On the first day the Frost Giant game comes out, you should immediately choose a random unit and do that unit to GM series. You'll be at least a couple of years ahead of the pack.
24:00... I think it works like this - chrono gives 50% boots over 20s (30s of work in 20s), and a probe takes 12s to build. So: recall = save one probe, cost 50 energy, delay 4 seconds chrono = get a replacement probe, cost 50 energy + 50 minerals, delay 8 seconds At a glance, it looks like recalling the probe is better than chronoing a replacement for _one_ probe. But recall runs the risk of losing the probe before it comes home. Considering _more than one_ probe - chrono basically packs 30s into 20s, so you gain 10s of production time for a chrono. That's less than the total build time for one probe. Recall still wins.
final stats recall: 1 full probe chrono: 5/6 of a probe, -50 minerals compared to recall. Recall gives 4s of mining time over chrono on the first worker, but that's pretty negligible (~3.666 minerals)
I got SC2 when it first came out, sucked at it and was awesome at halo wars so I gave up on it immediately. I saw this series and thought I would give the game a try again. Now, its my favorite and I am actually getting better! Love your channel!
This is such an awesome series man, thanks for the cool games and definitely I would enjoy seeing cheese to top 10! So please for me do feel free to keep at the cheese as long as you really want, it's always entertaining and leads to such nice games (at least for the cheeser).
Amazing how after all these years of SC2 you can still see and/or learn something new and exciting. People often tell me i'm wasting my time watching these "Space shenanigans" instead of actually playing but i disagree 100%. Best half an hour a day to chill, laugh and have a cold one after a long day of work. Cheers!
Great, I have recently seen old troll games from Dragon, a lot of fun to watch was a cheese series in which he made only PF's and Orbitals, using scans & mules to take all the opponents recourses, only turrets and the only unit made was Raven.. Dunno if this possible on GM lvl.
I think the better math question is if mules are actually any good vs calling down a supply depot. A mule gives a temporary boost to mining, and will "drop" some minerals on its last trip as it runs out of energy minerals disappear. A supply drop gives you 100 minerals and the mining time of the SCV.
With respect to chrono nexus vs recall scouting probe: recall the scouting probe is actually better, but if you have an aggressive build and want to chrono your gateway or warp gate research, there's justification to not recall the probe.
There are people like me that have anxiety problems... I like your videos, they keep me company You are like TheViper or T90 before they were cool and lost the anti anxiety charm Please don't get too big for yourself and stay simple and easy for us to reach
Maths says Recall is better because when recalled the probe can start mining right away AND you don't have to spend minerals to get it back, just energy on the Nexus.
Forgive me if this has already been established I havent watched all the cheese to GM videos yet but I think it would be okay to do other kinds of cheese like greedy cheese. I dont think all cheese needs to necessarily end the game quickly. It would make sense to call an extreme greed build cheesy too. I think it could be fun to bend what you mean by cheese a little bit.
Yes to AMA!!! Have you ever been to austria? Do you ever think about beverly hills by weezer when you see yourself? (like i do when i see you, for whatever godforsaken reason)
Marc is all excited about his legendary build, but I'm just happy he got +15mmr so we got at least 2 more episodes before he calls it quits! Cheese to ONE baby!
You should keep doing this until you loose MMR 2-3 episodes in a row. We all want to see how far you can go, and this gets even more interesting the higher the MMR gets. Seeing top level cheese games is really the peak of starcraft entertainment!
I wouldn't mind seeing a greatest hits finale: redo the "Wait, is this actually really strong?" cheeses and either find out the counter or continue the series until someone figures it out.
Heyy what about a fake AFK, just hiding a base and make battlecruiser or whatever. That would be cool. Love your videos man always make my day after work
good job . if you decide to finish cheese, could you leave a day each week for older series? and maybe mix and match them? i think it could be fun. i seriously miss older challenges.
I think the last game could've worked better for the Protoss player if he at least know how to use High Templars since Psionic Storms melt Marines especially without the Medivac. Also, aside from the Stalkers, seems like Protoss in general don't have an answer to early cheeses. Now I fully understand why most players rush their Protoss opponents.
Between Penguins, Ghosts, and Cheese, I am sorry to say marc that I have absolutely no idea which cheeses you have or haven't done for this series as they have all been terran. (I will probably be able to keep better track when you off race for this series though).
I don't think a single high level player cares about APM besides memes, there's just nothing to do early on if you're fast enough so we just spam a little bit and keep the tempo up I guess
That's gotta be Harstem with cheesiest man alive right? Like I almost feel like I've watched him lose that game from the other size and I'm writing this before the game is over Edit: I mean with the gl hf, I can't believe you didn't name him as one of the guys who says that Edit 2: Nah actually I don't think so, or at least I didn't see it. I thought it was the same mmr, he said gl hf, maybe it was him but could have been others. I did find the game I thought it was on his channel when trying to figure it out, it's pretty different, every starcraft 2 game looks so similar to me but I can tell you exactly how every ASL game will go after watching the first couple of minutes and possibly the players
Haha I love that you admit you're a poor loser when you're literally just experimenting with cheesy plays. You're incredible, we all take a hit now and then.
After your SC2 career you should go into politics. Man do you know how to talk! Great video's ,keep it up fellow Dutchman! edit : Cyclones... dear lord..
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On the first day the Frost Giant game comes out, you should immediately choose a random unit and do that unit to GM series. You'll be at least a couple of years ahead of the pack.
ya could be the start to his channel exploding
Especially if there's a unit that looks like a penguin
I agree
This is the most brilliant bad idea yet
24:00... I think it works like this - chrono gives 50% boots over 20s (30s of work in 20s), and a probe takes 12s to build.
So:
recall = save one probe, cost 50 energy, delay 4 seconds
chrono = get a replacement probe, cost 50 energy + 50 minerals, delay 8 seconds
At a glance, it looks like recalling the probe is better than chronoing a replacement for _one_ probe. But recall runs the risk of losing the probe before it comes home.
Considering _more than one_ probe - chrono basically packs 30s into 20s, so you gain 10s of production time for a chrono. That's less than the total build time for one probe. Recall still wins.
final stats
recall: 1 full probe
chrono: 5/6 of a probe, -50 minerals compared to recall.
Recall gives 4s of mining time over chrono on the first worker, but that's pretty negligible (~3.666 minerals)
And you are building one while recalling one too.
you are such a nice person man watching you makes me happy i dont even play terran. you're awesome
I got SC2 when it first came out, sucked at it and was awesome at halo wars so I gave up on it immediately. I saw this series and thought I would give the game a try again. Now, its my favorite and I am actually getting better! Love your channel!
16:55 "You need to send your (...) deep, cause some people are crazy enough to take it from the back" - uThermal, 2022. You heard it here first, guys.
hahahaha I read this comment and thought there's no way I actually said that
@@uThermal you actually said it twice🤣🤣🤣
This is such an awesome series man, thanks for the cool games and definitely I would enjoy seeing cheese to top 10! So please for me do feel free to keep at the cheese as long as you really want, it's always entertaining and leads to such nice games (at least for the cheeser).
Amazing how after all these years of SC2 you can still see and/or learn something new and exciting. People often tell me i'm wasting my time watching these "Space shenanigans" instead of actually playing but i disagree 100%. Best half an hour a day to chill, laugh and have a cold one after a long day of work. Cheers!
Great, I have recently seen old troll games from Dragon, a lot of fun to watch was a cheese series in which he made only PF's and Orbitals, using scans & mules to take all the opponents recourses, only turrets and the only unit made was Raven.. Dunno if this possible on GM lvl.
Just got back into sc after many years, will be watching these.
I think the better math question is if mules are actually any good vs calling down a supply depot. A mule gives a temporary boost to mining, and will "drop" some minerals on its last trip as it runs out of energy minerals disappear. A supply drop gives you 100 minerals and the mining time of the SCV.
Mules are always better
Sad since BeastyQT stopped playing SC2, I didn't know who to watch. I only recently learned about you, subbed.
Bro don’t you DARE end this series!!!! It’s Cheese to #1!!!!
uThermal Fightiiiiiiing!!!!!!
"I have a crazy idea..." (everyone smiles)
With respect to chrono nexus vs recall scouting probe: recall the scouting probe is actually better, but if you have an aggressive build and want to chrono your gateway or warp gate research, there's justification to not recall the probe.
As a cheese enthusiast I'm glad you saved the series so it is extended! 🎉
There are people like me that have anxiety problems...
I like your videos, they keep me company
You are like TheViper or T90 before they were cool and lost the anti anxiety charm
Please don't get too big for yourself and stay simple and easy for us to reach
Love your work, stay strong man. Especially during the tough times!
You are soooo good at this game, I love watching your videos, I'm hard stuck in Plat so is great to see how practice really does make perfect 😊
Maths says Recall is better because when recalled the probe can start mining right away AND you don't have to spend minerals to get it back, just energy on the Nexus.
Definitely would be interested in an AMA
Thanks for the content uThermal, so many good ideas in this series to keep busy on the ladder!
NEED CHEESE!!!! I've had american, I've had nacho, but my favorite cheese is uThermal. "Extra uThermal and pepperoni please."
27:01 This only happens in my Terran dream
or Protoss nightmare
Forgive me if this has already been established I havent watched all the cheese to GM videos yet but I think it would be okay to do other kinds of cheese like greedy cheese. I dont think all cheese needs to necessarily end the game quickly. It would make sense to call an extreme greed build cheesy too. I think it could be fun to bend what you mean by cheese a little bit.
He did at least one of those early on.
Love trying your builds out so much fun, I’m so tired of playing the meta all the time keep it up brother!
My friend, that beard is magnificent...please never shave again and grace the world with it's glory!!
I could watch these forever. I'm sure most people are just fine with whatever you're doin!
An AMA would be sick
Great stuff and good luck in the tournament!
I was never a fan of yours, but def enjoyed your games when watching pro tourneys. Good to see a face and voice to the name.
Thanks for the contents and your sense of humour! Like it a lot😊
That last game build was nice
Yes to AMA!!! Have you ever been to austria? Do you ever think about beverly hills by weezer when you see yourself? (like i do when i see you, for whatever godforsaken reason)
I am a uThermal believer! An AMA would be awesome!
Enjoying your great amusing content every time! :)
Marc is all excited about his legendary build, but I'm just happy he got +15mmr so we got at least 2 more episodes before he calls it quits! Cheese to ONE baby!
I am, and have always been, a uThermy-believer.
Any chance you want to play zerg? Work with ultras?
If a chrono saves the time to produce a probe, then you save the cost of the probe by recalling it.
that last guy should have just left after losing an oracle and two phoenix for free.
you should be given Swiss honorable citizen for your cheese contribution to the community :D
You should keep doing this until you loose MMR 2-3 episodes in a row. We all want to see how far you can go, and this gets even more interesting the higher the MMR gets. Seeing top level cheese games is really the peak of starcraft entertainment!
Hmm does rushing out nuke in early game consider cheese? I maybe never seen that in high level yet.
New challenge idea: One to GM so you can do things like:
1 base to GM, or 1 gas to GM, 1 type of unit to GM, etc.
Come on Thermy, I remember one game where you was specially aware of vision radius of watch towers when placing proxy production. What happened?
Me encanta cuando aniquilas a los Protoss.
New series idea: wings of liberty builds to grandmaster
Are you not going to switch to random after youre done with terran? I was really looking forward to what sick p and z cheeses you had in store!
Any idea how long thermy rolled random if any?
I wouldn't mind seeing a greatest hits finale: redo the "Wait, is this actually really strong?" cheeses and either find out the counter or continue the series until someone figures it out.
Great series! I'll end up in silver soon because of all my failed cheese attempts 😆👍
For your last episode you should do a best of 7 in a battle of "Challenge vs GM"
Cheese has been my favorite series, I hope to continue to top 16, but move as you are called uThermal :)
Cool build...must try it
Do you have any CC first eco cheeses?
Heyy what about a fake AFK, just hiding a base and make battlecruiser or whatever. That would be cool.
Love your videos man always make my day after work
good job . if you decide to finish cheese, could you leave a day each week for older series? and maybe mix and match them? i think it could be fun. i seriously miss older challenges.
It's not healthy to mix your food too much.
Go algo go! It is me, the viewdriver!
I think the last game could've worked better for the Protoss player if he at least know how to use High Templars since Psionic Storms melt Marines especially without the Medivac. Also, aside from the Stalkers, seems like Protoss in general don't have an answer to early cheeses. Now I fully understand why most players rush their Protoss opponents.
What a hard Stargate counter. Wouldn't want to face this on the ladder, I love Phoenix builds lol
For the AMA: How do I get more than 3 APM and how do I get worried about having to repair a unit even if it has only lost 1HP?
Why are you always selecting the ebay before throwing the barrack?
the funniest one so far to me was the marine thor bc proxy. It looked so fucked up to play against.
6.1k Protoss, could be another pro doing a series like you and just hasn't gotten up there in MMR yet.
combat shield magfield is SICK
definitely one of the cooler cheeses i've seen in a while
Why USers tend to use negative words for positive meanings and vice versa? That build is brilliant, outstanding, genius in simplicity.
Between Penguins, Ghosts, and Cheese, I am sorry to say marc that I have absolutely no idea which cheeses you have or haven't done for this series as they have all been terran. (I will probably be able to keep better track when you off race for this series though).
While I am excited for the off race portion of this series, I am excited to see if you can get to the very top with just cheeses (and beat HM :) )
Cant wait to try these builds on the ladder!
Would pure Banshee + Viking work?
Suggestion: 2 vikings in medivac with scv's in medivac on auto repair. Test your micro.
Dank cheese 🧀
My pc crashed and is unable to run any games anymore. I watch every video you’ve made and really wish I could play again. One day🤞🏻
next challenge , mass SCV / PF to grandmaster :D
love you content btw keep going.....
Chrono lasts for about 3 probes i think. Shaves 10 seconds off of upgrades.
Can you do some more team games to switch it up
i'd love more cheese2gm D:
I personally love stinky stinky blue cheese.
recalling the probe is about 10 minerals more efficient :)
AMA would be great
Sometimes I wonder if streamers do extra clicking just to get higher APM for the sake of it? Or is it just a habit?
I don't think a single high level player cares about APM besides memes, there's just nothing to do early on if you're fast enough so we just spam a little bit and keep the tempo up I guess
@@uThermal i see thanks for the input! Nice games btw!
I want you to do what makes you happy. Because what makes you happy will make me happy. 😉
You sound like Artosis with that first game salt
Poor Tossadar always gets the cheese.
Better the cheese you know no matter how salty and old it is.
It's time, to yolo!!!
That's gotta be Harstem with cheesiest man alive right? Like I almost feel like I've watched him lose that game from the other size and I'm writing this before the game is over
Edit: I mean with the gl hf, I can't believe you didn't name him as one of the guys who says that
Edit 2: Nah actually I don't think so, or at least I didn't see it. I thought it was the same mmr, he said gl hf, maybe it was him but could have been others. I did find the game I thought it was on his channel when trying to figure it out, it's pretty different, every starcraft 2 game looks so similar to me but I can tell you exactly how every ASL game will go after watching the first couple of minutes and possibly the players
you should show maru this build so his win percentage is increased by 1 or 2 percent vs protoss. which is his weakest atm
Yay!
Risk it for the bisked
Not bad
The first game is a mistake from uThermal. He, as a GM, should know the range of the watch tower..
Try other race like zerg cheese then after protoss cheese
Haha I love that you admit you're a poor loser when you're literally just experimenting with cheesy plays. You're incredible, we all take a hit now and then.
Yey!
After your SC2 career you should go into politics. Man do you know how to talk! Great video's ,keep it up fellow Dutchman! edit : Cyclones... dear lord..
Do you really read your comments sir? What is 6×8=
69
How come you never get scouted? I'm barely plat 2 and get scouted every game
I think it is Because in lower leagues people overcommit to the scout because cheesy bs is the norm there
more proxy 3rax reaper pls....
Красавчик!!
I lose 10 in a row, 3 is nothing :D
Spoiler alert: he is constantly talking, and it is less annoying without sound
Hello!