Only problem is that an improvised weapon can vary wildly from situation to situation. Hard to dedicate training to a random item you just happened to grab nearby.
@feralart As someone approaching a Brown Belt in Silum Kung-Fu, the second thing I was taught was to immediately grab a weapon in a self defense scenario. A bottle, a mop, a tire iron. I've literally been trained to be 'dedicated' to improvised weapons in real life.
@@DParkerNunya so you will automatically become a machine of destruction with salad tongs, a birdhouse, paddle ball toy, a toilet seat, or a bungee cord? Being able to improvise is one thing, but a dedicated weapon is more of a matter of specificity... it is right there in the name. Improvised weapons is just too broad of a category to be considered dedicated.
Going into this video I was thinking “it absolutely has to have tavern brawler and drunken master”. The tough feat is a wonderful addition. I love this build!
@@atoth62 Monks are pretty good at stealth as well, but you're right, she definitely has Expertise in Acrobatics. Rogue-Monks are excellent skill monkeys and self-sufficient fighters that don't really need weapons or armor. A shame that, RAW, even a Monk's dex based unarmed strikes can't be used with Sneak Attack.
Your comment about movement on water and the turn ending is a welcome point. The same goes for Battle master Evasive Footwork and keeping the AC bonus every turn you move . You wouldn't even have to take the max movement, as long as you keep moving during the turn with some pace it works, raw.
Before becoming a movie actor, Jackie Chan was trained in the Beijing Opera. Also, if you tried to build a D&D character based on Brue Lee and/ or Chuck Norris, you may find that a bit of a challenge. There wouldn't be stats high enough for those 2.
I would have stopped monk at Intoxicated Frenzy and finished up the build with fighter Battle Master for all the cool battle master tricks and action surge
I totally agree, Jackie Chan brought fun comedic kung fu in, but when I wanted a good intense martial arts movie, I loved the speed and intensity of Jet Li
Dedicated weapon would allow you to use a improvised weapon with a fitting shape each day but since you choose the weapon after a rest you can't pick upp a new one during combat and use it only the dedicated weapon functions as a monk weapon.
Would love to see a build for Terry Bogard. Basically Variant Human with best stats being strength, dexterity, constitution, decent stats being charisma, and wisdom, and intelligence sadly being the dump stat. Free feat is Tough for the extra health. Background is Urchin. Class is Monk with the Monastic Tradition being Way of the Ascendant Dragon.
Seriously, I love Jackie Chan and I haven't watched nearly enough of his movies. I've heard that he's mastered the art of being Funny and Awesome at the same time (when normally an actor has to pick one or the other, because we the audience expect failure to be funny). I seem to have decided I most want to see Akito from Ghostwire Tokyo; I'm building a character who is similar to him, and I'm not sure what subclass to give him.
Just one question, why start with both monk and tavern brawler? There is so much overlap between the two that the only benefit from TB is proficiency with improvised weapons. All monks can grapple as a bonus action and get 1d4 unarmed attacks. I like the build but might start off with multiclassing fighter for 2 levels first before going into Monk.
@@Lostangel1000 No, only as a bonus action, which Monks can already do. Anyone can replace an unarmed attack with a shove/grapple, TB allows a bonus action shove/grapple if one makes an attack, which is weaker than what Monks get. The only benefit Monks get from TB is proficiency with improvised weapons, which is important for a Jackie Chan build, but everything else is duplicated by the Martial Arts feature of Monk. Now if TB allowed a extra shove/grapple as part of the same attack action, that would be worth something, but would likely be too strong for a half feat. Getting the +1 to Con still make taking the Feat worthwhile, but it is not as useful as the pre4sentation implies on this build. I still think Jackie Chan in better as Fighter 3/Monk 17 since Jackie doesn't become invisible.
monk & tavern brawler makes sense to me. usually when I dm, I have a house rule called the "dragon ball clause" where natural weapon damage and unarmed damage from multiple sources are able to stack with each other. the idea being you actually trained like a dragon ball character and its shown through the damage you can dish out. its also a nice rule for when you have a player who wants to do hand to hand, and rather then give them a bunch of magic items and homebrew to make them relevant, just allow the damage dice to stack, encouraging them to look into other classes, feat and races to make the best puncher they can.
@@trekthehappyturtle454 Stacking damage dice certainly changes the equation, but then one is getting into the realm of house rules rather than RAW or RAI.
@@brettmajeske3525 one or two simple house rules wont break the fabric of reality. i still find it a bit better cause it encourages your hand to hand players to explore new ways to be the best punchers they can be without you (dm) having to shovel out magic items and homebrew skills & abilities to ensure they can keep up with the nuke scorcerers and the damn near unkillable barbarians in the group. I do value raw heavily, i just made tbe house rule to make my work a tad easier when i have to deal with monk players or players who just want to punch.
I totally thought he was going to take over with those iconic flying knees but he didn't take off as much as I expected, but I definitely appreciated his style
@dndbuilds same. But he became close friends with Paul Walker durring te Fast and Furious stuff. Went on a Spiritual thing after Walker died. Heard he's choosing his family over movies for now. But yeah, still
Could you make a guide for Sho Hakua and Magane Chikujoin from Re: Creators, because i would really like to see, how you would do it. I think Sho would be easy, but the "Ability" to strike from each of his Reflections will be Tricky.
Deception rather than... Performance...? "Because as an actor you have to lie about who you are.", you mean like... performing...? IE as in putting on a performance like what actors do on a stage or production...?
I also think The Forbidden Kingdom is an underrated gem, so thanks for the vindication 😆 Besides the obvious, it was definitely a tie between Jackie Chan and Jet Li 😤 ~_~
Regarding your question...I'm a huge martial arts nerd and I've practiced a few different kinds over the years. I'm not sure I have a single favorite star. Jackie Chan is great -- the Drunken Master movies are classics and Rumble in the Bronz is phenomenal. If I were going to choose one of the three you presented, it'd be Donnie Yen because Wing Chun is one of the styles I've taken a bit from -- he's great in Iron Monkey and in the Ip Man movies (especially the first one). I also like Yen's little bit of kung fu staff work in Rogue One. Jet Li was really good in Hero (which would be great to adapt into a DnD campaign), but generally speaking he's not my guy. A couple others that you should put on your list: - Tony Jaa from the Ong Bak movies - Iko Uwais from The Raid - Jason Statham from The Transporter and War - Gina Carano from Haywire - Van Damme from Bloodsport, Kickboxer, and Hard Target I have great respect for Michael Jai White as a martial artist, but his movies never clicked for me. Wesley Snipes' martial arts in the Blade movies were very strong -- Blade would be a really good video for you as there's a lot of character and abilities to cover.
Tony Jaa had some epic flying knees I wanted more of, the raid was absolutely amazing, Jason Stathom needs more pure kung fu movies to highlight his skills, Gina was so intense in Haywire I legit wanted her to play Wonder woman, and Van Damme is a classic and The splits are iconic
@@dndbuilds I like the idea of a Hard Target-inspired DnD campaign where the party stumbles on a villain who helps rich nobles hunt low level heroes for sport.
At 18th level I would have switched to fighter, signaling his proficiency with all weapons due to the length of his career, taken the "blind fighting" fighting style, and then go fighter 2 for action surge bringing total attacks to 11, and then either champion for the fact that Jackie always wins or Echo Knight to represent all the different versions of himself he's played in his movies helping him out. Either way is busted, either getting even more attacks with Echo Knight or getting crits on 19-20 with 11 attacks per-turn.
I would actual start with fighter and then multiclass into Monk. Starting with Fighter gives more starting HP and action surge for the entirety of the build. That would also make Dedicated Weapon more useful.
@@brettmajeske3525It's better mechanically, but I think playing the representation of Jackie without unarmored defense is rough. If the game starts at level 3 I might go for this.
I've never actually seen any of this stuff, but looking them up it looks like he's actually a Taiwanese kung fu artist, and I'm all for repping Taiwan so I'll have to make sure I check it out
If you're doing this build, and then assume that dex and con get boosted from racial bonus, then I think that's fine, you'll just lose out on 1 point towards the DC you force on enemies
@@dndbuilds Fair point but it would be fun to make a mid maxed power gamer type character, see how over powered you could become. But yes, you would never be able to come close to either of them.
Of course Donnie Yen deserves your attention but what about Sammo Hung he had a cop show on CBS at one point Or Yukari Oshima who went on to have a whole Filipino career under the stage name Cynthia Luster Or our homegirl who starred in "Supercop" with Jackie Chan and has an Oscar to her name Michelle Yeoh.
The problem with Forbidden Kingdom is the same one with the last Mortal Kombat movie and the last Bruce Lee movie. You have Jet Li and Jackie Chan in the same movie, and the story revolves around some rando white kid! Chosen one, my butt! Sidelining the best characters for some unknown is an awful plot device. So I have to disagree with you on principle.
Alright, Jackie Chan. The build we never ask for but deserve. Great job, man.
Yeah it was a random urge to build after thinking about the old cartoon show
@@dndbuilds I remember watching the Jackie Chan adventures it was awesome Saturday morning cartoons.
@@dndbuilds do Hak Foo!!!!!! That would be hilarious
@@christophervillajr8471 heyy you might wanna check out Panic at the Dojo it's a ttrpg
Performance also covers his opera training.
So, this will let me go on many Jackie Chan Adventures with Jade and Uncle.
sheesh someone who still remembers this cartoon!
Bad day bad day bad day bad day!
That's crazy Jade you're crazy!
One more thing!
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO ALLOW IMPROVISED WEAPONS TO BE YOUR DEDICATED WEAPONS FOR SO LONG OH MY GOD THANK YOU
Glad I'm not the only one
Only problem is that an improvised weapon can vary wildly from situation to situation. Hard to dedicate training to a random item you just happened to grab nearby.
@feralart As someone approaching a Brown Belt in Silum Kung-Fu, the second thing I was taught was to immediately grab a weapon in a self defense scenario. A bottle, a mop, a tire iron. I've literally been trained to be 'dedicated' to improvised weapons in real life.
@@DParkerNunya so you will automatically become a machine of destruction with salad tongs, a birdhouse, paddle ball toy, a toilet seat, or a bungee cord? Being able to improvise is one thing, but a dedicated weapon is more of a matter of specificity... it is right there in the name. Improvised weapons is just too broad of a category to be considered dedicated.
Going into this video I was thinking “it absolutely has to have tavern brawler and drunken master”. The tough feat is a wonderful addition. I love this build!
A couple of characters I wish to see next are Kim Possible and Ron Stoppable.
My first instinct is Kim as an unarmed battle master fighter and Ron as a drunken monk to simulate monkey kung fu.
@@MagusAgrippa8 Kim probably has levels in Rogue as well. She frequently sneaks into villains' bases.
@@atoth62 Monks are pretty good at stealth as well, but you're right, she definitely has Expertise in Acrobatics. Rogue-Monks are excellent skill monkeys and self-sufficient fighters that don't really need weapons or armor. A shame that, RAW, even a Monk's dex based unarmed strikes can't be used with Sneak Attack.
This was so unexpected but amazing. Also another shameless request for Raikou from Fate/Grand Order
Your comment about movement on water and the turn ending is a welcome point. The same goes for Battle master Evasive Footwork and keeping the AC bonus every turn you move . You wouldn't even have to take the max movement, as long as you keep moving during the turn with some pace it works, raw.
Before becoming a movie actor, Jackie Chan was trained in the Beijing Opera. Also, if you tried to build a D&D character based on Brue Lee and/ or Chuck Norris, you may find that a bit of a challenge. There wouldn't be stats high enough for those 2.
fair
I would have stopped monk at Intoxicated Frenzy and finished up the build with fighter Battle Master for all the cool battle master tricks and action surge
Could you do John McLain.
I actually did make it for a Christmas special lol
I have always loved Jet Li. As a National Wushu champion, Jet has the speed and extreme skill that made him popular with me
I totally agree, Jackie Chan brought fun comedic kung fu in, but when I wanted a good intense martial arts movie, I loved the speed and intensity of Jet Li
100% agree. Although both Jackie and Jet were awesome in Forbidden Kingdom
@@dndbuildsJackie Chan doesn't see himself as a "martial arts" movie star. He views himself as more of a modern day Buster Keaton.
Dedicated weapon would allow you to use a improvised weapon with a fitting shape each day but since you choose the weapon after a rest you can't pick upp a new one during combat and use it only the dedicated weapon functions as a monk weapon.
Donnie Yen, definitely. My monk in our Pathfinder campaign was inspired by him in Iron Monkey. I’m loving that he’s getting so much love lately!
I think this is the second comment I've seen on Donnie Yen's side
Tavern Brawler is always a must when you're play as Chan the Man, he'll whoop anything with a ladder, banana peels, or even his own ponytail 😂
Would love to see a build for Terry Bogard.
Basically Variant Human with best stats being strength, dexterity, constitution, decent stats being charisma, and wisdom, and intelligence sadly being the dump stat. Free feat is Tough for the extra health. Background is Urchin. Class is Monk with the Monastic Tradition being Way of the Ascendant Dragon.
Putting on my favorites tyvm!
Definitely always wanted the Jackie Chan build! Now I can go beat Goblins and Dragons with comedy and badassery
Maybe chow yun fat, or the five deadly venoms which is rivalling the enter the dragon movie as the best martial arts movie of all time
Seriously, I love Jackie Chan and I haven't watched nearly enough of his movies. I've heard that he's mastered the art of being Funny and Awesome at the same time (when normally an actor has to pick one or the other, because we the audience expect failure to be funny).
I seem to have decided I most want to see Akito from Ghostwire Tokyo; I'm building a character who is similar to him, and I'm not sure what subclass to give him.
Make Jack Black next ! He's a bard for sure !
I've played it before. It's really good.
Nice, could you also build Bruce lee
Just one question, why start with both monk and tavern brawler? There is so much overlap between the two that the only benefit from TB is proficiency with improvised weapons. All monks can grapple as a bonus action and get 1d4 unarmed attacks. I like the build but might start off with multiclassing fighter for 2 levels first before going into Monk.
doesn't TB allow you to grab as PART the attack with a Improvised Weapon?
@@Lostangel1000 No, only as a bonus action, which Monks can already do. Anyone can replace an unarmed attack with a shove/grapple, TB allows a bonus action shove/grapple if one makes an attack, which is weaker than what Monks get. The only benefit Monks get from TB is proficiency with improvised weapons, which is important for a Jackie Chan build, but everything else is duplicated by the Martial Arts feature of Monk.
Now if TB allowed a extra shove/grapple as part of the same attack action, that would be worth something, but would likely be too strong for a half feat.
Getting the +1 to Con still make taking the Feat worthwhile, but it is not as useful as the pre4sentation implies on this build. I still think Jackie Chan in better as Fighter 3/Monk 17 since Jackie doesn't become invisible.
monk & tavern brawler makes sense to me. usually when I dm, I have a house rule called the "dragon ball clause" where natural weapon damage and unarmed damage from multiple sources are able to stack with each other. the idea being you actually trained like a dragon ball character and its shown through the damage you can dish out.
its also a nice rule for when you have a player who wants to do hand to hand, and rather then give them a bunch of magic items and homebrew to make them relevant, just allow the damage dice to stack, encouraging them to look into other classes, feat and races to make the best puncher they can.
@@trekthehappyturtle454 Stacking damage dice certainly changes the equation, but then one is getting into the realm of house rules rather than RAW or RAI.
@@brettmajeske3525 one or two simple house rules wont break the fabric of reality. i still find it a bit better cause it encourages your hand to hand players to explore new ways to be the best punchers they can be without you (dm) having to shovel out magic items and homebrew skills & abilities to ensure they can keep up with the nuke scorcerers and the damn near unkillable barbarians in the group.
I do value raw heavily, i just made tbe house rule to make my work a tad easier when i have to deal with monk players or players who just want to punch.
I think anos voldigoad would be a very interesting character, wonder if there would be a way to capture all of his power into a build
Not OG per say, but Tony Jaa is on top of my list, with IP Man there coming in 4th (under Bruce and Jackie. 5th being Jet)
I totally thought he was going to take over with those iconic flying knees but he didn't take off as much as I expected, but I definitely appreciated his style
@dndbuilds same. But he became close friends with Paul Walker durring te Fast and Furious stuff. Went on a Spiritual thing after Walker died. Heard he's choosing his family over movies for now. But yeah, still
Could you make a guide for Sho Hakua and Magane Chikujoin from Re: Creators, because i would really like to see, how you would do it. I think Sho would be easy, but the "Ability" to strike from each of his Reflections will be Tricky.
Deception rather than... Performance...? "Because as an actor you have to lie about who you are.", you mean like... performing...? IE as in putting on a performance like what actors do on a stage or production...?
That was mostly just an excuse because I knew drunken master would give use performance as part of the subclass in a couple levels
Can you make an advanced Order of Scribes wizard build?
I also think The Forbidden Kingdom is an underrated gem, so thanks for the vindication 😆
Besides the obvious, it was definitely a tie between Jackie Chan and Jet Li 😤
~_~
Hey could you by chance do a build of ragna from rag a crimson I personally thought it would be a cool build
Regarding your question...I'm a huge martial arts nerd and I've practiced a few different kinds over the years.
I'm not sure I have a single favorite star. Jackie Chan is great -- the Drunken Master movies are classics and Rumble in the Bronz is phenomenal. If I were going to choose one of the three you presented, it'd be Donnie Yen because Wing Chun is one of the styles I've taken a bit from -- he's great in Iron Monkey and in the Ip Man movies (especially the first one). I also like Yen's little bit of kung fu staff work in Rogue One. Jet Li was really good in Hero (which would be great to adapt into a DnD campaign), but generally speaking he's not my guy.
A couple others that you should put on your list:
- Tony Jaa from the Ong Bak movies
- Iko Uwais from The Raid
- Jason Statham from The Transporter and War
- Gina Carano from Haywire
- Van Damme from Bloodsport, Kickboxer, and Hard Target
I have great respect for Michael Jai White as a martial artist, but his movies never clicked for me. Wesley Snipes' martial arts in the Blade movies were very strong -- Blade would be a really good video for you as there's a lot of character and abilities to cover.
Tony Jaa had some epic flying knees I wanted more of, the raid was absolutely amazing, Jason Stathom needs more pure kung fu movies to highlight his skills, Gina was so intense in Haywire I legit wanted her to play Wonder woman, and Van Damme is a classic and The splits are iconic
@@dndbuilds I like the idea of a Hard Target-inspired DnD campaign where the party stumbles on a villain who helps rich nobles hunt low level heroes for sport.
At 18th level I would have switched to fighter, signaling his proficiency with all weapons due to the length of his career, taken the "blind fighting" fighting style, and then go fighter 2 for action surge bringing total attacks to 11, and then either champion for the fact that Jackie always wins or Echo Knight to represent all the different versions of himself he's played in his movies helping him out. Either way is busted, either getting even more attacks with Echo Knight or getting crits on 19-20 with 11 attacks per-turn.
I would actual start with fighter and then multiclass into Monk. Starting with Fighter gives more starting HP and action surge for the entirety of the build. That would also make Dedicated Weapon more useful.
@@brettmajeske3525It's better mechanically, but I think playing the representation of Jackie without unarmored defense is rough. If the game starts at level 3 I might go for this.
@@MrDavidKord That is the one drawback.
My gut says level 20 Drunken Master Monk, but considering your disclaimer of all versions of the man, I'm expecting maybe a bit of multiclassing.
Can you do frank horrigan?
Before Bruce Lee came around the number one Kung Fu guy was Jimmy Wang yu. Check out the one armed swordsman and the flying guillotine.
I've never actually seen any of this stuff, but looking them up it looks like he's actually a Taiwanese kung fu artist, and I'm all for repping Taiwan so I'll have to make sure I check it out
Donnie Yen is definitely my go to
I think you're the first person who has been on his side over anybody else's at the moment
Do one for UFC fighters
Can you do mythologically accurate Odin next? Pleaaaaaaaase 🙏
Can you try to make dracula from the castlevania netflix series
slave knight Gael build for DND?
Just throwing this out there for a standard point aray: Str 10 Dex 15 Con 13 Int 12 Wis 14 Cha 8. Thoughts?
If you're doing this build, and then assume that dex and con get boosted from racial bonus, then I think that's fine, you'll just lose out on 1 point towards the DC you force on enemies
We need Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris.
Gods don't usually get builds like player characters do LOL
@@dndbuilds Fair point but it would be fun to make a mid maxed power gamer type character, see how over powered you could become.
But yes, you would never be able to come close to either of them.
I’d watch those old guys throw down
Jackie Chan forever, imho.
Not gonna lie... I was really hoping for the Jackie Chan Adventurers version.
Interesting non the less, though
All this build needs is some talisman magical items.
dip your toes into warlock and you can get a talisman that does a bunch of insane stuff, as well as some invocations that make it even more better.
So the drunken monk is JUST Jackie Chan.
My favourite kung fu stars are Jet Li and Michelle Yeoh
Of course Jackie Chan was going to be a Drunken Master Monk. Anything else just wouldn’t do him justice.
True, I felt like it was almost too straight forward but nothing else truly made sense
Open hand monk would have made sense too
Of course Donnie Yen deserves your attention but what about Sammo Hung he had a cop show on CBS at one point
Or Yukari Oshima who went on to have a whole Filipino career under the stage name Cynthia Luster
Or our homegirl who starred in "Supercop" with Jackie Chan and has an Oscar to her name Michelle Yeoh.
Where is Jean-Claude Van Damm?
Your comment about lv9 unarmored movement is incorrect, according to the people who made the rules.
Donnie yen is awesome
Should be Performance instead of Deception
Clearly this is impossible. Any feat that'd make you unbeatable while around antiques is too broken to be in D&D.
Yo, I'm first for once lol
Hells yeah
The problem with Forbidden Kingdom is the same one with the last Mortal Kombat movie and the last Bruce Lee movie. You have Jet Li and Jackie Chan in the same movie, and the story revolves around some rando white kid! Chosen one, my butt! Sidelining the best characters for some unknown is an awful plot device. So I have to disagree with you on principle.
I can understand that, I was just hyped to see them in the same movie