I feel like LM just pulled a giant “you can’t sit with us.” Hair care does not need to be exclusionary. Call your hair care whatever you want. Do whatever works for you and don’t let anyone bully you into feeling bad about taking care of yourself properly instead of following their dogma.
I just went and looked up that post on her Instagram. I can’t respect her for that and it is very petty. She could easily have her method and say she gets why it doesn’t work for everyone and work need to modify it. She could have had grave and said she was happy to give a starting off point for those of us who have struggled with our hair.
I feel like Lorraine Massey’s curly girl method was developed for her hair. It’s really only good for people who have hair and scalp like hers. It was developed at a time when hair care was awful. Everything was INTENSE shampoo and weak conditioners or a lot of silicone. So her no poo idea was revolutionary at the time. Not washing your hair everyday was revolutionary. Products are so much better and diverse today.
Right? In the last couple months I've also started hearing more about the "tightly curly method". So she even seems to have lost people on the other end of the spectrum with hair curlier than LM along with those less curly or with different scalp types or porosities.
Idk, my dad was telling me I didn't need to wash my hair every day back in the 90s because he grew up with women who were raised during the Depression, who only bathed once a month and got thier hair "set". 🤷♀️
Really, the idea that you had to bathe every day was promoted by the soap industry, back in the late 70’s and early 80’s. My family didn’t fall for it- my sister was regularly seeing a dermatologist as an INFANT, and he was horrified by the idea. He FORBID my mother to bathe my sister daily, because it is so bad for the skin. This was before ‘microbiome’ was even a word. So, by the time the 90’s rolled around, and the ‘wash your hair every day’ campaign started (yup, by the shampoo industry), I already knew better. Many of my peers (I was born in 1970) thought I was gross for only showering 3 times a week, and washing my hair 1-2 times a week. And yet, they couldn’t figure out why I had healthier hair, and far better skin than them! Advertising can be a really toxic influence on people.
I’ve always been so suspicious of someone who says: all you have been trying is wrong. Only my way is the right way. And only these products, that I happen to sell, are the right things to use. My grandfather would have called that a snake oil salesman
Knowing that Lorraine Massey doesn’t want anyone calling themselves modified CGM, now I won’t mention it all when people ask me how I got my hair to look the way it does.
"Well, I found some amazing TH-camrs that taught me some great information about curl friendly products and techniques. You could check out one of my favorites. Her name is Courtney."
I honestly got emotional watching this, particularly while you were talking about how important it is for you to share high quality products in every price point. You are wonderful, and you’re helping so many people. Thank you for this video!
Social media has made the CGM what it is today. Massey started it but when social media really got going, people started sharing their ideas and it morphed into a large online classroom. People helping one another with their curls when curls were not the *in* thing. Forget the name, just go on helping other wavy,curlies. I am 53 & have learned so much in the past 5 months of finding your channel!Your an awesome teacher! Blessings!😄
I've always found it interesting that Lorraine Massey went on to create a very broad product line even though her book said you only need 2 products. Just goes to show that there's really not a single solution for all curly hair.
@@karenn993 You said it just goes to show there's not any one solution for curly hair. I don't think it necessarily shows that maybe (although I suppose some people find the extra products more helpfful. But partly, diversification just leads to more $$$ so companies tend to bring out more stuff.
Yeah i think you have to find the right way for your own hair. Though you can go sulfate free, paraben and silicone, wax free. Im just testing and watch a lot of your videos. They are great. And i already feel better about myself. And i have crazy frizzy hair. And just waves and one or too curls here and there. But i have to embrace myself and just treat my hair good. I have also many strands but fine hair. I just hated my hair when i was younger. Because it was frizzy fluffy and sometimes wavy and a bit curly. I have litterally done it all to my hair to straighten it And silicone it to flatness. Now im going to embrace it.
I love watching your videos. You're so friendly and down to earth. I feel like I know you. There's just something comforting about watching you wash your hair and listening to your voiceover. It's like comfort food. 🙂
I guess Lorraine does not remember what she put in her book. In chapter 5 she says that wavies can use sulfate free shampoo (page 52). In the same chapter she mentions that you can use a diffuser or hooded dryer (page 57). I think there were 2 editions of the book, so the pages may be off from one edition to the other.
@@unseeliesidhegoddess I remember using cool setting diffusing after reading her book. I also looked for products from my local store. She had products for sale and in the book was a list of things to avoid if you couldn't buy her products. I think it was a couple of years after I had the book before I found info online and realized all the other kinds of info out there. For myself, I couldn't stick to her method for a few reasons. I hated having all that gel in my hair, as a wavy my hair was getting weighed down, and I loved having someone play with my hair a CGM no-no.
Wavy girl method! One TH-camr (CurlsByBritt or something like that?) said it really well: be skeptical when someone tells you you are doing something wrong and tries to sell you the solution.
Your videos and techniques and science has SAVED my hair! I've been bleaching and heat styling for 10+ years in addition to never conditioning, lots of brushing dry hair, etc. I HATED my hair and when I found your videos I decided to finally care for my hair and just like you said, I feel like I've unlocked the deepest self acceptance that I've ever known. Maybe you're not CGM but you are seriously doing the Lord's work helping women accept and love themselves!
I am moderation girl. Anything too restrictive or too regimented is not for me...and that goes for diet, exercise, hair health, etc. There are no hair police who are going to arrest us for breaking the ‘rules,’ so just continue doing what you are doing, which is teaching people how to have healthier heads of hair. Your content is always so informative and helpful. Even if a particular technique isn’t applicable to my hair type, I always come away learning something. So thank you! 😊💋
Bye. I wouldn't use anything from her line if she's going to be all upset and bothered that people do what works for them. She can keep her method. I do CGM, MY WAY- period😒
I can understand that the Curly Girl Method is a brand. And that like with other brands for example Nike and Apple and so on, they don't want people selling products under the name Nike or Apple because that could bring them in trouble and it could cut into their sales. But at the same time, she didn't start it as a brand for as far as I know. But just as a way to make hair care more inclusive. And her brand is called Curly World. Not Curly Girl Method. And now she is closing the door, making it less inclusive... Sigh...
I guess I'd just call it "Textured Hair Care" since that basically covers all the wavy, curly, coily hair bases. Honestly, with the term "Curly Girl Method" now being restricted to what Lorraine states it to be, it's kind of freeing in a way. Now I feel like I can branch out to other products outside of what's "Curly Girl Approved" without the guilt of not following the CGM rules. I always felt bad using products with silicones or using higher heat with my diffuser because it wasn't "CGM approved", even though I could use certain silicones without issues, and my hair looked better and dried faster with higher heat. Now, since all the products and methods I use are not at all in any way "CGM approved", I can use whatever I want without guilt 'cause it doesn't have the stigma of not being "CGM approved".
That’s what I felt. I was always feeling guilty when I brushed my hair. I was constantly checking labels and getting frustrated because there was so little I could use. Berating myself for not following it to a tee. It wasn’t fun, and making my hair healthier shouldn’t be something that keeps me upset. I finally let go of the strict CGM and I get recommendations for products to try from Courtney and other “modified curly girl” TH-camrs. I figure if it’s safe enough for them to use, it’s safe enough for me to try it. 😉
What "I" think is important to remember about strict CGM is that it isn't an all-inclusive method. It works for a specific hair, curl and scalp type. Generally hair that is more coarse, has a tighter curl pattern and a drier scalp. I doesn't work for me because it isn't meant for me and my medium fine, 2B-3B waves & curls, and my normal to oily scalp. It also doesn't really work for where I live and the climate/weather I deal with. Your method tries to be inclusive, and show wavies and curlies the path to healthier, happier curls, waves and scalps, and the need to find what works for THEM. You may have been inspired by CGM, but you haven't allowed yourself to be limited by it. I love your channel and all it stands for. Don't worry about those who don't.
My scalp will literally wage war against me if i don't wash it with sulfates, and silicones just help smooth and protect my curls. It's cool that some people don't need them, but i do, so Ill forever use them 🤷🏻
Same!! My scalp hates sulfate free with it's life!!! I used it for a year, just shampoo and conditioner, and the dandruff and itchiness I had was another level
I don't understand either how you get out all that gel that you're supposed to use with the curly girl method without a shampoo with sulfates, at least I need sulfates to wash out gel.
If you are using products with silicone then having SLS in your shampoo is needed. It makes sense that it works for you. That may change as you age and go grey as the hair is dryer.
😂 What's she gonna do if someone bleaches their hair, brushes it with a garden-rake, irons it on an ironing board on the highest setting, & calls that CGM? Hahaha, you've inspired me, @Mother Coconuts! 😂😂😂
First off before my rant (lol), I’m a positive person and I’m intuitive about things. I’m sorry but I have never felt compelled to follow Lorraine’s method, EVER. When I found out how hardcore she was years ago, and then that she had her own hair products (devacurl) she pushed on people, I simply ignored her “method”. Then came reading online about people’s scalp issues from following the cgm. So I read her book, then learned about the devacurl mess (that thankfully I never used), and now after hearing this and about her NEW products, wow, just no. Thank the Lord I never skip my daily washes, bought her products or care anything about her. I respect the good take aways from her method, but she’s just way uptight and her full method works for VERY few.
I agree with all of this. And let's not forget all of her racist micro-aggressions in her rants against all traditionally used African ingredients like shea butter. She literally went on a rant to say every heavy oil and butter that is usually used in African haircare is somehow ruining your hair (even though so far it's all of her own product lines ruining people's hair and scalp.)
I mean, I would just say you're doing "curly/wavy hair care" or something like that. She doesn't have a patent on the word curly so dropping the "girl" part might work, as well as making you more accessible to those who aren't female. I know I specifically enjoy your videos bc they aren't exactly cgm. You've made a daunting process less scary and made it easier to understand and start! So thank you!
I hate the if it’s itchy scratch it. When I start scratching at my scalp it’s still itchy and it ends up making my scalp bleed. I tried doing the full curly girl method but I don’t have curly hair, it’s wavy so the techniques and products I have learned from you help bring out the pattern of my hair to it’s best.
Yes it shows a real insensitivity the scratch it comment. Anyone who has ever had a fungal itchy scalp infection will know that when your scalp is clean with no infection, you don't need to itch it. Completely different experience. Hmm maybe her hair itches all the time and she doesn't realise that's not normal? And it itches because she never clarifies! :D
Well......by the time I realized I had wavy hair (all this time I thought I just had stringy, frizzy, damaged hair) I had come across a lot of “curly girls” attacking “wavy girls”. Telling wavies to stop trying to be curly girls. So......I knew from the get go, I’m a wavy so the curly girl method isn’t for me and I’ll stick to following what other wavies do. Which is what you’ve been doing. You’re doing what works for YOUR hair type and that in turn helps those of us barely starting this journey.
So... with that logic... you could technically call it the Swavy Curly Courtney method without it being stealing her process. 🤷♀️ Oh maybe Swavy Curly Science since you include a lot of that when you try different products?
Agreed, I like the sound of Swavy Science 🤓, it implies you should test different products and techniques to find what’s best for you on your journey 🙂
When Bianca talks about products she always say they are Bianca Renee approved and she is not cgm but she does tend to avoid sulfates, silcones, etc. So you could say the products you use are Swavy Curly Courtney approved.
I'm in a group for wavy hair and we call it WGM for the Wavy Girl Method. Which I prefer. It is basically a lot of what you teach. And embraces using products that WORK for our hair instead of being shamed for not avoiding specific products or specific ingredients. Also, I think a lot of textured hair care routines should be given acknowledgment to the black community over Lorraine 🤷♀️
I had heard, but haven’t researched at all, that she got a lot of that info from the black community and basically rebranded it. I’d be interested to know one way or the other. There is nothing we can come up with that someone else hasn’t thought of at some point, really....
Oh Courtney, when I took tips from you instead of the CGM (especially after having damage from devacurl), my hair looks better than it EVER has. I hope you coin a term because you are on to something. With your advice, I've been able to love the hair God gave me. I always knew there had to be more than a straightener and a curling iron. It made me appreciate how beautifully God creates us. Thank you so much for your help!
Courtney. I want you to know that I looked high and low for a method that would work before coming across your channel. Your technique... Whatever you name it... Is the only thing that has ever worked for me! All the things that you describe... Changing products, wet brushing after conditioner, plopping, high heat diffusing, product recommendations, layering styling product, etc... Have been the saving grace for my hair. It is healthier and growing longer and my curls are shiny and more defined than ever before. I appreciate all of your videos and your genuine kindness and sharing your knowledge with this channel. So... I'm with you! Guess I'm not following curly girl method either. I'm okay with that. Thank you for helping me love my hair again!
I have been watching you for about 2yrs now. I am more wavy than curly. I have noticed a huge improvement in my hair over time following your suggestions. You explain things so that I understand. I always know the products you talk about will be good for my hair.
I am proud to say I use the Swavy Curly Courtney method and it has greatly improved my self-confidence. Thank you for being real and for encouraging women to discover what works best for them, rather than shaming people for not using a method that does not work for everyone. Keep doing you and being a light.
I came here to say “Swavy Science”, as I believe some others have said. Your niche is all about experimentation and how a person can dial in their strategies to suit their needs. We are each our own hair scientists... no rules, just encouraging playful exploration. For all genders. Keep doing what you do. You’ve got a lot to offer and strong instincts. ❤️
I literally laughed out loud when I saw the prize of those products. That is just hilariously expensive. Having seen this video I decided to never ever again mention the name CGM when people ask me what I do with my hair. That is what Lorrain wanted right? Well I will gladly comply. I will send them to your channel, and hope it will help them as it has helped me. Thanks for your video's Courtney!
I feel like the term "Curly Girl Method" has evolved past Lorraine. For many, it's just "No sulfates, sillicones, or parabens." I can understand why she might have issue with the word "modified" but I also feel like her book is seen as dated now and that the fact that people still use the term is a win on its own for her.
I never read her book or anything but it’s because of you that I’ve kept trying different things and finding what works for my own hair and enjoying the hair God gave me. Thank you for keeping such a great attitude about it all and helping us find what might work for us! We love you!
Would love to see a video on silicones and how to identify gentler silicones in products. I live in a very humid environment and using some silicones in my stylers I think would help a lot with frizz, so I would to learn more how to incorporate some into my routine.
I respect you very much and I just want to say I like being in your club! Not all the same products you use work for me, but I still feel included in your videos because the information I’ve learned has helped me improve my hair and scalp health dramatically. You and others in the curly community not doing the cgm are seriously helping us all who don’t fall into those strict guidelines. I picked up the handbook a decade ago and have struggled my way trying to go shampoo free and brush free and all kinds of nonsense. I ended up much like you did- with an inflamed and angry scalp that smelled bad and hair that looked weighed down, greasy, and dirty. I have been feeling ashamed of my lack of follow through with the method until I found new curly girls like you who are promoting hair acceptance, not judgment. We ain’t going back! Let’s keep moving forward!
I just truly love your videos and how kind you are and wanted to say thank you! I love that you are so inclusive of everyone. It’s so easy to see your heart is so kind and I really feel like you would be so easy to talk to in person!
Thank you for mentioning the price element and for always including affordable things on your channel ❤ Just because I'm poor, doesn't mean I don't deserve to go on the journey to start loving my hair!
Don't apologize for anything Courtney! You are helping us all embrace who we are (wavy/curly girls with hair product addictions! ;)) and the hair we have. I think you should use whatever product and whatever technique works best for you. No need to label yourself as a following the curly girl method, you do you! Also, thank you for saying you don't think people should be excluded based on money. We don't all have hundreds of dollars to spend on products and I love and appreciate that you also test and show us drugstore affordable brands. Don't change, you are awesome!
The "curly girl method"followed strictly only works for a small number of people in my opinion. The term wouldn't even be relevant if you tubers didn't use it. The bottom line is that a lot of people now embrace their naturally beautiful hair because of people like Courtney. That's a great thing.
CGM shouldn’t be turned into some kind of sect. When I started educating myself about my hair I was really overwhelmed. I came across your videos and for the first time I didn’t feel overwhelmed because you simply explained what worked for you while stressing that it wouldn’t necessarily work for me. I still watched you because you gave me a perfect amount of information. I kept looking for simplicity and found curly susie. But I needed your videos for theory as much as I needed curly susie videos for practice. And sometimes it was visa versus! So you two will always be my go to and I am really grateful that I have started my hair care journey with your help. Thank you for this video, it prompted me to watch the LM’s live to decide for myself since I think every conscious adult should be making their own decisions not just blindly follow and then put the blame on somebody. Love from Ukraine 💙
I never went 100% curly girl method. I looked at what the “strict” rules were and immediately knew some wouldn’t work for my hair. It’s too fine, too subject to buildup, it needs to be clarified periodically. And some of the super strict rules don’t make sense to me (like why are silicones OH SO BAD but other emollients that are hard to remove are ok??). I’m not too worried about being a part of anyone’s exclusive club? I just do what works for me lol
There is no one size fits all for our hair, especially wavies and curlies! Do what’s best for you and your hair. I vote calling your methods and ideas the “Swavy Wavy Method”!!! ❤️
I don’t see why the way we look after our hair needs a name. I found CGM to be extremely restrictive so if LM wants the right to CGM let her have it. We all have a choice and we can do whatever we want, it’s our hair
I actually found CGM to be very restrictive too, so I'm actually glad we'll be parting from the "official" name. I've personally applied it always only partially, because my hair absolutely need a "proper" shampoo every 3-4 wash days to not look dirty and itchy, clarifying cgm products do absolutely nothing to me and actually irritate my scalp further. In the Italian community we started using the name "My Curly Method" (MCM) and embracing a more carefree approach~ (Also I've stopped being against sulfates and silicones in both haircare and skincare, especially after checking the general scientific/trichologists' consensus + talking with my own trichologist and my dermatologist... and also because going to university - psychology, but the scientific method still applies - allowed me to study and get hands-on with research methods and how to understand the quality and reliability of a research paper. I'm not the right person to explain the hows and whys, but I'd suggest to watch LabMuffin's and Sarah Ingle's videos, they kind of give a tl;dr on how to avoid pseudoscience-y haircare/skincare marketing claims.)
the CGM community is also so mean and rude. I joined a few groups on Facebook when I first started my journey and the way they were talking to folks who were new was just appalling. I was too afraid to ask them any questions.
Honestly, I feel like this is such a good thing for you! Its almost like God has turned over a new leaf for you as far as hair care and your hair channel goes. No more restrictions to a method that will no longer be mentioned. Just your happy smiley self spreading knowledge about healthy hair care. You are able to help women & men on a hair care journey no matter what the budget! I appreciate what you do so much keep it up!! ❤💕 SO excited for you in this new season of hair care!!😁
Thank you for sharing with us sweet girl. You are my absolute favorite person to watch regarding hair care. I’m so thankful that you do what you do because I have gained so much confidence. THANK YOU for talking about this. I vote to call it Swavy Curly Method!!!
Most of why I like your channel and your approach is that you're not so obsessive about things and you're open to trying different things. I also love that you're not trying to constantly exclude people or make them feel like they're doing it wrong. People have enough to worry about without having to obsess over whether they clean their hair perfectly every single time. Kudos to you for getting through your frustration and making this video. I like something like Swavy Curly. It's your take on caring for wavy curly hair and you've already got a pretty good following familiar with the name.
I thought I was doing a modified curly girl method. But I prefer “happy, healthy curl method”...because that’s what we’re all going for right? 💕 keep doing what makes your hair happy
I am with you. I will not get rid of my brush or my shampoo. I've really been appreciating BrittCurls lately and her approach. Whatever you call it, I appreciate YOU!!
You have been my go-to source for hair info for over a year now, and for my hair type, your methods and products work really well and the way you research and explain everything is perfect for me. I don’t really care if its true cgm or not, keep doing you ❤️❤️
please do a one brand washday of camille rose products? i have wavy/curly hair and i find that theyre good value because you only need to use the tiniest amount.
Well no matter what, I still look forward to watching any thing you do in future videos. You have certainly been my inspiration when I decided to go on my healthy hair journey. I do love my locks now I must say. There is something oddly therapeutic watching you wash and style your hair 😂 one brand wash days are my ultimate favorite!!
You have changed my hair and my relationship with it! Thank you. You are so well spoken and so amazing. You are able to explain all sides to both stories so eloquently. Xoxo 😘
Idea: "Healthy hair methods for wavy curlies," or move the words around to say "Wavy, Curly, healthy hair techniques" (change up on the word method.) Further, I totally agree with you and appreciate this video very much! God bless you sis 💕
I have found your videos and explanations so helpful! I feel if someone is going to be extremely possessive over something like that it just destroys the awesome community that has been built up around the original CGM. All credit to her BUT I am extremely grateful for accounts like yours the journey that make this more accessible to us. Call it the Curly Girl Guided Method 😉
I'm new to the curl girl method. I started in March.. I just bought the book a week ago and ironically after your posted this video I reached the chapter in Lorraine's book about homemade products and potions. She says the wash is a 3 step method but then encourages using other homemade products for more shine, added protein, frizz control, etc. So technically you are following the curly girl method you are just using already made products that are sold in stores instead of making your own with essential oils. Could be interesting to see you make and try those products in a video but since I have started going "all natural" with the "curly girl method" you have been a huge huge help. Thank you, Courtney! Keep up the great work. :)
I just got into embracing my natural hair (2b hair, with some 2a/2c strands--- used to brush out my hair and braid it while wet cause I didn't understand how to help the waves) and honestly some of the stuff is a major turn away for me. The CGM seems so strict and exclusive, and it really discourages me and I've only started trying products like 4 weeks ago. I really like how helpful your channel is :)
I read the book and have always understood what the "Curly Girl Method" entailed. I knew all the restrictions were not for me. Cowashing does not work for me. I need an actual shampoo. I like to layer my products and sometimes I only use a leave-in and cream. I like using different products. My curl pattern is such that I can brush out my hair on day two or so and it looks good enough to wear, kind of like I rolled it. I deep condition every week and I clarify at least once a month. I don't really give a dang what we call it. I do whatever I want to my hair.
I don’t follow you because you do the Curly Girl Method. I follow you for you. Because you energy is amazing, the way you explain and compare products is amazing and I have learnt so much from you. You are my go to and in my mind I do your method... the Swavy Curly Courtney technique
Because of you, I have learned how to properly care for my scalp and natural waves, which I have struggled with my whole life. I am also embracing my greying transition for the first time ever. At 48 I am now committed to no longer coloring my hair for the first time since the age of 20. After only 4 months my hair is healthier than its ever been in my life. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and for being a pioneer for self love and acceptance. Keep doing YOU girl. You rock and GOD BLESS! 🙌🙏💙
Kudos, Court! 💖 I'm a 3b & have hung back from commenting even though I've loved your channel for the longest! I was so over CGM a couple of years ago when it started to seem very cultish & exclusionary. I never used Deva but was appalled that not only has LM been silent about what ppl have gone through with Deva but seems to be doubling down on a 'method' which, by definition, can't always work for everybody. It has always concerned me that women especially are conditioned to think they need to adhere to all kinds of restrictions, diets, detoxes, trendy 'challenges,' endless product shopping as if there were anything wrong with their natural selves and as if they ought to blame themselves if they can't stick with all of that instead of just living their best life. Most of all, it's a distraction from all of the other wonderful, productive, talented gifts that women/ppl could otherwise devote their intelligence and resources to, esp. in these already challenged-enough times. This was a brave & thoughtful video. Btw, I've always wanted to tell you that your hair, even on your worst hair day, reminds me of a silver-screen goddess like Rita Hayworth or Veronica Lake, & your hair colour is stunning! Love you girl, keep doing you! Oh, & just saying 'hair care' speaks volumes more than CGM. xoxoxo 💖💖💖
Sulfates are cleansing agents. I find if I just use sulfate free shampoos and conditioners I get build up and my hair feels dirty. I need those sulfates to really cleanse. My curls look better when I use sulfate shampoo so that’s what I do.
Now I am totally confused. I see her (LM's) point that she came up with the original "Curly Girl Method" so maybe we should use a different term if we are not following it the way she describes it. But I REALLY have to agree with Courtney that the price of LM's products are prohibitive. With the amount of conditioner and gel that I go through on a weekly basis, I simply could not pay $34 (plus tax and shipping) for 12 oz of product. We live on one income and have 2 children to feed and clothe. So I greatly appreciate Courtney's analysis and advice on what MORE AFFORDABLE products might work for me!
Honestly, I wouldn't stress it that much. People in the curly community are gonna keep calling it the CGM method but as you said, it doesn't have to be the end all be all. In this case, I just take things with a grain of salt because at the end of the day, LM owns a brand and her goal is to sell products
Gee… I just love how Lorraine Massey is so caring and inclusive of people who don’t have her exact hair and scalp. 😏 I have scalp psoriasis and there no WAY I can go without some sort of suds in my shampoo. My scalp would literally revolt. She can kick rocks.
Same! Thank you! I have seborrheic dermatitis on my scalp and have to use a good quality shampoo and shampoo often. There is no way I can do conditioner only. It won't work for me. Also, I've had several bouts of folliculitis and it is so painful!
This is the way I look at it. You have shown us that one does not have to be so strict in their regime, products, etc... to see such beautiful results. Courtney, you just keep doing you. Keep making your very informative videos and do not let someone dictate what you should or should not be doing. No wonder I have been seeing more and more videos of women saying they no longer follow the CGM.
Omg, I have super wavy hair. The first time I heard of the CGM is from your channel and nowhere else. As I started using the products in accordance with your tips, I genuinely swear my hair has improved phenomenally over the last year. My previously frizzy, separated undefined strands are now so defined into semi-curly waves ngl. Tbh, that time when I was researching on the CGM, I had never heard of LM in the first place. This proves how irrelevant she became to her own method because of the strict "patenting" rules she was imposing on it. So, I'd say she can keep the name, but we'll keep the method, thanx!
I'm grateful for all your service to the curly community. New wavy here, spent months researching curly hair care; bought all new, cleaner, affordable curly products to use based on you tube reviews and suggestions. 1 mo. later cut damaged colored hair off and rocking very short gray hair; so freeing and easy (no brush/heat needed!) I may not grow out. Now my hair wants gritty product for edgier styling. Love all of you with gorgeous textured hair! Do what works for you!
I love your video. I tried the curly girl method back in 2012 and my scalp was itchy. I have normal skin and scalp and conditioner doesn’t clean your hair. I use sulfate free shampoo and very careful about what ingredients are in my hair products. Recently have gone back to Ouidad products (I used before trying Deva Curl in 2012). I clarify my hair often having thin fine curly hair and I’m okay with using polyquats. I call it my curly hair journey.
I watched your videos first. Then, I read through the book and went, "Meh." Then, I did what you recommended, and focused on the health of my hair. My hair has never been healthier thanks to your videos!
I’m so with you, Courtney! There needs to be a more science based method that includes all hair types that doesn’t only include Co-wash for one’s hair. I would totally have the bumps that you described if I used co-wash all the time. I have finally stopped having that issue since started using sulphate free, silicone free products ~ 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I agree! I have seborrheic dermatitis and have had several bouts of folliculitis - it's very painful and frustrating. There is no way I can ever do the curly girl method due to my scalp.
I like the idea of using the name of your TH-cam channel as the name of your method! I also saw someone suggest the “Swavy Curly Way” and I really liked that too! Regardless, using some variation of your TH-cam channel name is what I would highly recommend! Thank you for all that you do! Keep being you!
Even if you are not in the "cgm club", I still like you're videos!! You helped me a lot to get better hair care, so thank you for that 😊 and I will keep following you 😘
This is an excellent video. I feel like Lorraine is super exclusionary, and if that’s her jam, then fine. I have no desire to try products that made your scalp itch. I’ll keep with my Curlsmith and NYM. How about calling it curly girl tricks?
I so appreciate your thoughts on this subject. I am a "Curly Girl Method-er" and use this method still but like everything else in this world you have to find your balance and what works for you. On wash days my hair is great but by the second day it would turn frizzy, frizzy, frizzy. I tried CGM method of refreshing my hair, but it seems to get dirty faster and had to wash it again by the third day, which had me going thru lots of product $$$$. Today it seems to be worse because I stopped dying my hair and have gone naturally grey. I came across your You Tube channel and I have been following your REFRESH method and it has worked for me!!!! I love how soft and shiny my hair is now and so manageable days after "wash day". I have been able to stretch my washing days to twice a week. If I would have not searched and tried different other techniques, I would have never come across something that worked. Keep up the good work and research.
As a community on instagram and TH-cam, "curly girl method" was probably a nice catch-all for those posting about how do I take care of this curly/wavy hair I was born with? Like Silver Sisters or Grombre for those going all-natural gray. It also helped those of us searching for advice to find you! I think I typed in "wavy curly girl" or maybe "wavy hair" on TH-cam when I found your wonderful channel (my hair is barely wavy). Whatever you end up calling it, it's *your* online community. It started with TH-cam for me. I forget now which video led me to the Curly Girl Handbook, but I got it. I thought it was a good book and I found the stories inspiring. But it was only one of many influences.
So glad I found you. My hair became wavier & curlier with multiple surgeries & menopause. It’s coarse & thick, with an oily scalp, but I also have super sensitive skin & allergies. I like getting it clean, I like brushing it, I can’t use anything that causes build-up or weighs my hair down or has a strong smell. I won’t spend more than 15 minutes in a day on hair & makeup, because I’m a low maintenance sort of girl. I’ve been lost as how to care for it since it’s changed. Straightening has been my go-to for decades, but my hair is simply too unwieldy these days. We are so connected to our hair. Not from a vanity perspective, but emotionally & psychologically our hair is somehow connected to our inner selves. Thank you for your authenticity & practicality. It’s a welcome change in a world of slicked-up social media.
Great Video!!! Its been a heavy subject that's for sure!! I think you addressed everything so beautifully!! I recently changed my bio to say #mycurlymethod and wrote a post all about what I did and what I continue to do for the health of my curls. Thank you for all the work that you put in on your IG page and TH-cam channel!! Embracing my curls was the hardest thing I've done and it's been 100% worth the journey!!
Great video. You were very respectful to Lorraine and her wishes for her brand. I will no longer be saying I do the Curly Girl Method and using that phrase since that is her wish. I find it very sad though and from a business perspective, probably not a great move on her part to distance so many people from herself. When we hold on to something so tightly, it can stifle growth and opportunity, and strangle the life out of it. Just my two cents.
It’s like reading a book or the news; It’s someone else’s viewpoints but you learn something from it to form your own views. You’ve done a marvelous job in creating what works for you, Courtney, and have helped others to find what works for them.
I feel like LM just pulled a giant “you can’t sit with us.” Hair care does not need to be exclusionary. Call your hair care whatever you want. Do whatever works for you and don’t let anyone bully you into feeling bad about taking care of yourself properly instead of following their dogma.
$$$$$$$$$$!!!!
Exclusion.... that’s what it is. You said it! 🙄
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I just went and looked up that post on her Instagram. I can’t respect her for that and it is very petty. She could easily have her method and say she gets why it doesn’t work for everyone and work need to modify it. She could have had grave and said she was happy to give a starting off point for those of us who have struggled with our hair.
Exactly what I was thinking
I feel like Lorraine Massey’s curly girl method was developed for her hair. It’s really only good for people who have hair and scalp like hers. It was developed at a time when hair care was awful. Everything was INTENSE shampoo and weak conditioners or a lot of silicone. So her no poo idea was revolutionary at the time. Not washing your hair everyday was revolutionary. Products are so much better and diverse today.
Yes! That part!
Right? In the last couple months I've also started hearing more about the "tightly curly method". So she even seems to have lost people on the other end of the spectrum with hair curlier than LM along with those less curly or with different scalp types or porosities.
Idk, my dad was telling me I didn't need to wash my hair every day back in the 90s because he grew up with women who were raised during the Depression, who only bathed once a month and got thier hair "set". 🤷♀️
Really, the idea that you had to bathe every day was promoted by the soap industry, back in the late 70’s and early 80’s. My family didn’t fall for it- my sister was regularly seeing a dermatologist as an INFANT, and he was horrified by the idea. He FORBID my mother to bathe my sister daily, because it is so bad for the skin. This was before ‘microbiome’ was even a word. So, by the time the 90’s rolled around, and the ‘wash your hair every day’ campaign started (yup, by the shampoo industry), I already knew better. Many of my peers (I was born in 1970) thought I was gross for only showering 3 times a week, and washing my hair 1-2 times a week. And yet, they couldn’t figure out why I had healthier hair, and far better skin than them! Advertising can be a really toxic influence on people.
I’ve always been so suspicious of someone who says: all you have been trying is wrong. Only my way is the right way. And only these products, that I happen to sell, are the right things to use. My grandfather would have called that a snake oil salesman
Knowing that Lorraine Massey doesn’t want anyone calling themselves modified CGM, now I won’t mention it all when people ask me how I got my hair to look the way it does.
Same Ill mention the Courtney method now
"Well, I found some amazing TH-camrs that taught me some great information about curl friendly products and techniques. You could check out one of my favorites. Her name is Courtney."
@@jennifermunoz7375 YES!! The Courtney method!
Anyone telling you that you MUST do something or other and then is also selling you things is ALWAYS suspect IMO
Yes!
Hit the nail on the head there.
Selling you things that make your hair fall out lol
"The Swavy Curly Way " then write a book with all your scientificy information supporting it like you do in your videos! ❤️❤️
Yeeeaaaaassss
Yessss this. You are my go to
Yes, and when people ask what her method entails, she can say it's similar to the curly girl method.
Love that title💕
Awesome idea!!!!
I honestly got emotional watching this, particularly while you were talking about how important it is for you to share high quality products in every price point. You are wonderful, and you’re helping so many people. Thank you for this video!
How about just saying "Curls my way!". You do you, and keep sharing.
I love this!
Curls my way :)
Yes!
This! ❤️
Social media has made the CGM what it is today. Massey started it but when social media really got going, people started sharing their ideas and it morphed into a large online classroom. People helping one another with their curls when curls were not the *in* thing. Forget the name, just go on helping other wavy,curlies. I am 53 & have learned so much in the past 5 months of finding your channel!Your an awesome teacher! Blessings!😄
I’m embracing my hair that God gave me and using the products that I can afford. Thank you for all you do.
I've always found it interesting that Lorraine Massey went on to create a very broad product line even though her book said you only need 2 products. Just goes to show that there's really not a single solution for all curly hair.
@@kathleen_ryan She has since then created another line of products. 😀
Or- more products= more money.
@@ConstantiaVerted That was precisely my point!
@@karenn993 You said it just goes to show there's not any one solution for curly hair. I don't think it necessarily shows that maybe (although I suppose some people find the extra products more helpfful. But partly, diversification just leads to more $$$ so companies tend to bring out more stuff.
Yeah i think you have to find the right way for your own hair. Though you can go sulfate free, paraben and silicone, wax free.
Im just testing and watch a lot of your videos. They are great. And i already feel better about myself. And i have crazy frizzy hair. And just
waves and one or too curls here and there. But i have to embrace myself and just treat my hair good. I have also many strands but fine hair. I just
hated my hair when i was younger. Because it was frizzy fluffy and sometimes wavy and a bit curly. I have litterally done it all to my hair to straighten it
And silicone it to flatness. Now im going to embrace it.
You said "Curly Friendly" products in the video. I really like that. You promote healthy Curly Friendly hair care. We're your Swavy Curly Friends. 💖🙂
I love watching your videos. You're so friendly and down to earth. I feel like I know you. There's just something comforting about watching you wash your hair and listening to your voiceover. It's like comfort food. 🙂
I guess Lorraine does not remember what she put in her book. In chapter 5 she says that wavies can use sulfate free shampoo (page 52). In the same chapter she mentions that you can use a diffuser or hooded dryer (page 57). I think there were 2 editions of the book, so the pages may be off from one edition to the other.
Exactly this is what I remember.
Yep I remember that too! She says never use high heat but she does mention diffusing on low.
@@unseeliesidhegoddess I remember using cool setting diffusing after reading her book. I also looked for products from my local store. She had products for sale and in the book was a list of things to avoid if you couldn't buy her products. I think it was a couple of years after I had the book before I found info online and realized all the other kinds of info out there.
For myself, I couldn't stick to her method for a few reasons. I hated having all that gel in my hair, as a wavy my hair was getting weighed down, and I loved having someone play with my hair a CGM no-no.
Wavy girl method!
One TH-camr (CurlsByBritt or something like that?) said it really well: be skeptical when someone tells you you are doing something wrong and tries to sell you the solution.
Your videos and techniques and science has SAVED my hair! I've been bleaching and heat styling for 10+ years in addition to never conditioning, lots of brushing dry hair, etc. I HATED my hair and when I found your videos I decided to finally care for my hair and just like you said, I feel like I've unlocked the deepest self acceptance that I've ever known. Maybe you're not CGM but you are seriously doing the Lord's work helping women accept and love themselves!
I am moderation girl. Anything too restrictive or too regimented is not for me...and that goes for diet, exercise, hair health, etc. There are no hair police who are going to arrest us for breaking the ‘rules,’ so just continue doing what you are doing, which is teaching people how to have healthier heads of hair. Your content is always so informative and helpful. Even if a particular technique isn’t applicable to my hair type, I always come away learning something. So thank you! 😊💋
Me too
Bye. I wouldn't use anything from her line if she's going to be all upset and bothered that people do what works for them. She can keep her method. I do CGM, MY WAY- period😒
Sounds culty.
I won't be buying anything from her line either.
I'm specially bothered if you can only use her products. It's so clear that not all methods and products workfor everyone and specially curly girls.
I can understand that the Curly Girl Method is a brand. And that like with other brands for example Nike and Apple and so on, they don't want people selling products under the name Nike or Apple because that could bring them in trouble and it could cut into their sales.
But at the same time, she didn't start it as a brand for as far as I know. But just as a way to make hair care more inclusive. And her brand is called Curly World. Not Curly Girl Method. And now she is closing the door, making it less inclusive... Sigh...
I guess I'd just call it "Textured Hair Care" since that basically covers all the wavy, curly, coily hair bases. Honestly, with the term "Curly Girl Method" now being restricted to what Lorraine states it to be, it's kind of freeing in a way. Now I feel like I can branch out to other products outside of what's "Curly Girl Approved" without the guilt of not following the CGM rules. I always felt bad using products with silicones or using higher heat with my diffuser because it wasn't "CGM approved", even though I could use certain silicones without issues, and my hair looked better and dried faster with higher heat. Now, since all the products and methods I use are not at all in any way "CGM approved", I can use whatever I want without guilt 'cause it doesn't have the stigma of not being "CGM approved".
Yes!!
That’s what I felt. I was always feeling guilty when I brushed my hair. I was constantly checking labels and getting frustrated because there was so little I could use. Berating myself for not following it to a tee. It wasn’t fun, and making my hair healthier shouldn’t be something that keeps me upset. I finally let go of the strict CGM and I get recommendations for products to try from Courtney and other “modified curly girl” TH-camrs. I figure if it’s safe enough for them to use, it’s safe enough for me to try it. 😉
I explain what I do as “curly girl inspired” I never did CGM directly but take some concepts...
What "I" think is important to remember about strict CGM is that it isn't an all-inclusive method. It works for a specific hair, curl and scalp type. Generally hair that is more coarse, has a tighter curl pattern and a drier scalp. I doesn't work for me because it isn't meant for me and my medium fine, 2B-3B waves & curls, and my normal to oily scalp. It also doesn't really work for where I live and the climate/weather I deal with. Your method tries to be inclusive, and show wavies and curlies the path to healthier, happier curls, waves and scalps, and the need to find what works for THEM. You may have been inspired by CGM, but you haven't allowed yourself to be limited by it. I love your channel and all it stands for. Don't worry about those who don't.
My scalp will literally wage war against me if i don't wash it with sulfates, and silicones just help smooth and protect my curls. It's cool that some people don't need them, but i do, so Ill forever use them 🤷🏻
Same...
Same!! My scalp hates sulfate free with it's life!!! I used it for a year, just shampoo and conditioner, and the dandruff and itchiness I had was another level
Preach!!
I don't understand either how you get out all that gel that you're supposed to use with the curly girl method without a shampoo with sulfates, at least I need sulfates to wash out gel.
If you are using products with silicone then having SLS in your shampoo is needed. It makes sense that it works for you. That may change as you age and go grey as the hair is dryer.
So we going to forgot that Lorraine Massey used to own DevaCurl? That has many products that caused many scalp issues just like the other new ones????
AFAIK it was fine until she sold it?
Really? Huh didnt know that.
At 117k subscribers, you have created your own “brand”/method. Swavy Curly Method is yours to claim, in my opinion.
What's Lorraine gonna do, show up and arrest me if I brush my hair and still say I'm following CGM? 😂
😂 What's she gonna do if someone bleaches their hair, brushes it with a garden-rake, irons it on an ironing board on the highest setting, & calls that CGM? Hahaha, you've inspired me, @Mother Coconuts! 😂😂😂
@@pondeck 🤣🤣
I think the cg swat team shows up. Lol
@@RheaEndora 😂 Then ima squirt that cg swat team with shaaampooooo!!!! 💦
Hahaha get em all lathered up and foamy lol
First off before my rant (lol), I’m a positive person and I’m intuitive about things. I’m sorry but I have never felt compelled to follow Lorraine’s method, EVER. When I found out how hardcore she was years ago, and then that she had her own hair products (devacurl) she pushed on people, I simply ignored her “method”. Then came reading online about people’s scalp issues from following the cgm. So I read her book, then learned about the devacurl mess (that thankfully I never used), and now after hearing this and about her NEW products, wow, just no. Thank the Lord I never skip my daily washes, bought her products or care anything about her. I respect the good take aways from her method, but she’s just way uptight and her full method works for VERY few.
Deva Curl was Lorraine Masseys line?! I didn’t know that! Wow, that’s crazy.
@@disneyknitter9189 ikr?
Yep!
I agree with all of this. And let's not forget all of her racist micro-aggressions in her rants against all traditionally used African ingredients like shea butter. She literally went on a rant to say every heavy oil and butter that is usually used in African haircare is somehow ruining your hair (even though so far it's all of her own product lines ruining people's hair and scalp.)
@@IsaBelle1 great point! I had forgotten about that. She’s ridiculous.
I mean, I would just say you're doing "curly/wavy hair care" or something like that. She doesn't have a patent on the word curly so dropping the "girl" part might work, as well as making you more accessible to those who aren't female. I know I specifically enjoy your videos bc they aren't exactly cgm. You've made a daunting process less scary and made it easier to understand and start! So thank you!
Good point that she doesn't have a patent on the word.
Yea, and also loosing the "girl" will make it more inclusive, such a good point here.
omg i always hated the “girl” part bc im not one :/
@@mr.fahrenheit347 Yea, like only "girls" are allowed to take care of their curly hair... *grins sarcastically*
Anna Babkina exactly i want my curly locks to look luscious
I've been watching a hairstylist (Manes by Mell) and it's actually best to do what you were already doing, mixing up products, according to her.
I hate the if it’s itchy scratch it. When I start scratching at my scalp it’s still itchy and it ends up making my scalp bleed. I tried doing the full curly girl method but I don’t have curly hair, it’s wavy so the techniques and products I have learned from you help bring out the pattern of my hair to it’s best.
Yes it shows a real insensitivity the scratch it comment. Anyone who has ever had a fungal itchy scalp infection will know that when your scalp is clean with no infection, you don't need to itch it. Completely different experience. Hmm maybe her hair itches all the time and she doesn't realise that's not normal? And it itches because she never clarifies! :D
The Swavy Method!
Yes
Yes!!!
SGM
“Curly girl regimen” thank you for being you Courtney!
Well......by the time I realized I had wavy hair (all this time I thought I just had stringy, frizzy, damaged hair) I had come across a lot of “curly girls” attacking “wavy girls”. Telling wavies to stop trying to be curly girls. So......I knew from the get go, I’m a wavy so the curly girl method isn’t for me and I’ll stick to following what other wavies do. Which is what you’ve been doing. You’re doing what works for YOUR hair type and that in turn helps those of us barely starting this journey.
So... with that logic... you could technically call it the Swavy Curly Courtney method without it being stealing her process. 🤷♀️ Oh maybe Swavy Curly Science since you include a lot of that when you try different products?
Love that! It's perfect for her science background and her approach.
Agreed, I like the sound of Swavy Science 🤓, it implies you should test different products and techniques to find what’s best for you on your journey 🙂
Swavy Curly Science!!! This is great.
Yes, yes do this!
@@OneGulshan Yes! I love this too.
When Bianca talks about products she always say they are Bianca Renee approved and she is not cgm but she does tend to avoid sulfates, silcones, etc.
So you could say the products you use are Swavy Curly Courtney approved.
I'm in a group for wavy hair and we call it WGM for the Wavy Girl Method. Which I prefer. It is basically a lot of what you teach. And embraces using products that WORK for our hair instead of being shamed for not avoiding specific products or specific ingredients.
Also, I think a lot of textured hair care routines should be given acknowledgment to the black community over Lorraine 🤷♀️
I had heard, but haven’t researched at all, that she got a lot of that info from the black community and basically rebranded it. I’d be interested to know one way or the other. There is nothing we can come up with that someone else hasn’t thought of at some point, really....
I'm in a FB group called "wavy hair just don't care". Not strict or judgmental...very supportive! No hair nazis allowed....
@@KattMurr that's the group I'm in!
Oh Courtney, when I took tips from you instead of the CGM (especially after having damage from devacurl), my hair looks better than it EVER has. I hope you coin a term because you are on to something. With your advice, I've been able to love the hair God gave me. I always knew there had to be more than a straightener and a curling iron. It made me appreciate how beautifully God creates us. Thank you so much for your help!
Courtney. I want you to know that I looked high and low for a method that would work before coming across your channel. Your technique... Whatever you name it... Is the only thing that has ever worked for me! All the things that you describe... Changing products, wet brushing after conditioner, plopping, high heat diffusing, product recommendations, layering styling product, etc... Have been the saving grace for my hair. It is healthier and growing longer and my curls are shiny and more defined than ever before. I appreciate all of your videos and your genuine kindness and sharing your knowledge with this channel. So... I'm with you! Guess I'm not following curly girl method either. I'm okay with that. Thank you for helping me love my hair again!
You're fine! My hair has benefitted so much from your channel. I like "Embracing Our Waves and Curls."
I have been watching you for about 2yrs now. I am more wavy than curly. I have noticed a huge improvement in my hair over time following your suggestions. You explain things so that I understand. I always know the products you talk about will be good for my hair.
I am proud to say I use the Swavy Curly Courtney method and it has greatly improved my self-confidence. Thank you for being real and for encouraging women to discover what works best for them, rather than shaming people for not using a method that does not work for everyone. Keep doing you and being a light.
I came here to say “Swavy Science”, as I believe some others have said.
Your niche is all about experimentation and how a person can dial in their strategies to suit their needs. We are each our own hair scientists... no rules, just encouraging playful exploration. For all genders.
Keep doing what you do. You’ve got a lot to offer and strong instincts. ❤️
I literally laughed out loud when I saw the prize of those products. That is just hilariously expensive. Having seen this video I decided to never ever again mention the name CGM when people ask me what I do with my hair. That is what Lorrain wanted right? Well I will gladly comply. I will send them to your channel, and hope it will help them as it has helped me.
Thanks for your video's Courtney!
Love your transparency! I don't care what you call it but... it really helped me! ❤
I feel like the term "Curly Girl Method" has evolved past Lorraine. For many, it's just "No sulfates, sillicones, or parabens." I can understand why she might have issue with the word "modified" but I also feel like her book is seen as dated now and that the fact that people still use the term is a win on its own for her.
I never read her book or anything but it’s because of you that I’ve kept trying different things and finding what works for my own hair and enjoying the hair God gave me. Thank you for keeping such a great attitude about it all and helping us find what might work for us! We love you!
Would love to see a video on silicones and how to identify gentler silicones in products. I live in a very humid environment and using some silicones in my stylers I think would help a lot with frizz, so I would to learn more how to incorporate some into my routine.
I plopped my hair yesterday!! It was incredible!! Received lots of compliments.
That is amazing Amy!! It's crazy what a good plop will do to your hair!
I respect you very much and I just want to say I like being in your club! Not all the same products you use work for me, but I still feel included in your videos because the information I’ve learned has helped me improve my hair and scalp health dramatically. You and others in the curly community not doing the cgm are seriously helping us all who don’t fall into those strict guidelines. I picked up the handbook a decade ago and have struggled my way trying to go shampoo free and brush free and all kinds of nonsense. I ended up much like you did- with an inflamed and angry scalp that smelled bad and hair that looked weighed down, greasy, and dirty. I have been feeling ashamed of my lack of follow through with the method until I found new curly girls like you who are promoting hair acceptance, not judgment. We ain’t going back! Let’s keep moving forward!
I just truly love your videos and how kind you are and wanted to say thank you! I love that you are so inclusive of everyone. It’s so easy to see your heart is so kind and I really feel like you would be so easy to talk to in person!
You should write a book one day! Your a legend even if your not “Curly Girl Method”! Keep doing what works for you because it helps us too❤️
Thank you for mentioning the price element and for always including affordable things on your channel ❤ Just because I'm poor, doesn't mean I don't deserve to go on the journey to start loving my hair!
Don't apologize for anything Courtney! You are helping us all embrace who we are (wavy/curly girls with hair product addictions! ;)) and the hair we have. I think you should use whatever product and whatever technique works best for you. No need to label yourself as a following the curly girl method, you do you! Also, thank you for saying you don't think people should be excluded based on money. We don't all have hundreds of dollars to spend on products and I love and appreciate that you also test and show us drugstore affordable brands. Don't change, you are awesome!
The "curly girl method"followed strictly only works for a small number of people in my opinion. The term wouldn't even be relevant if you tubers didn't use it. The bottom line is that a lot of people now embrace their naturally beautiful hair because of people like Courtney. That's a great thing.
Amen!
CGM shouldn’t be turned into some kind of sect. When I started educating myself about my hair I was really overwhelmed. I came across your videos and for the first time I didn’t feel overwhelmed because you simply explained what worked for you while stressing that it wouldn’t necessarily work for me. I still watched you because you gave me a perfect amount of information. I kept looking for simplicity and found curly susie. But I needed your videos for theory as much as I needed curly susie videos for practice. And sometimes it was visa versus! So you two will always be my go to and I am really grateful that I have started my hair care journey with your help. Thank you for this video, it prompted me to watch the LM’s live to decide for myself since I think every conscious adult should be making their own decisions not just blindly follow and then put the blame on somebody. Love from Ukraine 💙
Curly hair method! And it includes us curly guys!!!
Yes! The "girl" part always seemed to not be very inclusive to those who don't identify with being a "girl."
That's why I love the curly crew group on fb. They've been really helpful and seem inclusive.
Yes! I love that its more inclusive too. I'm also really starting to hate the word "girl" in marketing.
@@katiewest10 Yup. Adult women calling themselves "girls" is just creepy to me.
Agree with every single comment on this little thread
I never went 100% curly girl method. I looked at what the “strict” rules were and immediately knew some wouldn’t work for my hair. It’s too fine, too subject to buildup, it needs to be clarified periodically. And some of the super strict rules don’t make sense to me (like why are silicones OH SO BAD but other emollients that are hard to remove are ok??). I’m not too worried about being a part of anyone’s exclusive club? I just do what works for me lol
There is no one size fits all for our hair, especially wavies and curlies! Do what’s best for you and your hair. I vote calling your methods and ideas the “Swavy Wavy Method”!!! ❤️
She can have it all to herself because many of us realized a long time ago it is flawed and not worth losing hair over.
I don’t see why the way we look after our hair needs a name. I found CGM to be extremely restrictive so if LM wants the right to CGM let her have it. We all have a choice and we can do whatever we want, it’s our hair
Unless she patented the name, folks can say they follow a modified CGM method. Perhaps she just wanted to create controversy to sell her products.
@@GinaMarieCheeseman I’d wager it’s to sell products. You hit that one on the head.
I actually found CGM to be very restrictive too, so I'm actually glad we'll be parting from the "official" name. I've personally applied it always only partially, because my hair absolutely need a "proper" shampoo every 3-4 wash days to not look dirty and itchy, clarifying cgm products do absolutely nothing to me and actually irritate my scalp further.
In the Italian community we started using the name "My Curly Method" (MCM) and embracing a more carefree approach~
(Also I've stopped being against sulfates and silicones in both haircare and skincare, especially after checking the general scientific/trichologists' consensus + talking with my own trichologist and my dermatologist... and also because going to university - psychology, but the scientific method still applies - allowed me to study and get hands-on with research methods and how to understand the quality and reliability of a research paper. I'm not the right person to explain the hows and whys, but I'd suggest to watch LabMuffin's and Sarah Ingle's videos, they kind of give a tl;dr on how to avoid pseudoscience-y haircare/skincare marketing claims.)
the CGM community is also so mean and rude. I joined a few groups on Facebook when I first started my journey and the way they were talking to folks who were new was just appalling. I was too afraid to ask them any questions.
@@kllurfrnds it’s a cult lmao. they’re obsessed with water soluble but can’t even describe what that’s supposed to mean
I love your new intro!!
Honestly, I feel like this is such a good thing for you! Its almost like God has turned over a new leaf for you as far as hair care and your hair channel goes. No more restrictions to a method that will no longer be mentioned. Just your happy smiley self spreading knowledge about healthy hair care. You are able to help women & men on a hair care journey no matter what the budget! I appreciate what you do so much keep it up!! ❤💕 SO excited for you in this new season of hair care!!😁
Thank you for sharing with us sweet girl. You are my absolute favorite person to watch regarding hair care. I’m so thankful that you do what you do because I have gained so much confidence. THANK YOU for talking about this.
I vote to call it Swavy Curly Method!!!
Most of why I like your channel and your approach is that you're not so obsessive about things and you're open to trying different things. I also love that you're not trying to constantly exclude people or make them feel like they're doing it wrong. People have enough to worry about without having to obsess over whether they clean their hair perfectly every single time.
Kudos to you for getting through your frustration and making this video.
I like something like Swavy Curly. It's your take on caring for wavy curly hair and you've already got a pretty good following familiar with the name.
I thought I was doing a modified curly girl method. But I prefer “happy, healthy curl method”...because that’s what we’re all going for right? 💕 keep doing what makes your hair happy
I am with you. I will not get rid of my brush or my shampoo. I've really been appreciating BrittCurls lately and her approach. Whatever you call it, I appreciate YOU!!
You have been my go-to source for hair info for over a year now, and for my hair type, your methods and products work really well and the way you research and explain everything is perfect for me. I don’t really care if its true cgm or not, keep doing you ❤️❤️
I love the new intro! Fun, silly and the background music is nice
please do a one brand washday of camille rose products? i have wavy/curly hair and i find that theyre good value because you only need to use the tiniest amount.
Well no matter what, I still look forward to watching any thing you do in future videos. You have certainly been my inspiration when I decided to go on my healthy hair journey. I do love my locks now I must say.
There is something oddly therapeutic watching you wash and style your hair 😂 one brand wash days are my ultimate favorite!!
You have changed my hair and my relationship with it! Thank you. You are so well spoken and so amazing. You are able to explain all sides to both stories so eloquently. Xoxo 😘
Idea: "Healthy hair methods for wavy curlies," or move the words around to say "Wavy, Curly, healthy hair techniques" (change up on the word method.) Further, I totally agree with you and appreciate this video very much! God bless you sis 💕
I have found your videos and explanations so helpful! I feel if someone is going to be extremely possessive over something like that it just destroys the awesome community that has been built up around the original CGM. All credit to her BUT I am extremely grateful for accounts like yours the journey that make this more accessible to us. Call it the Curly Girl Guided Method 😉
I'm new to the curl girl method. I started in March.. I just bought the book a week ago and ironically after your posted this video I reached the chapter in Lorraine's book about homemade products and potions. She says the wash is a 3 step method but then encourages using other homemade products for more shine, added protein, frizz control, etc. So technically you are following the curly girl method you are just using already made products that are sold in stores instead of making your own with essential oils. Could be interesting to see you make and try those products in a video but since I have started going "all natural" with the "curly girl method" you have been a huge huge help. Thank you, Courtney! Keep up the great work. :)
I just got into embracing my natural hair (2b hair, with some 2a/2c strands--- used to brush out my hair and braid it while wet cause I didn't understand how to help the waves) and honestly some of the stuff is a major turn away for me. The CGM seems so strict and exclusive, and it really discourages me and I've only started trying products like 4 weeks ago. I really like how helpful your channel is :)
I read the book and have always understood what the "Curly Girl Method" entailed. I knew all the restrictions were not for me. Cowashing does not work for me. I need an actual shampoo. I like to layer my products and sometimes I only use a leave-in and cream. I like using different products. My curl pattern is such that I can brush out my hair on day two or so and it looks good enough to wear, kind of like I rolled it. I deep condition every week and I clarify at least once a month. I don't really give a dang what we call it. I do whatever I want to my hair.
I don’t follow you because you do the Curly Girl Method. I follow you for you. Because you energy is amazing, the way you explain and compare products is amazing and I have learnt so much from you. You are my go to and in my mind I do your method... the Swavy Curly Courtney technique
Because of you, I have learned how to properly care for my scalp and natural waves, which I have struggled with my whole life. I am also embracing my greying transition for the first time ever. At 48 I am now committed to no longer coloring my hair for the first time since the age of 20. After only 4 months my hair is healthier than its ever been in my life. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and for being a pioneer for self love and acceptance. Keep doing YOU girl. You rock and GOD BLESS! 🙌🙏💙
Kudos, Court! 💖 I'm a 3b & have hung back from commenting even though I've loved your channel for the longest! I was so over CGM a couple of years ago when it started to seem very cultish & exclusionary. I never used Deva but was appalled that not only has LM been silent about what ppl have gone through with Deva but seems to be doubling down on a 'method' which, by definition, can't always work for everybody. It has always concerned me that women especially are conditioned to think they need to adhere to all kinds of restrictions, diets, detoxes, trendy 'challenges,' endless product shopping as if there were anything wrong with their natural selves and as if they ought to blame themselves if they can't stick with all of that instead of just living their best life. Most of all, it's a distraction from all of the other wonderful, productive, talented gifts that women/ppl could otherwise devote their intelligence and resources to, esp. in these already challenged-enough times. This was a brave & thoughtful video. Btw, I've always wanted to tell you that your hair, even on your worst hair day, reminds me of a silver-screen goddess like Rita Hayworth or Veronica Lake, & your hair colour is stunning! Love you girl, keep doing you! Oh, & just saying 'hair care' speaks volumes more than CGM. xoxoxo 💖💖💖
Sulfates are cleansing agents. I find if I just use sulfate free shampoos and conditioners I get build up and my hair feels dirty. I need those sulfates to really cleanse. My curls look better when I use sulfate shampoo so that’s what I do.
Now I am totally confused. I see her (LM's) point that she came up with the original "Curly Girl Method" so maybe we should use a different term if we are not following it the way she describes it. But I REALLY have to agree with Courtney that the price of LM's products are prohibitive. With the amount of conditioner and gel that I go through on a weekly basis, I simply could not pay $34 (plus tax and shipping) for 12 oz of product. We live on one income and have 2 children to feed and clothe. So I greatly appreciate Courtney's analysis and advice on what MORE AFFORDABLE products might work for me!
Honestly, I wouldn't stress it that much. People in the curly community are gonna keep calling it the CGM method but as you said, it doesn't have to be the end all be all. In this case, I just take things with a grain of salt because at the end of the day, LM owns a brand and her goal is to sell products
What you do is simply “curly hair care” ☺️
Gee… I just love how Lorraine Massey is so caring and inclusive of people who don’t have her exact hair and scalp. 😏 I have scalp psoriasis and there no WAY I can go without some sort of suds in my shampoo. My scalp would literally revolt. She can kick rocks.
Same! Thank you! I have seborrheic dermatitis on my scalp and have to use a good quality shampoo and shampoo often. There is no way I can do conditioner only. It won't work for me. Also, I've had several bouts of folliculitis and it is so painful!
I'm voting for The Swavy Way Method is yesterdays term. This is the way ;)
This is the way I look at it. You have shown us that one does not have to be so strict in their regime, products, etc... to see such beautiful results. Courtney, you just keep doing you. Keep making your very informative videos and do not let someone dictate what you should or should not be doing. No wonder I have been seeing more and more videos of women saying they no longer follow the CGM.
I love your love for us and your honest transparency. Just do your thing Girl!!
Omg, I have super wavy hair. The first time I heard of the CGM is from your channel and nowhere else. As I started using the products in accordance with your tips, I genuinely swear my hair has improved phenomenally over the last year. My previously frizzy, separated undefined strands are now so defined into semi-curly waves ngl.
Tbh, that time when I was researching on the CGM, I had never heard of LM in the first place. This proves how irrelevant she became to her own method because of the strict "patenting" rules she was imposing on it.
So, I'd say she can keep the name, but we'll keep the method, thanx!
I'm grateful for all your service to the curly community. New wavy here, spent months researching curly hair care; bought all new, cleaner, affordable curly products to use based on you tube reviews and suggestions. 1 mo. later cut damaged colored hair off and rocking very short gray hair; so freeing and easy (no brush/heat needed!) I may not grow out. Now my hair wants gritty product for edgier styling. Love all of you with gorgeous textured hair! Do what works for you!
I followed curly girl method for a while. My hair wasn’t happy. I found you and a few other youtubers and now I love my hair again!
I love your video. I tried the curly girl method back in 2012 and my scalp was itchy. I have normal skin and scalp and conditioner doesn’t clean your hair. I use sulfate free shampoo and very careful about what ingredients are in my hair products. Recently have gone back to Ouidad products (I used before trying Deva Curl in 2012). I clarify my hair often having thin fine curly hair and I’m okay with using polyquats. I call it my curly hair journey.
I watched your videos first. Then, I read through the book and went, "Meh." Then, I did what you recommended, and focused on the health of my hair. My hair has never been healthier thanks to your videos!
I’m so with you, Courtney! There needs to be a more science based method that includes all hair types that doesn’t only include Co-wash for one’s hair. I would totally have the bumps that you described if I used co-wash all the time. I have finally stopped having that issue since started using sulphate free, silicone free products ~ 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I agree! I have seborrheic dermatitis and have had several bouts of folliculitis - it's very painful and frustrating. There is no way I can ever do the curly girl method due to my scalp.
I like the idea of using the name of your TH-cam channel as the name of your method! I also saw someone suggest the “Swavy Curly Way” and I really liked that too! Regardless, using some variation of your TH-cam channel name is what I would highly recommend! Thank you for all that you do! Keep being you!
Even if you are not in the "cgm club", I still like you're videos!! You helped me a lot to get better hair care, so thank you for that 😊 and I will keep following you 😘
This is an excellent video. I feel like Lorraine is super exclusionary, and if that’s her jam, then fine. I have no desire to try products that made your scalp itch. I’ll keep with my Curlsmith and NYM. How about calling it curly girl tricks?
I so appreciate your thoughts on this subject. I am a "Curly Girl Method-er" and use this method still but like everything else in this world you have to find your balance and what works for you. On wash days my hair is great but by the second day it would turn frizzy, frizzy, frizzy. I tried CGM method of refreshing my hair, but it seems to get dirty faster and had to wash it again by the third day, which had me going thru lots of product $$$$. Today it seems to be worse because I stopped dying my hair and have gone naturally grey. I came across your You Tube channel and I have been following your REFRESH method and it has worked for me!!!! I love how soft and shiny my hair is now and so manageable days after "wash day". I have been able to stretch my washing days to twice a week. If I would have not searched and tried different other techniques, I would have never come across something that worked. Keep up the good work and research.
As a community on instagram and TH-cam, "curly girl method" was probably a nice catch-all for those posting about how do I take care of this curly/wavy hair I was born with? Like Silver Sisters or Grombre for those going all-natural gray. It also helped those of us searching for advice to find you! I think I typed in "wavy curly girl" or maybe "wavy hair" on TH-cam when I found your wonderful channel (my hair is barely wavy).
Whatever you end up calling it, it's *your* online community.
It started with TH-cam for me. I forget now which video led me to the Curly Girl Handbook, but I got it. I thought it was a good book and I found the stories inspiring. But it was only one of many influences.
So glad I found you. My hair became wavier & curlier with multiple surgeries & menopause. It’s coarse & thick, with an oily scalp, but I also have super sensitive skin & allergies. I like getting it clean, I like brushing it, I can’t use anything that causes build-up or weighs my hair down or has a strong smell. I won’t spend more than 15 minutes in a day on hair & makeup, because I’m a low maintenance sort of girl. I’ve been lost as how to care for it since it’s changed. Straightening has been my go-to for decades, but my hair is simply too unwieldy these days. We are so connected to our hair. Not from a vanity perspective, but emotionally & psychologically our hair is somehow connected to our inner selves. Thank you for your authenticity & practicality. It’s a welcome change in a world of slicked-up social media.
Awe, thank you so much! It's certainly a journey.
Great Video!!! Its been a heavy subject that's for sure!! I think you addressed everything so beautifully!! I recently changed my bio to say #mycurlymethod and wrote a post all about what I did and what I continue to do for the health of my curls. Thank you for all the work that you put in on your IG page and TH-cam channel!! Embracing my curls was the hardest thing I've done and it's been 100% worth the journey!!
Great video. You were very respectful to Lorraine and her wishes for her brand. I will no longer be saying I do the Curly Girl Method and using that phrase since that is her wish. I find it very sad though and from a business perspective, probably not a great move on her part to distance so many people from herself. When we hold on to something so tightly, it can stifle growth and opportunity, and strangle the life out of it. Just my two cents.
It’s like reading a book or the news; It’s someone else’s viewpoints but you learn something from it to form your own views. You’ve done a marvelous job in creating what works for you, Courtney, and have helped others to find what works for them.