Wasn’t the Superfine rods made back in the 70’s until most recently when the Orvis SF Carbons & Touch rods were discontinued designed for the serious dry fly fishing application? They were the perfect rod for using delicate tippets that provided unmatched touch, feel and accuracy for all dry fly applications. Who convinced Orvis (who in my opinion is the premier fly fishing company in the world) that a fiberglass rod that is heavier, takes longer to rebound, has less feel, is less accurate especially if the wind picks up a little and has absolutely no backbone when trying to land a fish is a better alternative than the most recent Graphite SF rods or even the older ones made back in the 70’s? My biggest pet peeve is any company that takes a perfect product and says we are going to change it. The only advantage I see is that it cost Orvis less money to make an inferior substitute which makes it more profitable for Orvis. Someone within Orvis told me a month ago that the Recon rods were just like the old Superfine rods. That’s when I realized that they have quit listening to their customer. I pray they don’t go back and repeat history and loose contact with their customers. It took several decades for them to get them back.
I've been really disappointed with their Chinese manufactured accessories that don't last more than a couple of uses especially their multi-tool line clippers . At one time you could really rely on the Orvis name. Sadly they just seem interested in making a profit nowadays.
I really wish they would bring back the Orvis Superfine in Graphite! It’s so much more responsive not to mention it is so much lighter. I have 8 Orvis rods and my favorites are my 7’6” 3 wt. SF Touch, 8’0” 4wt. SF Carbon, 8’0” 4wt. SF Trout Bum, 7’9” 5wt. SF Far & Fine (1998), 6’6” 2wt. SF Carbon. Bought an Orvis Glass rod that I owned a few months and ended up giving it away. Recover time was too slow and weighed more than an ounce more than my heaviest 5 wt. (Winston Boron 3X and my Scott G2 5 wt’s. I find no advantage to fiberglass over graphite when fishing delicate dries, just disadvantages with poor dampening, poor rebound, difficulty in controlling the fish (no backbone in the butt section) after a catch and they just weigh too much! I love Orvis but I’m not sure who talked them into taking the perfect rod in the SF Carbon and Touch series and replacing it with fiberglass that has been proven to be inferior to carbon/graphite? Please bring back the Super Fine Graphites!
I own 3 of the Superfines in Graphite ...Two 2 weight 7'9'' rods and a 4 weight.. I love all of them ..Perfect rods when fishing for smaller and more educated fish that require a light and more subtle approach.. Very sad Orvis went to glass in this series..My vote would be to bring back the graphite Superfine series..
I have one of the older model sf 8’5wt rods I really like it great dry fly rod. It can be use as all round rod hitting 50’ is pretty easy on still water. it does limit you some times but I have always found a way to make it work in the end.
I know this is 2 years old, but I think a 3wt would be great unless you’re fishing the trophy section in Cherokee, NC. Many of the streams in SMNP are blue line streams with sub 10” brookies as the main target.
It’s the added weight of fiberglass and lack of control after a catch that I dislike about the new fiberglass rods. I don’t get it. What does the new glass rod do better than the Orvis Superfine Graphite rods? Just name one thing.
Fast fibre glass rod? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction? I noticed it is not a fibreglass price. 68 years of age and having lived through the evolution of fishing rods I recall that fibreglass was superseded by carbon and nothing since then has convinced me that that was a bad move. This lot sounds very much like the Emperor's new Clothes to me.
I think it is because they are useless. There is no reason at all to have a hook keeper. Take hook and hook it on the 1st or 2nd guide. Wrap line around reel and then reel in to tighten. Comes off very easy (just unwrap from around the reel and wiggle or tap and it pops off the guide and is ready to go, no struggle to get the fly line past the guided) . Of all the reasons I could think to not use a product, that is one of the weakest reasons. I think you should reconsider, they do make quality products. There are others that do as well, but they are certainly quality and in the top few companies.
they are stupid on fly rods i dont want half my leader in the rod guides i do what rudy said when walking between spots or having a break and when im done fishing i CAREFULLY wind my fly all the way in so the hook catches on the tip top so the leader stays straight and line doesnt tangle when i break my rod in half to take home
Even with a "fast glass" the feel is different than carbon. IMO a medium action carbon will get more distance than fast glass. But fast glass transmits the fight right to the grip better.
Wasn’t the Superfine rods made back in the 70’s until most recently when the Orvis SF Carbons & Touch rods were discontinued designed for the serious dry fly fishing application? They were the perfect rod for using delicate tippets that provided unmatched touch, feel and accuracy for all dry fly applications. Who convinced Orvis (who in my opinion is the premier fly fishing company in the world) that a fiberglass rod that is heavier, takes longer to rebound, has less feel, is less accurate especially if the wind picks up a little and has absolutely no backbone when trying to land a fish is a better alternative than the most recent Graphite SF rods or even the older ones made back in the 70’s? My biggest pet peeve is any company that takes a perfect product and says we are going to change it. The only advantage I see is that it cost Orvis less money to make an inferior substitute which makes it more profitable for Orvis. Someone within Orvis told me a month ago that the Recon rods were just like the old Superfine rods. That’s when I realized that they have quit listening to their customer. I pray they don’t go back and repeat history and loose contact with their customers. It took several decades for them to get them back.
I've been really disappointed with their Chinese manufactured accessories that don't last more than a couple of uses especially their multi-tool line clippers . At one time you could really rely on the Orvis name. Sadly they just seem interested in making a profit nowadays.
I really wish they would bring back the Orvis Superfine in Graphite! It’s so much more responsive not to mention it is so much lighter. I have 8 Orvis rods and my favorites are my 7’6” 3 wt. SF Touch, 8’0” 4wt. SF Carbon, 8’0” 4wt. SF Trout Bum, 7’9” 5wt. SF Far & Fine (1998), 6’6” 2wt. SF Carbon. Bought an Orvis Glass rod that I owned a few months and ended up giving it away. Recover time was too slow and weighed more than an ounce more than my heaviest 5 wt. (Winston Boron 3X and my Scott G2 5 wt’s. I find no advantage to fiberglass over graphite when fishing delicate dries, just disadvantages with poor dampening, poor rebound, difficulty in controlling the fish (no backbone in the butt section) after a catch and they just weigh too much! I love Orvis but I’m not sure who talked them into taking the perfect rod in the SF Carbon and Touch series and replacing it with fiberglass that has been proven to be inferior to carbon/graphite? Please bring back the Super Fine Graphites!
Got an opportunity to buy a SF 6'6" in 2 weight. What would be your opinion?
I own 3 of the Superfines in Graphite ...Two 2 weight 7'9'' rods and a 4 weight.. I love all of them ..Perfect rods when fishing for smaller and more educated fish that require a light and more subtle approach.. Very sad Orvis went to glass in this series..My vote would be to bring back the graphite Superfine series..
Glad I bought the originals.
I have one of the older model sf 8’5wt rods I really like it great dry fly rod. It can be use as all round rod hitting 50’ is pretty easy on still water. it does limit you some times but I have always found a way to make it work in the end.
Sounds like a great rod!
That "identity" section color and writing reminds me of my Orvis Golden Eagle rods
Sharp looking, for sure!
4wt or 5wt for use in NC/VA Appalachia and Smokies?
The 4wt for the smaller streams and dry flies, but go with the five if you're seeking greater versatility.
I know this is 2 years old, but I think a 3wt would be great unless you’re fishing the trophy section in Cherokee, NC. Many of the streams in SMNP are blue line streams with sub 10” brookies as the main target.
Can we please stop insisting on making every rod faster?? The old gen superfine was amazing and perfect for my small water applications
It is still on the slower side of things, just a bit quicker than the original.
It’s the added weight of fiberglass and lack of control after a catch that I dislike about the new fiberglass rods. I don’t get it. What does the new glass rod do better than the Orvis Superfine Graphite rods? Just name one thing.
Fast fibre glass rod? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction? I noticed it is not a fibreglass price. 68 years of age and having lived through the evolution of fishing rods I recall that fibreglass was superseded by carbon and nothing since then has convinced me that that was a bad move. This lot sounds very much like the Emperor's new Clothes to me.
*Faster than the original Superfine Glass... It is still going to be slower than any graphite rod out there.
30.00 Eagle Claw
The Real fiberglass rod, although I also own a moonshine fiberglass rod.
Definitely an upgrade over the Eagle Claw. That thing weighs about 40 pounds.
Stop selling
Orvis lost me as a long long time customer when they thought it was a brilliant idea to leave the hook keepers off their rods. A real brilliant idea!
I think it is because they are useless. There is no reason at all to have a hook keeper.
Take hook and hook it on the 1st or 2nd guide. Wrap line around reel and then reel in to tighten. Comes off very easy (just unwrap from around the reel and wiggle or tap and it pops off the guide and is ready to go, no struggle to get the fly line past the guided) . Of all the reasons I could think to not use a product, that is one of the weakest reasons. I think you should reconsider, they do make quality products. There are others that do as well, but they are certainly quality and in the top few companies.
Hook keeper is only relevant for streamer fishing with very short leaders
/and even then they are not needed
they are stupid on fly rods i dont want half my leader in the rod guides i do what rudy said when walking between spots or having a break and when im done fishing i CAREFULLY wind my fly all the way in so the hook catches on the tip top so the leader stays straight and line doesnt tangle when i break my rod in half to take home
I agree on the hook keeper! It’s handy for that quick relocation on the river. I’ve never had it interfere with my casting in over 55 years of FFing.
Not sure I like the faster glass rods. Don't see the point.
Yeah, the point to imitate graphite rods with fiberglass beats me?....
@@ibookje it’s not going to be truly fast like a graphite rod just a little faster than older e glass
@@theoutdoordad7395 That older glass was already on the fast side of fiberglass. I owned the 7ft #3
Even with a "fast glass" the feel is different than carbon. IMO a medium action carbon will get more distance than fast glass. But fast glass transmits the fight right to the grip better.