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I’m a Director of Rehab at a SNF for a large therapy staffing company. Being a therapist just isn’t worth it anymore. 4 years into PDPM and you can just sense how broke these staffing companies are, trying to squeeze as much PCT as possible with on average 30 min sessions per every patient and forcing group/concurrent treatment sessions on nearly every patient. I’ve never seen a more broke industry than therapy. At this point I often discourage people from pursuing any career in therapy. Just go become a PA or NP much higher salary with much less physical demand.
Anyone out there, I’m a young PTA right now. Been working for about 5 years. I’m at the point where I was almost having a quarter life crisis because I realized I choose the wrong career. Bad pay with no raises, benefits being cut, insurance companies paying less. No pensions or other great benefits like that, not even a 401k. Inflation going up meanwhile no raises. I’m currently figuring out which career to go into. Now that being said I really do like the job, so if you looking to just enjoy your career it’s not a bad choice. Although mileage may vary as plenty of people don’t like working these factory PT jobs, but I say it’s better than working a desk job. All in all fun career, but not profitable at all, and it is dying. You have to be real smart about making your own practice or something like management position to actually profit. Becoming a DPT is a better choice than PTA, but even then not much raises, benefits, and may be hard to find full time employemwnt. Not to mention heavy ass student loans and a country who’s inflation goes up and up. I do wanna say though that in these trying times, I’ve still had work. Unlike others who have been laid off.
I’m sorry about your situation brother.. it’s for sure a field that make it hard to get ahead. Cheap and fast schooling for PTA but it’s hard to get long term benefits. And long and expensive schooling for PT but in enormous debt
High student debt, unrealistic productivity standards, high burn out, schools getting greedy, relative low salaries - just a few reasons numbers are declining.
PTA is a great career if you like little to no raises, increasing benefit costs, and hours that fluctuate from barely part time to occasionally full time! If I had a time machine I would go back ten years and choose something else.
3rd semester PTA student. I have been told over and over I was making a bad career choice. I really hope in 2 more semesters I can prove them wrong and find a job. I really love the field. Once I found this career I knew this is what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. I got denied 3 years and kept pushing for this career.
@@juliajackson1264 PTA. Where I am located we only have 2 programs that accept 24 students each year out of about 300 applicants. I literally only got in once I had straight A's.
The only thing that kills DPT is the amount of debt (even if you go to an affordable public college) I don’t know if this is true but I noticed PTA is growing a little faster than DPT. However, I see a lot of DPT programs shifting to online.
PTA might be worth it, DPT definitely isn't worth it. It was different in 2014 when I graduated. I don't know what lies they're telling kids now about the field but they must be pretty creative to keep them interested. Just today my program fired two professors cause no one was signing up. The pay is low, the schooling expensive. The level of bs you have to put up with during the day is outrageous. Choose a different path kids. Nursing is the way to go now, ever since the PDPM switch. Our agency LPNs make more than DPTs. I couldn't find a job anywhere, moved to the biggest city in my state and I couldn't survive on my degree but that was the only place that had some job opportunities. Ended up moving across the country just to be able to survive on my degree.
Ive been thinking bout this for a long time ever since I've been told if its dying or people are leaving. Its probably due to the new reimbursement rule thats happening next year which is aiming at PTAs contribution in the field. Idk much information of it yet but You wouldnt mind if you can do a video about your understanding of the new reimbursement rule? That being said, no matter if they will try to remove this career, it is just IMPOSSIBLE for me to think physical therapy will disappear. They are so necessary becuase we bring back patients to their functional orientated goals, with walking, athletic abilities, from patients with CVA, etc. We are the ones inpatient care look up to. They are just as important as nurses. So I think this could imply that people are leaving due to new politics coming up but will the career be erased? I think NEVER! So whether the supply/demand is high or low, it'll always be there as an important profession.
Great insight be water my amigo (great name btw). The reimbursement policy could be one of the driving factors to lead people away from this profession (especially PTA) but I also believe it’s because of the continuous rise of tuition rates and an unparalleled rise of salary. It’s good to note that the reimbursement cuts only apply to PTAs that are billing Medicare patients only (not only insurances). So it’s not like a cut across the board. I’d love to make a video on this, but I would like to wait on it till 2022 since that is when it will be in effect. I completely agree with you. There is no replacement for the face to face contact what physical therapists have the privilege of having. No robot or machine could ever replace this. We play a CRITICAL role in rehab (in various situations, including the ones your mentioned too). It’s also great for insurance because in the long run, physical therapy actually poses a greater finincial benefit vs medication, imaging, and the chronicity of pain. WE WILL NEVER BE OUT OF A JOB! Everyone needs PT at some point in their life 🙃
@@drjustinleedpt that is truee. People have been debating if the salary is good and yess the tuition is expensive. Thanks! Looking forward to that video on the reimbursement in the future! As always thanks for always making these videos! And thanks for the compliment ahahha
Do you think the amount of applicants is declining because of how high tuition is getting. In Pennsylvania the cheapest program is 90,000$ not including living.
It is difficult to definitely say the reason why, but my number guess would be exactly what you said. The price of tuition is significantly increasing by year but the salary isn’t keeping up. Which ultimately widens the debt to salary ratio… have you looked into Public school programs in Pennsylvania? Public school is significantly cheaper
liftforchange yes every school In pa that I looked at is 80,000$ total tuition. It sucks because I see that other states have programs for 35k -50k total .. but that is only if you live in the state. Btw Thank you for all you do you help a lot
@@MPRaptor345 Im sorry to hear that you do not have many opportunities in PA. You know, there are still programs out there that are affordable for even non residents, such as ARKANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY. They offer about $50K for instate tuition rates but they have a special, "* U.S. Residents with a G.P.A. of at least 3.0 may qualify to receive in-state tuition rates" Just something to look for when searching around! And thank you. Im glad you appreciate the work I put out here on youtube. The goal is to serve students like yourself more! (:
If you are looking at this only in a financial perspective, DPT is a poor decision. However I think the salary for DPT's are growing year by year, but so is the tuition rates. PTA is a great option too and more cost effective. I think it would depend on what your ultimate life goal is. is it to open up your own clinic?
Afternoon/Morning to you sir. I'm in Central Florida and I've actually been mulling over whether to go straight for PTA or PT. Im getting my Massage Therapy liscense next month (mainly the flexible scheduling) and was going to hop right in school for my bachelor's then DPT. My passion is to work with athletes at a Sportsplex, Team, wellness center, etc. I'm (as of yesterday) 27 now and I have no obligations (kids, wife, etc.) What would be the better move to make in your opinion? PTA or PT? I know becoming a PTA I'd be very limited on what could do. But then again being a PT I know would take a while but would be much easier to getting into the sporting realm. Are there any spots in the sporting field for PTA's? I'd appreciate your feedback! Thanks.
Sounds like you’re grinding through a lot already. The only limiting factor to what you can do as a PTA is the collaboration you have with your supervising PT. The extent of your knowledge and what the PT feels comfortable delegating to you and what they prefer to do themselves dictates a lot. I say this as a PTA, B.S.PTA with over 10 years experience and half of that working in a underserved community. I have general supervision which means I only have telecommunication with my supervising PT. Now this doesn’t mean I haven’t had to prove myself and knowledge. While you do not evaluate or discharge patients the extent of what you do isn’t that much less of a PT and you carry out the plan of care. You have to know the same knowledge and schooling highly overlaps. The knowledge that may not overlap in school you end up learning through CEUs, clinical experience, peers and colleagues. As for making the decision between DPT and PTA if you want full autonomy and have the final say go DPT.If you want to be in a collaborative team roll, bounce ideas off the PT, come out of school with less debt and a shorter time frame to graduation I’d say PTA. Although PTA is a 2 year degree getting the B.S.PTA degree(not needed for licensure)is another 2 years so 4 years total. Bridge programs from PTA to DPT are becoming more of a thing so making that shift may be more attainable in the next. few years. Best of luck.
@@jozing8372 Jo Zing! YOU ARE AT IT AGAIN! thank you so much for providing valuable information to this channel. This helps clarify a lot of things for Jalil
I agree with what Jo Zing mentioned below. Something I would like to add though. If your goals are to work with athletes at a Sportsplex, Team, wellness center, etc, it doesn't seem like you necessarily need to have that full degree to work in those settings. You can very much work at any clinic or wellness center and have athletes come and see you. However.. If you want to work with athletes at the college and pro level, you definitely need to have a DPT (minimum) to work in those settings. Most DPT's have additional years of education through residency and fellowship. It's super competitive
Great question! There are a variety of factors that I would highly consider when applying to PT school. Tuition is one of them. I would also consider NPTE pass rate, accreditation, location, clinical setting, class size; just to name a few for you to start considering. I would recommend choosing at least 5-6 programs - some safety schools, comfortable schools, and reaching schools. When are you planning to apply?
Your channel is awesome man. I’ve been like others, batting between going PTA or full DPT. I’m 25, kinda want/need money right now so I can travel a little and eventually be comfortable if I eventually go to DPT school later on and pay for it easier. But, the main reason I was thinking about doing this is money. Would this be a bad idea for me? Obviously not the only reason to pursue this but, yeah. It’s a career
Hmmmmm TBH, the money isnt SUPER GOOD. Especially because of the amount of loans you will need to take out. However, if you can be smart enough and a strong enough applicant, you can get accepted into a public school and pay for tution at around 30-50K. Thats super worth it. I dont think youre wrong for being money motivated. But I also wanted to share with your the raw truth about making about 75-90K and having an average of 110K loans.. thats a lot.
5:48 - 99% employment 12 months after graduation sounds misleading. Is this table specific to students who studied PT, or is this a generic table across multiple disciplines?
Do you have data on what jobs the students were getting? Did the students get into a meaningful job for their careers, or did they end up working part time jobs at mcds during the 12 months after graduation?
6:09 - so what does that mean for you? Is PT as great as this video hypes it up to be? Well, that depends on how accurate or misleading the data is in this video.
Yes it's a dying career. Consider these points. 1. Most people do not pay for physiotherapy sessions, they are provided sessions by MVA's. 2. I have never paid for a physiotherapy session, prefering to spend my hard earned money on a Chiropractor or RMT. 3. During most of my Physiotherapy sessions, I make use of a new piece of equipment...the Proteus, where the Physiotherapy just stands there watching. 4. As we move towards a technological future, with higher gas prices, people drive less and self driving vehicles are incoming. Less driving, less MVA. 5. Most Physiotherapist are paid by the appointment, not salary or hourly. Many physiotherapists must have position in multiple offices to even maintain fulltime pay, often having many hour gaps between appointments. Just my two cents....
I’m graduating this fall with a bachelors degree in Psychology… My school has a hybrid accelerated program that I am super interested in to obtain your DPT. Would you suggest that I graduate this fall with psychology and complete 2 semesters at community college to earn my science pre-reqs? In order to get into the program. Is it worth investing into or should I change my major and graduate later?
I am a physical therapist… honestly yes, it’s dying. It is highly reliant on the governments reimbursement which is not looking good and is declining. Please find something else to go into. It’s not worth it and has a horrible outlook for the future. Go into a trade that produces something. That’s where the money is now and for the future.
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I’m a Director of Rehab at a SNF for a large therapy staffing company. Being a therapist just isn’t worth it anymore. 4 years into PDPM and you can just sense how broke these staffing companies are, trying to squeeze as much PCT as possible with on average 30 min sessions per every patient and forcing group/concurrent treatment sessions on nearly every patient. I’ve never seen a more broke industry than therapy.
At this point I often discourage people from pursuing any career in therapy. Just go become a PA or NP much higher salary with much less physical demand.
I agree. it’s unethical and the workload and pay sucks
Anyone out there, I’m a young PTA right now. Been working for about 5 years. I’m at the point where I was almost having a quarter life crisis because I realized I choose the wrong career. Bad pay with no raises, benefits being cut, insurance companies paying less. No pensions or other great benefits like that, not even a 401k. Inflation going up meanwhile no raises. I’m currently figuring out which career to go into.
Now that being said I really do like the job, so if you looking to just enjoy your career it’s not a bad choice. Although mileage may vary as plenty of people don’t like working these factory PT jobs, but I say it’s better than working a desk job. All in all fun career, but not profitable at all, and it is dying. You have to be real smart about making your own practice or something like management position to actually profit. Becoming a DPT is a better choice than PTA, but even then not much raises, benefits, and may be hard to find full time employemwnt. Not to mention heavy ass student loans and a country who’s inflation goes up and up. I do wanna say though that in these trying times, I’ve still had work. Unlike others who have been laid off.
I’m sorry about your situation brother.. it’s for sure a field that make it hard to get ahead. Cheap and fast schooling for PTA but it’s hard to get long term benefits. And long and expensive schooling for PT but in enormous debt
High student debt, unrealistic productivity standards, high burn out, schools getting greedy, relative low salaries - just a few reasons numbers are declining.
PTA is a great career if you like little to no raises, increasing benefit costs, and hours that fluctuate from barely part time to occasionally full time! If I had a time machine I would go back ten years and choose something else.
Are you a DPT now? are you saying you would chose PTA from your current job? Thank you for sharing this!
3rd semester PTA student. I have been told over and over I was making a bad career choice. I really hope in 2 more semesters I can prove them wrong and find a job. I really love the field. Once I found this career I knew this is what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. I got denied 3 years and kept pushing for this career.
Hey Brooke! Were you applying to DPT programs in the last? Or PTA?
@@juliajackson1264 PTA. Where I am located we only have 2 programs that accept 24 students each year out of about 300 applicants. I literally only got in once I had straight A's.
@@BLM52093 oh wow okay! I’m applying for DPT this year to a few different places and it’s super intimidating!
@@juliajackson1264 Hopefully you will be accepted. If life permits I would like to return or bridge in the future.
@@BLM52093 best of luck!!
The only thing that kills DPT is the amount of debt (even if you go to an affordable public college) I don’t know if this is true but I noticed PTA is growing a little faster than DPT. However, I see a lot of DPT programs shifting to online.
Those are good observations! I totally agree with you.. the debt is insane. I would still choose DPT over PTA
PTA might be worth it, DPT definitely isn't worth it. It was different in 2014 when I graduated. I don't know what lies they're telling kids now about the field but they must be pretty creative to keep them interested. Just today my program fired two professors cause no one was signing up. The pay is low, the schooling expensive. The level of bs you have to put up with during the day is outrageous. Choose a different path kids.
Nursing is the way to go now, ever since the PDPM switch. Our agency LPNs make more than DPTs. I couldn't find a job anywhere, moved to the biggest city in my state and I couldn't survive on my degree but that was the only place that had some job opportunities. Ended up moving across the country just to be able to survive on my degree.
New PTA student here in the fall in Florida, future of the PTA profession
Best of luck from the Tampa Bay Area 👋🏽
Nice! Welcome to the PT fam!!! How much is tuition for you over there for your specific program?
Just graduated as PTA and got a job now. PTA is such a rewarding profession. Good luck in your journey!
Finishing my last rotation this week and just registered for the October NPTE. Good luck man!
Starting my pta program next week!!! Best of luck to you Zane🙏
Ive been thinking bout this for a long time ever since I've been told if its dying or people are leaving. Its probably due to the new reimbursement rule thats happening next year which is aiming at PTAs contribution in the field. Idk much information of it yet but You wouldnt mind if you can do a video about your understanding of the new reimbursement rule?
That being said, no matter if they will try to remove this career, it is just IMPOSSIBLE for me to think physical therapy will disappear. They are so necessary becuase we bring back patients to their functional orientated goals, with walking, athletic abilities, from patients with CVA, etc. We are the ones inpatient care look up to. They are just as important as nurses. So I think this could imply that people are leaving due to new politics coming up but will the career be erased? I think NEVER! So whether the supply/demand is high or low, it'll always be there as an important profession.
Great insight be water my amigo (great name btw). The reimbursement policy could be one of the driving factors to lead people away from this profession (especially PTA) but I also believe it’s because of the continuous rise of tuition rates and an unparalleled rise of salary. It’s good to note that the reimbursement cuts only apply to PTAs that are billing Medicare patients only (not only insurances). So it’s not like a cut across the board. I’d love to make a video on this, but I would like to wait on it till 2022 since that is when it will be in effect.
I completely agree with you. There is no replacement for the face to face contact what physical therapists have the privilege of having. No robot or machine could ever replace this. We play a CRITICAL role in rehab (in various situations, including the ones your mentioned too). It’s also great for insurance because in the long run, physical therapy actually poses a greater finincial benefit vs medication, imaging, and the chronicity of pain. WE WILL NEVER BE OUT OF A JOB! Everyone needs PT at some point in their life 🙃
@@drjustinleedpt that is truee. People have been debating if the salary is good and yess the tuition is expensive. Thanks! Looking forward to that video on the reimbursement in the future! As always thanks for always making these videos! And thanks for the compliment ahahha
@@wolflike24124 Thanks!
Do you think the amount of applicants is declining because of how high tuition is getting. In Pennsylvania the cheapest program is 90,000$ not including living.
It is difficult to definitely say the reason why, but my number guess would be exactly what you said. The price of tuition is significantly increasing by year but the salary isn’t keeping up. Which ultimately widens the debt to salary ratio… have you looked into Public school programs in Pennsylvania? Public school is significantly cheaper
liftforchange yes every school In pa that I looked at is 80,000$ total tuition. It sucks because I see that other states have programs for 35k -50k total .. but that is only if you live in the state. Btw Thank you for all you do you help a lot
@@MPRaptor345 Im sorry to hear that you do not have many opportunities in PA. You know, there are still programs out there that are affordable for even non residents, such as ARKANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY. They offer about $50K for instate tuition rates but they have a special, "* U.S. Residents with a G.P.A. of at least 3.0 may qualify to receive in-state tuition rates" Just something to look for when searching around! And thank you. Im glad you appreciate the work I put out here on youtube. The goal is to serve students like yourself more! (:
@@drjustinleedpt Thanks! Do you know of any other schools that are around 50-60k for out of state tuition or is that the only one that does that?
@@MPRaptor345 there definitely are more schools like that. Research dpt programs and calculate the total cost 👍
I want to become a DPT, seeing this just breaks my heart. Should I switch my major so business or something different?, I’m a sophomore in university…
If you are looking at this only in a financial perspective, DPT is a poor decision. However I think the salary for DPT's are growing year by year, but so is the tuition rates. PTA is a great option too and more cost effective. I think it would depend on what your ultimate life goal is. is it to open up your own clinic?
Afternoon/Morning to you sir. I'm in Central Florida and I've actually been mulling over whether to go straight for PTA or PT. Im getting my Massage Therapy liscense next month (mainly the flexible scheduling) and was going to hop right in school for my bachelor's then DPT. My passion is to work with athletes at a Sportsplex, Team, wellness center, etc. I'm (as of yesterday) 27 now and I have no obligations (kids, wife, etc.) What would be the better move to make in your opinion? PTA or PT? I know becoming a PTA I'd be very limited on what could do. But then again being a PT I know would take a while but would be much easier to getting into the sporting realm. Are there any spots in the sporting field for PTA's? I'd appreciate your feedback! Thanks.
Sounds like you’re grinding through a lot already. The only limiting factor to what you can do as a PTA is the collaboration you have with your supervising PT. The extent of your knowledge and what the PT feels comfortable delegating to you and what they prefer to do themselves dictates a lot. I say this as a PTA, B.S.PTA with over 10 years experience and half of that working in a underserved community. I have general supervision which means I only have telecommunication with my supervising PT. Now this doesn’t mean I haven’t had to prove myself and knowledge. While you do not evaluate or discharge patients the extent of what you do isn’t that much less of a PT and you carry out the plan of care. You have to know the same knowledge and schooling highly overlaps. The knowledge that may not overlap in school you end up learning through CEUs, clinical experience, peers and colleagues. As for making the decision between DPT and PTA if you want full autonomy and have the final say go DPT.If you want to be in a collaborative team roll, bounce ideas off the PT, come out of school with less debt and a shorter time frame to graduation I’d say PTA. Although PTA is a 2 year degree getting the B.S.PTA degree(not needed for licensure)is another 2 years so 4 years total. Bridge programs from PTA to DPT are becoming more of a thing so making that shift may be more attainable in the next. few years. Best of luck.
@@jozing8372 Jo Zing! YOU ARE AT IT AGAIN! thank you so much for providing valuable information to this channel. This helps clarify a lot of things for Jalil
I agree with what Jo Zing mentioned below. Something I would like to add though. If your goals are to work with athletes at a Sportsplex, Team, wellness center, etc, it doesn't seem like you necessarily need to have that full degree to work in those settings. You can very much work at any clinic or wellness center and have athletes come and see you. However.. If you want to work with athletes at the college and pro level, you definitely need to have a DPT (minimum) to work in those settings. Most DPT's have additional years of education through residency and fellowship. It's super competitive
What’s up Dr. How should future DPT students make their PT school list and how many schools should we apply to?
Great question! There are a variety of factors that I would highly consider when applying to PT school. Tuition is one of them. I would also consider NPTE pass rate, accreditation, location, clinical setting, class size; just to name a few for you to start considering. I would recommend choosing at least 5-6 programs - some safety schools, comfortable schools, and reaching schools. When are you planning to apply?
Your channel is awesome man. I’ve been like others, batting between going PTA or full DPT. I’m 25, kinda want/need money right now so I can travel a little and eventually be comfortable if I eventually go to DPT school later on and pay for it easier. But, the main reason I was thinking about doing this is money. Would this be a bad idea for me? Obviously not the only reason to pursue this but, yeah. It’s a career
Hmmmmm TBH, the money isnt SUPER GOOD. Especially because of the amount of loans you will need to take out. However, if you can be smart enough and a strong enough applicant, you can get accepted into a public school and pay for tution at around 30-50K. Thats super worth it. I dont think youre wrong for being money motivated. But I also wanted to share with your the raw truth about making about 75-90K and having an average of 110K loans.. thats a lot.
You ain't lying man
No lie no lie no lieeeeiieeea
5:48 - 99% employment 12 months after graduation sounds misleading. Is this table specific to students who studied PT, or is this a generic table across multiple disciplines?
Do you have data on what jobs the students were getting? Did the students get into a meaningful job for their careers, or did they end up working part time jobs at mcds during the 12 months after graduation?
6:09 - so what does that mean for you? Is PT as great as this video hypes it up to be? Well, that depends on how accurate or misleading the data is in this video.
Yes it's a dying career. Consider these points. 1. Most people do not pay for physiotherapy sessions, they are provided sessions by MVA's. 2. I have never paid for a physiotherapy session, prefering to spend my hard earned money on a Chiropractor or RMT. 3. During most of my Physiotherapy sessions, I make use of a new piece of equipment...the Proteus, where the Physiotherapy just stands there watching. 4. As we move towards a technological future, with higher gas prices, people drive less and self driving vehicles are incoming. Less driving, less MVA. 5. Most Physiotherapist are paid by the appointment, not salary or hourly. Many physiotherapists must have position in multiple offices to even maintain fulltime pay, often having many hour gaps between appointments. Just my two cents....
I’m graduating this fall with a bachelors degree in Psychology… My school has a hybrid accelerated program that I am super interested in to obtain your DPT. Would you suggest that I graduate this fall with psychology and complete 2 semesters at community college to earn my science pre-reqs? In order to get into the program. Is it worth investing into or should I change my major and graduate later?
What did you end up doing ?
Less applicants because tuition is too high
That would be my #1 guess too
I am a physical therapist… honestly yes, it’s dying. It is highly reliant on the governments reimbursement which is not looking good and is declining. Please find something else to go into. It’s not worth it and has a horrible outlook for the future. Go into a trade that produces something. That’s where the money is now and for the future.