You can’t get rid of corruption without getting rid of the ANC and that’s where the problem is Ramaphosa is not just getting rid of corruption his getting rid of the ANC and the problem now we face is who/what is going to replace it ?
@@dandyally9983 I will say a poor fake because now it's clear now that there is division. Has destroyed ANC or will say CR has won in destroying it, whatever has happened on ANC it's pushing up EFF to lead the country while these analysis are analyzing lies. Already what they are saying the RT is aware of it and they won't agree to any unity only voting in which CR is scared of because he knows they will win.
He is skilled in the art of dancing around the issues and sowing unclarity where we all see things clearly. He should become Cyril's spokeperson. A typical snake.
So very true. There is no academic and logical analysis of issues that we should expect from a so called professor. He is nowhere near Gogo Matshiqi. In fact even the young Sizwe Mpofu Walsh is miles ahead of this academic
I agree with you completely, I think no one can be completely impartial but this prof is way too biased in favor of Ramaphosa, for now I enjoy Gogo Aubrey Matshiqi analysis
You're the one sounding biased, the Prof painted a true reflection of events unfolding. But some of you are just simply incorregible or should i say gullible for lack of a better word.
Mxm Mcebisi is not a political analyst, hez a rented CR17 spoke person Legitimate analyst don't take sides but genuinely give insight to the current political climate. But Mcebisi is a factional analyst
Ndletyana must know that there are many people who can analyse better than him who are not fortunate like to get platform.He still analyse like a supporter not an academic but at least he was not too emotional like last time. He must remember that his grandchildren may watch this video in 2050. Swana is a real analysis because his mind is free .He look brighter than Ndletyana because he mind is free. Swana is teaching us, and giving us new dimension. Analyst must prepare for these interviews with open mind like a referee and real judge not judge...., It is their name at stake. If you are overwhelm with factions and heroes or villains ,time may defeat and expose for ever .You may look like a buffoon in 2035.
What we need now is African people of stature like professors who above factions. We may need them if these factions widened to chaos. Just imagine if ANC veterans were little more diplomatic and less judgemental until they have solid evidence .Veterans would have gain trust as elders to intervene now . It is obvious in Prof analysis that he still believe that ANC have a corrupt faction and another one which is fighting corruption. Corruption in SA is across all factions ,sectors ,races etc .This approach make him look naive or desperate for recognition and media coverage or being used. We all know that kicking an already declared villain is short cut to media coverage and recognition. Once you expose corruption across you become Maimane. Others pity him ,others like or hate him but it is in Prof hands to research about corruption stand for truth. If people hate him for truth at TIME will vindicate him eventually. If they love him because they were misled or because he is used, TIME will eventually expose him. This is not a sprint but a marathon battle. If not he must disappear while his name is still intact.
The NPA must just prioritize charging ALL ANC members with allegations, and lets see if they too will step aside or get suspended, in my view its only RET forces that are being targeted
Why would there be policy forces within the ANC. The people who identify themselves as RET forces are the main problem in the ANC. They have been stealing and they use this ANC Policy as their cover sheet.
You can analys all your wishes as far as you can , the only thing you are nothing to is the branches as they preparing to take everything to their voice,no one is going to stop the branches even that bluffing analyst, and I think the time is now over for the whole NEC, watch the space, you can so long celebrate for now
@@loyiso5803 It is not clear what sort of Ace victory do you envisage. I have never thought I will live to see a worst secretary general of the ANC. To think that this office was once occupied by the likes of Walter Sisulu, Oliver Tambo and the dynamic intellectual called Duma Nokwe. It is amazing to think that the ANC could easily be among the few national liberation, in history, that managed produce huge quantities of information in the form of pamphlets, journals, books, and conference proceedings. Yet Ace claim of long-term membership of the ANC barely reflects such a history. I was horrified when Ace publicly demonstrated lack of understanding of the 1969 Strategy and Tactics of the ANC by claiming that only members with MK background should be leaders. What seems to baffles is the notion of Radical Economic Transformation as espoused by the supporters of ACE Magashule. In actual fact their understanding of radical transformation is so shallow, it is actually embarrassing. Strange enough they had the past ten years to put in place policies to realise this goal. Instead they empowered the Guptas and other parasitic crony capitalists. These people in government only managed to distribute poverty among the same masses they claim to lead. Branch meetings these days are controlled by local barons and singing and sloganeering are the preoccupation and not policy analysis. Those ended during the era of underground struggle. You see if these RET brigade manage to hijack the ANC, the latter will never win elections. During the Zuma years a foreign civilian plane landed at our key Air force Base and nothing was done and only lame excuses were made. This was a lowest point of the post colonial South Africa. Many could not even fathom the gravity of the problem. The implications were dire because hostile external forces could easily access our strategic installation to the detriment of our country and people. I do not think I heard anything from Tony Yengeni, another RET enthusiast, whose task in the NEC is safety and security. Maybe I am expecting too much from this grouping.
You see now the Prof is coming back, "the anc runners are following the money and the money is with Cyril ", Prof Ndletyana is a Ramaphosa guy for real, so let's go from the beginning he admits the Ramaphosa faction is gaining momentum, wining or majority in the NEC, so I will put to him u Prof that those anc nec people are not committed to cleanliness or anti corruption they want to say their assea at the expense of the minute faction at the moment, so as much as Ace's politics are "fake" so is Ramaphosa, check the issue of Gomba when it all happen where was Mabuyane, where was Marsualle and where are they now? Come on Prof at least be consistent, 90% of anc runners follow the money not conviction that's exactly what is happening in the NEC right now, I like Mr Swana's well put observation that 80% of the anc is corrupt and Ramaphosa is in that lot together with Ace, the medicine analogy and first aid, spot on. Every in coming president makes appointments with big promises about corruption and we are still here.
I'm still saying that,no one is bigger than the branches and no one is going to stop them on their voice as they already starting in all provinces as the NEC is built out of their voices, they are the first and they are the last,in one word the NEC is not bigger than the branches
@@japrosper1258 you are absolutely on it that's good, the branches elect leadership in the conference really not in the NEC that is why they are now mobilizing like they preparing for the conference because the NEC don't have powers without consulting branches,Ace was elected in the conference by the branches not NEC that's why your Juju said Ramaphosa is ill adviced because nothing you can do without talking to the branches and all that branches elect Magashule with all scandals around him, last week we all saw North West branches had meeting,Free State branches and SANCO had meeting yesterday for now only from eThekwini 68 branches had meeting and other provinces doing the same with one voice and they said if their is no heard,no choice only to call for the conference
@@mamathembu6298 Are you saying every time a decision is to be made branches are to be consulted. What is the point of the NEC and NWC? if you apply critical thinking and analysis, you will realise that such a scenario will result in nothing being done. Therefore, there will be no organisation and government to run. Things do not work like that, certainly in any self respecting organisation. What is the point of having policies, which are simply a guide to action. This strange reasoning by ACE is quite extraordinary and exposes him as a charlatan with scant understanding of of ANC policies. Nobody is explaining how this consultation will take place. Frankly, if it was to be followed everything would grind to a halt. Only people with vested interests in corruption will support this strange way of thinking. Of course these days branches are populated , mostly, by clueless people
While comments on news broadcasts should mostly be in the form of criticism, I just want to say that this dude is one of the best news anchors in SA - judging by the coverage of the ANC crisis alone. He isn't political, but you can see from his emotions that he has political views. That makes him professional.
Let CR and NEC call for an early conference I want to see something or let's prove this support for CR. If CR believe his doing good and if these analyst are being realistic why is he using tactics to take people out not doing it in a democratic way because that's the way of getting rid of a person in a peaceful way. If he feels his strong and have enough support since his doing good let it be in a conference because what is happening is not a ANC but a group of CR ruling and taking decisions for the ANC without consulting the ANC.
I'm sorry but you are being factional in your views. What CR is implementing are Conference resolutions. What makes you think he is implementing his own decisions? What will calling of an early Conference do according to you? Or you hope that early Conference will change the decision of the 54th Conference to root out corruption?
@@mandisifeni9381 it's because there are seven important resolutions that where taken which one is the land issue second reserve bank issue, at of all he only took this one into implementation so why not implementing all of them if his being fair ? Because those will benefit every black person in this country. The step aside won't change anyone life as black person only to keep him in power that's all. So why should we get excited as if the poor will benefited on this ?
@@blessngs6252 A lot of people who seem to support nationalisation of strategic assets do so from ignorance. For their argument to carry weight, they need to be clued up about the economic situation in South Africa. Firstly, we have more than 700 entities under state control in different spheres of government- nationalised entities. Therefore, if they cared about nationalisation they would insist on government to employ competent and skilled individuals to run entities under government control. The so-called RET brigade are silent in this respect. To me they are not radical, but mistaken chest beating bravado to radicalism. Ominously, their argument for complete nationalisation of the reserve equates to printing paper money and its increased circulation. That would be disastrous because our economy has shrunk so much that the increased volume of money supply would be inflationary because we are producing correspondingly fewer goods and services. The consequences would be money that is just a worthless paper. Imagine buying a loaf of bread for two thousand rands. This is actually what is happening in some countries on the continent, e.g. Zimbabwe. During the OR Tambo era we were grounded on the fundamentals of Political Economy which clearly explains the structure of the economy and the forces that influence it. Shouting empty slogans would not do because ignorance cannot be the basis of promoting a particular perspective.
@@molekoaneranyaoa391 if I may ask I'm sure we are aware that they all went into jail right ? What good or perfection we were expecting ? The danger is how he is doing it can lead into cold war because these are people who are able to do anything. While we busy reasoning well. The economy you are talking about can go fast into zero. So if you gonna deal without thinking it can get worse very easy and take us another decades to rebuild it or never even come back. The black government was set up for failure. Why I'm saying so they gave us freedom with np economy or land. Hunger can control mind. Every man want to leave something for his family and generation's, so every who gets a chance to do so will. Pointing fingers to each other will only lead into a fight while this was a set up. We should have questioned ourselves first or have a commission that will check how much this country had before 1994 and what happened to those transactions. Second even now we are owing 10 percentage of land and 90 percentage to whites why ? This is a joke, how do we expect to do well as country if economy is given into one group. Sasol was sold why ? When and why ?. There is a lot that contribute to corruption and where people are hungry the crime rate it's also high meaning corruption won't be finished if you don't deal with poverty.
You can’t get rid of corruption without getting rid of the ANC and that’s where the problem is Ramaphosa is not just getting rid of corruption his getting rid of the ANC and the problem now we face is who/what is going to replace it ?
We need a paradigm shift. A move away from the current electoral system
It was a quick counter attack by the NEC.I wonder what will be Ace and his friends (Mahumapelo and others)response?A big blow for RET.
It was indeed a display of strength and coming across as peace makers while setting a trap for Ace. /knowing Ace he will jump in
@@dandyally9983 I will say a poor fake because now it's clear now that there is division. Has destroyed ANC or will say CR has won in destroying it, whatever has happened on ANC it's pushing up EFF to lead the country while these analysis are analyzing lies. Already what they are saying the RT is aware of it and they won't agree to any unity only voting in which CR is scared of because he knows they will win.
Mcebisi loves Ramaposa
He is skilled in the art of dancing around the issues and sowing unclarity where we all see things clearly. He should become Cyril's spokeperson. A typical snake.
Perhaps he hates corruption and unrepentant corruption elements in our society.
So very true. There is no academic and logical analysis of issues that we should expect from a so called professor. He is nowhere near Gogo Matshiqi. In fact even the young Sizwe Mpofu Walsh is miles ahead of this academic
@@Mr300568 its true my man,remember the interview between the prof Ndlentyana and eff Dr Ndlozi
Ndletyana's love for Ramaphosa ready cloud how he is analysing he is so biased .
Your love for ACE makes you hate analysts who are doing their job.
I agree with you completely, I think no one can be completely impartial but this prof is way too biased in favor of Ramaphosa, for now I enjoy Gogo Aubrey Matshiqi analysis
@@omonyh Aubrey has been improving I must say. I enjoy him too. Everyone is entitled to their views. Commentary is not a science
You're the one sounding biased, the Prof painted a true reflection of events unfolding. But some of you are just simply incorregible or should i say gullible for lack of a better word.
Ndletyana is a propagandist
Mxm Mcebisi is not a political analyst, hez a rented CR17 spoke person
Legitimate analyst don't take sides but genuinely give insight to the current political climate. But Mcebisi is a factional analyst
MIndboggling incompetence and laziness in the public sector. Sandile nailed it there.
Ndletyana must know that there are many people who can analyse better than him who are not fortunate like to get platform.He still analyse like a supporter not an academic but at least he was not too emotional like last time. He must remember that his grandchildren may watch this video in 2050. Swana is a real analysis because his mind is free .He look brighter than Ndletyana because he mind is free. Swana is teaching us, and giving us new dimension. Analyst must prepare for these interviews with open mind like a referee and real judge not judge...., It is their name at stake. If you are overwhelm with factions and heroes or villains ,time may defeat and expose for ever .You may look like a buffoon in 2035.
Just say you like Swana, because there is no science to your opinion.
What we need now is African people of stature like professors who above factions. We may need them if these factions widened to chaos. Just imagine if ANC veterans were little more diplomatic and less judgemental until they have solid evidence .Veterans would have gain trust as elders to intervene now . It is obvious in Prof analysis that he still believe that ANC have a corrupt faction and another one which is fighting corruption. Corruption in SA is across all factions ,sectors ,races etc .This approach make him look naive or desperate for recognition and media coverage or being used. We all know that kicking an already declared villain is short cut to media coverage and recognition. Once you expose corruption across you become Maimane. Others pity him ,others like or hate him but it is in Prof hands to research about corruption stand for truth. If people hate him for truth at TIME will vindicate him eventually. If they love him because they were misled or because he is used, TIME will eventually expose him. This is not a sprint but a marathon battle. If not he must disappear while his name is still intact.
The NPA must just prioritize charging ALL ANC members with allegations, and lets see if they too will step aside or get suspended, in my view its only RET forces that are being targeted
What evidence do you have of that?
Why would there be policy forces within the ANC. The people who identify themselves as RET forces are the main problem in the ANC. They have been stealing and they use this ANC Policy as their cover sheet.
@@luvonjadu2186 The problem is WMC, who have Cyril in their pockets, unseal the CR17 Bank Statements and you will see for yourself
Agreed,
RET is a resolution of the last anc congress not a faction propaganda
You can analys all your wishes as far as you can , the only thing you are nothing to is the branches as they preparing to take everything to their voice,no one is going to stop the branches even that bluffing analyst, and I think the time is now over for the whole NEC, watch the space, you can so long celebrate for now
I agree with you, let them celebrate now, in time Ace will come out of this victorious
@@omonyh lol!
What a clueless comment to make
@@loyiso5803 It is not clear what sort of Ace victory do you envisage. I have never thought I will live to see a worst secretary general of the ANC. To think that this office was once occupied by the likes of Walter Sisulu, Oliver Tambo and the dynamic intellectual called Duma Nokwe. It is amazing to think that the ANC could easily be among the few national liberation, in history, that managed produce huge quantities of information in the form of pamphlets, journals, books, and conference proceedings. Yet Ace claim of long-term membership of the ANC barely reflects such a history. I was horrified when Ace publicly demonstrated lack of understanding of the 1969 Strategy and Tactics of the ANC by claiming that only members with MK background should be leaders. What seems to baffles is the notion of Radical Economic Transformation as espoused by the supporters of ACE Magashule. In actual fact their understanding of radical transformation is so shallow, it is actually embarrassing. Strange enough they had the past ten years to put in place policies to realise this goal. Instead they empowered the Guptas and other parasitic crony capitalists. These people in government only managed to distribute poverty among the same masses they claim to lead. Branch meetings these days are controlled by local barons and singing and sloganeering are the preoccupation and not policy analysis. Those ended during the era of underground struggle. You see if these RET brigade manage to hijack the ANC, the latter will never win elections. During the Zuma years a foreign civilian plane landed at our key Air force Base and nothing was done and only lame excuses were made. This was a lowest point of the post colonial South Africa. Many could not even fathom the gravity of the problem. The implications were dire because hostile external forces could easily access our strategic installation to the detriment of our country and people. I do not think I heard anything from Tony Yengeni, another RET enthusiast, whose task in the NEC is safety and security. Maybe I am expecting too much from this grouping.
What a point of listening to the news, when sound is so poor and nobody cares?
You see now the Prof is coming back, "the anc runners are following the money and the money is with Cyril ", Prof Ndletyana is a Ramaphosa guy for real, so let's go from the beginning he admits the Ramaphosa faction is gaining momentum, wining or majority in the NEC, so I will put to him u Prof that those anc nec people are not committed to cleanliness or anti corruption they want to say their assea at the expense of the minute faction at the moment, so as much as Ace's politics are "fake" so is Ramaphosa, check the issue of Gomba when it all happen where was Mabuyane, where was Marsualle and where are they now?
Come on Prof at least be consistent, 90% of anc runners follow the money not conviction that's exactly what is happening in the NEC right now, I like Mr Swana's well put observation that 80% of the anc is corrupt and Ramaphosa is in that lot together with Ace, the medicine analogy and first aid, spot on. Every in coming president makes appointments with big promises about corruption and we are still here.
I'm still saying that,no one is bigger than the branches and no one is going to stop them on their voice as they already starting in all provinces as the NEC is built out of their voices, they are the first and they are the last,in one word the NEC is not bigger than the branches
Are you still there? On the " branches" narrative?? Branches spoke already in the electice conferences 😆🤣😂
@@japrosper1258 you are absolutely on it that's good, the branches elect leadership in the conference really not in the NEC that is why they are now mobilizing like they preparing for the conference because the NEC don't have powers without consulting branches,Ace was elected in the conference by the branches not NEC that's why your Juju said Ramaphosa is ill adviced because nothing you can do without talking to the branches and all that branches elect Magashule with all scandals around him, last week we all saw North West branches had meeting,Free State branches and SANCO had meeting yesterday for now only from eThekwini 68 branches had meeting and other provinces doing the same with one voice and they said if their is no heard,no choice only to call for the conference
Problem is: Ace is suspended & branches can't reinstate him.
@@mamathembu6298 Are you saying every time a decision is to be made branches are to be consulted. What is the point of the NEC and NWC? if you apply critical thinking and analysis, you will realise that such a scenario will result in nothing being done. Therefore, there will be no organisation and government to run. Things do not work like that, certainly in any self respecting organisation. What is the point of having policies, which are simply a guide to action. This strange reasoning by ACE is quite extraordinary and exposes him as a charlatan with scant understanding of of ANC policies. Nobody is explaining how this consultation will take place. Frankly, if it was to be followed everything would grind to a halt. Only people with vested interests in corruption will support this strange way of thinking. Of course these days branches are populated , mostly, by clueless people
The ANC spent 30 years without branches and was delivered intact. It’s these rotten branches that are the cause of problems in the ANC.
A rrrrrrrrrrrra (repeating the same . DON'T YOU HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO.? The Money you won't get back . Forget it.
Nice political trick to lure supporters. Well done 👏
a bunch of thieves suspending another thief
@@travelsouthafrica5048 taking us for a ride
While comments on news broadcasts should mostly be in the form of criticism, I just want to say that this dude is one of the best news anchors in SA - judging by the coverage of the ANC crisis alone. He isn't political, but you can see from his emotions that he has political views. That makes him professional.
Let CR and NEC call for an early conference I want to see something or let's prove this support for CR.
If CR believe his doing good and if these analyst are being realistic why is he using tactics to take people out not doing it in a democratic way because that's the way of getting rid of a person in a peaceful way. If he feels his strong and have enough support since his doing good let it be in a conference because what is happening is not a ANC but a group of CR ruling and taking decisions for the ANC without consulting the ANC.
I'm sorry but you are being factional in your views. What CR is implementing are Conference resolutions. What makes you think he is implementing his own decisions? What will calling of an early Conference do according to you? Or you hope that early Conference will change the decision of the 54th Conference to root out corruption?
@@mandisifeni9381 it's because there are seven important resolutions that where taken which one is the land issue second reserve bank issue, at of all he only took this one into implementation so why not implementing all of them if his being fair ? Because those will benefit every black person in this country. The step aside won't change anyone life as black person only to keep him in power that's all. So why should we get excited as if the poor will benefited on this ?
@@mandisifeni9381 the early conference will determine the voice of many as we are an democracy country not a mine.
@@blessngs6252 A lot of people who seem to support nationalisation of strategic assets do so from ignorance. For their argument to carry weight, they need to be clued up about the economic situation in South Africa. Firstly, we have more than 700 entities under state control in different spheres of government- nationalised entities. Therefore, if they cared about nationalisation they would insist on government to employ competent and skilled individuals to run entities under government control. The so-called RET brigade are silent in this respect. To me they are not radical, but mistaken chest beating bravado to radicalism. Ominously, their argument for complete nationalisation of the reserve equates to printing paper money and its increased circulation. That would be disastrous because our economy has shrunk so much that the increased volume of money supply would be inflationary because we are producing correspondingly fewer goods and services. The consequences would be money that is just a worthless paper. Imagine buying a loaf of bread for two thousand rands. This is actually what is happening in some countries on the continent, e.g. Zimbabwe. During the OR Tambo era we were grounded on the fundamentals of Political Economy which clearly explains the structure of the economy and the forces that influence it. Shouting empty slogans would not do because ignorance cannot be the basis of promoting a particular perspective.
@@molekoaneranyaoa391 if I may ask I'm sure we are aware that they all went into jail right ? What good or perfection we were expecting ? The danger is how he is doing it can lead into cold war because these are people who are able to do anything. While we busy reasoning well. The economy you are talking about can go fast into zero. So if you gonna deal without thinking it can get worse very easy and take us another decades to rebuild it or never even come back. The black government was set up for failure. Why I'm saying so they gave us freedom with np economy or land. Hunger can control mind. Every man want to leave something for his family and generation's, so every who gets a chance to do so will. Pointing fingers to each other will only lead into a fight while this was a set up. We should have questioned ourselves first or have a commission that will check how much this country had before 1994 and what happened to those transactions. Second even now we are owing 10 percentage of land and 90 percentage to whites why ? This is a joke, how do we expect to do well as country if economy is given into one group. Sasol was sold why ? When and why ?. There is a lot that contribute to corruption and where people are hungry the crime rate it's also high meaning corruption won't be finished if you don't deal with poverty.