i was looking for this comment. as a christian i apologize for these “men”. there’s a difference between faith/believes and scientific facts that they obviously don’t understand 🤦♀️
I think that's the irritating thing about debating with these people tbh. People, sometimes even LGBT people, are willing to throw them a bone because "well it's just what they believe so you can't force this onto them". They think that I and other guys are gross or immoral for being into men but they want to be polite about it. I don't understand how some LGBT people can listen to people say that and still be like "well we can still be friends". A trans person being friends with a transphobic person feels weird to me because they don't even acknowledge such a huge part of your life, and they think you're playing pretend. I'd probably want someone else to be my friend in that case lol. "I don't judge you, I just think you're gross and you're doing something wrong" which is a judgment in and of itself.
Ah, yes. Before transitioning, I was a typical female - always had to roll around on the floor and cry. But after pumping myself with Testosterone™️, I’m happy to say I can now cry standing using my big manly legs!
Also, men only succeed at killing themselves more than women do. Equal amounts of men and women try to kill themselves, but men tend to use methods that are more likely to work (things like stabbing or shooting) and women tend to use methods that they are more likely to recover from (e.g. purposely overdosing on drugs)
To quote my father, "If a man is that touchy about their masculinity, that they are scared to do things or won't act like a caring human being. Then they aren't real men. They're still little boys trying to appear tough in front of their friends."
yeah, the correlation to masculinity should be not the surface level that men are big, strong, tough, and fight, but rather the real reasons why they would ever need to do that, which is to protect and care for others, but of course, out of necessity there is no need.
@@emilytrott lol nah he's not trans. He just didn't have a toxic male influence growing up 😁 His dad wasn't around and when he was the dude wasn't a masculine jerk either. So yeah
@@wendyjohnson4345 not everyone thinks like you wendy. We can perfectly live alone(well, some of us can). Nobody said that women that dont want to marry in the future hate men as a whole. What in the world-
@@wendyjohnson4345 'People in society need each other, varied skills and aptitudes included' vs 'women need to admit they need men' are separate topics. I agree with the first. I'm still disappointed at society for making me, as a man, inadvertedly selfish and entitled by overimposing the latter.
“It’s ok to suffer in silence.” No it is not. It’s honestly dangerous to keep suffering without getting any help. I’ve done it before and nearly killed myself over it.
@@zachman5150 that has nothing to do with it lol. That wasn't what he was saying. He was saying that holding it in is the reason why men do it more. No one was talking about women doing it.
As a trans guy who did have an abusive father who ultimately got arrested and passed away, when my first therapy asked me if I was trying to be my father I was physically repulsed. My father had nothing to do with me being transgender, I was even hesitant to physically transition cause I was terrified of looking like him, my father and the fear of being like him almost made me NOT transition. Having a bad father figure does not "turn kids trans" and having a bad home life can actually stop someone from socially or medically transitioning
The problem with cause and effect is, how can you really know? We can´t possibly know how we were affected by our upbringing as a child, we were not consciously aware of the influence then, and we can´t simply ´remember´. To simply dismiss the influence of upbringing is as silly and short sighted as claiming upbringing is the only determining factor.
@@lax1992 bruh we have confirmed the affects of raising children to be men and women, and have confirmed it literally leads down to people dying, despite that people always act like that is a helpful thing. ANd how on gods earth are you so sure thats the case when your not even them, you have less ground to stand on. Its just as a short sighted to believe one person has that amount of influence but not believe the entirety of society saying the fucking opposite is not enough influence the other way around.
I know this isn’t the same, but my mom had a fear that I was transgender because of the traumatic things my father did to me. I had already gone through that worrying thought process, and I realized that although he made me not like my body as it was, it was for other reasons than why I was trans. I can have trauma relating to my female body and STILL be trans. I was all scared I’d end up looking like him, but luckily I look much more like my brothers in general, so it helped to get rid of that thought.
i was also raised in an abusive household and i have yet to transition BECAUSE i am scared of my transphobic family beating me to death. trauma and a bad life doesnt make kids trans and it makes no sense when i see anybody say that it does
Yeah, intersectionality is rarely talked about. The only time I've seen it recently is on an "Are They Gay?" video about Encanto and queer HCs... Last place I'd thought I'd see it.
I never really thought about it as a white guy. Obviously I know that I have more privilege than black folks, but I never considered how gender affects it differently. Honestly really eye opening, can’t believe I hadn’t thought about it before
"If a family fails, they won't be looking at the wife." Amongst other things, this is 100% not true. When my parents divorced, everyone in my church blamed my mom for it and tried to gaslight her out of her decision to divorce my dad. And there was no cheating, they just grew apart.
I've never been married but I am a single parent. Back when I still presented feminine, and went by a feminine name, I got so much hate, and many people blamed me even though my exes were the ones who left. Now that I go by a masculine name I have people online calling me a king for being a parent to my kids as if that's not the bare minimum. The bar is on the floor when it comes to men.
My older sis is married and her husband barely helps her around the house and they argue so much and no matter what my sis always get the blame. Even my mother who is conservative and sexist has told her it is her "duty" and she is overreacting and shouldn't get a divorce cuz she needs to take the burden of being a wife. Just pure bs. As someone living in a conservative and closed minded country, women get all the blame for actions men commit. So idk what that man was talking about
I feel like the amount if shame single moms receive can disprove this as well. Blame is put almost entirely on mothers in that regard while men are often given a free pass or left out of the conversation.
Isn't the family generally seen as "the woman's job"? SO yes Frank (not his name probably. Idk enough to find it in the vid.) people will blame the wife if the family fails. People do blame the wife if the family fails. YOUR side does that shit all the damn time.
Many men have to bring up issues that both genders deal with as just male issues cause let's be honest their aren't many issues that are primarily men's problem cause this is a man's world made for men by men. And the few problems that men primarily have is because of men like this.
@@zachman5150 I DARE you to personaly go up to an actual scientist,a professional, who has studied actual biology for years of their lifetime and ask them if your opinion is in fact true. I dare you. If you really care so much about truth. Do your research. And when you do your research don't search for the people who agree with you because you're not going to learn anything more than that doesn't matter if your opinion is false or not. The point is to see the other side's perspective. You prolly haven't ever talked to a trans person and if you have, you weren't open-minded enough to actually LISTEN to what this person had to say in the first place. Your ignorance is exactly the reason why you're so confident in your non-existant knowledge. People who actually KNOW a thing or two are educated enough to know how much knowledge they ACTUALLY possess. Something that you are not capable of due to your ignorance and close-mindness. And I doubt this comment will change your mind. But if there's any possibility of you actually wanting to knwo what the f*ck is going on take my advise: DO YOUR ACTUAL F*CKING RESEARCH. Or continue to be ignorant like you were going to do anyway, since no person like you is intelligent or insightful enough to do such thing by themselves due to the very likely low iq which ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH has ACTUALLY *PROVED* amongst prejuduced people like you, my friend :)
The conservatives: “Kids get lost when they don’t have a positive father figure in the house because they need to be supported in order to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.” Also the conservatives: “Who cares if your parents don’t support you? Just don’t be insecure.”
Like exactly they're just making so many hypocritical points like they would answer one question with one answer, and then the next question they would have been answered, but it would be completely defying their answer for the last one
"if i see in your pants-" immediately no. stop. i hate when one of a transphobes arguments is about genitalia like it's just weird and low key creepy. tbh not even low key, it's very creepy.
My fiancé, a cis-man, literally cries on the floor. He lies down, and calls it "floor time". I had never witnessed anyone cry on the floor before him. Seems to help too, so I'm not gonna knock it
Disagreeing on an essential part on someone's being is not a 'minor conflict' and 'simple disagreement'. You can, in theory, be semi-decent or not hateful with that viewpoint, but you can't really be respectful, much less a friend.
conservative- “your privates determine your biological sex” also conservatives: “if you don’t show certain masculine traits i’m not going to see you as a man… such as harry styles”
@@clearcontentment3695 Stupid comment. Crossdressers just like to play around with the clothing and like to put on shows such as drag-queens, but they don't feel any connection to the actual opposite sex like that. A man can wear nail polish and still be a man, because he wants to stay one. Trans people are born with the strong desire to transition and live their whole lives as the other gender. That usually means going through second puberty.
"Women are no longer submissive." That's because we have more and better education nowadays. We know how to take care of ourselves and we know how we deserve to be treated.
nobody should be forced into submissive. that’s what these guys are mad about. women arnet being forced or taught at a very young age to be submissive and tiny and quite and neat and all taht jazz. thats what their mad about.
@@imjustasconfusedasyou You are completely correct. People just want to control women so they get all pissy when women start standing up for themselves, because according to them "women aren't supposed to be that way!". It's terrible.
The whole "submissive" thing is just so weird to me. Men who say this about women need to keep their personal kinks out of society. It's creepy and weird.
'Don't have kids and expect them to be the way that you want them to be. They're their own person.' I wish that all parents, mine included, could hear and internalise this message.
@@evelyna_paula1747 wait, hold up. I thought God and Jesus were the same person? Or two parts of the same person? that's so odd, imagine you're your own son and then you won't give yourself grandkids even though you want them? I'm trying to understand the logic here, but I'm worried there isn't any.
I was also just reminded somewhere of the survivor bias in this statistic. Women attempt suicide more than men, but they survive more often than men because they typically choose methods less immediately fatal (eg. pills vs a gun), thus, more men die by suicide than women.
@@GoldFishCracker He said earlier it's ok for men to suffer in silence, and then wanted to mention the higher rates of suicide. Lol that is part of the reason men have higher rates of suicide, because they are told to "man up" and suffer in silence.
I think they do actually, cause it’s “gay” to get emotional support from their bros. I heard that men only get emotional support from their SO vs women who get it from their friends
@@DeathnoteBB Yes and this then seems to be why so many men get into the "friend-zone" easily, because they are more likely to associate emotional support with a romantic relationship, but women are more likely to associate emotional support with both platonic AND romantic relationships. So guys can sadly end up feeling way more emotionally attached to/dependent on their female friends and believe they're in love with them, when the lady is only getting friendship vibes. And then it all turns into a mess.
@@-S.L. yea that's how I feel as well. Like some guys just cannot fathom that you can have an emotional attachment with someone without sex being the end goal.
@@-S.L. Maybe when women stop sexualizing any sort of healthy male friendship on TV and movies so they can shlick it to the thoughts of them having sex with each other.
“It’s okay to suffer in silence, and not cry on the floor like a woman” *Ten minutes later* “Men aren’t privileged because we have a higher suicide rate”
I love how they see the idea of a man being "like a woman" in any way as something inherently negative, as if there aren't traits they'd consider feminine that are positive and potentially healthy for men to adopt. Sometimes I wonder if these allegedly straight dudes even like women. Personally as someone who is almost exclusively attracted to women and have many female/femme friends I've learned a lot from them about loving and emphasizing positive traits that being raised as a boy were often ignored or even looked down upon. I wish people could stop thinking about what's masculine or feminine and just do what's best for them. So many men and women are holding themselves back just because that's what their gender roles tell them to, it's sad. People look at gender nonconformity in an aesthetic, presentation-centric way but so much of it is internal. I don't think that's acknowledged often enough outside of and even in progressive spaces.
@@TayTayMakesBeats we have insanely different outlooks and experiences. In my life, as an afab person, there is absolutely nothing more that girls hated than masculinity. I remember being cornered in locker rooms, girls demanding I prove I’m female. Girls yanking chunks of my hair to prove to themselves I was a boy in a wig. They all loathed me for being masculine and being physically more masculine (obviously that was out of my control). I was not welcomed into any kind of sisterhood or into womens spaces. So I believe men and women absolutely hate each other and themselves, and they use those of us that don’t fit in as their punching bags.
I think one thing Buck really misses, and the conservatives cannot and will never understand, is that being trans is more than about 'expression.' At some point during the day, you stop expressing, but you never stop being. That isn't a choice, and having to act, having to _express,_ like something you're not that really makes the experience so painful. But if somebody looks at me and says, 'ah, yes, a very convincing simulacrum of a man, very creative,' then clearly I have not expressed what I am to that person in a way which delivers the message.
That and not actually understanding dysphoria. Many of them like to view dyphoria like a psychosis..... which even more demonstrated they don't understand what it is.
So glad I’m not the only one who’s noticed that “belief IN” anything almost exclusively applies to supernatural/mythical dog💩. The only thing I believe IN is life after love 🥰🤭
this isn't even necessarily true since sex can't always be determined from your skeleton. Unless they find a more precise way to determine that in the future
fr, like people were purposely deadnaming and misgendering Elliot page and then they said "when *he's* dug up people are gonna see *him* as female" the * are me correcting the pronouns as to not misgender him quoting the transphobe
Don’t get me wrong I think everyone is entitled to be religious, but as soon as you bring your religious beliefs into political and human rights issues, it’s a belief not a fact. It may be YOUR truth and YOUR fact, but it should not be a reliable source in a debate like that.
Yeah i don't see how people don't realize this. when you're talking about human rights and politics, religion should be kept out unless it specifically has to do with religion and could harm it. just because /your/ God doesn't want something to be done a certain way and you want to follow that doesn't mean other people have to as well. we just have to learn to respect everyone and to leave everyone alone if what they're doing doesn't physically or mentally harm anyone. we rlly can live in peace if we just tried hard enough.
yeah, I’ve been to a catholic school and RE teachers can tell us that abortion and being trans or gay is wrong and nobody does anything because “it’s the teachings of the church”.
@@MashaMallowplaylists EXACTLY. I really think the entire world would be so much better if every single person could just respect that every individual has the right to choose how to live their lives. Every individual has the right to be authentic to themselves and be who they truly are. If you wouldn’t make that choice personally, THEN DONT MAKE IT. But don’t bully and discriminate against people for being different from you.
not to mention that like... the whole message w/ Jesus is loving and accepting everyone no matter the differences between you and them, bigotry in the name of God is like actually wrong in a religious context vs like a dude wearing a dress... like it's so hypocritical it's insane
I find it crazy how the trans men here just kinda sat there, took their opinions, put out their opinions and didn’t even flinch or show their strong emotions against those dumb opinions. But then again I get it cause us trans people take that every day.
As a transgender man who grew up in a very conservative country and suffered greatly from the hand of conservatives (and still does), I wanted to yeet my smartphone into the window several times while watching that Jubilee vid. I've no idea how those trans guys managed to stay calm, polite and cool-headed. Mad respect.
I know a lot of the questions were coming from a place of hate, but I feel like some (a very small amount) of the things they asked could be coming from a place of curiosity but them just not knowing how to word their question to not be offensive... if that makes sense? Same with the statements they made, one example I can think of rn is the father figure one, like I understand what they were going for, and it was definitely a dumb thing to say, but they might not know any better because they don't have a filter for this type of stuff Also this is unrelated to the rest of my comment but the "you still look like a woman" comment was just straight up meant to be an insult. I'd understand if he meant "you still look a bit feminine" because any guy, both cis and trans, can look feminine, and there's nothing wrong with that if that is how they choose to present themselves, and that is clearly how he's choosing to present. Also the trans guys are pretty old, they've been dealing with stuff like this their entire lives, they're probably just so used to it that they're just not effected by that stuff anymore I have more I could say but I'm tired of typing and the comment is getting pretty long, so I'll just leave it at this: trans people are valid
@@susantaulli6580 that's a complete lie, both men and women talk equally in conversations (from my experience), plus they're all men so your point is invalid anyway
As soon as he said "I could tell you weren't a man." I immediately called bs. So I asked my boyfriend, a cis-man, if he saw men when looking at the trans-men and he said yes. When I told him they were trans, he responded with "oh, that's cool! They look good." So either that guy is a psychic or he's so focused on his version of masculinity that any slip-up automatically makes one a "woman" in his eyes.
Which is insane because if we think about it, there are many cis men that are short, with high pitched voices, who struggle to grow facial hair or anything else that might be seen as "less manly" and so by their logic, they would be women I assume? But these same people are the ones who would call very well passing trans women, men, just because they found out their AGAB so honestly, can't never win, they straight up just want to be right so bad lmao.
it's funny when transphobic people say things with such confidence, even if it makes no sense. These men make me want to laugh and throw up at the same time lmao.
Bestie I agree men like this make me sick, sad, angry and at the same time I feel bad that no one taught them that their way of thinking is hurtful and very wrong
@@emmainkeri7497 My brain split in half when he said that. A natural disaster happened in my mind because I just couldn't believe he actually said that oh MY god what the fuCK does that even mean
It's was quite funny when one of the dudes said that "it becomes a problem when you try to change language" we have a lot of languages, and a lot of dead languages, how do you think we got here? Obviously to accomodate his needs we must go back to the root language, before Latin, before Anglo Saxon, way before language was even written. I'm pretty sure Anglo Saxon and Latin converged at some point to create modern day English (and other languages). Did you know that Icelandic is the closest thing to Anglo Saxon? Its so cool (just by looking).
That's what I was thinking. Humans are not the way they were many centuries ago. We evolve. These conservative men in this are stupid. Transphobes always refer to middle school biology books that they read, the things they taught then, that is oversimplified ... They do not want to educate themselves.
What I'm hearing from the conservative side -"No, I don't hate you, I just hate everything that makes you who you are, like who you love." I don't understand how someone can say statements like that with a straight face.
I really think they're just being disingenuous. They do hate them, but they don't want to look like a hater or admit to themselves that they are hateful. It's sad.
GOD YEAH IT’S INFURIATING my dad does that a lot ://// he’ll be talking about a trans person and he constantly switches between using their pronouns, misgendering them, and using they/them even though they use he or she?
It's funny because I've seen these people say, "We should use they/them because they're WOKE and won't call us out for our misgendering" but that's not factual at all.
@@ratboy2 my family doesn't respect a trans persons pronouns but they always accidentally slip up and say the correct one and its funny cause I at least know they see them as their gender they just don't want to admit it yk
The most funny part is that makeup, heels, dresses, skirts and "girly colors " all started out as men's accessories literally higher the heel the more manly they were
Yeah like skirts and the color pink and stuff lol It’s always funny when conservatives use gender stereotypes as proof that trans people aren’t valid like, it’s all made up, you can’t do that! I can wear pink if I want to, Ben Shapiro, it’s none of your business!
I've read once that what separates humans from the rest of the animal kingdom is our ability to legitimize our beliefs using contradictions. With each passing day, I believe more and more that this statement is true, or else my Autistic mind would literally blow itself up trying to comprehend why evil exists.
For real "it's okay to suffer in silence" and "men commit suicide more" said by the same guy. It leaves me baffled but it's definitely interesting to see.
@@kyradreamer4769 Oh definitely. I really get a bad feeling from him, especially because he's so calm while saying the worst things. He has trickster vibes.
As a cis man, and thus a man, I am officially allowing trans men to appropriate men, cause you're my dang bros, boys. Or men, I guess. Bros, either way.
The blk trans men definetly has the ability to take control of a room. He speaks in such a way that he demands to be listened. I think the cis blk guy felt threatened by their demeanor.
Mmm... no... don't mistake others not wanting to be rude as "backing down." Everyone knows this is a sensitive topic, no one wants to be called "phobic," and people don't want to hurt others' feelings...
If you think anyone but officer Tatum was in control of the room, you have wishful thinking. Frankly, men size each other up often by who would win in a fight. Tatum was the T-Rex in the room.
i hate with every fiber of my body hates that Buck said that he “chose” to be a male and believes that’s the same for other trans people. this also is attached to the belief that people need to present as their gender and need to transition if they’re trans or be androgynous if they’re non-binary i didn’t chose to be non-binary, i was born that way no matter my body
I also thought it was a little bit of bad wording. But as an enby, I have to say usually nb people identify the way we do due to early trauma of some kind. That doesnt make us any less valid.
@@ashlitious6624 yes i know. im also an enby lol. i just dont want people to be misinformed. it only makes the pesky bigots think they gained some brain cells.
Normal person: What if a child wants parents to be nice to them? Guy that looks like a used car salesman: Why do you need parental validation? Get internal happiness
And then they proceed to say that children NEED a mother and father figure. Children should depend on their parents when it helps their argument, but children should be "independent" when that fallacy helps them.
i mean, you heard them. psychology is obviously wrong. children don’t learn self-worth from their parents. they should just have it. and when your parents tell you, that you’re a worthless piece of 💩, it shouldn’t have an effect on you. oh wait. those are the same people who want children to respect their parents no matter what…
Masculinity is disappearing. Men wearing dresses and makeup, society saying that vaginas are a part of madhood and penises are a part of womanhood, trying to destroy biological facts and structute. Why don't you go outside and act like a normal teenager hon.
So let me guess. You're a person who supports gender freedom who is enthusiastic about a massive part of what has defined masculinity since the dawn of time being ripped away in a single generation? Do you realize how twisted and sadistic that is? Apparently you're all for addressing the suffering of the less than 1% of the population that is transgender, but you're actually enthusiastically looking forward to attaching exactly the same kind of forced conformity, ostracization, and marginalization onto typical boys that you find so harmful when done to transgender kids. You're "here for" the agony and suffering of millions of children. Congratulations.
As a trans woman I always laugh at the whole positive male role model thing. My dad was arguably the best role model a person could have, but no amount of amazing male role model would make me a man. He is a calm, nurturing, respectful, understanding, intelligent and strong man. He's a network manager and bodybuilder with the most joking, loving personality I've ever seen. With all of that said, a massive part of what made me realize I was trans was how much I looked up to him as a person, yet didn't want to actually turn out like him, no matter how amazing he is. I wanted to be calm, loving and nurturing, but I didn't want to be a man. I went to the gym with him for years and instead of looking at myself being a better looking man with pride, I met mirrors with indifference at best, and confused disgust at worse. I received compliments with dejection and I soon realized something was not right. It just blows my mind that even in 2022 people still think I somehow chose, or wanted to be trans, and that it was a result of my environment. If I could be happy turning out my dad, I would do it in a heart beat. But nothing in life brings me more dread than having to live the rest of my life as a man, no matter how much praise I would get for it.
The male role model think is an idea for men who have failed in achieving anything that really matters. Nicolas Tesla and Isaac Newton were not dads or role models, but we sing their name s everyday.
The problem is they don't understand what having gender dysphoria is. Trying to get them to understand is like trying to explain the color red to someone who is congenitally completely blind. They live a life where their mind matches their body and don't even have the remotest of conceptions what is going on. The only way the three conservatves could even understand is if we could somehow magically place them into female bodies with all the expectation on them to act like women. They would be losing it within the first week.
I felt so bad for Luckie, he literally had to bring up his sewer slide attempts just for his argument to be taken seriously😭 I almost cried at that point because I know the feeling :///
I'm sorry that you guys have to bring up something even more serious to the table to get people to just be quiet and listen to you. Not transgender or NB myself but I do have social anxiety and get triggered when I feel as though people don't take me seriously up until I snap or have a mental breakdown just so they can be quiet and stop laughing. I can't imagine what that's like for trans people, especially if you're a child in a household where you really don't have a say in anything unless your parents express a courtesy, granting you permission to do something, etc
Seriously I’m not a man but I am trans and it’s just exhausting, depressing, and infuriating how we have to pull our entire tragic backstory out every damn time we’re in a discussion with a transphobe. And then after so many of those interactions, when you just say “Fuck that” and stop coddling those people, _they_ get mad that you refuse to interact with them anymore. As if every single individual transphobe is owed your life story or else your sheer existence is invalid! Like no, jackass, my existence isn’t dependent on wasting my life, time, and energy hand-holding you through why trans people are people. Open a book. Read an article. Literally educate yourself at all.
It's real sad when your trans and have to tell your grim backstory to have any validation. Why can't people just accept others at face value...maybe in the future.
@@Nepthu Hey man, what?? It’s not like I bring it up because I want to or for attention. It’s that I literally won’t have my mental health taken seriously by the people around me unless I do. This our lives we’re talking about here, please don’t make it into some sort of misogynistic talking point.
I fucking hate that argument of "did you have a dad" because what they're REALLY saying is "did you have a dad to enforce social norms onto you". A lot of these dads feel like enforcers. Just because you're my parent, it doesn't mean you get to force me to be your double, or try to force to into being stereotypically normal and correct.
I agree, people also like to blame bad behavior on not having a father. that can impact someone’s life, but it doesn’t automatically make the person a criminal, or a gay person. and if they are a criminal or a gay person, they’re aren’t necessarily that way because they had an absent father.
Or like “Did you also have an influencer in your life that forced outdated ideaologies onto you so you could grow up with a cult-like judgemental personality and then proceed to force it onto others?”
I hear this so much as a goth and gay man. Yes, I had a very prominent dad, how tf did you think I was introduced to alternative subcultures and the LGBT community when the internet was in it's infancy???
The whole narrative of "you can change your gender" is so stupid. I can choose to take hormones and get surgeries. I don't choose who I am, I've always been a man (non binary in my case, but I identify with the label of man).
same, but opposite, I am girlflux but I label myself as a girl most of the time, I didn't choose this, god I wish I had the choice to be cis though, so I wouldn't have gone through lifetimes of pain. Fuck the choice narrative
I would really like to ask that man could he live happily as a gay man prior gay acceptance Era? When gays couldn't get married, people thought of them as perverts and subhuman... That dude really would have been just fine with being "validated from within"?
I've never needed validation from strangers or coworkers - that's what awards are for. And even then, those usually get tossed in a drawer. Does a content creator feel validated by the support in the comments or the silver button they get from TH-cam? I'd be all about the silver button. As for validation, I only sought what can be construed as the professional variety in the workplace because I'm damn competitive, and then, to be boastful with my buddies who are just as competitive in whatever they do. As for my buddies, they wouldn't be my buddies if whatever you feel validation means, was what they think it means. After writing this comment, I have to say, I have no idea what your definition is. I know if children are raised well, they get all the validation they need from their parents and family...
I’m in middle school and we literally just learned in health they every human needs love (not just romantic) and validation. So I can confirm, very bs.
“Women feel as if they don’t need men and that’s the problem here.” ah yes the fact that I am a human being and can therefore live by myself without a man is such problem. this shit is so funny omg
They want women to need them but then insult women as weaker and men as superior. They want women to be traditional and "need men" just so that the woman would more readily agree to becoming their glorified housekeeper, not because they actually respect what traditional women do.
Women need men. Men need women. That is how humans survive. Laugh all you want but at the end of the day, conservative women are more happy in their lives than you.
@@RYCH3 Ok. Lonely bAtch. I never said that we don't need each other. I was saying how these self proclaimed "traditional" men don't actually respect a woman's work. They want a woman to need them but are in denial that they rely on women too in a relationship. I'm all for ppl needing each other but more often than not the wife just end up in an unrewarding role of a servant without pay and get disrespected for asking more money because its not hers but also not allowed to decide for herself to earn money or if they do, they have to become both a breadwinner and housekeeper. They forget they need to meet their end of the bargain and be a traditional man too. Just because they can't afford a traditional wife doesn't make the traditional wife a gold digger or not needing men. Plus, single people exist, gay couples exist and they are doing okay. Calm down. I'm not saying that traditional is bad, I'm just saying we should start making sure traditional housewives are respected for what they do and their contributions to the family unit.
"Denying basic human facts like there being two genders" that's literally not even a fact. The person who said this is using "gender" in place of "sex" which still makes them wrong. It is amazing how many of these "basic biology" transphobes just straight up admit to not knowing about intersex people. I also love (hate actually) how Gilbert tried his absolute hardest to not use his trans friend's pronouns. Honestly it feels a lot more disrespectful to say something like "I just won't play into that delusion and narrative" than most other arguments transphobes make. Edit: Gilbert also seems to get a shit-eating grin whenever he thinks he's pulling up with a gotcha question when in reality he is just spouting nonsense that no one argues.
@@markymarksthirdnipple8305 They always say basic biology, because that's all the biology they know: misleading oversimplifications(lies) told to children. None of them understand it on an advanced level.
it's a fact, human gender only reproduces between male and female, unless you are an animal is an animal or a bacteria to which some can reproduce asexually then yes, there are only 2 reproductive genera in the human species
Progressive person who grew up in the church here- where does it say that prescriptively? Not trying to defend religion I just want to know if I've missed something
@@antheaempson8735 Daniel 2:43, Deuteronomy 7:3, Ezra 9:2 (this one is ESPECIALLY blatant in its racism), Genesis 28:1, and Jeremiah 13:23 (not marriage related but still pretty damn racist.) There are a lot of verses implying interracial marriage is good, but that's all New Testament stuff, cause Jesus dying apparently made that okay all of a sudden. Nothing like a dad killing his son to solve a problem HE caused.
I’m sorry but men DO NOT get to speak on the male suicide rate while simultaneously perpetuating the very ideas that cause that male suicide rate. That pissed me off!
The only men who get to talk about it are the people whom suffered with those mentalities and thoughts and the people who are trained to. Not the people who are the direct cause of it.
The fact that you just declared what an entire group should do, whose experience you do not share, is part of the problem. We're constantly shamed for the random circumstance of our birth, and told all our lives that we're the cause of every problem in the world and personally responsible for every crime committed by any other random male. I've been right to the ledge of suicide, and I'm only still here because one woman refused to let me give up. So I *can* and *will* speak on male suicide, regardless of whether you or anyone else thinks I'm 'woke' enough to. Oh, and if you think only men contribute to this vicious cycle, then you're clearly not here for an honest conversation.
@MeltedVelveeta CheeseSauce Atheists have historically acted a lil quirked up sometimes tho 😬 but overall, theocracies r bad & non separation of church&state is dumb!
I'm trans and gay and I'm barely 13. It's terrifying to live in a world where my rights are taken away for something I cannot control. I'm pre-everything, I've only ever told a few friends, my parents don't know. Validation from family members and friends are so important because without my friends being by my side, I probably wouldn't even be here.
I hope things for us change in the future, our rights won't be a political debate anymore and kids like u don't have to worry about such serious things as ur rights.
I know everything sucks and especially at your age and it doesn't seem like it right now, but things are improving. The reason that we are seeing people pushing back so much on trans rights is because trans voices are finally getting heard and those in power hate seeing minority groups gain strength. When I was your age I had no idea there was such a thing as trans people and I'm only 28 now. Things have changed so much recently for the better and it's easy to see all the negative, but that's because people are resistant to change and to what they don't know. If we stay positive and keeping looking up, they will never win. I'm also writing this comment for myself just as much as I am for you. It's so easy to see what's going wrong in the world, but there's also so much going right. There are so many people on your side and our voices are loud and getting louder.
I think after I found the community, especially at a young age, It hit me that I had a place to go when I fellt like no one else would listen. Every time I would cry about being alone and not being accepted, even though the darkest times, I knew I would have a place to go, and even it's not entirely perfect, I just feel so lucky.
Something I wish the trans men had brought up is that when your parents deny your reality, it affects the love you have for them, and the love that you perceive they have for you. It shows that their love is no longer unconditional, their support isn't unconditional. Coming out at 13 and being told to wait until I'm 18, has done nothing. At nearly 19 they still deny it, and that has put a massive strain on our relationship. I can't disconnect my transness from myself, so to have that part of me dismissed, seen as a joke, it told me as a child that a huge part of who I am doesn't matter. I wish there was a way to make cis people understand the impact of this without sounding sensitive or 'feminine' for having these emotional experiences.
It was painfully frustrating watching this. When they wouldn’t stop saying that shit about outside validation it drove me up a wall. I am trans and I like myself! Those guys don’t understand that the lack of validation is not at all the same as constant invalidation. You’re not just refusing to specifically validate me. You’re choosing to actively invalidate me. And they don’t even see it
@@agstinacueva1673 It makes me feel so worried for him, that he genuinely believes he cannot get support. And in the same breath, says "Men commit suicide more than women"... perhaps because you believe "suffering in silence" is normal?
“It’s ok to suffer in silence” SIR THAT IS TOXIC- Please never bottle up feelings because other ppl told you so in order to be a “man”, it never works as you can see in the world bottling up feelings never works (also be who you want, men like this shouldn’t dictate what you think, ppl should be accepted no matter what:)
"Suffer in silence" the big strong conservative Christian male says.... THEN he says something along the lines of "there's a reason there's a higher suicide rate for men"....yeah...because you're conditioned to suffer in silence....Jesus, it almost makes me feel bad for him if he didn't act like a brick wall when it came to something as natural as homosexuality
@@spider-woman9482 and he said it so confidently too💀like does he even hear himself? He sounded stupid and it’s simply because he doesn’t understand. Because he doesn’t understand and doesn’t want to understand he uses points that sound awful and not even valid, but that’s a conservative Christian male for ya!🤠
I mean, I guess it depends on the issue, at least for me. I'm incredibly emotional and sometimes I'll cry over mundane things, so for me I have to pick and choose what I can and cannot talk about. I can't expect me stubbing my toe to carry as much weight as me experiencing something traumatic
He also listed men commit sewer side more and doesn't connect the dots that the toxicity he accepts and forces on men is killing them. How you gonna take care of a family "like you should" when you suffer in silence sending you to an early grave? Make it make sense or finally grow a backbone and let this sht go.
@@ThexDynastxQueen no fr, like, it’s really not that hard to realize, hmm maybe the reason why men unalive themselves is BECAUSE we make them do toxic things to themselves in order to be “manly”……… he clearly knows it’s apart of the reason but like you said he just needs to grow a back bone and realize what men like him are teaching is wrong!
IF THAT MAN LOOKED AT ME AND SAID “if i saw you in the street i wouldn’t think you were a man” YOU WOULD HAVE TO HOLD ME DOWN. that man is crazy i’m pissed off even here
Literally none of them look feminine or like women in the slightest, so it’s hilarious that like all of them have facial hair and he had the audacity to be like “yup, those are women”
@@yupok8425 For real, it’s the audacity that gets me. Like, I could say I’m a trans woman and they’d say I’m a man… when in reality I’m afab and non-binary. But they sure as shit would insist I’m ”obviously a man”
as someone born a women and still identifies as a woman but who's always been sort of a "tomboy", being confused for the other gender hurts no matter the context. I remember being like 10 and having short hair and being mistaken as a boy in public and it felt bad cus I KNEW I was a woman, but I just liked my hair short cus it's more convenient for me. In fact you could argue that having more of a tomboyish appearance at a young age doesn't "turn you" trans, as the older sister who's more "boyish" I always played the prince when me and my sister played prince and princess; but I'm a woman at heart and anatomically. a child acting more masculine or looking more masculine doesn't always mean they're questioning or are trans, they could just be more comfy in boy clothes cause they are more loose fitting or they don't want to have to brush their hair in the morning.
I'm very feminine always have been. But I also knew for a long time that I don't see myself as a girl or woman and am currently saving up for top surgery and after that going on HRT and stil plan on wearing more feminine clothing. Because clothes are just fabric to cover our bodies it is not gendered!
That's interesting. I have an experience of being a tomboyish girl and the thought of being mistaken for a boy never bothered me, but i also didn't think it was possible. In my early twenties i cut my hair short and suddenly every shop I went to or other public spaces ppl started referring to me as sir. I was a bit confused about how that's possible, partly amused and partly excited. I never corrected anyone and it was quite entertaining to see ppl trying to figure out who they're speaking to. Im not a man. Intellectually I know I'm a woman but I don't really feel like one. I'm trying to present some feminity because I got extremely tired of people (both family and random stragners) commenting on my appearance at all times when it turns out im a woman. The audacity of some people is really shocking, the moment you step out of their idea how people in general should be they'll let you know, and not very politely at that. Women are meant to be pretty after all, what you're doing isn't making you pretty:) (that's the bottom line of these comments) It's interesting to see a perspective of somebody with a strong sense of identity and I love to see the breaking of stereotypes. Some forget that masculine and feminine traits are just that, traits and even though there are general tendencies they can appear in a person of the opposite sex cause theres always going to be outliers. And clothes worn are just that - clothes. As you said, they won't magically entice a person to change their gender or want to transition. Sometimes I think it's more convenient for a certain group of ppl to believe that if a girl or woman is boyish she must be trans, because how can there possibly exist women that aren't the way they imagine women should look and act like, they're certainly not "real women" 🫠 the hypocrisy of that paired with "external changes don't define person's sex or gender, biology is the most important" and then sqeauling about somebody putting on some rags that aren't aligned with the traditional gender expression is ridiculous xD
I once had someone diminish my fears of being hate crimed as 'being worried about what people think of me'. The guy victim blaming people for not being able to brush off transphobia has similar energy.
People tend to have a delusion that their outside surroundings don't matter, that only what they believe matters. It felt good when one of them said that it was bullshit, because it is. What people view you as does matter to a certain extent. It shouldn't be the most important thing of course, but to say that other people's perception of you doesn't matter is false. No man is an island. It's not about being empowered, it's about living in a world where people either see you as a freak, a pretender, or something worse.
@@machinaowl910 in my experience, if your close ones are doing a great job at respecting and validating you, then you can handle the perceptions of the outside world. Saying that you don’t need your parental approval and support at a young age is BS. You can overcome it eventually, but it’ll fuck with you for a while.
@@Yo_blob I'm nonbinary and I know most people at work won't use my pronouns, so I haven't come out to them, but I know I always have my friends who know and respect my pronouns.
That guy is so completely unaware of the constant validation and reaffirmation he has been receiving since birth. He can't conceive of not having those.
3:08 You can see how Gilbert was trying not to use pronouns by saying “my friend” every time pronouns would be used, but still ended up using “their” to refer to this person. He tried so hard not to use their real pronouns just to end up using gender neutral ones. LGBT-1 Conservatives-0 (Yes, I understand that this is not ideal. I just thought it was funny that he would most likely be against calling someone “they” if that is what they went by, but decided he would rather call his friend “they” than their actual pronouns in this case)
I don’t know to me it seems like he did that one purpose. And even if didn’t using they does not automatically mean that they are intentionally using non-gender specific pronouns. Not sure about you but most people use they without even thinking about even when they fall into a gender so to me this isn’t a “win” for the lgbt side necessarily. And it helps to kinda bridge the gap between both sides because it allows Gilbert to talk about his friend in a way that makes them hopefully both feel somewhat comfortable. Is ideal? No. But it allows these two people with opposing beliefs to move on and talk about things out side of gender and develop a friendship. I feel like this a good way for conservatives who don’t believe in changing of gender to go about this and I would be happy to see more of this as opposed to international mis-gendering them. I understand that this might not work for all Tran people but it does seem like a kind of middle ground.
“I don’t use my friends pronouns, so I’ll just say ‘my friend’ or ‘their’ name because i don’t want to give into the narrative that ‘they’ want” bro imagine owning yourself and not even realizing
“‘I’ don’t use ‘my’ friends pronouns, so I’ll just say ‘my’ or ‘their’ name because ‘I’ don’t want to give into the narrative that ‘they’ want” …like yeah, ok bro
I started my transition when I was ten. I am 16 now and started hormones early this year. No, my parents didn't give me hormones blockers when I was ten, they put me in therapy and it's been a long 5/6 years. Starting hormones is a long process, they didn't just give me the hormones because I simply asked.
As a 22 yo pre-everything transman who as known since the age of 15 (starting late in July due to being cut off completely since I was 15) I must say that I am now unable cry. Only pure rage and determination remain.
Suffering in silence is absolutely terrible and men need to know it is ok to break down in front of their families. You 👏Are👏 A👏 Person 👏Not 👏A 👏Machine
Or maybe it's because people keep perpetuating the myth that we're all mindless, violent beasts who are responsible for all the bad things in life. I've had 3 serious breakdowns, and the only person I was ever a threat to was myself. In fact, I'm only still here because one woman realized I was about to kill myself and refused to let me. We're constantly shamed for the random circumstance of our birth, and we're expected to fit an ever-changing postmodernist narrative about what we 'should' be -- while still being despised for maleness regardless. We aren't threatened by trans men or trying to keep them out of' our space' -- you get to situations like this video because some males get fed up with being denigrated all the time, and get tired of hearing from moronic activists chirping about us 'all going extinct' and being replaced by trans men. None of that excuses violence at all; a male who hits a female doesn't deserve to walk among us. I'm just trying to give you a glimpse of what it's like to live in a culture that scapegoats you for everything, and then uses your emotional response to that as 'proof' of your 'toxicity.'
@@sandwichbreath0 btw.(If this is in any way towards me*****) I might be a postmodernist but I do not support the said activists from your statement nor the statement:"Kill all men". Just to clear things up :). My first comment is based on my perspective of MOST men I've encountered or observed throughout my life here on earth :).
I'm nonbinary, my son is extremely gender neatural ( by choice ), he's 8. he picks out pride stuff, likes " girly " colors, and tends to dress very out of the box. Rainbow is one of his FAVORITE things. but he's confident in being a boy. I never set gender stereotypes for my kids, my son has really long hair and people even in my family bully him to get a haircut all the time, he declines. He gets mistaken for a girl ALOT because he has more androgenous features. But if my son came to me as a teenager and told me he wanted to transition, other than any type of surgery, I'd agree. Hormones can be reversed, but the issue with the word " transition " is there is quite a few stages to it. If my son was to go on hormones, change his pronouns, and then didn't feel okay about it, it's reversible.I don't see why this is a big argument. Let kids be kids man, let them choose their path. All we're supposed to do as parents is love and support them, not cage them and make them who we want. It's like the " what if your kid came out gay " when I was in HS, like... just love them anyways or your a crap parent.
We actually do not know if hormone blockers are reversible. Please be cautious. Here is what the NHS says: "Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria. Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be. It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations." They do not know if these things are reversible or what damage it can be doing. This generation is the test. Don't let your child be a guinea pig.
@@jacklemahemthey aren't confused and their son still identifies as being a boy, he just likes some things that aren't considered masculine. And even if their kid ends up being trans, that doesn't make someone confused
as a minor transgender man, being able to transition at a young age quite literally saved me from suicide. they often say think of the children while disregarding how dangerous and ravaging gender dysphoria can be.
It’s kind of annoying that everyone points out their own experience like they are the rule for how everyone else is, and think their experience should be taken as “evidence” of something
I kind of transitioned socially and the reason I say kind of is because no one in my house supports me they say they do but they still dead name me and everything. But at school with my friends support me and if it wasn't for them I would have committed $u!c!d3. If people don't start realizing that that is one of the main reasons that the $u!c!d3 rate among trans people is so high it's not going to get better
SPEAKING AS A PARENT: Kids NEED validation from their parents, it's part of our JOB as parents to make sure our children feel loved and accepted. And affirming our kids when it comes to sexual orientation, gender, and/or expression is VITAL for our kids' well-being!!! It's honestly just lazy parenting to keep pretending your kids are whatever you want them to be, instead of actually listening to them.
Thank you...finally, a healthy parent who loves their child unconditionally and never harms or neglects them....I don't see why these people, (and these conservative toxic males) had kids in the first place. Why do you want to spend 20 years minimum of your life raising another human being just for them to believe and value the same shit that you do...and to sweep their problems under the rug and go "seek validation within yourself"...that plastic surgery looking dude was either trying to win his argument or he genuinely believes a DEVELOPING CHILD does not need affirmation of validation from ANYONE, even within their blood and their own bloody household (turned British there lmao)
My mother told me that i wasn’t bisexual, and that my friends left me because i was a f*****. She also told me that all my friends were f*****s and not to be trusted because they were trying to make me gay, and they were evil. When she found me crying in my room 8 months later, i told her it was because of her aforementioned actions. Then she took back only one of her statements. She said “you can be what ever you want to be.” I honestly believe that she had zero intention of taking it back, because other times she would just walk into my room, tell me that i hated her, and i should stop being depressed. Then she’d fall asleep on my bed while I continued talking to my friends. I still haven’t forgiven her. She still thinks the same way, and I don’t think that will change.
@@bebble985 I’m sorry that you’re mom has such an awful way of parenting. I hope that you can one day leave that toxic environment, and find refuge in some well meaning friends, or some other, more accepting family ❤️
They say 87% of kids who think their trans grow out of it. Why validate it, they most likely grow out of it. If you give them puberty blockers and hormones, it becomes permanent.
“DNA doesn’t change”? Our DNA is constantly changing! Gene expression can also be affected by many things besides the DNA sequences. Have those guys never heard of epigenetics?
I doubt a single one of those conservatives has a genuine functional understanding of the genetics involved in sexual development. Every single one of them likely has a elementary school level of underanding "XX is girl, XY is boy!". As if the whole thing centers simply on what chromosome is present.
Also just- as a cis woman who had a hysterectomy I'm always baffled by how often transphobes boil it down to "you have these parts" etc- do they realize hysts are one of the most common surgeries and how many cis women walk around with no uterus, no ovaries, and taking hormones? Do they invalidate us? No they effing dont
Sometimes I’ll ask the “I believe in biology and XX XY chromosomes” folks how many variations of XY have been discovered, and they never respond. Interesting how the “it’s science” group don’t understand science
As another cis woman who had a hysterectomy (only things left are ovaries), I totally agree. Although the bigots will probably just counter that argument with, "Well you were BORN with a uterus and ovaries" etc etc. It's like, yeah, so what? There are trans women out there who present way more feminine than I do, who also don't have uteruses and have just as much oestrogen in their system as me, it doesn't make them any less a woman.
@@Tamara-id1pe "the “it’s science” group don’t understand science": True, and they conveniently forget science that is more complex than 3rd grade (elementary) stuff.
@@iidentifyasjeffbezos "some women are unfortunate": There is nothing fortunate about having certain body parts and as you can see by the medical advancements, most of those organs can be replaced if necessary. "Exceptions don't make it the rule": Yes, they do. That's exactly how it works. "you don't bleed or female born, then you're a fake human being": Lmfao, what? Are you denying the existence of men and the fact that women bleed if they injure themselves?
@@07Flash11MRC Yes it's unfortunate for some women because they would have loved to have child bearing organs, it's also unfortunate for poor women who can't get these surgeries & trans women who are too poor to under go trans surgery. So yes it's all unfortunate for some people. Just bc few Women don't have uterus doesn't give any one else the right to say they want to cut their penis off and become a woman, just bc few Women can't give birth doesn't automatically make anyone who can't give birth a woman, there's literally no sense in that, if so then all men are already women. There's no need for any distinction anymore. Let me explain it to you again Just because some women don't bleed & get their period DOESN'T EQUAL to a man who doesn't have periods to say he's a woman too. It's not the same thing, you don't have a uterus because you're a man, she's a woman with no uterus or she simply has a "problem", trans women were healthy men, so you can't really compare the two. Some women don't breast feed because they have fake boobs, that doesn't mean a man with boobs can point and say "look, she can't break feed too, we are both the same, if one of us isn't a woman then non of us are" just because Betty decided to get breast implants doesn't make you a woman, just because some women can't give birth doesn't make you a woman. Betty was bio born, with some altercations. You can still out fight Betty in strength & speed. If you've had any plastic surgery that wasn't life threatening then yes you are a fake bodied person. Trans women and men are man made, silicone, plastic, fake. Trans people are fake people & people are people, you can't just decide what u are when nature is against it. I hear trrans women torn 😿 keeps closing up like an injured piercing, that's nature speaking up. You're wasting ur time arguing with me, I simply just think trans women are not on the same platue as women, I mean look at how they are dominating women's sport, that's no coincidence. There's a difference between trans men/women and men/women, deny that all you want and cry yourself to sleep while doing so.
They’d end up getting into chromosomes, I bet, and at that point they’d refuse to acknowledge that you have to get tests done to even know for sure what chromosomes you have
I'm awaiting the day when chromosomes are investigated and can no longer be used in an argument against trans people. There is one case of a trans man's chromosomes not being completely female.
I love the point of "okay, so if we have a man who was born with a penis, and he has a horrific accident, and now has his penis taken off in said accident, is he no longer a man? What if he has XX chromosomes but never knew? Is he not a man?"
These biology-based arguments that some transphobes use to justify their opinions annoy the hell out of me. I want to study biology in uni, and find biology really interesting (so I am in no way an expert), but transphobes often reduce the entire field to what they've been taught in middle school. There's like, so much nuance in sex and gender, and it's sadly ignored. (Sorry for the mini rant)
@@marianmeletlidiscrap Yes, there is plenty of nuance. However, a few basic things have to be understood and accepted. First of all, why do we have sex in the first place? For procreation. Period. In the human species, we are sexually dimorphic, meaning we come in 2 distinct forms: male and female. We are also anasogamous, meaning we procreate by the uniting of the large, non-motile gametes produced by the females and the small, motile gametes produced by the males. VERY strictly speaking, in biology, ALL small gamete producing members of a species are referred to as "male" and all large gamete producing members are referred to as "female". For example, sea horses are a species where the males give birth. Yet, they are still referred to as "male" because they produce the small, motile gametes. From a strictly biological perspective, humans aren't much more complicated than that. However, differences in sex development (DSDs, often referred to as "intersex") cause some individuals to go slightly "off track" on the way to developing the anatomy and functioning to produce either large or small gametes. This does not make them "between" male or female, nor does it make any of them a true hermaphrodite (no such thing has ever been observed in the human species). The vast majority of humans with DSDs are very definitely male or female but because of ambiguous genitalia, it may take a DNA test to determine what the official situation is. Either way, there is no 3rd gamete and no 3rd procreative function in humans therefore no 3rd sex. As far as gender goes, I'm not sure any biological basis for gender has even been explained. We would have to find whatever mechanism in the brain causes one to feel an incongruance between their internal sense of self and the outward anatomy of their dimorphically sexed body. That hasn't been discovered yet. In other words, no one knows what causes gender dysphoria. It would be interesting, and possibly incredibly helpful to those who suffer from gender dysphoria to know what truly causes it. Perhaps we could develop a way to predict for sure when medical transition will definitely give the best outcome for the mental health of an individual.
Buck made me sad. i loved seeing the older trans representation. But the pick me attitude and the basically confirming of antitrans misinformation is so sad. Hormone blockers are literally reversable. Thats like the whole point. And preventing puberty for kids can make the difference between life and death. The actual treatment for gender dysphoria IS TRANSITION. It can save a life and it makes me so sad. Also, Buck referring to himself as transexual is also hard to hear. That was transphobic term GIVEN to trans people in older generations. I'm so upset at this all but its so important to discuss.
Horomone blockers are not known to be reversible. The NHS used to display on their website that horomone blockers are reversible, they have since removed this. Here is what they say: "Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria. Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be. It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations." In other words, they don't know. Kids on these drugs now are the guinea pigs.
I’ve watched his channel and he uses a lot of TERF points and thinks that the trans community is a “cult” and doesn’t think non-binary aren’t trans. He interviews a lot of detransitioners and uses them and intersex peoples arguments to argue against younger trans people transitioning.
for real though. the people trying to dismiss and invalidate by saying you don't shouldn't want external validation is desperately dripping for external validation
Orange Man with Botox: “WE as a society need to empower children!” Also Orange Man with Botox: “You should only have validation from within, you shouldn’t need the people closest to you to empower you!” All this while massively invalidating trans people. It’s honestly impressive.
And whether you need validation from others or not, that still doesn't excuse someone saying horrible things to you and comments that are invasive or personal. If a transphobe starts misgendering someone and says "you shouldn't need my validation of your gender, validation comes from within", that still doesn't excuse what they said .
@@dovee1 The other part that this dumb guy doesn’t even realize is that CIS people can suffer the invalidation of their gender just as much as trans people. I was kinda frustrated that nobody pointed this out. It was so glaringly painful for me to see that man talk about how being trans (which he defines as an ideology or belief system, which is dumb in itself) is the belief that your gender must be validated by other people. That is how ALL gender is validated, for trans and cis people. If a cis woman were to be called a man, and people called her by he/him, she would be invalidated as a woman by society, and possibly feel demeaned and degraded and, yes, “devalued”. If a cis man were to be called a woman, and people referred to him by she/her, he would also feel these same things. And this DOES happen! Cis women have been insulted by being called too masculine, and cis men have been insulted by being called too feminine, this isn’t an issue isolated to trans people. Gender is a societal perception for many, and especially for the cis. Gender requires validation of other people for many. And of course, this is just one type of view on gender, as many people believe gender is internally whatever you feel and it doesn’t matter what other people think, but even to the logic of this conservative that “being trans is to be worried about other people’s perceptions and that is unhealthy” is insane because that’s not what it means to be trans… that’s what it means to be a human who operates in a society that gives you roles. This happens with age too, where you can be called old when you are actually young, or called young when you’re actually older. This happens with race, especially multiracial or adoptees who do not fit the prescribed “social role” given by their society. All identity is intended to require validation, otherwise we cannot signal our identity to others. It would be great to live in a society where you didn’t have to care about what people thought about your age, race, gender, or whatever and just be treated with respect no matter what, but that is not the society we live in and it’s so insane to say trans people should just not attempt to integrate into society, especially when these same conservatives ridicule transgender people for not WANTING to integrate into society.
Oh my god middle ground. I love these videos but oh my god. "Appropriating Men". Harry Styles is singlehandedly erasing manhood Also that one guy: I'm not transphobic, I have a trans man friend but also I fucking hate them (misgendering) and I don't think they deserve respect
As a Harry Styles fan, everytime they say that stuff I'm like...he isn't AT ALL though...like I love and support the things he's doing but he's hardly an activist 😅
The only person I see as erasing gender is the streamer Eret, she posted a pic of themselves wearing these extraordinary boots and I lost my mind. He looked mind-bogglingly fabulous and I'm sure she would have the bigots confused.
@@avoidantbehavior bro you are so obsessed lol how i’m the world does this effect you so badly that you feel the need to leave multiple comments under one video abt jt
I think transphobes care more about what's in my pants than I do even fr. It's bananas. Also the dressing like a dude until middle school cause kids are mean was just straight up me. I had the sharpest suit outfit that I loved until I was made fun of too much.
"We at jubilee encourage empathy and ask that you see the humanity in everyone on our show. Now watch as we don't interfere while conservatives harass trans people for half and hour straight"
Something about standing back while an oppressor harasses those that they oppress for content and views rubs me the wrong way. It’s so uncomfortable 🤨 Edit: idk if that’s just my opinion as a trans person, but I felt kind of sick watching the video
@@zach7877 I feel you, as a genderfluid who has yet to come out ans hasn't experienced any backlash of what I am except for those rogue thoughts in my own mind this video definitely pissed me off and mad my stomach hurt. I spent most of this video pausing the screen and talking to myself about how much I hate people who try to invalidate the trans experience. Edit: Genderfluid teen.
Also, Gilbert shouldn’t call himself a friend to the trans “friend” he has, a real friend respects that person even when they don’t agree with it, it’s simply basic human decency, “ I don’t wanna play into illusions” SHUT UP, it’s not an illusion, this is another HUMAN BEING TRYING TO LIVE LIFE, it’s so easy to be respectful, almost too easy, Gilbert is a horrible friend and I hope his friend realizes this and ends that relationship.
Literally, Gilbert can go suck it. He's incredibly arrogant while also showing a shocking amount of ignorance, whioe still trying to seem "holy-er than thou". He's not a friend to that trans man, he's a douche and I hope that his pal drops him quickly. ESPECIALLY after seeing this!
Definitely hope the “friend” has already long written Gilbert off but in a “I don’t wanna hurt anyone’s feelings and you’re… not throwing slurs so I’ll just… not talk to you if you don’t talk to me” And Gilbert is just too ignorant to grasp that they’re not actually friends
@@DeathnoteBB right, it’s just so rude of a person to not respect you though and call you delusional because you realized that you were transgender, I really hate people like Gilbert he gets on my nerves
@@asherjohanson5170 fr, he did it in the video specifically mentioning he had a friend who was transgender to see as if he wasn’t homophobic but then calls it “delusions” mhm so not homophobic (the sarcasm)
" I love people who can express themselves, we live in America, i love that people are living their best lives" also him like some minutes ago "yes i dont see you a s a man though" " IF YOU SIT ON THE FLOOR YOURE A WOMAN AWOOGAAGGA" " MASCULINITY IS DISAPPEARING " " IF YOURE A MAN INTERNALIZE YOUR FEELING YESSSSS" seems kinds contradictory doesnt it.... im in pain because of this video actually
as a single parent of a transgender teen: THANK YOU! these videos help me to understand and support my child better, i don't feel alone in my struggles. it's so hard to go through the process with school, doctors, therapists and legal issues. i just want my child to be happy and i have a hard time seeing them suffer. (i had to pause this video frequently and take a break since the presented 'arguments' are just so ignorant)
as a trans person thank you for trying to better understand your child. having a supportive parent helped me become a happy and successful person. wishing the best for you and your child.
Just don’t let the rhetoric of “would you prefer as trans child or deceased child “ emotional blackmail to cloud your judgement. It’s sick on kids and parents and the monsters perpetuating that should be brought to justice. I’m trans, I have a few trans friends and none of us went down that route and most don’t , sure , your child might feel unhappy but don’t let the worst case scenario influence you. Push back is okay and a good thing. Let’s us know if it something we truly do want or not. Were you always happy? Probably not. But you got through it. Back in 2000 as a 16 year old I felt so alone, nobody understood, I didn’t understand. There’s was a lot of pressure to not transition. I was ostracised , punched, spat on, berated. Still here though. Being a kid sucks , moody teenagers are well documented. To quote the princess bride “ life is pain “. If your kid truly is gender dysphoric, it’s a natural endpoint for them to transition. Let them make that choice as an adult. Mummy doing everything for them will only stunt their growth. I backed out 4 times. It’s a very serious decision. I made it to 31 before I eventually took that leap but I was ready. Detransition is massively on the rise, I’d hate for someone to make the wrong decision. Being supportive and affirming can have negative consequences. But nobody wants to talk about that.
@@christinaedwards5084 thank you for explaining your POV. but i will always support my child, we talked a lot for over a year and are still talking, transition is not going to happen soon unfortunately, my child (17) is suffering rn and waiting for psychiatric treatment in a clinic and after that has to see a therapist for 6 month before even be considered for transitioning. so i will be with her every step of the way
Actually i think they have mother issues because they are likely gay women right? because they attract women? or might want to attract women? please prove me wrong
As a woman who is very independent, asexual, and has always had a preference for men's fashion/hobbies, I have never understood the biology = gender argument. It makes no sense. My sex being female did not make me like having long hair, wearing feminine clothes, wearing makeup and nails... My super short hair has even caused me to get addressed as sir sometimes. But I don't feel pulled toward any gender. I just ended up liking whatever I like and I live my life. That's it. My sex had absolutely nothing to do with what colors, fashion, hairstyle, etc. I enjoy. What we determine to be feminine and masculine is a social construct (not biology like they got mixed up in the video). This was so aggravating to watch, like why can't we just mind our own business.
@@ethannicolazdavidson6674 does that mean you just don't wanna live like them (even though they wasn't offering?) or does that mean you don't think they can exist like that?-
Biology IS gender; the mistake is in thinking being born a certain sex necessarily means you have to adopt gender ROLES traditionally assigned to your sex. It's completely possible to be a girl in a girl's body who wants short hair and doesn't like pink or dolls. It's completely possible to be a masculine woman; it doesn't mean you have to cut off your breasts and get a hysterectomy jut because you behave in a way atypical you your sex/gender.
The guy who’s saying being a man is hiding yourself just to be the tough guy has had more mental breakdowns in the shower than god can count I can promise you.
"I don't believe in homosexuality"
Is not a religion 💀💀💀
lmaoooo
Actually I regret to inform you that it is in fact a religion, in the name of Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, and Barbra Streisand, gaymen. 🙏🏼
@Isabella B that isn't even confirmed to be the son of some guy thought to be somewhere which everyone thinks
i was looking for this comment. as a christian i apologize for these “men”. there’s a difference between faith/believes and scientific facts that they obviously don’t understand 🤦♀️
I think that's the irritating thing about debating with these people tbh. People, sometimes even LGBT people, are willing to throw them a bone because "well it's just what they believe so you can't force this onto them". They think that I and other guys are gross or immoral for being into men but they want to be polite about it. I don't understand how some LGBT people can listen to people say that and still be like "well we can still be friends". A trans person being friends with a transphobic person feels weird to me because they don't even acknowledge such a huge part of your life, and they think you're playing pretend. I'd probably want someone else to be my friend in that case lol. "I don't judge you, I just think you're gross and you're doing something wrong" which is a judgment in and of itself.
ah yes the four conservative genders:
basic biology, gay, slightly agreeable, and "well i still see you as a woman"
The fifth conservative gender: "it's the government/media's fault!"
Sobbing
DDFGDEGJEDFHED
the bgsw community!
i love your pfp
Ah, yes. Before transitioning, I was a typical female - always had to roll around on the floor and cry. But after pumping myself with Testosterone™️, I’m happy to say I can now cry standing using my big manly legs!
🤣
ah yes, the anti emotion Testosterone Pump
this just took me out
🤣🤣🤣 haven't laughed this hard in so long
the trademark 😭🤚
This guy: “Male suicide rates are so high”
Also this guy: “its okay to suffer in silence”
…okay mate.
yeah... and thats why male suicide rates are so high,...
We get ridiculed by people for having "issues" with anything!
That also contributes to suicide.
You should hear him talk about black men and the police. And yes of course he’s a former cop.
@@nightlydrugs6927 😞
Also, men only succeed at killing themselves more than women do. Equal amounts of men and women try to kill themselves, but men tend to use methods that are more likely to work (things like stabbing or shooting) and women tend to use methods that they are more likely to recover from (e.g. purposely overdosing on drugs)
To quote my father, "If a man is that touchy about their masculinity, that they are scared to do things or won't act like a caring human being. Then they aren't real men. They're still little boys trying to appear tough in front of their friends."
yeah, the correlation to masculinity should be not the surface level that men are big, strong, tough, and fight, but rather the real reasons why they would ever need to do that, which is to protect and care for others, but of course, out of necessity there is no need.
Your dad sounds awesome!
Or a closeted trans woman doing a really good job of acting. 😉 Your dad hit the nail on the head.
@@emilytrott lol nah he's not trans. He just didn't have a toxic male influence growing up 😁 His dad wasn't around and when he was the dude wasn't a masculine jerk either. So yeah
That is an aMAZING QUOTE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
“Women feel as if they don’t need men and that’s the problem here.” I’m laughing so hard omg
why feel needed when you can feel WANTED
@@SupraMan38 this is the comment right here folks
@@wendyjohnson4345 i'm a lesbian.
@@wendyjohnson4345 not everyone thinks like you wendy. We can perfectly live alone(well, some of us can). Nobody said that women that dont want to marry in the future hate men as a whole. What in the world-
@@wendyjohnson4345 'People in society need each other, varied skills and aptitudes included' vs 'women need to admit they need men' are separate topics. I agree with the first. I'm still disappointed at society for making me, as a man, inadvertedly selfish and entitled by overimposing the latter.
“It’s ok to suffer in silence.” No it is not. It’s honestly dangerous to keep suffering without getting any help. I’ve done it before and nearly killed myself over it.
And he has the audacity to state that more men commit suicide, like no shit Sherlock! Might wanna look into that correlation... smh
its why men commit suicide the most. it's sad fr
this >> I thought the exact same thing while watching this, it's extremely unhealthy and dangerous.
Same…
@@zachman5150 that has nothing to do with it lol. That wasn't what he was saying. He was saying that holding it in is the reason why men do it more. No one was talking about women doing it.
As a trans guy who did have an abusive father who ultimately got arrested and passed away, when my first therapy asked me if I was trying to be my father I was physically repulsed. My father had nothing to do with me being transgender, I was even hesitant to physically transition cause I was terrified of looking like him, my father and the fear of being like him almost made me NOT transition. Having a bad father figure does not "turn kids trans" and having a bad home life can actually stop someone from socially or medically transitioning
The problem with cause and effect is, how can you really know? We can´t possibly know how we were affected by our upbringing as a child, we were not consciously aware of the influence then, and we can´t simply ´remember´. To simply dismiss the influence of upbringing is as silly and short sighted as claiming upbringing is the only determining factor.
@@lax1992 bruh we have confirmed the affects of raising children to be men and women, and have confirmed it literally leads down to people dying, despite that people always act like that is a helpful thing.
ANd how on gods earth are you so sure thats the case when your not even them, you have less ground to stand on. Its just as a short sighted to believe one person has that amount of influence but not believe the entirety of society saying the fucking opposite is not enough influence the other way around.
@@Tony-ke2fs I never said I was sure of anything, upbringing is obviously important, but exactly how is difficult to determine
I know this isn’t the same, but my mom had a fear that I was transgender because of the traumatic things my father did to me. I had already gone through that worrying thought process, and I realized that although he made me not like my body as it was, it was for other reasons than why I was trans. I can have trauma relating to my female body and STILL be trans. I was all scared I’d end up looking like him, but luckily I look much more like my brothers in general, so it helped to get rid of that thought.
i was also raised in an abusive household and i have yet to transition BECAUSE i am scared of my transphobic family beating me to death. trauma and a bad life doesnt make kids trans and it makes no sense when i see anybody say that it does
Appreciate the black trans guy pointing out how male privilege does not effect equally across race.
Yeah, intersectionality is rarely talked about. The only time I've seen it recently is on an "Are They Gay?" video about Encanto and queer HCs... Last place I'd thought I'd see it.
And the only reason it is there was because intersectionality was ignored so heavily or denied so heavily that intersectionality had to be reaffirmed.
Big oof for sure.
I never really thought about it as a white guy. Obviously I know that I have more privilege than black folks, but I never considered how gender affects it differently. Honestly really eye opening, can’t believe I hadn’t thought about it before
@lemonssssssss4 th-cam.com/video/3jl9mubmE-E/w-d-xo.html
As non-binary, I begin floating at times of crying. Females cry on the floor. Males stand there crying on the inside.
We Enbies have figured out how to fly
omg I KNEW nb people had something up their sleeves
You weren't supposed to tell them that!
After all, NB actually stands for 'numerous bees'.
I am onto you.
They weren’t supposed to know that. Now they’re onto us
"If a family fails, they won't be looking at the wife."
Amongst other things, this is 100% not true. When my parents divorced, everyone in my church blamed my mom for it and tried to gaslight her out of her decision to divorce my dad. And there was no cheating, they just grew apart.
I've never been married but I am a single parent. Back when I still presented feminine, and went by a feminine name, I got so much hate, and many people blamed me even though my exes were the ones who left. Now that I go by a masculine name I have people online calling me a king for being a parent to my kids as if that's not the bare minimum. The bar is on the floor when it comes to men.
My older sis is married and her husband barely helps her around the house and they argue so much and no matter what my sis always get the blame. Even my mother who is conservative and sexist has told her it is her "duty" and she is overreacting and shouldn't get a divorce cuz she needs to take the burden of being a wife. Just pure bs. As someone living in a conservative and closed minded country, women get all the blame for actions men commit. So idk what that man was talking about
I feel like the amount if shame single moms receive can disprove this as well. Blame is put almost entirely on mothers in that regard while men are often given a free pass or left out of the conversation.
Isn't the family generally seen as "the woman's job"? SO yes Frank (not his name probably. Idk enough to find it in the vid.) people will blame the wife if the family fails. People do blame the wife if the family fails. YOUR side does that shit all the damn time.
Many men have to bring up issues that both genders deal with as just male issues cause let's be honest their aren't many issues that are primarily men's problem cause this is a man's world made for men by men. And the few problems that men primarily have is because of men like this.
I am astonished at the guy who brought up male suicide rates while also saying "it's ok to suffer in silence"
😂
He's not self-aware.
"men commit suicide more" *3 mins earlier* " it's okay to suffer in silence as well" jesus christ they always make themselves look dumb asl 💀💀
They don't actually care about it, they just want a way to "own the libs"
Cool fact: while men die from suicide at a higher rate, the rate of attempted suicide is about the same.
@@zachman5150 wth are u on about? LMAOOO
@@zachman5150 how dumb are u bro? ur over here talking about something nowhere related to my comment; not once did i bring up trans ppl
@@zachman5150 I DARE you to personaly go up to an actual scientist,a professional, who has studied actual biology for years of their lifetime and ask them if your opinion is in fact true. I dare you. If you really care so much about truth. Do your research. And when you do your research don't search for the people who agree with you because you're not going to learn anything more than that doesn't matter if your opinion is false or not. The point is to see the other side's perspective. You prolly haven't ever talked to a trans person and if you have, you weren't open-minded enough to actually LISTEN to what this person had to say in the first place. Your ignorance is exactly the reason why you're so confident in your non-existant knowledge. People who actually KNOW a thing or two are educated enough to know how much knowledge they ACTUALLY possess. Something that you are not capable of due to your ignorance and close-mindness. And I doubt this comment will change your mind. But if there's any possibility of you actually wanting to knwo what the f*ck is going on take my advise: DO YOUR ACTUAL F*CKING RESEARCH. Or continue to be ignorant like you were going to do anyway, since no person like you is intelligent or insightful enough to do such thing by themselves due to the very likely low iq which ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH has ACTUALLY *PROVED* amongst prejuduced people like you, my friend :)
The conservatives:
“Kids get lost when they don’t have a positive father figure in the house because they need to be supported in order to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.”
Also the conservatives:
“Who cares if your parents don’t support you? Just don’t be insecure.”
Conservative parents: my mom beat me with a broom handle and I turned out just fine!
@@strawberryj3lly mexicans: my mom took out la chancla when I threw a kid into an acid pit, now I haven't done anything wrong once
Damn if my parents supported everything I wanted to do when I was younger I'd be a Looney right now.
Like exactly they're just making so many hypocritical points like they would answer one question with one answer, and then the next question they would have been answered, but it would be completely defying their answer for the last one
@@layton6202 I see your point, but we're not talking about getting a toy at Walmart your parents didn't want to get you
"if i see in your pants-" immediately no. stop. i hate when one of a transphobes arguments is about genitalia like it's just weird and low key creepy. tbh not even low key, it's very creepy.
What's creepy is men Who think they're women exposing their genitals to women and girls in female only spaces.
@@wendyjohnson4345 who is doing that lmao
Ikr
I misread this and thought you said if I pee in your pants and it was very alarming
@@talithacrow7530 oh 💀 yeah um that would also be weird and creepy😭
My fiancé, a cis-man, literally cries on the floor. He lies down, and calls it "floor time". I had never witnessed anyone cry on the floor before him.
Seems to help too, so I'm not gonna knock it
like floor crying is lowkey so good i think its cuz the floor is cold feels nice
This comment has inspired me to try floor time and honestly? It’s super helpful. Thank you for this lol
What is wrong with a chair? Or is it a psychological thing, like feeling like the dirt on the floor.
@@gazepskotzs4 laying down on the floor means more weight is being pressed on you, I guess it might be sort of like a weighted blanket
I love how he calls it “floor time”
Gilbert, if you don't use your "friends" pronouns then this Trans person is not your friend.
Agree, I would not want to be friends with someone like that
Disagreeing on an essential part on someone's being is not a 'minor conflict' and 'simple disagreement'. You can, in theory, be semi-decent or not hateful with that viewpoint, but you can't really be respectful, much less a friend.
Fair. I guess it’s up to the person
I would stay friends and call him a woman until he agreed to mutual respect. I can do mutual disrespect, but I can't do this one sided crap.
@@kazikek2674 EXACTLY! Like how dare you call that person your friend while disrespecting and being a bigot toward a fundamental part of them??? FOH
conservative- “your privates determine your biological sex”
also conservatives: “if you don’t show certain masculine traits i’m not going to see you as a man… such as harry styles”
@@clearcontentment3695
Stupid comment. Crossdressers just like to play around with the clothing and like to put on shows such as drag-queens, but they don't feel any connection to the actual opposite sex like that. A man can wear nail polish and still be a man, because he wants to stay one. Trans people are born with the strong desire to transition and live their whole lives as the other gender. That usually means going through second puberty.
Idiot leftist.
Both Harry Styles and Timothee Chalamet are more manly than any conservative, republican, religiously regressive guys on the planet.
Nah your genes define if you are a man or women
Yeah I thought that too kinda hypocritical
"Women are no longer submissive."
That's because we have more and better education nowadays. We know how to take care of ourselves and we know how we deserve to be treated.
♥️
nobody should be forced into submissive. that’s what these guys are mad about. women arnet being forced or taught at a very young age to be submissive and tiny and quite and neat and all taht jazz. thats what their mad about.
@@imjustasconfusedasyou You are completely correct. People just want to control women so they get all pissy when women start standing up for themselves, because according to them "women aren't supposed to be that way!". It's terrible.
The whole "submissive" thing is just so weird to me. Men who say this about women need to keep their personal kinks out of society. It's creepy and weird.
Honestly speaking this whole dominant and submissive thing is just so weird why cant we just be human beings who are equal why cant we just be.
'Don't have kids and expect them to be the way that you want them to be. They're their own person.' I wish that all parents, mine included, could hear and internalise this message.
That's why Jesus was his own way, and refused to give God grand kids.
@@evelyna_paula1747Jesus was probably asexual 😅
@@jasminethecreator19 Not really. Thee are many straight, sexual people who simply don't wanna have sex.
@@evelyna_paula1747 wait, hold up. I thought God and Jesus were the same person? Or two parts of the same person? that's so odd, imagine you're your own son and then you won't give yourself grandkids even though you want them? I'm trying to understand the logic here, but I'm worried there isn't any.
@@jasminethecreator19 Jesus was not Asexual. Stop this bullshit. Have you not heard about fully sexual people who abstain from sex deliberately???
“Men commit suicide more” ….maybe because you don’t let them express themselves, and tear down their masculinity when they show emotion?? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
He just loves to contradict himself
I was also just reminded somewhere of the survivor bias in this statistic. Women attempt suicide more than men, but they survive more often than men because they typically choose methods less immediately fatal (eg. pills vs a gun), thus, more men die by suicide than women.
@@GoldFishCracker He said earlier it's ok for men to suffer in silence, and then wanted to mention the higher rates of suicide. Lol that is part of the reason men have higher rates of suicide, because they are told to "man up" and suffer in silence.
“Women feel as if they don’t need men and that’s the problem here.”
So y'all NEED women in order to feel needed?
I think they do actually, cause it’s “gay” to get emotional support from their bros. I heard that men only get emotional support from their SO vs women who get it from their friends
@@DeathnoteBB Yes and this then seems to be why so many men get into the "friend-zone" easily, because they are more likely to associate emotional support with a romantic relationship, but women are more likely to associate emotional support with both platonic AND romantic relationships. So guys can sadly end up feeling way more emotionally attached to/dependent on their female friends and believe they're in love with them, when the lady is only getting friendship vibes. And then it all turns into a mess.
@@-S.L. yea that's how I feel as well. Like some guys just cannot fathom that you can have an emotional attachment with someone without sex being the end goal.
@@pussydestroyer69285 I know, it's so sad and frustrating from both sides; we really need emotionally supportive male friendships to be normalised.
@@-S.L. Maybe when women stop sexualizing any sort of healthy male friendship on TV and movies so they can shlick it to the thoughts of them having sex with each other.
“It’s okay to suffer in silence, and not cry on the floor like a woman”
*Ten minutes later*
“Men aren’t privileged because we have a higher suicide rate”
We do in fact have a higher suicide rate lol and you would too if you were told everyday who you are is innately toxic.
Jajajaja literal literal ajdjakks es que las weass
I wonder why???
I love how they see the idea of a man being "like a woman" in any way as something inherently negative, as if there aren't traits they'd consider feminine that are positive and potentially healthy for men to adopt. Sometimes I wonder if these allegedly straight dudes even like women. Personally as someone who is almost exclusively attracted to women and have many female/femme friends I've learned a lot from them about loving and emphasizing positive traits that being raised as a boy were often ignored or even looked down upon. I wish people could stop thinking about what's masculine or feminine and just do what's best for them. So many men and women are holding themselves back just because that's what their gender roles tell them to, it's sad. People look at gender nonconformity in an aesthetic, presentation-centric way but so much of it is internal. I don't think that's acknowledged often enough outside of and even in progressive spaces.
@@TayTayMakesBeats we have insanely different outlooks and experiences. In my life, as an afab person, there is absolutely nothing more that girls hated than masculinity. I remember being cornered in locker rooms, girls demanding I prove I’m female. Girls yanking chunks of my hair to prove to themselves I was a boy in a wig. They all loathed me for being masculine and being physically more masculine (obviously that was out of my control). I was not welcomed into any kind of sisterhood or into womens spaces. So I believe men and women absolutely hate each other and themselves, and they use those of us that don’t fit in as their punching bags.
I think one thing Buck really misses, and the conservatives cannot and will never understand, is that being trans is more than about 'expression.' At some point during the day, you stop expressing, but you never stop being. That isn't a choice, and having to act, having to _express,_ like something you're not that really makes the experience so painful. But if somebody looks at me and says, 'ah, yes, a very convincing simulacrum of a man, very creative,' then clearly I have not expressed what I am to that person in a way which delivers the message.
That and not actually understanding dysphoria. Many of them like to view dyphoria like a psychosis..... which even more demonstrated they don't understand what it is.
"i don't believe in homosexuality" well it's not bigfoot, it exists
bigfoot exists also in many ways- .,.
Right. You can not believe in..for example trees. But it's there, it still exists.
So glad I’m not the only one who’s noticed that “belief IN” anything almost exclusively applies to supernatural/mythical dog💩.
The only thing I believe IN is life after love 🥰🤭
@@prinzessinderverurteilung5553 but i believe in trees oml dont tell us its bad to do tht oml-
@Tobias Reiner Okay homophobe
Transphobes: "When they dig you up, they're gonna see that you're a female!"
Sam: "I'm DEAD"
this isn't even necessarily true since sex can't always be determined from your skeleton. Unless they find a more precise way to determine that in the future
fr, like people were purposely deadnaming and misgendering Elliot page and then they said "when *he's* dug up people are gonna see *him* as female" the * are me correcting the pronouns as to not misgender him quoting the transphobe
@nic sometimes it can be hard to tell, since not all women have hip bones that are all that large, and not all men are tall and have smaller hip bones
@@despondent27 yeah I legit have hip dips 'cause my hips are so baby small compared to my thighs.
Exactly and what if someone were to be cremated ?? 😭 Literally nothing to observe
Don’t get me wrong I think everyone is entitled to be religious, but as soon as you bring your religious beliefs into political and human rights issues, it’s a belief not a fact. It may be YOUR truth and YOUR fact, but it should not be a reliable source in a debate like that.
1000%
Yeah i don't see how people don't realize this. when you're talking about human rights and politics, religion should be kept out unless it specifically has to do with religion and could harm it. just because /your/ God doesn't want something to be done a certain way and you want to follow that doesn't mean other people have to as well. we just have to learn to respect everyone and to leave everyone alone if what they're doing doesn't physically or mentally harm anyone. we rlly can live in peace if we just tried hard enough.
yeah, I’ve been to a catholic school and RE teachers can tell us that abortion and being trans or gay is wrong and nobody does anything because “it’s the teachings of the church”.
@@MashaMallowplaylists EXACTLY. I really think the entire world would be so much better if every single person could just respect that every individual has the right to choose how to live their lives. Every individual has the right to be authentic to themselves and be who they truly are. If you wouldn’t make that choice personally, THEN DONT MAKE IT. But don’t bully and discriminate against people for being different from you.
not to mention that like... the whole message w/ Jesus is loving and accepting everyone no matter the differences between you and them, bigotry in the name of God is like actually wrong in a religious context vs like a dude wearing a dress... like it's so hypocritical it's insane
I find it crazy how the trans men here just kinda sat there, took their opinions, put out their opinions and didn’t even flinch or show their strong emotions against those dumb opinions. But then again I get it cause us trans people take that every day.
FR I'm nonbinary myself and I wanted to yell at my screen for some of those uninformed, ignorant and dumb takes
As a transgender man who grew up in a very conservative country and suffered greatly from the hand of conservatives (and still does), I wanted to yeet my smartphone into the window several times while watching that Jubilee vid. I've no idea how those trans guys managed to stay calm, polite and cool-headed. Mad respect.
I know a lot of the questions were coming from a place of hate, but I feel like some (a very small amount) of the things they asked could be coming from a place of curiosity but them just not knowing how to word their question to not be offensive... if that makes sense?
Same with the statements they made, one example I can think of rn is the father figure one, like I understand what they were going for, and it was definitely a dumb thing to say, but they might not know any better because they don't have a filter for this type of stuff
Also this is unrelated to the rest of my comment but the "you still look like a woman" comment was just straight up meant to be an insult. I'd understand if he meant "you still look a bit feminine" because any guy, both cis and trans, can look feminine, and there's nothing wrong with that if that is how they choose to present themselves, and that is clearly how he's choosing to present.
Also the trans guys are pretty old, they've been dealing with stuff like this their entire lives, they're probably just so used to it that they're just not effected by that stuff anymore
I have more I could say but I'm tired of typing and the comment is getting pretty long, so I'll just leave it at this: trans people are valid
And do you know why? It's because they're WOMEN and that's how we're socialized to act around men. Just listen and keep your mouth shut.
@@susantaulli6580 that's a complete lie, both men and women talk equally in conversations (from my experience), plus they're all men so your point is invalid anyway
As soon as he said "I could tell you weren't a man." I immediately called bs.
So I asked my boyfriend, a cis-man, if he saw men when looking at the trans-men and he said yes. When I told him they were trans, he responded with "oh, that's cool! They look good."
So either that guy is a psychic or he's so focused on his version of masculinity that any slip-up automatically makes one a "woman" in his eyes.
right?? he said that and I was like, what a fuckin liar lmao
I was confused too 😭 none of them look like women
Which is insane because if we think about it, there are many cis men that are short, with high pitched voices, who struggle to grow facial hair or anything else that might be seen as "less manly" and so by their logic, they would be women I assume? But these same people are the ones who would call very well passing trans women, men, just because they found out their AGAB so honestly, can't never win, they straight up just want to be right so bad lmao.
Where these 'well passing trans women'? The ones I've seen look like gay dudes in wigs. They self-id as trans and they don't change anything.
The man who said that is just showing disrespect or transphobia
it's funny when transphobic people say things with such confidence, even if it makes no sense. These men make me want to laugh and throw up at the same time lmao.
me too!
"you're approproating men" literally died
Bestie I agree men like this make me sick, sad, angry and at the same time I feel bad that no one taught them that their way of thinking is hurtful and very wrong
@@emmainkeri7497 My brain split in half when he said that. A natural disaster happened in my mind because I just couldn't believe he actually said that oh MY god what the fuCK does that even mean
It's was quite funny when one of the dudes said that "it becomes a problem when you try to change language" we have a lot of languages, and a lot of dead languages, how do you think we got here? Obviously to accomodate his needs we must go back to the root language, before Latin, before Anglo Saxon, way before language was even written.
I'm pretty sure Anglo Saxon and Latin converged at some point to create modern day English (and other languages). Did you know that Icelandic is the closest thing to Anglo Saxon? Its so cool (just by looking).
"The definition of masculinity has changed" Yeah, it's almost like humans are a species that evolve and adapt with each new generation, crazy
AHAHAHHAHAHAHH for real
Literally look at cultures. They’ve all had different definitions for this.
That's what I was thinking. Humans are not the way they were many centuries ago. We evolve. These conservative men in this are stupid. Transphobes always refer to middle school biology books that they read, the things they taught then, that is oversimplified ... They do not want to educate themselves.
😲
That's why they are CONSERVATIVES. It's in the name.
What I'm hearing from the conservative side -"No, I don't hate you, I just hate everything that makes you who you are, like who you love." I don't understand how someone can say statements like that with a straight face.
cognitive dissonance, its a fun thing
He has so much internalized self hate n other bs going on, I checked out
I really think they're just being disingenuous. They do hate them, but they don't want to look like a hater or admit to themselves that they are hateful. It's sad.
love how people are against they/them pronouns until they use it as a way to misgender a trans person in a "subtle " way 3:10
Yeah it's almost like they just want to excuse misgendering people
GOD YEAH IT’S INFURIATING
my dad does that a lot :////
he’ll be talking about a trans person and he constantly switches between using their pronouns, misgendering them, and using they/them even though they use he or she?
It's funny because I've seen these people say, "We should use they/them because they're WOKE and won't call us out for our misgendering" but that's not factual at all.
@@crikeymikey4966 MY FAMILY DOES THAT HHHHHHHHHH
@@ratboy2 my family doesn't respect a trans persons pronouns but they always accidentally slip up and say the correct one and its funny cause I at least know they see them as their gender they just don't want to admit it yk
That black trans guy really never stopped spitting facts i love him
his name is Luckie :}
RIGHT HE MADE ME TEARY EYED I LOVE HIM
@@gordby5013 His name makes him even better
dude Luckie was like my favorite person here 😭
That blk trans really said "I'm biological man"
The most funny part is that makeup, heels, dresses, skirts and "girly colors " all started out as men's accessories literally higher the heel the more manly they were
Ikr
Stop fucking lying its not like that
Yeah like skirts and the color pink and stuff lol
It’s always funny when conservatives use gender stereotypes as proof that trans people aren’t valid like, it’s all made up, you can’t do that! I can wear pink if I want to, Ben Shapiro, it’s none of your business!
And you used to be a fish… does that mean you can still breathe water??? 😂
@@wolfetteplays8894 Fish don't breath water, they breath the oxygen IN the water lmao
“it’s okay to suffer in silence”
“men have higher suicide rates”
huh i wonder if these two things have a correlation 🤭
I find it weirdly interesting to see how people try to explain their own toxic behaviors. Thanks for the video Sam!
I've read once that what separates humans from the rest of the animal kingdom is our ability to legitimize our beliefs using contradictions. With each passing day, I believe more and more that this statement is true, or else my Autistic mind would literally blow itself up trying to comprehend why evil exists.
For real "it's okay to suffer in silence" and "men commit suicide more" said by the same guy. It leaves me baffled but it's definitely interesting to see.
@@kyradreamer4769 Oh definitely. I really get a bad feeling from him, especially because he's so calm while saying the worst things. He has trickster vibes.
Cognitive dissonance among conservatives is just insane
@@Anna-19928 everyone has cognitive dissonance. Your own views are flawed too, it's good to think about when you have the mental energy for it.
As a cis man, and thus a man, I am officially allowing trans men to appropriate men, cause you're my dang bros, boys. Or men, I guess. Bros, either way.
thank you
We shouldn’t need cis men to allow us to be ourselves/gen
Thanks bro
Thanks 👍
As a cis woman, I officially support trans women to do the same, you all go girlies
The blk trans men definetly has the ability to take control of a room. He speaks in such a way that he demands to be listened. I think the cis blk guy felt threatened by their demeanor.
Yeah, Luckie is my favourite. Even if he accidentally interrupts someone, he just keeps going and doesn't keep quiet. He always spits facts /srs
Mmm... no... don't mistake others not wanting to be rude as "backing down." Everyone knows this is a sensitive topic, no one wants to be called "phobic," and people don't want to hurt others' feelings...
@@OsakaJoe01 what
Nah , Brandon aka officer Tatum was the commanding presence in that room.
If you think anyone but officer Tatum was in control of the room, you have wishful thinking. Frankly, men size each other up often by who would win in a fight. Tatum was the T-Rex in the room.
i hate with every fiber of my body hates that Buck said that he “chose” to be a male and believes that’s the same for other trans people. this also is attached to the belief that people need to present as their gender and need to transition if they’re trans or be androgynous if they’re non-binary
i didn’t chose to be non-binary, i was born that way no matter my body
I also thought it was a little bit of bad wording. But as an enby, I have to say usually nb people identify the way we do due to early trauma of some kind. That doesnt make us any less valid.
@@luciphyx.2733 that’s still different than choice. i didn’t choose to be enby, i was born that way
@@ashlitious6624 yes i know. im also an enby lol. i just dont want people to be misinformed. it only makes the pesky bigots think they gained some brain cells.
@@luciphyx.2733 I wouldn't generalize NBs so much, saying that we're this way due to trauma kinda feeds into bigoted stereotypes.
Not calling you a bigot tho, It's just rarely productive to say such blanket statements.
The fact no trans men stepped up for the disappearing masculinity prompt is already killing me lmfaoo
Like
We know it isn't.
LMFAOOOO
And then none of the conservatives stepped forward for the male privilege prompt
If I were asked that question, I'd probably answer with something like "If anything, masculinity is appearing. I mean, look at me!"
Not even Buck did and he's the most pick me trans guy ever
@@monsterglacier yeppp
I thought about that too lmfao
Normal person: What if a child wants parents to be nice to them?
Guy that looks like a used car salesman: Why do you need parental validation? Get internal happiness
And then they proceed to say that children NEED a mother and father figure. Children should depend on their parents when it helps their argument, but children should be "independent" when that fallacy helps them.
@@rakvian ikr
i mean, you heard them. psychology is obviously wrong. children don’t learn self-worth from their parents. they should just have it. and when your parents tell you, that you’re a worthless piece of 💩, it shouldn’t have an effect on you. oh wait. those are the same people who want children to respect their parents no matter what…
@@dianatenaglia obviously, children come out of the womb with perfect self worth and the woke is the only reason they get transed 🗿💩💀
literally
Masculinity is not disappearing… toxic masculinity is and I’m here for it
Masculinity is disappearing. Men wearing dresses and makeup, society saying that vaginas are a part of madhood and penises are a part of womanhood, trying to destroy biological facts and structute. Why don't you go outside and act like a normal teenager hon.
@@pudgealicious commit suicide*, I'm pretty loss initially what you meant
Get itttttt
So let me guess. You're a person who supports gender freedom who is enthusiastic about a massive part of what has defined masculinity since the dawn of time being ripped away in a single generation?
Do you realize how twisted and sadistic that is? Apparently you're all for addressing the suffering of the less than 1% of the population that is transgender, but you're actually enthusiastically looking forward to attaching exactly the same kind of forced conformity, ostracization, and marginalization onto typical boys that you find so harmful when done to transgender kids.
You're "here for" the agony and suffering of millions of children. Congratulations.
Is toxic femininity disappearing? I ask this as a feminist.
As a trans woman I always laugh at the whole positive male role model thing.
My dad was arguably the best role model a person could have, but no amount of amazing male role model would make me a man. He is a calm, nurturing, respectful, understanding, intelligent and strong man. He's a network manager and bodybuilder with the most joking, loving personality I've ever seen. With all of that said, a massive part of what made me realize I was trans was how much I looked up to him as a person, yet didn't want to actually turn out like him, no matter how amazing he is. I wanted to be calm, loving and nurturing, but I didn't want to be a man.
I went to the gym with him for years and instead of looking at myself being a better looking man with pride, I met mirrors with indifference at best, and confused disgust at worse. I received compliments with dejection and I soon realized something was not right.
It just blows my mind that even in 2022 people still think I somehow chose, or wanted to be trans, and that it was a result of my environment. If I could be happy turning out my dad, I would do it in a heart beat. But nothing in life brings me more dread than having to live the rest of my life as a man, no matter how much praise I would get for it.
And yet you’re still a man
The male role model think is an idea for men who have failed in achieving anything that really matters. Nicolas Tesla and Isaac Newton were not dads or role models, but we sing their name s everyday.
The problem is they don't understand what having gender dysphoria is. Trying to get them to understand is like trying to explain the color red to someone who is congenitally completely blind. They live a life where their mind matches their body and don't even have the remotest of conceptions what is going on. The only way the three conservatves could even understand is if we could somehow magically place them into female bodies with all the expectation on them to act like women. They would be losing it within the first week.
I felt so bad for Luckie, he literally had to bring up his sewer slide attempts just for his argument to be taken seriously😭 I almost cried at that point because I know the feeling :///
Same, I was so teary eyed. It REALLY hit home.
I'm sorry that you guys have to bring up something even more serious to the table to get people to just be quiet and listen to you. Not transgender or NB myself but I do have social anxiety and get triggered when I feel as though people don't take me seriously up until I snap or have a mental breakdown just so they can be quiet and stop laughing. I can't imagine what that's like for trans people, especially if you're a child in a household where you really don't have a say in anything unless your parents express a courtesy, granting you permission to do something, etc
Seriously I’m not a man but I am trans and it’s just exhausting, depressing, and infuriating how we have to pull our entire tragic backstory out every damn time we’re in a discussion with a transphobe. And then after so many of those interactions, when you just say “Fuck that” and stop coddling those people, _they_ get mad that you refuse to interact with them anymore. As if every single individual transphobe is owed your life story or else your sheer existence is invalid! Like no, jackass, my existence isn’t dependent on wasting my life, time, and energy hand-holding you through why trans people are people. Open a book. Read an article. Literally educate yourself at all.
It's real sad when your trans and have to tell your grim backstory to have any validation. Why can't people just accept others at face value...maybe in the future.
@@Nepthu Hey man, what?? It’s not like I bring it up because I want to or for attention. It’s that I literally won’t have my mental health taken seriously by the people around me unless I do. This our lives we’re talking about here, please don’t make it into some sort of misogynistic talking point.
I fucking hate that argument of "did you have a dad" because what they're REALLY saying is "did you have a dad to enforce social norms onto you". A lot of these dads feel like enforcers. Just because you're my parent, it doesn't mean you get to force me to be your double, or try to force to into being stereotypically normal and correct.
YESSS!!!
When you did have a father figure and you’re still gay: 😳
I agree, people also like to blame bad behavior on not having a father. that can impact someone’s life, but it doesn’t automatically make the person a criminal, or a gay person. and if they are a criminal or a gay person, they’re aren’t necessarily that way because they had an absent father.
Or like “Did you also have an influencer in your life that forced outdated ideaologies onto you so you could grow up with a cult-like judgemental personality and then proceed to force it onto others?”
I hear this so much as a goth and gay man. Yes, I had a very prominent dad, how tf did you think I was introduced to alternative subcultures and the LGBT community when the internet was in it's infancy???
As a cis dude, any trans man is just as valid as I am.
word!
truly
Ally detected, opinion respected
👏👏👏👏👏👏
mmmvn you are very buff.... ver...y.,,. lov..........
The whole narrative of "you can change your gender" is so stupid. I can choose to take hormones and get surgeries. I don't choose who I am, I've always been a man (non binary in my case, but I identify with the label of man).
same, but opposite, I am girlflux but I label myself as a girl most of the time, I didn't choose this, god I wish I had the choice to be cis though, so I wouldn't have gone through lifetimes of pain. Fuck the choice narrative
the IRONY of the "suffer in silence" guy bringing up how men commit suicide at higher rates as women when it came to male privilege LMAO
His name is officer Tatum on TH-cam look him up
@@beauford4486 holy shit. he's got a million people agreeing with his bullshit??
"you never need to be validated ever? in your life?"
"no, i get validated from within"
"that's bullshit" KING !!!
I cried so much at that part, he really got heated, and I loved that
I would really like to ask that man could he live happily as a gay man prior gay acceptance Era? When gays couldn't get married, people thought of them as perverts and subhuman... That dude really would have been just fine with being "validated from within"?
man is probably christian. Bet when god doesn't validate him, he'll be SPEACHLESS
I've never needed validation from strangers or coworkers - that's what awards are for. And even then, those usually get tossed in a drawer. Does a content creator feel validated by the support in the comments or the silver button they get from TH-cam? I'd be all about the silver button.
As for validation, I only sought what can be construed as the professional variety in the workplace because I'm damn competitive, and then, to be boastful with my buddies who are just as competitive in whatever they do.
As for my buddies, they wouldn't be my buddies if whatever you feel validation means, was what they think it means. After writing this comment, I have to say, I have no idea what your definition is. I know if children are raised well, they get all the validation they need from their parents and family...
I’m in middle school and we literally just learned in health they every human needs love (not just romantic) and validation. So I can confirm, very bs.
“Women feel as if they don’t need men and that’s the problem here.” ah yes the fact that I am a human being and can therefore live by myself without a man is such problem. this shit is so funny omg
They want women to need them but then insult women as weaker and men as superior. They want women to be traditional and "need men" just so that the woman would more readily agree to becoming their glorified housekeeper, not because they actually respect what traditional women do.
@@crewmatewillthrowthesehand7600 literally, like where is the logic
@@crewmatewillthrowthesehand7600 They want a robot maid, not a woman
Women need men. Men need women. That is how humans survive. Laugh all you want but at the end of the day, conservative women are more happy in their lives than you.
@@RYCH3 Ok. Lonely bAtch. I never said that we don't need each other. I was saying how these self proclaimed "traditional" men don't actually respect a woman's work. They want a woman to need them but are in denial that they rely on women too in a relationship. I'm all for ppl needing each other but more often than not the wife just end up in an unrewarding role of a servant without pay and get disrespected for asking more money because its not hers but also not allowed to decide for herself to earn money or if they do, they have to become both a breadwinner and housekeeper. They forget they need to meet their end of the bargain and be a traditional man too. Just because they can't afford a traditional wife doesn't make the traditional wife a gold digger or not needing men. Plus, single people exist, gay couples exist and they are doing okay. Calm down. I'm not saying that traditional is bad, I'm just saying we should start making sure traditional housewives are respected for what they do and their contributions to the family unit.
God I fucking WISH wearing a dress would drop my testoerone levels
"Denying basic human facts like there being two genders" that's literally not even a fact. The person who said this is using "gender" in place of "sex" which still makes them wrong. It is amazing how many of these "basic biology" transphobes just straight up admit to not knowing about intersex people. I also love (hate actually) how Gilbert tried his absolute hardest to not use his trans friend's pronouns. Honestly it feels a lot more disrespectful to say something like "I just won't play into that delusion and narrative" than most other arguments transphobes make.
Edit: Gilbert also seems to get a shit-eating grin whenever he thinks he's pulling up with a gotcha question when in reality he is just spouting nonsense that no one argues.
The funny thing is, biological sex is just as much of a spectrum as genders with the existence of intersex.
@@markymarksthirdnipple8305 exactly, any and all transphobia I’ve seen has been justified either through hysteria or surface-level 3rd grade science.
@@markymarksthirdnipple8305 They always say basic biology, because that's all the biology they know: misleading oversimplifications(lies) told to children. None of them understand it on an advanced level.
it's a fact, human gender only reproduces between male and female, unless you are an animal is an animal or a bacteria to which some can reproduce asexually then yes, there are only 2 reproductive genera in the human species
EXACTLY literally intersex people prove there aren’t even two sexes, and gender is a social construct
Him “not believing in homosexuality” is ironic because his wife is white. The Bible is also anti-interracial marriage.
Progressive person who grew up in the church here- where does it say that prescriptively? Not trying to defend religion I just want to know if I've missed something
I also bet he's wearing mixed materials/fabrics on his clothing, which the Bible says is a "sin" (Leviticus 19:19)
@@antheaempson8735 Daniel 2:43, Deuteronomy 7:3, Ezra 9:2 (this one is ESPECIALLY blatant in its racism), Genesis 28:1, and Jeremiah 13:23 (not marriage related but still pretty damn racist.)
There are a lot of verses implying interracial marriage is good, but that's all New Testament stuff, cause Jesus dying apparently made that okay all of a sudden. Nothing like a dad killing his son to solve a problem HE caused.
Also wtf is not "believing in homosexuality " 😂 they're talking as if we were fairies
Yeaaah I could tell he’s married to a white woman💀
I’m sorry but men DO NOT get to speak on the male suicide rate while simultaneously perpetuating the very ideas that cause that male suicide rate. That pissed me off!
The only men who get to talk about it are the people whom suffered with those mentalities and thoughts and the people who are trained to. Not the people who are the direct cause of it.
@@SpagettiSpeltWrong exactly, he says men shouldn't cry and, that male are committing more suicide than woman. He's the problem!
@@ArghastOfTheAlliance Metallica listener = opinion discarded
@@xanatanuwu Now THAT offended me! What problem do you have with Metallica?
The fact that you just declared what an entire group should do, whose experience you do not share, is part of the problem. We're constantly shamed for the random circumstance of our birth, and told all our lives that we're the cause of every problem in the world and personally responsible for every crime committed by any other random male. I've been right to the ledge of suicide, and I'm only still here because one woman refused to let me give up. So I *can* and *will* speak on male suicide, regardless of whether you or anyone else thinks I'm 'woke' enough to. Oh, and if you think only men contribute to this vicious cycle, then you're clearly not here for an honest conversation.
When he said “you all had dads?!” I died
Hahaha same
“Trans men are dominant women”
Dude I am the most shy ass trans guy I know
Ill jump at my own shadow but Im still a guy- what is this man on about
I love this comment lmao
WHO SAID IT
SAME Im super jumpy and anxious bruh
@@inkii-y sameeee lmao 😭😭 like I jump at light flickering in the corner, in no way am I dominate 🤨
Oh same
I feel like my eyes are stuck in a constant cycle of rolling at these guys claiming masculinity is disappearing and at the ideas of gender roles 😭
Samee
Exactly. They said that and I was like "promise? You promise masculinity is going the way of the dodo?"
@MeltedVelveeta CheeseSauce Why are we lucky?
@MeltedVelveeta CheeseSauce Atheists have historically acted a lil quirked up sometimes tho 😬 but overall, theocracies r bad & non separation of church&state is dumb!
It's masculine to be confident in your sense of self. No other requirements needed.
I'm trans and gay and I'm barely 13. It's terrifying to live in a world where my rights are taken away for something I cannot control. I'm pre-everything, I've only ever told a few friends, my parents don't know. Validation from family members and friends are so important because without my friends being by my side, I probably wouldn't even be here.
I hope things for us change in the future, our rights won't be a political debate anymore and kids like u don't have to worry about such serious things as ur rights.
I’m a trans kid who’s 13 aswell dude, it’s scary.
I know everything sucks and especially at your age and it doesn't seem like it right now, but things are improving. The reason that we are seeing people pushing back so much on trans rights is because trans voices are finally getting heard and those in power hate seeing minority groups gain strength.
When I was your age I had no idea there was such a thing as trans people and I'm only 28 now. Things have changed so much recently for the better and it's easy to see all the negative, but that's because people are resistant to change and to what they don't know. If we stay positive and keeping looking up, they will never win.
I'm also writing this comment for myself just as much as I am for you. It's so easy to see what's going wrong in the world, but there's also so much going right. There are so many people on your side and our voices are loud and getting louder.
I think after I found the community, especially at a young age, It hit me that I had a place to go when I fellt like no one else would listen. Every time I would cry about being alone and not being accepted, even though the darkest times, I knew I would have a place to go, and even it's not entirely perfect, I just feel so lucky.
It’ll get better, remember to push on; I know what it feels like.courage little one, we’ll carve ourselves our place in the world
Something I wish the trans men had brought up is that when your parents deny your reality, it affects the love you have for them, and the love that you perceive they have for you. It shows that their love is no longer unconditional, their support isn't unconditional. Coming out at 13 and being told to wait until I'm 18, has done nothing. At nearly 19 they still deny it, and that has put a massive strain on our relationship. I can't disconnect my transness from myself, so to have that part of me dismissed, seen as a joke, it told me as a child that a huge part of who I am doesn't matter. I wish there was a way to make cis people understand the impact of this without sounding sensitive or 'feminine' for having these emotional experiences.
Well that about summarizes how I feel about my dad.
As a trans guy who has cried on the floor in a bathroom, I didn’t switch genders… I guess I’m just immune to the femininity that is floors
Same brah, it's the same when people tell you "you're a girl" bluntly to your face, and then you don't turn into a girl all of a sudden! Whoah!
sorry bro not a man your eyes made water :( /j
@@hal-fling LMAO
@《IamChaos》 literally though, i'm right there with ya
@@khadizabhuiyan.random2758 ikr??? it's like we don't chose the gender we are :00
I'm a cis woman whose dad was never around. Damn, guess I'll have to transition now and become my own dad. Like what?
No logic to be found LOL
The Black trans man has got me crying hard. His words were right on talking about being young and trans. Really thankful he spoke up, well said
It was painfully frustrating watching this. When they wouldn’t stop saying that shit about outside validation it drove me up a wall. I am trans and I like myself! Those guys don’t understand that the lack of validation is not at all the same as constant invalidation. You’re not just refusing to specifically validate me. You’re choosing to actively invalidate me. And they don’t even see it
"It's ok to suffer in silence."
God, that is one of the most painful sentences I've ever heard.
It's not okay. Really though, if you feel bad, please do not suffer alone
I want words with whoever taught him that.
Thats what he has been taught. Scary.
@@agstinacueva1673 It makes me feel so worried for him, that he genuinely believes he cannot get support. And in the same breath, says "Men commit suicide more than women"... perhaps because you believe "suffering in silence" is normal?
“It’s ok to suffer in silence” SIR THAT IS TOXIC- Please never bottle up feelings because other ppl told you so in order to be a “man”, it never works as you can see in the world bottling up feelings never works (also be who you want, men like this shouldn’t dictate what you think, ppl should be accepted no matter what:)
"Suffer in silence" the big strong conservative Christian male says.... THEN he says something along the lines of "there's a reason there's a higher suicide rate for men"....yeah...because you're conditioned to suffer in silence....Jesus, it almost makes me feel bad for him if he didn't act like a brick wall when it came to something as natural as homosexuality
@@spider-woman9482 and he said it so confidently too💀like does he even hear himself? He sounded stupid and it’s simply because he doesn’t understand. Because he doesn’t understand and doesn’t want to understand he uses points that sound awful and not even valid, but that’s a conservative Christian male for ya!🤠
I mean, I guess it depends on the issue, at least for me. I'm incredibly emotional and sometimes I'll cry over mundane things, so for me I have to pick and choose what I can and cannot talk about. I can't expect me stubbing my toe to carry as much weight as me experiencing something traumatic
He also listed men commit sewer side more and doesn't connect the dots that the toxicity he accepts and forces on men is killing them.
How you gonna take care of a family "like you should" when you suffer in silence sending you to an early grave? Make it make sense or finally grow a backbone and let this sht go.
@@ThexDynastxQueen no fr, like, it’s really not that hard to realize, hmm maybe the reason why men unalive themselves is BECAUSE we make them do toxic things to themselves in order to be “manly”……… he clearly knows it’s apart of the reason but like you said he just needs to grow a back bone and realize what men like him are teaching is wrong!
IF THAT MAN LOOKED AT ME AND SAID “if i saw you in the street i wouldn’t think you were a man” YOU WOULD HAVE TO HOLD ME DOWN. that man is crazy i’m pissed off even here
I’m not even a man and that pissed me off cause you know it was a lie
Literally none of them look feminine or like women in the slightest, so it’s hilarious that like all of them have facial hair and he had the audacity to be like “yup, those are women”
@@yupok8425 For real, it’s the audacity that gets me. Like, I could say I’m a trans woman and they’d say I’m a man… when in reality I’m afab and non-binary. But they sure as shit would insist I’m ”obviously a man”
Look him up on TH-cam his name is “officer Tatum”
He was being honest. The Transmen in this video look more like boys because of their stature. Tall men often overlook short men as " less than."
as someone born a women and still identifies as a woman but who's always been sort of a "tomboy", being confused for the other gender hurts no matter the context. I remember being like 10 and having short hair and being mistaken as a boy in public and it felt bad cus I KNEW I was a woman, but I just liked my hair short cus it's more convenient for me. In fact you could argue that having more of a tomboyish appearance at a young age doesn't "turn you" trans, as the older sister who's more "boyish" I always played the prince when me and my sister played prince and princess; but I'm a woman at heart and anatomically.
a child acting more masculine or looking more masculine doesn't always mean they're questioning or are trans, they could just be more comfy in boy clothes cause they are more loose fitting or they don't want to have to brush their hair in the morning.
I'm very feminine always have been. But I also knew for a long time that I don't see myself as a girl or woman and am currently saving up for top surgery and after that going on HRT and stil plan on wearing more feminine clothing. Because clothes are just fabric to cover our bodies it is not gendered!
@@sagedill5993 LITTERALLY. Good on you btw, hope your surgery goes well friend 🩷
That's interesting. I have an experience of being a tomboyish girl and the thought of being mistaken for a boy never bothered me, but i also didn't think it was possible. In my early twenties i cut my hair short and suddenly every shop I went to or other public spaces ppl started referring to me as sir. I was a bit confused about how that's possible, partly amused and partly excited. I never corrected anyone and it was quite entertaining to see ppl trying to figure out who they're speaking to. Im not a man. Intellectually I know I'm a woman but I don't really feel like one. I'm trying to present some feminity because I got extremely tired of people (both family and random stragners) commenting on my appearance at all times when it turns out im a woman. The audacity of some people is really shocking, the moment you step out of their idea how people in general should be they'll let you know, and not very politely at that. Women are meant to be pretty after all, what you're doing isn't making you pretty:) (that's the bottom line of these comments)
It's interesting to see a perspective of somebody with a strong sense of identity and I love to see the breaking of stereotypes. Some forget that masculine and feminine traits are just that, traits and even though there are general tendencies they can appear in a person of the opposite sex cause theres always going to be outliers. And clothes worn are just that - clothes. As you said, they won't magically entice a person to change their gender or want to transition. Sometimes I think it's more convenient for a certain group of ppl to believe that if a girl or woman is boyish she must be trans, because how can there possibly exist women that aren't the way they imagine women should look and act like, they're certainly not "real women" 🫠 the hypocrisy of that paired with "external changes don't define person's sex or gender, biology is the most important" and then sqeauling about somebody putting on some rags that aren't aligned with the traditional gender expression is ridiculous xD
I once had someone diminish my fears of being hate crimed as 'being worried about what people think of me'. The guy victim blaming people for not being able to brush off transphobia has similar energy.
People tend to have a delusion that their outside surroundings don't matter, that only what they believe matters. It felt good when one of them said that it was bullshit, because it is. What people view you as does matter to a certain extent. It shouldn't be the most important thing of course, but to say that other people's perception of you doesn't matter is false. No man is an island. It's not about being empowered, it's about living in a world where people either see you as a freak, a pretender, or something worse.
@@machinaowl910 in my experience, if your close ones are doing a great job at respecting and validating you, then you can handle the perceptions of the outside world. Saying that you don’t need your parental approval and support at a young age is BS. You can overcome it eventually, but it’ll fuck with you for a while.
Duh, if someone murders you just ignore it
Death rates drop to zero
@@Yo_blob I'm nonbinary and I know most people at work won't use my pronouns, so I haven't come out to them, but I know I always have my friends who know and respect my pronouns.
That guy is so completely unaware of the constant validation and reaffirmation he has been receiving since birth. He can't conceive of not having those.
“It’s okay to suffer in silence 😈 ” “men have the highest suicide rates 😭 ” I WONDER WHY
3:08 You can see how Gilbert was trying not to use pronouns by saying “my friend” every time pronouns would be used, but still ended up using “their” to refer to this person. He tried so hard not to use their real pronouns just to end up using gender neutral ones.
LGBT-1 Conservatives-0
(Yes, I understand that this is not ideal. I just thought it was funny that he would most likely be against calling someone “they” if that is what they went by, but decided he would rather call his friend “they” than their actual pronouns in this case)
Lmao you’re right 😂
congrats to trans rights for continuing to win!
Still misgenderimg though
I don’t know to me it seems like he did that one purpose. And even if didn’t using they does not automatically mean that they are intentionally using non-gender specific pronouns. Not sure about you but most people use they without even thinking about even when they fall into a gender so to me this isn’t a “win” for the lgbt side necessarily. And it helps to kinda bridge the gap between both sides because it allows Gilbert to talk about his friend in a way that makes them hopefully both feel somewhat comfortable. Is ideal? No. But it allows these two people with opposing beliefs to move on and talk about things out side of gender and develop a friendship. I feel like this a good way for conservatives who don’t believe in changing of gender to go about this and I would be happy to see more of this as opposed to international mis-gendering them. I understand that this might not work for all Tran people but it does seem like a kind of middle ground.
also they seem like the type to say “they/them is plural!!!” but they literally used it for a singular person…
“I don’t use my friends pronouns, so I’ll just say ‘my friend’ or ‘their’ name because i don’t want to give into the narrative that ‘they’ want” bro imagine owning yourself and not even realizing
“‘I’ don’t use ‘my’ friends pronouns, so I’ll just say ‘my’ or ‘their’ name because ‘I’ don’t want to give into the narrative that ‘they’ want”
…like yeah, ok bro
I started my transition when I was ten. I am 16 now and started hormones early this year. No, my parents didn't give me hormones blockers when I was ten, they put me in therapy and it's been a long 5/6 years. Starting hormones is a long process, they didn't just give me the hormones because I simply asked.
!!!
@@SupraMan38 I know you're probably trying to convey excitement, but my brain cant help but imagine you making the metal gear solid ! sound lmao.
@@yandereevee_neesan4099 th-cam.com/video/8yGfQak-q9M/w-d-xo.html
@@yandereevee_neesan4099 *standing here, I realized, you are just like me trying to make history.*
I love this comment bcuz (cis, somewhat) people mostly are uneducated when it comes to this stuff.
as a transmasc person who hasn't fully transitioned yet, i am unable to cry. all i can do is piss myself.
i was with you until the very last line
As a 22 yo pre-everything transman who as known since the age of 15 (starting late in July due to being cut off completely since I was 15)
I must say that I am now unable cry.
Only pure rage and determination remain.
@@placenamehere4 um, if you don't understand this universal trans experience then ig you're not Actually Trans, then. /j
Pee pee on the floor to assert your masculinity
LMFAO
Suffering in silence is absolutely terrible and men need to know it is ok to break down in front of their families. You 👏Are👏 A👏 Person 👏Not 👏A 👏Machine
Maybe because they AREN'T able to have a breakdown without being violent ._.
@@noidontdrinkbathwater7491
YOU
ARE
THE
FUCKING
PROBLEM
@@noidontdrinkbathwater7491 maybe it's because they bottle up their emotions for so long, when it blows up its more explosive?
Or maybe it's because people keep perpetuating the myth that we're all mindless, violent beasts who are responsible for all the bad things in life. I've had 3 serious breakdowns, and the only person I was ever a threat to was myself. In fact, I'm only still here because one woman realized I was about to kill myself and refused to let me.
We're constantly shamed for the random circumstance of our birth, and we're expected to fit an ever-changing postmodernist narrative about what we 'should' be -- while still being despised for maleness regardless. We aren't threatened by trans men or trying to keep them out of' our space' -- you get to situations like this video because some males get fed up with being denigrated all the time, and get tired of hearing from moronic activists chirping about us 'all going extinct' and being replaced by trans men.
None of that excuses violence at all; a male who hits a female doesn't deserve to walk among us. I'm just trying to give you a glimpse of what it's like to live in a culture that scapegoats you for everything, and then uses your emotional response to that as 'proof' of your 'toxicity.'
@@sandwichbreath0 btw.(If this is in any way towards me*****) I might be a postmodernist but I do not support the said activists from your statement nor the statement:"Kill all men". Just to clear things up :). My first comment is based on my perspective of MOST men I've encountered or observed throughout my life here on earth :).
I'm nonbinary, my son is extremely gender neatural ( by choice ), he's 8. he picks out pride stuff, likes " girly " colors, and tends to dress very out of the box. Rainbow is one of his FAVORITE things. but he's confident in being a boy. I never set gender stereotypes for my kids, my son has really long hair and people even in my family bully him to get a haircut all the time, he declines. He gets mistaken for a girl ALOT because he has more androgenous features. But if my son came to me as a teenager and told me he wanted to transition, other than any type of surgery, I'd agree. Hormones can be reversed, but the issue with the word " transition " is there is quite a few stages to it. If my son was to go on hormones, change his pronouns, and then didn't feel okay about it, it's reversible.I don't see why this is a big argument. Let kids be kids man, let them choose their path. All we're supposed to do as parents is love and support them, not cage them and make them who we want. It's like the " what if your kid came out gay " when I was in HS, like... just love them anyways or your a crap parent.
there is no such thing as non binary
you are either male or female
do u get caller a mom, dad or a patent?
We actually do not know if hormone blockers are reversible. Please be cautious. Here is what the NHS says:
"Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.
Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.
It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations."
They do not know if these things are reversible or what damage it can be doing. This generation is the test. Don't let your child be a guinea pig.
u rlly think its a coincidence that a confused mother raises a confused son?
@@jacklemahemthey aren't confused and their son still identifies as being a boy, he just likes some things that aren't considered masculine. And even if their kid ends up being trans, that doesn't make someone confused
as a minor transgender man, being able to transition at a young age quite literally saved me from suicide. they often say think of the children while disregarding how dangerous and ravaging gender dysphoria can be.
happy seeing young trans people getting the support that they absolutely deserve and need! good on you man
It’s kind of annoying that everyone points out their own experience like they are the rule for how everyone else is, and think their experience should be taken as “evidence” of something
I kind of transitioned socially and the reason I say kind of is because no one in my house supports me they say they do but they still dead name me and everything. But at school with my friends support me and if it wasn't for them I would have committed $u!c!d3. If people don't start realizing that that is one of the main reasons that the $u!c!d3 rate among trans people is so high it's not going to get better
@@Johnnysmithy24 Yeah, basically like listen to my own personal anecdote and take it as universal law.
@@BC08 Pretty narcissistic when you think about it
SPEAKING AS A PARENT: Kids NEED validation from their parents, it's part of our JOB as parents to make sure our children feel loved and accepted. And affirming our kids when it comes to sexual orientation, gender, and/or expression is VITAL for our kids' well-being!!! It's honestly just lazy parenting to keep pretending your kids are whatever you want them to be, instead of actually listening to them.
Thank you...finally, a healthy parent who loves their child unconditionally and never harms or neglects them....I don't see why these people, (and these conservative toxic males) had kids in the first place. Why do you want to spend 20 years minimum of your life raising another human being just for them to believe and value the same shit that you do...and to sweep their problems under the rug and go "seek validation within yourself"...that plastic surgery looking dude was either trying to win his argument or he genuinely believes a DEVELOPING CHILD does not need affirmation of validation from ANYONE, even within their blood and their own bloody household (turned British there lmao)
My mother told me that i wasn’t bisexual, and that my friends left me because i was a f*****. She also told me that all my friends were f*****s and not to be trusted because they were trying to make me gay, and they were evil. When she found me crying in my room 8 months later, i told her it was because of her aforementioned actions. Then she took back only one of her statements. She said “you can be what ever you want to be.” I honestly believe that she had zero intention of taking it back, because other times she would just walk into my room, tell me that i hated her, and i should stop being depressed. Then she’d fall asleep on my bed while I continued talking to my friends. I still haven’t forgiven her. She still thinks the same way, and I don’t think that will change.
@@bebble985 I’m sorry that you’re mom has such an awful way of parenting. I hope that you can one day leave that toxic environment, and find refuge in some well meaning friends, or some other, more accepting family ❤️
@@bebble985 Son, take care of yourself.
If need be please don't be scared to seek help.
They say 87% of kids who think their trans grow out of it. Why validate it, they most likely grow out of it. If you give them puberty blockers and hormones, it becomes permanent.
as a cis man, i wasn't aware that "men" was a culture.
also, sus as hell to care so much about what's in another man's pants :?
Bro it'll be fine, he definitely has socks on!
"Lemme take off your pants bro no homo."
“DNA doesn’t change”? Our DNA is constantly changing!
Gene expression can also be affected by many things besides the DNA sequences. Have those guys never heard of epigenetics?
I doubt a single one of those conservatives has a genuine functional understanding of the genetics involved in sexual development. Every single one of them likely has a elementary school level of underanding "XX is girl, XY is boy!". As if the whole thing centers simply on what chromosome is present.
Also just- as a cis woman who had a hysterectomy I'm always baffled by how often transphobes boil it down to "you have these parts" etc- do they realize hysts are one of the most common surgeries and how many cis women walk around with no uterus, no ovaries, and taking hormones? Do they invalidate us? No they effing dont
Sometimes I’ll ask the “I believe in biology and XX XY chromosomes” folks how many variations of XY have been discovered, and they never respond. Interesting how the “it’s science” group don’t understand science
As another cis woman who had a hysterectomy (only things left are ovaries), I totally agree. Although the bigots will probably just counter that argument with, "Well you were BORN with a uterus and ovaries" etc etc. It's like, yeah, so what? There are trans women out there who present way more feminine than I do, who also don't have uteruses and have just as much oestrogen in their system as me, it doesn't make them any less a woman.
@@Tamara-id1pe "the “it’s science” group don’t understand science": True, and they conveniently forget science that is more complex than 3rd grade (elementary) stuff.
@@iidentifyasjeffbezos
"some women are unfortunate": There is nothing fortunate about having certain body parts and as you can see by the medical advancements, most of those organs can be replaced if necessary.
"Exceptions don't make it the rule": Yes, they do. That's exactly how it works.
"you don't bleed or female born, then you're a fake human being": Lmfao, what? Are you denying the existence of men and the fact that women bleed if they injure themselves?
@@07Flash11MRC Yes it's unfortunate for some women because they would have loved to have child bearing organs, it's also unfortunate for poor women who can't get these surgeries & trans women who are too poor to under go trans surgery. So yes it's all unfortunate for some people.
Just bc few Women don't have uterus doesn't give any one else the right to say they want to cut their penis off and become a woman, just bc few Women can't give birth doesn't automatically make anyone who can't give birth a woman, there's literally no sense in that, if so then all men are already women. There's no need for any distinction anymore. Let me explain it to you again
Just because some women don't bleed & get their period DOESN'T EQUAL to a man who doesn't have periods to say he's a woman too.
It's not the same thing, you don't have a uterus because you're a man, she's a woman with no uterus or she simply has a "problem", trans women were healthy men, so you can't really compare the two. Some women don't breast feed because they have fake boobs, that doesn't mean a man with boobs can point and say "look, she can't break feed too, we are both the same, if one of us isn't a woman then non of us are" just because Betty decided to get breast implants doesn't make you a woman, just because some women can't give birth doesn't make you a woman. Betty was bio born, with some altercations. You can still out fight Betty in strength & speed.
If you've had any plastic surgery that wasn't life threatening then yes you are a fake bodied person. Trans women and men are man made, silicone, plastic, fake.
Trans people are fake people & people are people, you can't just decide what u are when nature is against it. I hear trrans women torn 😿 keeps closing up like an injured piercing, that's nature speaking up. You're wasting ur time arguing with me, I simply just think trans women are not on the same platue as women, I mean look at how they are dominating women's sport, that's no coincidence.
There's a difference between trans men/women and men/women, deny that all you want and cry yourself to sleep while doing so.
"but you still have ovaries"
Imagine how shook he would of be if one of them said no cause they had them removed. lmfao.
They’d end up getting into chromosomes, I bet, and at that point they’d refuse to acknowledge that you have to get tests done to even know for sure what chromosomes you have
I'm awaiting the day when chromosomes are investigated and can no longer be used in an argument against trans people. There is one case of a trans man's chromosomes not being completely female.
Does that mean they think women that went through an oophorectomy aren't "real women" anymore? 🤔
I love the point of "okay, so if we have a man who was born with a penis, and he has a horrific accident, and now has his penis taken off in said accident, is he no longer a man? What if he has XX chromosomes but never knew? Is he not a man?"
@@DeathnoteBB then they would ignore the fact that chromosomes are unreliable
Red tie is so pleased with himself when he starts talking about biology. *Glances over at biology degree on my shelf* Not even close, sir.
These biology-based arguments that some transphobes use to justify their opinions annoy the hell out of me. I want to study biology in uni, and find biology really interesting (so I am in no way an expert), but transphobes often reduce the entire field to what they've been taught in middle school. There's like, so much nuance in sex and gender, and it's sadly ignored.
(Sorry for the mini rant)
Would be so pleased if they got trans deniers vs biologists on here
@@coalvarner1813 OHHHHH YES
@@marianmeletlidiscrap Yes, there is plenty of nuance. However, a few basic things have to be understood and accepted. First of all, why do we have sex in the first place? For procreation. Period. In the human species, we are sexually dimorphic, meaning we come in 2 distinct forms: male and female. We are also anasogamous, meaning we procreate by the uniting of the large, non-motile gametes produced by the females and the small, motile gametes produced by the males. VERY strictly speaking, in biology, ALL small gamete producing members of a species are referred to as "male" and all large gamete producing members are referred to as "female". For example, sea horses are a species where the males give birth. Yet, they are still referred to as "male" because they produce the small, motile gametes.
From a strictly biological perspective, humans aren't much more complicated than that. However, differences in sex development (DSDs, often referred to as "intersex") cause some individuals to go slightly "off track" on the way to developing the anatomy and functioning to produce either large or small gametes. This does not make them "between" male or female, nor does it make any of them a true hermaphrodite (no such thing has ever been observed in the human species). The vast majority of humans with DSDs are very definitely male or female but because of ambiguous genitalia, it may take a DNA test to determine what the official situation is. Either way, there is no 3rd gamete and no 3rd procreative function in humans therefore no 3rd sex.
As far as gender goes, I'm not sure any biological basis for gender has even been explained. We would have to find whatever mechanism in the brain causes one to feel an incongruance between their internal sense of self and the outward anatomy of their dimorphically sexed body. That hasn't been discovered yet. In other words, no one knows what causes gender dysphoria. It would be interesting, and possibly incredibly helpful to those who suffer from gender dysphoria to know what truly causes it. Perhaps we could develop a way to predict for sure when medical transition will definitely give the best outcome for the mental health of an individual.
If you think biology supports transgenderism, give your argument. Don't just allude to the idea that you have air-tight facts.
Buck made me sad. i loved seeing the older trans representation. But the pick me attitude and the basically confirming of antitrans misinformation is so sad. Hormone blockers are literally reversable. Thats like the whole point. And preventing puberty for kids can make the difference between life and death. The actual treatment for gender dysphoria IS TRANSITION. It can save a life and it makes me so sad. Also, Buck referring to himself as transexual is also hard to hear. That was transphobic term GIVEN to trans people in older generations. I'm so upset at this all but its so important to discuss.
Horomone blockers are not known to be reversible. The NHS used to display on their website that horomone blockers are reversible, they have since removed this. Here is what they say: "Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.
Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.
It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations."
In other words, they don't know. Kids on these drugs now are the guinea pigs.
Transsexual isn’t a transphobic term 🤣 shit up you obnoxious liberal
@@wolfetteplays8894 Honey, are you trans?
I’ve watched his channel and he uses a lot of TERF points and thinks that the trans community is a “cult” and doesn’t think non-binary aren’t trans. He interviews a lot of detransitioners and uses them and intersex peoples arguments to argue against younger trans people transitioning.
@@fenrirgallant8766 Well, who better to talk to about the ins and outs of transgerderism than detransitioners?
Not the dude who's afraid of crying because people won't see him as a man saying "you shouldn't base your validation off of others"
for real though. the people trying to dismiss and invalidate by saying you don't shouldn't want external validation is desperately dripping for external validation
“When I look at you I don’t see a man either, I see a giant dumbass” BRUH IM CACKLING - good one 😂💀
“i cAnT BeLIvE yOu mUTilAteD yOuR hAiR”
a transphobe probably
"Mutilated hair" lmfao
25:10 That's like telling a kid to 'suck it up' over getting bullied for things out of their control.
Orange Man with Botox: “WE as a society need to empower children!”
Also Orange Man with Botox: “You should only have validation from within, you shouldn’t need the people closest to you to empower you!”
All this while massively invalidating trans people. It’s honestly impressive.
And whether you need validation from others or not, that still doesn't excuse someone saying horrible things to you and comments that are invasive or personal. If a transphobe starts misgendering someone and says "you shouldn't need my validation of your gender, validation comes from within", that still doesn't excuse what they said .
Orange man with Botox throughout most of the video: 🗿
@@dovee1 that actually sounds like a messed up excuse to be mean to people
@@roze4412 exactly
@@dovee1 The other part that this dumb guy doesn’t even realize is that CIS people can suffer the invalidation of their gender just as much as trans people. I was kinda frustrated that nobody pointed this out. It was so glaringly painful for me to see that man talk about how being trans (which he defines as an ideology or belief system, which is dumb in itself) is the belief that your gender must be validated by other people. That is how ALL gender is validated, for trans and cis people. If a cis woman were to be called a man, and people called her by he/him, she would be invalidated as a woman by society, and possibly feel demeaned and degraded and, yes, “devalued”. If a cis man were to be called a woman, and people referred to him by she/her, he would also feel these same things. And this DOES happen! Cis women have been insulted by being called too masculine, and cis men have been insulted by being called too feminine, this isn’t an issue isolated to trans people. Gender is a societal perception for many, and especially for the cis. Gender requires validation of other people for many. And of course, this is just one type of view on gender, as many people believe gender is internally whatever you feel and it doesn’t matter what other people think, but even to the logic of this conservative that “being trans is to be worried about other people’s perceptions and that is unhealthy” is insane because that’s not what it means to be trans… that’s what it means to be a human who operates in a society that gives you roles. This happens with age too, where you can be called old when you are actually young, or called young when you’re actually older. This happens with race, especially multiracial or adoptees who do not fit the prescribed “social role” given by their society. All identity is intended to require validation, otherwise we cannot signal our identity to others. It would be great to live in a society where you didn’t have to care about what people thought about your age, race, gender, or whatever and just be treated with respect no matter what, but that is not the society we live in and it’s so insane to say trans people should just not attempt to integrate into society, especially when these same conservatives ridicule transgender people for not WANTING to integrate into society.
Oh my god middle ground. I love these videos but oh my god. "Appropriating Men". Harry Styles is singlehandedly erasing manhood
Also that one guy: I'm not transphobic, I have a trans man friend but also I fucking hate them (misgendering) and I don't think they deserve respect
when he said appropriating men i lost all off my little marbles
As a Harry Styles fan, everytime they say that stuff I'm like...he isn't AT ALL though...like I love and support the things he's doing but he's hardly an activist 😅
@@fdm1209 exactly, I’m also a big fan of him but he isn’t even the only male celebrity that dresses more feminine
The only person I see as erasing gender is the streamer Eret, she posted a pic of themselves wearing these extraordinary boots and I lost my mind. He looked mind-bogglingly fabulous and I'm sure she would have the bigots confused.
@@SupraMan38 good thing the big ones are stuck in place there
I love how 3/4 of the men on the trans side are more masculine than half the men on the conservative side
Fake it till you make it, right?
that still doesnt make them more of a man lmao
@@AgentOrangeeeee Never said that, just making an honest observation of the irony
@@avoidantbehavior bro you are so obsessed lol how i’m the world does this effect you so badly that you feel the need to leave multiple comments under one video abt jt
@@epiccoolawesomehandle you chillin in the comments enough to find em. I ain’t know there was a limit
I think transphobes care more about what's in my pants than I do even fr. It's bananas.
Also the dressing like a dude until middle school cause kids are mean was just straight up me. I had the sharpest suit outfit that I loved until I was made fun of too much.
Is the "It's bananas"a way of saying "it's crazy" or is that what is in your pants, a dozen bananas
@@t-dude352 Took me a second NGL lol
Well definitely the first, but who knows I might get bored and decide to transport bananas.
@@t-dude352 I knew there was a reason why they taught us how to put a condom on a banana.
"We at jubilee encourage empathy and ask that you see the humanity in everyone on our show. Now watch as we don't interfere while conservatives harass trans people for half and hour straight"
This is my exact problem with Jubilee. Tara Mooknee made a great video about that topic, if you haven't yet seen it!
@@emmainkeri7497 I have seen it! Def would recommend
Something about standing back while an oppressor harasses those that they oppress for content and views rubs me the wrong way. It’s so uncomfortable 🤨
Edit: idk if that’s just my opinion as a trans person, but I felt kind of sick watching the video
@@zach7877 this video was kind of hard for me to get through tbh, it made my stomach churn
@@zach7877 I feel you, as a genderfluid who has yet to come out ans hasn't experienced any backlash of what I am except for those rogue thoughts in my own mind this video definitely pissed me off and mad my stomach hurt. I spent most of this video pausing the screen and talking to myself about how much I hate people who try to invalidate the trans experience.
Edit: Genderfluid teen.
I have never once felt like a trans woman is attempting to “appropriate” me?! If anything, it’s like, welcome girl! You get it!!
Your getting more women to add to your forces? Like take the support
The more the merrier!
We need more people like you. Thank you so much. Now if only I could find a girlfriend.
Yes! As a soft butch cis-woman, I feel the same. I adore trans women. Welcome to womanhood. ❤️
@@JeannieLove i send luck for finding a girlfriend, we all deserve love 😊
Also, Gilbert shouldn’t call himself a friend to the trans “friend” he has, a real friend respects that person even when they don’t agree with it, it’s simply basic human decency, “ I don’t wanna play into illusions” SHUT UP, it’s not an illusion, this is another HUMAN BEING TRYING TO LIVE LIFE, it’s so easy to be respectful, almost too easy, Gilbert is a horrible friend and I hope his friend realizes this and ends that relationship.
Literally, Gilbert can go suck it. He's incredibly arrogant while also showing a shocking amount of ignorance, whioe still trying to seem "holy-er than thou". He's not a friend to that trans man, he's a douche and I hope that his pal drops him quickly. ESPECIALLY after seeing this!
Definitely hope the “friend” has already long written Gilbert off but in a “I don’t wanna hurt anyone’s feelings and you’re… not throwing slurs so I’ll just… not talk to you if you don’t talk to me”
And Gilbert is just too ignorant to grasp that they’re not actually friends
@@DeathnoteBB right, it’s just so rude of a person to not respect you though and call you delusional because you realized that you were transgender, I really hate people like Gilbert he gets on my nerves
hes treating his friend like a political play. like 'im not transphobic, look at my trans friend! i dont respect them tho :D'
@@asherjohanson5170 fr, he did it in the video specifically mentioning he had a friend who was transgender to see as if he wasn’t homophobic but then calls it “delusions” mhm so not homophobic (the sarcasm)
" I love people who can express themselves, we live in America, i love that people are living their best lives" also him like some minutes ago "yes i dont see you a s a man though" " IF YOU SIT ON THE FLOOR YOURE A WOMAN AWOOGAAGGA" " MASCULINITY IS DISAPPEARING " " IF YOURE A MAN INTERNALIZE YOUR FEELING YESSSSS" seems kinds contradictory doesnt it.... im in pain because of this video actually
as a single parent of a transgender teen: THANK YOU! these videos help me to understand and support my child better, i don't feel alone in my struggles. it's so hard to go through the process with school, doctors, therapists and legal issues. i just want my child to be happy and i have a hard time seeing them suffer.
(i had to pause this video frequently and take a break since the presented 'arguments' are just so ignorant)
as a trans person thank you for trying to better understand your child. having a supportive parent helped me become a happy and successful person. wishing the best for you and your child.
@@nickb2478
Just don’t let the rhetoric of “would you prefer as trans child or deceased child “ emotional blackmail to cloud your judgement. It’s sick on kids and parents and the monsters perpetuating that should be brought to justice.
I’m trans, I have a few trans friends and none of us went down that route and most don’t , sure , your child might feel unhappy but don’t let the worst case scenario influence you. Push back is okay and a good thing. Let’s us know if it something we truly do want or not.
Were you always happy? Probably not. But you got through it.
Back in 2000 as a 16 year old I felt so alone, nobody understood, I didn’t understand. There’s was a lot of pressure to not transition.
I was ostracised , punched, spat on, berated.
Still here though.
Being a kid sucks , moody teenagers are well documented.
To quote the princess bride “ life is pain “.
If your kid truly is gender dysphoric, it’s a natural endpoint for them to transition. Let them make that choice as an adult. Mummy doing everything for them will only stunt their growth. I backed out 4 times. It’s a very serious decision.
I made it to 31 before I eventually took that leap but I was ready.
Detransition is massively on the rise, I’d hate for someone to make the wrong decision. Being supportive and affirming can have negative consequences.
But nobody wants to talk about that.
@Uriel with that attitude you deserve everything you get.
@@christinaedwards5084 thank you for explaining your POV. but i will always support my child, we talked a lot for over a year and are still talking, transition is not going to happen soon unfortunately, my child (17) is suffering rn and waiting for psychiatric treatment in a clinic and after that has to see a therapist for 6 month before even be considered for transitioning. so i will be with her every step of the way
That one guy really just said "i thought trans ppl would be fatherless"
Average tranphobe be like:
Actually i think they have mother issues because they are likely gay women right? because they attract women? or might want to attract women? please prove me wrong
Ikr 💀💀💀
As a woman who is very independent, asexual, and has always had a preference for men's fashion/hobbies, I have never understood the biology = gender argument. It makes no sense. My sex being female did not make me like having long hair, wearing feminine clothes, wearing makeup and nails... My super short hair has even caused me to get addressed as sir sometimes. But I don't feel pulled toward any gender. I just ended up liking whatever I like and I live my life. That's it. My sex had absolutely nothing to do with what colors, fashion, hairstyle, etc. I enjoy. What we determine to be feminine and masculine is a social construct (not biology like they got mixed up in the video). This was so aggravating to watch, like why can't we just mind our own business.
@@pudgealicious i thought tht said in the valid but oml both works too-
@@Corfaisus eh its good enough for me-
This is my opinion so don’t get crazy about it but I Disagree with you
@@ethannicolazdavidson6674 does that mean you just don't wanna live like them (even though they wasn't offering?) or does that mean you don't think they can exist like that?-
Biology IS gender; the mistake is in thinking being born a certain sex necessarily means you have to adopt gender ROLES traditionally assigned to your sex. It's completely possible to be a girl in a girl's body who wants short hair and doesn't like pink or dolls. It's completely possible to be a masculine woman; it doesn't mean you have to cut off your breasts and get a hysterectomy jut because you behave in a way atypical you your sex/gender.
The guy who’s saying being a man is hiding yourself just to be the tough guy has had more mental breakdowns in the shower than god can count I can promise you.