were in character and I was not entirely sure if this was the case, I nodded back rather than tried to speak, as I didn't want them to miss their next cue. I got confirmation later that yes, they did project their voice in my direction when they asked the question.
Building sim to the punchdrunk site in woolwich Maybe the train can spin With danse macabre at efteling coming Great they allowed you in You def should do some input Be an engineer or designer Good vloggas I would def employ or train at mack or intamin
I'd heard about the mirrors years ago but when I finally went on the ride last year I wasn't able to spot them and assumed I must have misread something. The fact that I still couldn't see them in this video until they were pointed out is testament to how impressive an illusion it is!
Brings back so many memories working on that ride.
The Pepper's Ghost effect has been utilized quite a bit before Walt Disney started using it in attractions. The effect was actually used original in theater plays, dating back to the mid to late 1850s, and has since become one of the most famous effects to date. So, imagine the thrill and shock when theater goers were seeing "spirits" on stage, interacting with the performers.
Yeah, I was going to write something about it as well.
Aw Jack this vid was kinda an emotional one ngl as the first ever vid of yours I saw that made me sub to your channel was you and Kieran at the park in 2016 and spending the whole day lingering round the Ghost Train shop speculating when it was gonna open. Watched every video since, cheers for the banging 7 years of content so far 😂🎉
Wow, that's insane! I dread to think how many hours we spent hanging around outside this ride! Thanks for sticking around all these years ❤
@@TheJackSilkstone Please upload the final part of loggers leap!
@@TheJackSilkstone I can't wait!
@@TheJackSilkstone Thanks!
@@TheJackSilkstone When is the opening date?
I am SO EXCITED for this ride!!! It will finally do the huge ride system justice.
I always give Derren browns ghost train and Thorpe Park a hard time, but Jesus Christ They really put everything into this ride. It’s a shame flopped the first time, but I’m excited to see where it goes. I have a feeling it will be much better.
This was a great overview, I can’t wait to see what they do with this, because the Darren brown train effect is truly iconic and I hope they can maintain that effect in some form with the new theme (probably with a different train, although that might be costly)
As for your comment on Pepper’s ghost. It was originally invented in the 1860s as a Victorian novelty, However it was popularised as a method in theme parks by Walt Disneys imagineers such as Marc Davis when they implemented it into the Haunted mansion
Nice vlog! Pepper's Ghost pre-dates Disney by a long shot. It's actually an old theatrical trick created by from the 16th century and then used by Victorian magicians! Just goes to show, the old stuff can still be amazing
This reminds me of when I stubbed my toe on a train set
What is it with the theme parks and stubbing toes?
Lol
Hey man, I really do appreciate all of this insider stuff, it's great you're doing this with the park but at the same time if they're allowing you to show THIS much in this video it must be one hell of a refurb (I'm guessing this was shot a while back)
Yeah few weeks ago he mentioned on socials and in the description of the vid 😊
@@Dan-pv7cu I don’t think I’ve ever read a description in my life 😂 (I really should)
Def a good vlogga and you and sean the top 3
@@LiftHillsandThrills Me too lol
@@nbvhoho2738 Other Shawn, not me 😅 I’m wayyyy behind aha
Amazing to see how much work went in to it all
We had I believe the only behind the scenes tour ever in 2019 with TowersTimes. Probably the most impressive and interesting BTS tour I’ve ever done! Fab work Jack 🙌
Thankyou for this video. I always suspected mirrors but not quite like this.
You are just living the dream! Thanks for sharing it with us 🥰
Your literally the luckiest person in the world to get access to places no one else gets access to 😮
I love behind the scenes stuff so much thanks for making such great videos on your channel 🙏
ITS AMAZING!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is brilliant Jack. I never got to ride this but it looks a pretty clever ride, I can’t wait to actually ride the new version. Cheeeers
The video I needed Great video as always Jack, Keep up the good work!
It's so cool seeing all the insider stuff thanks for all your Vids and updates mate
I did enjoy the old ride but can’t wait for this update.
Great update of the ghost train. Please can we have more project exodus updates?
Oh go on then..!
@@TheJackSilkstone thanks
I had no idea about the mirrors! Thanks for sharing.
how amazing is this 😊
Just a bit of info for you. The peppers ghost effect goes way back to the 1800's and is one of the oldest special efffects used in theatres. Cool video 😊.
I can't wait for the Ghost Train Ride at Thorpe Park.
Your best video. Easily. Hope we can see more updates & teasers like this because this was incredible! Do you think it will open in time for park opening?
It won't be open for opening
Omg so amazing!!!!
Although Disney’s Haunted Mansion is perhaps the world’s foremost example of the Pepper’s Ghost illusion, the Imagineers at the time availed themselves of the theatrical trick that was made popular by John Henry Pepper in 1862 in Victorian theatre productions. It does not employ mirrors but capitalizes on the fact that a pane of glass (or other transparent media) can be used to reflect and superimpose an image onto another scene depending upon the proper application of lighting. I have never heard of, seen, or experienced Brown’s Ghost Train attraction but the use of mirrors for the floating Pullman car is inspired! I’ve always been interested in the how-to aspects of live theatre effects and magic and while they seem simple and almost comically obvious, as soon as you throw in some smoke and mirrors (literally!) one believes that magic is possible. Thanks for the B-T-S tour! Absolutely fascinating!
It’s a little sad seeing it go but at least we all have so much memories of this ride.
Jack you beautyy! 😍
Awesome video buddy, love the nitty gritty of how it all works. Gives me ideas for a scare maze 😉
HOW IS THIS GUY SO LUCKY???!!! HE GETS TO GO EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats on the 30k!
Have wanted to see this for ages. Several times at TP but not able to get tickets. Cannot get there for opening time of the park as it’s a three hour drive.
Still don't understand how it makes it feel like the train is moving 😭
Brilliant video but I will say the comment regarding Pepper's ghost effect is wrong. It actually dates back from Victorian theatre back when there was an obsession on the occult and particularly staging the supernatural in which someone would refract light of a person to the stage from somewhere else (e.g. down in the pit underneath the stage) and it would look like a ghost had appeared. It has become more iconic since the Haunted Mansion but it is not from the Walt Disney company.
Hope that helps
So interesting to see! 👍🏻👍🏻
Pepper's Ghost is much older than Walt Disney. It was first used in theatres in the 1860s
Man looks like an absolutely huge refurb. Excited to ride it. I predict it'll be open for summer 2023 but not at the start of the season. (I know this was filmed a couple of weeks back)
You're doing a great job Jack. Are you gonna be at Pleasure Beach opening weekend??
I remember being stuck in that room with the big red train for nearly an hour whilst they were fixing something, was mad
You didn't show the behind the scenes of the ride system itself!!!!
It's weird to see this online (I worked on the ride in 2019)
Wow you have a great smile. 🤓👍
I hope they put in 4K TV screens in the trains where the windows are to make the action seem real on the outside of the train...the train interior should be stripped completely and have more dark spooky feel....be interesting to see what they do with the pre show and the tunnel parts tbh
Wat a amazing video, glad to c how it worked x
Will this ride be available on the opening day of Thorpe?
I really appreciate this video very well done also a bit more Info about peppers ghost illusion it actually dates back much farther than Walt Disney as it was used in old theaters in stage shows that had ghostly characters apear in them
sick love ur vids fam
I got a full on evac off Derren Brown Ghost Train was nice to see how it all worked.
2:20 "Back in the days of Walt Disney" whahaha! You could've done a quick Google search...
Wow keep up the good content
First
Interesting vid. Sorry to be a pedant but Pepper's Ghost doesn't use a mirror it's a sheet of glass. The audience looks through the glass, the projector projects on to it.
pure banger 💨🔥
Really good report. I really liked the whole concept of Darren's Brown Ghost Train, however the VR was so unreliable.
Do we know if they are keeping the London Underground theme or is that all changing aswell? Also, is the whole ride same layout staying a.k.a ride system or is it slightly changing? Like new element added a.k.a new sequence to make ride longer a bit? Or remaining the same length just without the VR Headsets? Also, are they turning the boarding section into platforms or leaving it as an abandoned train in a warehouse? Telling a similar story to old Derren Browns ride or a complete new storyline? By the way, good to see how ride system has been done and what type its been all this time. Reminds me same or similar system as Jaws ride? But with no arm above wheel car? But instead connected a slab to it, interesting. But yeah, good video, really enjoyed and looking forward to seeing what new ride looks like once opened. 😀👍
Just imagine if you could operate Darren browns ghost train on ride sims that would be really good.
I’m pleased Merlin are removing some IP’s. May it continue!
Hi I love your videos and I hope you see this comment hi
Hey! 👋
@@TheJackSilkstone omg hi
"As you can see there is a train behind me"
Peppers ghost goes back way further than Disney it was first used back in 1862
I can't wait to ride this when it opens?
Awesome
You may not know this, but will it open along with the park or will it have a delayed opening?
I LOOVE VR but I have to admit that VR feels like a cop out when it comes to thrill rides and attractions for many reasons. For one, ironically it’s not very immersive. If I walk into a beautifully crafted scene but then have to throw on a head set, it takes away from the suspended belief I was working on to enjoy the ride. And secondly, as much as I love VR the graphics are not often as crisp and believable as well… real life. I work at a well known world renown park and it’s practical effects are the best in the world because they are just that, practical and as real as you are. I think the future of thrills and shows should be practical seen with your own eyes.
Did you do a Paultons Park vlog the other day I was there on opening day to.
I sure did! That vlog will be out soon 😃
Jack don't wear a hard hat there was no builders in i am looking forward to this with out the VR
forgetting key things first in 2016 they had a train come towards you in the live action scene 2017 they had actors run at you 2018-onwards had the mini scare maze
Which you think will be the better experience Curse at Alton Manor or Ghost Train.
Can thirpe spare me one of those pics tho 😂
Takes 2 sec of googling to find out pepper's ghost is a helluva lot older than Walt Disney. For those that want to know it was first demonstrated in 1862
Who else thinks Jack Silkstone's a cutie?
😍
Really interesting vid, I did ride the ghost train in its "rise of the demon" era and I always thought it was great, had no idea how the floating train worked, so simple!!! I was looking forward to watching your vid but sadly found it impossible to watch all the way through because of your constantly moving camera, actually made me feel sick with motion sickness, please be aware that this does affect people when you film in the future
Over 8.5m views for the channel
These horror events def need to be better
Check out burnt city by punchdrunk
They could have updated the vr in a pre show even inparts of queue line
Are they certain with the reliability of the ride
Maybe allow a few pre booked slots too
Hi jack good video but question time ? Ghost train or the curse in Alton manor
How did you get to be at the point where you are invited in?
What camera do you use
You should be able to buy the old vr content on steam
Whats up with the frame rate of this video? very interesting, but it was a hard watch.
Wow
I rode ghost train at Thorpe park currently
Jack, why are your videos taking so long to come out?
How thd hell did they let you in with your helmet on back to front?
So how did it move why did it make u feel like we was moving
the experience will be missed
Do you work for Thorpe Park then?
first time i went was with my mate i said look its held up with chains he laughed
There was cool parts of this but the vr part was just lame. soo glad thats being taken out cus it was kinda just a lazy way of adding parts to the ride without actuly building anything or actuly creating effects. im hyped to see what happens to it after it gets changed but yea i just hope they keep vr away from it cus it really wasnt a good idea for a ride
No one talking about the backwards helmet?
Amazing video, really appreciate the time and effort you out into your craft. When you said you were going in all rooms I was hoping to see the underground train moving from the outside in the show building and the fake shop at the end but I know you would have if you could x
I’m guessing if it relies on actors it will still hardly ever be open.
While I think the experience itself will be better then what it was I'm really not feeling the new tone they are going with for this ride, saw some of the new colour schemes and merchandise for the ride and it just gives me more family/kid friendly vibes then the previous dark and gritty ones the old attractions merchandise and promotion/colours gave off which I feel suits a ghost train more. Just hoping the experience itself doesn't get toned down.
This actually gives me ideas then. Remember parents complaining about Walking Dead because X was a ride that their children couldn't go on anymore because it was now a horror theme? I'm wondering if this could be a way to immerse everyone. But here's what I find weird about that, the description makes it sound scary. But I'm wondering if, well... hear me out instead. Due to it being actor lead as is the theory, I also wonder if, say, the first actor might notice the make up of the group, and can radio ahead and say hay guys we've got more families in here this time, let's give them an adventure, but if they see adults or recognize people from the scare events, they might say let's give them a scare. Although I'm wondering how it'd work with me as a blind person, hopefully they might be able to do something. I did London Dungeons before it was changed, but the torture chamber guy let me touch each of the things he was demonstrating. Of course stuff like this i.e: Ghost Trainwill probably have script queues and such, but I wonder what they might do ifthey know a totally blind person is part of the group. When I saw a version of Hamlet a while back, the cast knew I was there, and I have it on record that at least two of them actually made it a point to seek me out and perform their speeches in front of me so I'd get their emotion. The person playing Hamlet, I think, actually asked me a question directly, since they were in character and I was not entirely sure if this was the case, I nodded back rather than tried to speak, as I didn't want them to miss their next cue. I got confirmation later that yes, they did project their voice in my direction when they asked the question.
Building sim to the punchdrunk site in woolwich
Maybe the train can spin
With danse macabre at efteling coming
Great they allowed you in
You def should do some input
Be an engineer or designer
Good vloggas I would def employ or train at mack or intamin
Omgggg
Bro its different guy on the ghost train
WHY ARE THEY GETTING RID OF THE BEST ILLUSION :(
Massively annoyed the floating train carriage is being removed.
Feeming, Mumfs & Frew….
We all knew what you meant
will it be a ride or a experience
Both