Former Italian VFA here (1-year volunteer service) IX blocco 2003, 25° RAV "Verona" (Volunteer Training Regiment). Infantry. I confirm that this was the one we used, steel magazines. We knew there were ones with collapsible wire stocks (SC 70/90) and ones with collaps. stocks and a shorter barrel (SCP 70/90) but we were never handed one. The handle was always on and we learned to shoot with it, it was a normal thing and nobody thought anything about it (almost all of us had never shot a rifle before so we had nothing to compare). They would let you use either the proper sight or the "fast target acquisition" one on the handle, as you wanted as long as you could hit something. I always used the real sights. The rifle was accurate and reliable, never had a malfunction nor seen one with other shooters. We found field-stripping a nightmare but, again, we were inexperienced, later it became easier to us. We practiced also with the M92 (again, almost nobody of us had used a handgun before and shooting was comedy, many bullets ended on the ceiling of the tunnel range) and with the FN Minimi light machine gun 5.56 (loooots of fun). Thank you Ian for your amazing videos! Greetings from Italy 😎
@@EdibleRockingChairI don’t like that they don’t give you the options to use the lower sights or take out the handle, I like using irons and them not giving us the option is sad, minimum effort on that part
It shows how much the swiss collaborated with the Italians on the base design. The SG550 and SG540 have almost identical bolt and piston assemblies. As well as the 540s removable has block.
Consider that the collaboration ended because Beretta wanted to use a AK-like gas action (this one) and SIG a rolled-delayed blowback action (and ended up with the unsuccessful SG530, gas operated roller locked).
@@neutronalchemist3241 yeah they had a falling out long ago but the resemblance in even their later gen rifles is uncanny. Funny how both ended up with an ak action anyway.
I've been futzing around with the AR70/90 that I had built, and I think the spring clip on the front pin actually goes between the upper receiver shell extension and the right hand trunnion ear. If you move it over there it acts as a captive spring for the pin. There is a little channel stamped into the shell extension, and I think that is for the spring.
Maybe I am weird, but ever since I was a kid and got a variety weapons pack for my GI JOE toys that came with one of these, this has always been one of my favorite-looking military rifles ever made. The Italians generally know what they're doing.
Literally, exactly the same here. I got to looking at it and thought, "Hmm... This is not a M16..." Started looking around at the library (in books made of paper!) and discovered Beretta made rifles and other stuff besides the M9 in every movie of that era. Yup, even as a kid I was a gun nerd. 😁
From the "High Caliber Weapons Arsenal" of the Hall of Fame series. I also thought it was a goof that there was no trigger guard (as was common in most action figure guns at the time) but 8:36 apparently, the trigger guard can be folded down and look the way it does on the toy.
A short story from a work colleague, who used the AR 70/90 during his mandatory military service in the late '90s. He was in the Alpini, the famous specialised winter and mountain infantry. During a winter ski drill, a guy in his team realised he had lost the carry handle, which is detachable (as mentioned by Ian in the video) and immediately reported it to the commander. The whole team would then spend the next 3 or 4 hours in the cold, in the deep snow just to retrieve that small (and not even expensive) piece of equipment. In the end they did found the carry handle, and it turned out that the army gunsmith hadn't properly fastened it.
Only design from all the stuff i've seen and don't like, is the ARX-200, looks like a SCAR H that was driven over by a tractor then smashed by a hammer or something, speaking strictly aesthetics to be clear
Glad to see Brimstone finally completing these builds. My kit (2nd AR-70/90, this time with a folding stock) has been there over a year and a half. Hope mine isn't too far behind.
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960Which of their o/u shotgun models is extremely overpriced? In my experience they are all priced very competitively to other manufacturers offerings.
@@AntonGudenus they have a shotgun on their website right now with a two star average rating, reviews talking about delicate parts, and its worth 125k dollars us. That's overpriced, sorry if that hurts your feelings.
During my one year compulsory military service I served my country (Italy) with this rifle for the last 8 months of my stay before my discharge. I did a few months of service abroad in the former Yugoslavia in the IFOR/SFOR operation with this rifle and I have fond memories of it. It had only one flaw, the carrying handle was easy to unhook if you carried the weapon like a suitcase, it could fall to the ground. Cheers from Italy.
A lot of the new content is solely because of the importation cycles and interest. Ian has shown his tour of the importers that he relies on to get cool guns without having to sneak his way into European Royal Arms Museum/Collections.
We shared a base in Afghanistan with Italians and during our deployment they switched from the 70/90 to the ARX160 and it was almost a change in complete attitude and doctrine. The unit with 70/90s everyone carried their weapons slung at low ready with always one hand on the weapon (probably due to weight) and looked ready for anything. When they got the new 6lb plastic gun almost every soldier had the gun slung low behind the back with the stock folded.
Wow cool thanks for the information if you don't mind may I ask a question? What effects if any did this have in there combat effectiveness? An what effects if any on the opfor attitude towards them?
@@long-hair-dont-care88. The closest thing the Italians got to combat was the tail gunner of a convoy passing out drunk and his face setting off the butterfly trigger of a 50. It was at that wierd kinda peaceful time after the Taliban was whooped and before ISIS.
@@saltybones8492 Bulls**t, try to ask someone who were at Fob Snow or Fob Ice: over there the talibs attacked on a daily basis. Just the final part of the almost 20 years mission was quite relaxing.
Handled one of these at a museum which had a table of small arms from the introduction of 5.56 NATO, this was one of the heaviest there but the museum attendant told me it had a reputation as one of the most rugged and durable.
I waited so much for this video, glad you talked about the main weapon that my father used in the Air Force(they were the first ones to recieve it, besides the special forces). He loved this video, thank you.
The fact that I'm subscribed (have been for years) with notifications turned on and yet I've not been notified of a new video from this channel in several months is really starting to piss me off. What is the point of subscribing with notifications when you still have to seek the content out manually every few days because TH-cam refuses to honor their basic commitment to the creator and viewer. This is beyond frustrating.
Very Nice! Matt at brimstone is building mine as well and I should have mine in a matter of days. It’s been a wait but looks to be worth it for a rare rifle. I’m thankful there are people who take on these cool projects that are no doubt a chore. Cool video as always thank you and I pre ordered your book can’t wait to check it out.
I've built a couple of these, really nice to shoot. The trunnions and associated rails are welded into the receiver shell rather than riveted. The ejector is riveted in, but also welded - go figure. I did pin my gas block in place to avoid some of the poor accuracy from the front sight not being 100% rigid.
I mean maybe, but this looks like a bit bulky of a weapon. CETME L is somewhere between a WWSD style AR15, maybe a SCAR, and MP5. I would take the CETME L before I'd take this thing.
@@pguth98 I mean that is a very important, but depending on how bulky it is (weight, ease of clearing malfunction, cleaning, etc) ...it could be just as bad. I mean if you want to say 'frequent jamming' = unreliable. Look at the M2: those things jam all the time (curse of beltfeds), and yet there are 10s or 100s of 1000s of them used all over. Meanwhile if avg built dude with 25lbs on his plate carrier, another 30-70 in his ruck/assault pack, maybe 10-15 in hydration...and the weapon kitted out weights 15-30lbs...Well that is just pushing the weight limit for practical use then.
This was when Beretta was still pretty conservative looks-wise. They really starting upping the style factor with the Cx4 and Px4 Storm models, and you can also see it in the ARX-160.
Beretta kept their steel AR70/90 magazines when they developed the ARX100. They're great mags. Beretta USA was still selling them as of a year or two ago.
Ciao IAN. nel 1993 ero negli ALPINI e usavamo ancora il BM-59. Il mio reparto( battaglione SÜSA, oggi 3•regg.Alpini,)però ,aveva da anni ,diversi esemplari di SC-70/90 perché li stava testando . In alcune sezioni di addestramento, li abbiamo potuti usare. Avevamo anche alcuni esemplari di FRANCHI LF 57 ( usati per breve periodo al posto dell 'M-12 ,come arma secondaria, dai tiratori scelti). So che in armeria avevamo anche alcuni " GALIL" della FRANCHI,ma non li ho mai visti....un saluto dall Italia ❤
Kinda looks like a rifle grenade's tail would hit that gas cutoff lever if it was in the open position. If I were a gambler (and I'm seeing right and not just being silly) I would bet that was deliberate. Pretty slick system, that.
Was just watching a scene from Free Fire where Cillian Murphy confronts Sharlton Copley about not delivering the right weapons- I thought he said AR-17, which I was confused by remembering the OTHER video on the ArmaLite shotgun; but then there's also this video on what he said, the AR-70. Just speaks to how comprehensive this channel is!
My rifle for three years. As part of an Alpine mountain regiment we had the lighter version with foldable stock :D this is a gun. Not that shitty ARX they are cranking out now :(
used the Beretta SC 70/90 Alpini type in 1999 it was an AK 47 bolt inside an AR 15 receiver , more edgy , heavy but very very accurate shooting , and 3 burst with bipod....... deadly too
I remember the “competition” for a new cartridge. The US encouraged every country and mfg to put forward whatever they wanted and then did what everyone expected and said “Fake! You’re adopting 5.56!” Ian could do an interesting piece on the cool tech that was proposed and didn’t make it.
0:08 Dont worry Ian I have to use subtitles anyways as I forget earpro consistently Whoever does subtitles on the channel deserves a raise or use Ian for a voice trainer... Or Ian is literally just that clear and concise!
The wire clip for the front receiver pin is on the wrong side. It slides up under the gap between the front trunnion ear and outer skin on the right hand side of the receiver, it is not supposed to be exposed on the left side of the receiver.
I was one of the first to bring out parts for these, but I got smashed by the tornado in December 2021 and pretty much all my inventory and machinery got scattered across the county. I did just buy a brand-used mill, so hopefully I can help more people with the parts needed at a cost that both they and I can afford.
I think the carry handle sights are meant to be night sights with that luminescent(?) white paint. You can't really properly aim through the main aperture sight in low light conditions.
also. But it was a carry-on (pun intended) of the US Army Advanced Combat Rifle Program (1986-1990): alongside with duplex ammo, flechettes and assorted sci-fi that went nowhere, it became fashionable for many weapon of the 90s to add in the merchandising panphlet aome buzzwords about a quick, instinctive, along the barrel kind of sighting system. Or an entire piece to say "see, it's modern".
Speaking of Italian rifles, any info on Socimi? It was primarily a bus company that decided to go into the armaments business in the '80, put out some more or less license copies of small arms and combat vehicles, then went under due to a big corruption investigation in Milan in the '90s They had an 556 AR-oid called the AR831, a 7.62 version called AR832, but also the AR843/BP, which was a bullpul rifle with a 4 round burst mode. Sadly I haven't been able to find even just a photo of the 834.
The carry handle is actually a great look, just not usable for exactly the reason Ian mentioned (I thought it was just me). The AR-70/90 w/ carry handle and bipod looks like it's going a hundred flippin' miles an hour when it's just STANDING STILL.
The operating system, receiver design, ejector design, and bolt shape makes it seem like the designer looked at an AK-47 and decided it wasn't modular enough so they made this instead.
The carry handle sights thing are an interesting idea, but you could also just have a ghost ring rear sight, or skip all that and just look over your rear sight and focus on the front. It's not the best technique once you step back a little bit, but up close and nasty yeah it works
I don't think the AR-70/90 could ever be adequately sporterized for US importation in a cost effective way, but I so wish it was possible to get them here.
This is basically an AK with the recoil spring around the long stroke gas piston instead of behind the bolt. Im sure these guns were pretty indestructible in service.
I was a vam airforce guard Using the Sc70 variant with folding metal butt Also we shoot beretta Mab , M12, And beretta 34 /380 acp The M12 and 34 very easy to handle The Sc70 was much harder and only in use When you guard military airport The M12 in use when you guard inside towns …..: was a nice year though…..
From my understanding and from a joke that was circulating between one of my father’s friends at the time this was being issued, the carry handle is there because a general thought it was cool on the m16 and requested to have one on the rifle.
@@cristianlotti5328 he wasn't wrong, the m16 carry handle is cool. this one, however, looks like it got added in a filming set to be used as a prop gun
Could be the OCD acting up again but that ejection port looks like it can't handle a full length cartridge. I'm guessing Beretta made sure that wasn't a problem but it just looks that way. Looks so much better without the carry handle, just like the L85/SA80 doesn't look right without the SUSAT on it.
I always wonder for these modern style rifles with rifle grenade launching spigots: how were troops intended to load them? I assume this wouldn't be a bullet trap and thus required a special blank launching cartridge, but it looks like it would be exceptionally difficult to single-load a cartridge in the field. Were grenadiers given a magazine to just load their launching cartridges, or were they just expected to have very deft fingers?
Ian, How did you pull off the barrel shroud/flash hider in order to remove the gas block? Really cool that you got this rare rifle to show for us the way yo did!
Sorry, I goofed the editing and that part was left out. The muzzle device just unscrews off the barrel once you press in a locking plunger (like on an AK).
@@ForgottenWeapons It seems like the designers got a lot of cues from the AK for a lot of the design choices in this thing. I didn't see your previous video on the AR-70 so I don't know the history, but just looking at the operating system makes me think the designers saw an AK and thought they could make one too but better and more modular.
Former Italian VFA here (1-year volunteer service) IX blocco 2003, 25° RAV "Verona" (Volunteer Training Regiment). Infantry. I confirm that this was the one we used, steel magazines. We knew there were ones with collapsible wire stocks (SC 70/90) and ones with collaps. stocks and a shorter barrel (SCP 70/90) but we were never handed one. The handle was always on and we learned to shoot with it, it was a normal thing and nobody thought anything about it (almost all of us had never shot a rifle before so we had nothing to compare). They would let you use either the proper sight or the "fast target acquisition" one on the handle, as you wanted as long as you could hit something. I always used the real sights. The rifle was accurate and reliable, never had a malfunction nor seen one with other shooters. We found field-stripping a nightmare but, again, we were inexperienced, later it became easier to us. We practiced also with the M92 (again, almost nobody of us had used a handgun before and shooting was comedy, many bullets ended on the ceiling of the tunnel range) and with the FN Minimi light machine gun 5.56 (loooots of fun). Thank you Ian for your amazing videos! Greetings from Italy 😎
🫡 thank you legionary
Nice
Insurgencey sandstorm update got me looking at this video again lol
Niche guns like this honestly belong in Insurgency, the devs tend to put a lot of care toward their depictions
@@EdibleRockingChairI don’t like that they don’t give you the options to use the lower sights or take out the handle, I like using irons and them not giving us the option is sad, minimum effort on that part
Perhaps new best weapon in the game, sounds great and offers a lot for 3 points: decent sights, controllable fire rate and AR mag compatibility.
Been using it a lot and it's become a go to rifle for me.
@@jjditomasoyeah plus the bipod for free that's awesome
You need helmet with black rooster feathers on its side, when shooting beretta 70/90. It's a law.
Ictu impetuque primus!
Not with this One.
"Avanti savoia!"
It shows how much the swiss collaborated with the Italians on the base design. The SG550 and SG540 have almost identical bolt and piston assemblies. As well as the 540s removable has block.
Consider that the collaboration ended because Beretta wanted to use a AK-like gas action (this one) and SIG a rolled-delayed blowback action (and ended up with the unsuccessful SG530, gas operated roller locked).
@@neutronalchemist3241 yeah they had a falling out long ago but the resemblance in even their later gen rifles is uncanny. Funny how both ended up with an ak action anyway.
I've been futzing around with the AR70/90 that I had built, and I think the spring clip on the front pin actually goes between the upper receiver shell extension and the right hand trunnion ear. If you move it over there it acts as a captive spring for the pin. There is a little channel stamped into the shell extension, and I think that is for the spring.
You are correct, that is where it belongs.
Great to learn the evolution of this rifle from the earlier AR-70 model. It's unfortunate that import regulations limited its availability in the US
I did my military service with this weapon. it was very heavy to carry, but almost indestructible!
The turret monster would like to know your location.
it is weight for a 5.56 but the weight makes it stable in the end if you shoot from a standstill it is an advantage
I suspected it would be pretty heavy. It's a really cool rifle though.
How does the grenade adapter come off? Ian left that bit out.
@@markfergerson2145 Looks like the grenade launcher holds the gas block in place. Probably omitted for TH-cam reasons
Maybe I am weird, but ever since I was a kid and got a variety weapons pack for my GI JOE toys that came with one of these, this has always been one of my favorite-looking military rifles ever made. The Italians generally know what they're doing.
Literally, exactly the same here. I got to looking at it and thought, "Hmm... This is not a M16..."
Started looking around at the library (in books made of paper!) and discovered Beretta made rifles and other stuff besides the M9 in every movie of that era. Yup, even as a kid I was a gun nerd. 😁
From the "High Caliber Weapons Arsenal" of the Hall of Fame series. I also thought it was a goof that there was no trigger guard (as was common in most action figure guns at the time) but 8:36 apparently, the trigger guard can be folded down and look the way it does on the toy.
There's a lot to like in this rifle's design. With a couple of upgrades this could again be a great battle rifle.
I wish they made it in 7.62
A short story from a work colleague, who used the AR 70/90 during his mandatory military service in the late '90s.
He was in the Alpini, the famous specialised winter and mountain infantry.
During a winter ski drill, a guy in his team realised he had lost the carry handle, which is detachable (as mentioned by Ian in the video) and immediately reported it to the commander. The whole team would then spend the next 3 or 4 hours in the cold, in the deep snow just to retrieve that small (and not even expensive) piece of equipment.
In the end they did found the carry handle, and it turned out that the army gunsmith hadn't properly fastened it.
@OnafetsEnovapthey pay you lol.
6:07 I like how the gas cut-off would block a rifle grenade, good bit of design.
I honestly love the italian rifle designs.
And pistols 😍
Only design from all the stuff i've seen and don't like, is the ARX-200, looks like a SCAR H that was driven over by a tractor then smashed by a hammer or something, speaking strictly aesthetics to be clear
@@polorrioabaixo7293 and pistols
@@Juozapas001nah, I absolutely love the arx-200
@@Juozapas001 I agree that it's ugly but I still like it regardless.
Glad to see Brimstone finally completing these builds. My kit (2nd AR-70/90, this time with a folding stock) has been there over a year and a half. Hope mine isn't too far behind.
They took two years for me but it was worth it
This looks like a mix between the WW2 Stinger, the FAL, and the Galile.
Seriously though... I love the design of this thing.
Ah, Berretta. The folks who made a better M14 than the M14.
For half the money.
In half the time.
The people who have been making firearms for 500 years...
Also the people who made the 92fs, and extremely overpriced over/under shotguns. Kinda the jack of all trade gun manufacturers.
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960Which of their o/u shotgun models is extremely overpriced?
In my experience they are all priced very competitively to other manufacturers offerings.
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960 They are cheap products compared to the level of quality they have, these weapons should cost twice as much
@@AntonGudenus they have a shotgun on their website right now with a two star average rating, reviews talking about delicate parts, and its worth 125k dollars us. That's overpriced, sorry if that hurts your feelings.
One of my all time favorite rifles. I heard from Italian soldiers that this thing never jams.
The carry handle is very useful for the Bersaglieri light infantry who march at 180 paces per minute.
You can really see the DNA of the swiss SIG AG sg540 in this from their and Beretta's short-lived collaboration
Same type of optics mounting system on the 550 (Stgw90), I wonder if the dimensions are actually the same to allow use of the same optics.
I was watching and thought more than once "that's just like on the SIG 550!". That explains it
With the carry-handle removed it gives me FN FNC vibes. Anyone else?
Definitely, and both have great lines.
The "not an AR-18" AR-18s tend towards the same lines. Only so many ways to stamp steel around similar guts.
I own one of the few rare examples in the us. It was expensive but I absolutely love it
During my one year compulsory military service I served my country (Italy) with this rifle for the last 8 months of my stay before my discharge. I did a few months of service abroad in the former Yugoslavia in the IFOR/SFOR operation with this rifle and I have fond memories of it. It had only one flaw, the carrying handle was easy to unhook if you carried the weapon like a suitcase, it could fall to the ground. Cheers from Italy.
Used this rifle (the alpini model) some years ago during my Job insider the army. Today using the Beretta arx 160 and 200.
Thanks for keeping this rifle alive, I was issued with the foldable stock one for a number of years and this bring memories back!
Guntube has collectively been cranking out a lot of Beretta content over the past few months, and I'm here for it.
A lot of the new content is solely because of the importation cycles and interest. Ian has shown his tour of the importers that he relies on to get cool guns without having to sneak his way into European Royal Arms Museum/Collections.
And the Cheetah just recently launched too(and is DAMN NICE lookin! Gonna have to check one out for muh itty bitty hands lol)
We shared a base in Afghanistan with Italians and during our deployment they switched from the 70/90 to the ARX160 and it was almost a change in complete attitude and doctrine. The unit with 70/90s everyone carried their weapons slung at low ready with always one hand on the weapon (probably due to weight) and looked ready for anything. When they got the new 6lb plastic gun almost every soldier had the gun slung low behind the back with the stock folded.
Herat?
@@SnoopReddogg yes at Shindand
Wow cool thanks for the information if you don't mind may I ask a question?
What effects if any did this have in there combat effectiveness? An what effects if any on the opfor attitude towards them?
@@long-hair-dont-care88. The closest thing the Italians got to combat was the tail gunner of a convoy passing out drunk and his face setting off the butterfly trigger of a 50. It was at that wierd kinda peaceful time after the Taliban was whooped and before ISIS.
@@saltybones8492 Bulls**t, try to ask someone who were at Fob Snow or Fob Ice: over there the talibs attacked on a daily basis. Just the final part of the almost 20 years mission was quite relaxing.
Handled one of these at a museum which had a table of small arms from the introduction of 5.56 NATO, this was one of the heaviest there but the museum attendant told me it had a reputation as one of the most rugged and durable.
Very underrated rifle...
I've always liked the Beretta rifles, but those sharp corners above the pistol grip look super comfortable.
I waited so much for this video, glad you talked about the main weapon that my father used in the Air Force(they were the first ones to recieve it, besides the special forces). He loved this video, thank you.
The fact that I'm subscribed (have been for years) with notifications turned on and yet I've not been notified of a new video from this channel in several months is really starting to piss me off.
What is the point of subscribing with notifications when you still have to seek the content out manually every few days because TH-cam refuses to honor their basic commitment to the creator and viewer.
This is beyond frustrating.
Very Nice! Matt at brimstone is building mine as well and I should have mine in a matter of days. It’s been a wait but looks to be worth it for a rare rifle. I’m thankful there are people who take on these cool projects that are no doubt a chore. Cool video as always thank you and I pre ordered your book can’t wait to check it out.
I've built a couple of these, really nice to shoot. The trunnions and associated rails are welded into the receiver shell rather than riveted. The ejector is riveted in, but also welded - go figure.
I did pin my gas block in place to avoid some of the poor accuracy from the front sight not being 100% rigid.
Absolutely always loved this one.
I wish some would go the cetme L route with these and build out the parts kits here. I’d love to have one.
I mean maybe, but this looks like a bit bulky of a weapon. CETME L is somewhere between a WWSD style AR15, maybe a SCAR, and MP5.
I would take the CETME L before I'd take this thing.
@@djdrack4681 I'd rather have a bulky weapon than an unreliable weapon.
@@pguth98 I mean that is a very important, but depending on how bulky it is (weight, ease of clearing malfunction, cleaning, etc) ...it could be just as bad.
I mean if you want to say 'frequent jamming' = unreliable. Look at the M2: those things jam all the time (curse of beltfeds), and yet there are 10s or 100s of 1000s of them used all over.
Meanwhile if avg built dude with 25lbs on his plate carrier, another 30-70 in his ruck/assault pack, maybe 10-15 in hydration...and the weapon kitted out weights 15-30lbs...Well that is just pushing the weight limit for practical use then.
There were only like 1500ish kits IIRC, not nearly as many as the CETME L kits
@@pguth98 You planning on going to war with your parts kit gun?
wow thats a gorgeous weapon
This was when Beretta was still pretty conservative looks-wise. They really starting upping the style factor with the Cx4 and Px4 Storm models, and you can also see it in the ARX-160.
Beretta kept their steel AR70/90 magazines when they developed the ARX100. They're great mags. Beretta USA was still selling them as of a year or two ago.
It looks so damn good and solid, I'm in love
Ciao IAN. nel 1993 ero negli ALPINI e usavamo ancora il BM-59. Il mio reparto( battaglione SÜSA, oggi 3•regg.Alpini,)però ,aveva da anni ,diversi esemplari di SC-70/90 perché li stava testando . In alcune sezioni di addestramento, li abbiamo potuti usare. Avevamo anche alcuni esemplari di FRANCHI LF 57 ( usati per breve periodo al posto dell 'M-12 ,come arma secondaria, dai tiratori scelti). So che in armeria avevamo anche alcuni " GALIL" della FRANCHI,ma non li ho mai visti....un saluto dall Italia ❤
Kinda looks like a rifle grenade's tail would hit that gas cutoff lever if it was in the open position. If I were a gambler (and I'm seeing right and not just being silly) I would bet that was deliberate. Pretty slick system, that.
Soldiers being soldiers, it's just stupid-proof design.
Was just watching a scene from Free Fire where Cillian Murphy confronts Sharlton Copley about not delivering the right weapons- I thought he said AR-17, which I was confused by remembering the OTHER video on the ArmaLite shotgun; but then there's also this video on what he said, the AR-70. Just speaks to how comprehensive this channel is!
The carry handle irons is the original c-note and I’m here for it
My rifle for three years.
As part of an Alpine mountain regiment we had the lighter version with foldable stock
:D this is a gun. Not that shitty ARX they are cranking out now :(
It's cool to hear of the mentioned gunshop so close to where I live and having been through new Bethlehem multiple times
Man I’ve been following Ian for almost 10 years now and waited since then for this video ❤ 🍕
The dual ironsight-caery handle areangement reminds me of the nerf rapidstrike. I always thought it was g36 inspired.
used the Beretta SC 70/90 Alpini type in 1999
it was an AK 47 bolt inside an AR 15 receiver , more edgy , heavy but very very accurate shooting , and 3 burst with bipod....... deadly too
This is a beautiful piece of design that isn’t over complicated. The bipod potentially ruining the zero ruins the point of a bipod (accuracy)
I remember the “competition” for a new cartridge. The US encouraged every country and mfg to put forward whatever they wanted and then did what everyone expected and said “Fake! You’re adopting 5.56!” Ian could do an interesting piece on the cool tech that was proposed and didn’t make it.
I'm in the middle of building one of these and have been looking forward to seeing your video on it! The accessories are impossible to find.
0:08 Dont worry Ian I have to use subtitles anyways as I forget earpro consistently
Whoever does subtitles on the channel deserves a raise or use Ian for a voice trainer...
Or Ian is literally just that clear and concise!
The rifle is so much better looking with out the carry handle
That carry handle looks very...."un-Italian" marring the lines of an otherwise elegant-looking rifle.
I disagree - really dig the carry handle on this one '90s sci-fi cool😎
Some interesting cues with this rifle (resonant CETME handguard, Piston looks like an FAL Piston but with a captive spring on it, etc.), very cool.
I'd argue the handguard is more FNC inspired, as is the bolt carrier.
@@MikeNepo Those too, absolutely.
It's long stroke operation like an AK. The charging handle binds the piston to the carrier.
@@KalashniKEV762 I said the Piston looks like an FAL Piston, not that it works like one.
Looking at that exposed spring behind the trigger I wish to see mud test of this rifle.
I need one of these
The wire clip for the front receiver pin is on the wrong side. It slides up under the gap between the front trunnion ear and outer skin on the right hand side of the receiver, it is not supposed to be exposed on the left side of the receiver.
I was one of the first to bring out parts for these, but I got smashed by the tornado in December 2021 and pretty much all my inventory and machinery got scattered across the county. I did just buy a brand-used mill, so hopefully I can help more people with the parts needed at a cost that both they and I can afford.
Thank you , Ian .
🐺 Loupis Canis .
I think the carry handle sights are meant to be night sights with that luminescent(?) white paint. You can't really properly aim through the main aperture sight in low light conditions.
also.
But it was a carry-on (pun intended) of the US Army Advanced Combat Rifle Program (1986-1990): alongside with duplex ammo, flechettes and assorted sci-fi that went nowhere, it became fashionable for many weapon of the 90s to add in the merchandising panphlet aome buzzwords about a quick, instinctive, along the barrel kind of sighting system. Or an entire piece to say "see, it's modern".
The dent on the back of the hand guard is the tool that should soldiers use for field stripping the rifle
Speaking of Italian rifles, any info on Socimi? It was primarily a bus company that decided to go into the armaments business in the '80, put out some more or less license copies of small arms and combat vehicles, then went under due to a big corruption investigation in Milan in the '90s
They had an 556 AR-oid called the AR831, a 7.62 version called AR832, but also the AR843/BP, which was a bullpul rifle with a 4 round burst mode. Sadly I haven't been able to find even just a photo of the 834.
Reminds me of the assault rifle from MGS5.
Thanks for the show, Pretty slick rifle. Reminds me of a FN FNC.
Love Italian content!
they do have some sexy guns
I like Italy. Pizza is my favorite food.
We love you Ian
during mountain marches the carrying handle and bipod remained in the armoury
Italian mechanical design is gorgeous
God it looks so much better without the carry handle.
The carry handle is actually a great look, just not usable for exactly the reason Ian mentioned (I thought it was just me). The AR-70/90 w/ carry handle and bipod looks like it's going a hundred flippin' miles an hour when it's just STANDING STILL.
Cipher sent us to hell... but we're going even deeper."
I can’t help but see the similarities in this rifle and the top “F” in your ForgottenWeapons logo. 😊
I love how the gas tube just fuckin' comes off.
The operating system, receiver design, ejector design, and bolt shape makes it seem like the designer looked at an AK-47 and decided it wasn't modular enough so they made this instead.
The carry handle sights thing are an interesting idea, but you could also just have a ghost ring rear sight, or skip all that and just look over your rear sight and focus on the front. It's not the best technique once you step back a little bit, but up close and nasty yeah it works
That is a SWEET rifle! And gorgeous
I don't think the AR-70/90 could ever be adequately sporterized for US importation in a cost effective way, but I so wish it was possible to get them here.
This is basically an AK with the recoil spring around the long stroke gas piston instead of behind the bolt. Im sure these guns were pretty indestructible in service.
I got to have a look at one of these in East Timor in 99.
...... with folding stock and short barrel
SCp 70/90 used by
Carabinieri Airborne Tuscania.......
Awesome video. I've actually got a parts kit at Brimstone myself right now :D.
Italians make the best food, cars, clothes and the best guns.
That furniture really makes me miss the Tapco M249 grip for the AR & AK. The Magpul offerings just aren't quite as comfortable.
Italy's pride and glory!
That gas block and grenade launcher definitely gets its queues from the BM59
Just need some coverage of the Italian Breda MK 2, beautiful and incredibly well made! They are pretty much completely unknown in the states though :(
"I am not running a F***ing pizza delivery service!"
That is a very beautiful gun
Never heard of Brimstone arms, but since I live in the area I'm going to have to check them out.
Honestly looks like something out of starship troopers
Saw this one in MGSV
Exactly what I thought Lol
I was a vam airforce guard
Using the Sc70 variant with folding metal butt
Also we shoot beretta Mab , M12,
And beretta 34 /380 acp
The M12 and 34 very easy to handle
The Sc70 was much harder and only in use
When you guard military airport
The M12 in use when you guard inside towns
…..: was a nice year though…..
this looks straight out of a comic book, awesome
I have this rifle, it's really wonderful !
A great Gun! Love It!!!
This is one of the coolest looking rifles before I met the Magpul Masada and Polish MSBS Grot.
did i miss the muzzle device being removed during disassembly?
You had me at, "pistol sights on the carry handle." Leave it to Beretta to over engineer it to the point of being awesome.
From my understanding and from a joke that was circulating between one of my father’s friends at the time this was being issued, the carry handle is there because a general thought it was cool on the m16 and requested to have one on the rifle.
@@cristianlotti5328 he wasn't wrong, the m16 carry handle is cool.
this one, however, looks like it got added in a filming set to be used as a prop gun
Could be the OCD acting up again but that ejection port looks like it can't handle a full length cartridge. I'm guessing Beretta made sure that wasn't a problem but it just looks that way. Looks so much better without the carry handle, just like the L85/SA80 doesn't look right without the SUSAT on it.
Very nice I am having one built as well thanks for the video
what actually retains the gas block during normal use?
I always wonder for these modern style rifles with rifle grenade launching spigots: how were troops intended to load them? I assume this wouldn't be a bullet trap and thus required a special blank launching cartridge, but it looks like it would be exceptionally difficult to single-load a cartridge in the field. Were grenadiers given a magazine to just load their launching cartridges, or were they just expected to have very deft fingers?
In the '70s several bullet trap grenades had been developed for .223 Rem. IE the French APAV40
Ian, How did you pull off the barrel shroud/flash hider in order to remove the gas block? Really cool that you got this rare rifle to show for us the way yo did!
Sorry, I goofed the editing and that part was left out. The muzzle device just unscrews off the barrel once you press in a locking plunger (like on an AK).
@@ForgottenWeapons It seems like the designers got a lot of cues from the AK for a lot of the design choices in this thing. I didn't see your previous video on the AR-70 so I don't know the history, but just looking at the operating system makes me think the designers saw an AK and thought they could make one too but better and more modular.
Fuck me, it's the AM-MRS4 from MGSV.