I think what kiara meant is other member cant commision the artist through cover and have to comm the artist directly, because Towa alredy commisioned kakage-sensei (Lui's papa) alot of works before and after Lui debuted.
Holo has been doing a lot of policy changes the last couple years (like Marine not being as horny and Pekora not as angry which both have mentioned on stream being told to tame it) and that could be one of them or it could be as you said and she misunderstood.
You know, I will not be surprised if Kiara just misunderstood something 😅 but since she's the talent working for cover, I'll believe her until proven wrong by another talent o herself
Maybe it's a new rule because Watame got anya's mom to illustrate one of her ori song's mv. And she got shigure ui to work on animating their collab yukopi cover. Maybe it's only for outfits
or maybe it is only for future artists like what about Subaru mama having another vtuber daughter from VSPO. I think it is just so that the different holo liver will have different look.
@@konaqua122 brother they meant on hololive not the whole vtuber world. imagine the outrage if they prevent other mamas from drawing other vtubers lmao
I think the rule only implies to new outfits. Since it will get confusing to have the same mama. I remember a few hololive members already commissioned stuffs from other member's mama, like merch or cover song illustrations. And Kiara clearly implying on commissioning toridamono-sensei for her new outfit.
I agree with the shorter debuts though. Previous ones used to have a lot of dead air and just padding their content to reach an hour. It's better to be concise than bore potential subs on your first impression.
@@Zengkoy I definitely thought Gigi struggled in hers to come up with enough content. Which explains why she trailed behind her genmates in sub count. It wasn't until EnReco that a lot more people got to see how entertaining she is.
It's so silly how crazy some of you get when you hear literally anything related to behind the scenes. What she said seems pretty straightforward and undramatic to me. A shame she couldn't get the artist she wanted, but it's clear from this clip that she's taken it in stride and isn't worked up about it. It's just a funny little anecdote about an amusing coincidence with a "ah darn, missed opportunity, but life goes on" conclusion. Some of you seriously need to chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill out.
Probably a newer rule cause other Holo members have had different artists who have designed other Holo characters do outfits and stuff for them before, kind of like how they aren't allowed to officially change their hair color anymore cause I'm pretty sure the only one who did that was Rushia when she got a pink haired model while still in Hololive. Just another corporate restriction I guess, sucks but that's just how it is
Wonder if they changed the rules for that at some point, cuz I seem to remember Shion and Marine releasing merch drawn by Rurudo even though Towa already debuted
Well looks like the blue Kusogaki has increased by one! xD That's sad... We were so close to the greatness. Imagine Kiwawa with Ryza-like outfits, can see the thighs clips already
i'm guessing when there were like 20-30 talents, it would have made sense to keep visual styles distinct, and there were still plenty of fish in the sea. but with 90+ that is too many artists taken out of selection for outfits imo
Waiting for the day kappe sensei becomes a hololive mom That will be insane She has done commissions for hololive before like the holowitches mv was directed by her So maybe, a man can only dream
I already felt like debuts weren't long enough to really get a decent sense of a talent, and now they're cut in half? Do they just say hello, sing a song, introduce their parents, and leave?
That's a strange rule for sure, it does feel like it's probably a new. I wonder it has to do with avoiding mamas getting busy with other members commisions so they can focus on the daughter talents. It sucks but if they made that I imagine is because they had problems with said situation.
I think it about commission contact with Hololive, you know many of projects with character that drawing by artist, they also got shared from cover cop. In long term. So if vtuber commission outfit from outside artist and in future they made products base on new outfit, vtuber mama not gonna got profit from that. (They need to talk with everyone in order to got permission)
It's actually a good thing and it's very beneficial to the artist. It gives the artist/vtuber-mama the rights to their designs, as well as mutual respect to fellow vtuber-mamas.
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke Not really at most they get re-commissioned for a new outfit what twice a year, if they are lucky, and OG model art updates what every 2/3 years. Also I'm pretty sure that once the model is done the artist/vtuber-mama has to give up full rights to the art upon completion as then they would have to be constantly be getting kick backs from using the art for merch. depending on how the contract is laid out of course.
All I know about Toridamono's works is that he drew a Racing Miku that looks alot better than the GT300 title winning ones despite Goodsmile not getting the W themselves If Chihaya turns out to be a sim racer I'm ALL FOR HER ALL HAIL RFACTOR AND ASSETTO CORSAAAAAAAA
While I understand the rule, since you want the artist distinct art style to be reserved for just one member (at least in terms of models/outfits), I can't help but be a bit disappointed. And, as we've seen a bit more often, artists, especially high profile ones, can be so busy that it is difficult hire them for more work, leading to long delays in talents getting updates.
That art rule is getting more and more difficult because Hololive already has soooo many different artists. I hope they'll weaken that rule soon to allow some collaborations like that. Then again, we can certainly say that Hyde will never become a Hololive Mama if it means any restrictions on working for Fubuki lol The only way they could ever get him if they debut the child of FubuMio.
Yeah, using the usual debut format to fill 30 minutes is not enough for them to showcase their creative flare and uniqueness in my opinion. Kinda samey and I hope it got back to the old 1 hour format.
@@LapisRoseCh If you're a mama for a vtuber, you want to be the one that making the outfits for them not the other. It's would make thing super awkward, got it?
@ I suppose, but talents can ask different artists to make their outfits right? It seemed like that’s what Kiara was saying? Not like they can only work on Hololive, they have other commissions
I think most people don't know that Kusogaki is just a sub species of Gaki, which itself means "starving oni" from Buddhist myths, outside the context it's used to call a naughty child. Kusogaki is just for specially rude and unruly children, we don't know if Su will be that. And also Noel thinks Vivi is a Mesugaki, a sexual and provocative type of Gaki, basically a yabai Gaki, and she hopes Vivi would be that because she likes it lol
I mean she kinda has a point with the debut length with recent holos. I miss when they used to do 1 hour long debut for each talent. Sure there are a lot of dead air, understandably so since they're getting their bearings, but cutting the duration by half is a bit overkill.
I vastly prefer the shorter ones the dead air moments in the longer ones really got annoying when talents would literally run out of things for the debut and would be like "okay I did the scripted stuff what now I'm not allowed to do to much on debut so uh zatsu?"
i dont know what kiara is talking about when rurudo (towasama's cnnuy mama) already did commissions from other holomems (and probably other artists that i dont remember)
yeah I love Kiara but she has a habit of speaking vaguely about rules/internal stuff and kind of just leaving the listener to fill in the blanks which never works out well.
Where those commissions for a new outfit? Because it seems like Kiara is saying she can’t commission that artist for a new outfit which is what Kiara wanted to plan at some point. Don’t think she’s talking about all artwork in general
@@TheGreatMaounot really most things she said are only vague to the clip watchers in this case she was clearly talking about no commissioning for live2d outfits which is a rule it should not be that hard for anyone to understand if they know the context and use their brains a little
I'm surprised how open Kiara is to talk about these issues, not that it's of major importance but it's still part of the internal rules of how things work behind the scenes
Not gonna lie she has a bad habbit of not actually thinking about certain things in context or outright refusing to see how things work broadly/long term so take what she says with a massive grain of salt
@@brandonhowell5096 what are you talking about? you are one of those people that did not understand what she said correctly and run with it like a fact please name me two specific examples one for each of what you said
@@moriyamananaki8888 If an artist is responsible for the creation of a coworker design you cant officialy request any design from said artist, look at me STRAIGHT in the eye and tell me thats normal
@@DuffBeerJ If you watch Kiara long enough, you know she sometimes saying thing with a lot of missing context. First of all, it's a logical thing to NOT ask for other mama for their outfits design, to avoid mismatch with their own mama design and overlap with other. Second is that other members allow to commission with other mama for their MV and stuff before so it's not impossible. I don't know if Kiara misunderstood the rule or what but she just need to ask, this place is not Niji. Last, use your brain and think why they're making this rule in the first place and for what like the rest of us, don't just rush and saying it's dumb when you're not even in that meeting when the rules first make.
@@moriyamananaki8888 Given that you werent in the meeting either you are assuming in the companys favor for no real reason, also dont bring up Niji out of nowhere, makes us seem like overprotective Holo fans
@@DuffBeerJ Niji suck so it's not a weird to say it? Or your just a Nijisister in disguise here just to throw hate? And I never say that i'm in that meeting. I said use your BRAIN to figure it out like the rest of us and not just empty head typing like you.
While I'm a nobody, I think Kiara misunderstood the policy. Like, when I was commenting to clips that no, you can't show your skin in camera streams and then Kiara said that you can and people pointed that clip to me and I said she's just wrong and people were like who the fuck are you? A nobody, go eat shit. and then she got bonked by management and I was see? and they still called me an anti. It's the same here! When Hololive commissions a vtuber they make a temporary and exclusive deal with that artist. BUT. Hololive gives their talent a set number of garments for special milestone. The 100k subscribers new year garment, the 500k 3D debut, the 1M garment. Those are Hololive-artists deals. You as a talent can make talent-artists deals, but you have to pay yourself. It's the same for songs. They can give you songs for free if you reach certain milestones or you can produce them yourself. This is my take on this. Of course, I don't work for Hololive nor I have any inside knowledge but I have been following them since Mel's debut and I recognise patterns 😂😂
yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if she just misunderstood certain context behind the rule. It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened, although I will say I think some KFP need to chill with stuff like this because the moment anyone suggests Kiara might me wrong about something like this they go feral.
she didn't get bonked, though. she got the ok for those streams from management. then cover changed/clarified the skin rule soon after, so now they're not allowed. and as far as I know, nowadays talents get one outfit a year, with some exceptions
She did not get bonked by management. The stream was approved by her manager, obviously. The VOD had a small cut due to a reflective surface, which is something that can happen in any camera stream (yet camera streams are still allowed). The rules on showing skin were always wishy-wash and applied on a case-by-case basis. Gloves were the default go-to, but even the talents themselves didn't seem 100% sure. Skin had been shown multiple times before the nail painting stream (remember Nene? Laplus?). Later, management finally made up their minds and put a consistent rule in place for everyone. Nobody got in trouble, because nobody broke any rules in place at the time of the stream. And the milestones don't align with outfits quite that simply. • 500k for 3D was a gimmick specific to Regloss, as a promotional push. They were going to get 3D for their anniversary regardless. Kanade hit 500k after 3D, after all. • 1M outfits are the 1M "wish", which can be whatever the talent wants/management approves. Outfits are just a common choice for talents to make. • 100k for New Years? Haven't heard of that (was it was a thing years ago?) but considering they pass 100k on debut day, the New Years outfit is just for New Years, subs aren't a relevant requirement. If you're getting pushback over your comments, it may be due to getting some basic facts incorrect like claiming talents got into trouble when they didn't.
You don't follow them that much clearly Before the no skin rule, multiple talents showed skin. Calli did a slime ASMR, Nenechi wrote messages to chat on her arm, etc. She never got bonked by management, the nail painting collab with IRyS and Calli was done before that rule was in place. And none of the outfits are milestone related - 100K subscribers doesn't give anything, considering every new member gets it on debut day (or before) - New Years is the only outfit one - 3D debut used to be 100K subs back in the day. ReGLOSS 2.5 mil was a fun goal thing to increase their reach, they literally announced 3D for them in like July - Every 1 million subs isn't an outfit, it's any wish from a talent that the company can do in their power. New L2D/3D outfit, 3D live, outside company collabs (Aqua's VN, Okayu's Ikinari Steak, etc)
The attention span of the younger viewers aren't like what it used to be. Most of Hololive fans are likely in their 30s and 40s and those in their 20s of today can't even read a book without ear pods blasting and their iPad blaring at the same time...
@@aerthreepwood8021 There are only one generation of boomer and they are in their 70s to 80s today. Just google why they are called boomers... A fine example of acquired ADHD. Can't even read a bit of something.
"Boomers", as the ignorant children erroneously call them, didn't literally have their brain development screwed over by constant instant gratification by smartphones and 24/7 social media access during their growth years. Nowadays even freaking universities are struggling with rampant attention deficiency among their students, and it's only getting worse as even toddlers get smartphones glued to their hands by careless parents.
@@moriyamananaki8888 also that can make market broken. let say you debut with mama A but your fav is mama B who also mama of your coworker. so you just commission to mama B not you mama who make your avatar. this will make really akward in my opinion. so this rules are fair for me.
Braindead clip watchers getting their panties twisted over nothing This isn't q corporate vtuber thing, it's just a Cover specific policy. Who knows how other corpos do things.
@@mindflair3732 Pretty much, like ever since Wada Arco made Kronii, I always wondered why a lot of indies doesn't just hire famous artist? you would think there would be more vtubers would start to hire her as an illustrator since she is now officially known as a vtuber artist
What kind of dumb corpo rule is that?! Oh yeah that artist we trusted to draw one of our super expensive and important talents? They are NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE! Hololive: Hey foot, this is gun, say hi
This has nothing to do with 'trust", what a bizarre interpretation. A rational read is that this is about making sure an artist isn't double-booked, and/or it's about maintaining the uniqueness of each member's design aesthetic. Members do sometimes change artists if their original artist becomes unavailable at a later date. For example, Huke hasn't been available to work on Kiara for like the past two years, so she's been choosing different artists for the last few outfits. All she's saying is that she can't ask an artist who is already another member's designer, presumably for the reasons I mentioned above. This genuinely isn't a big deal, youtube commenters just blow every bit of behind the scenes talk completely out of proportion with pointless speculation.
Huh, interesting to hear that this is a confirmed thing within the company. I can understand this is a way to prevent too much being put onto artists’ plate, but seen in a different way, it feels like this closes doors on a lot of potential opportunities, especially more so if the talents are fans of that artist.
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The blue little girl in Holo is usually kusogaki, but will Toridamono be like that too?
checked the new MV they made
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yeah, she's kusogaki for sure
What do you mean toridamono would be like that too, toridamono isn't the talent lol
Very Jellycore
Kobo and Gura have added new members to their HoloBlue Kusogaki
0:23 "and they're both like on the cool side" confirming the tiger girl is the new Ao-kun.
I think what kiara meant is other member cant commision the artist through cover and have to comm the artist directly, because Towa alredy commisioned kakage-sensei (Lui's papa) alot of works before and after Lui debuted.
Holo has been doing a lot of policy changes the last couple years (like Marine not being as horny and Pekora not as angry which both have mentioned on stream being told to tame it) and that could be one of them or it could be as you said and she misunderstood.
You know, I will not be surprised if Kiara just misunderstood something 😅 but since she's the talent working for cover, I'll believe her until proven wrong by another talent o herself
she's talking about outfit probably, i bet you can still comm for illustration or cg but not vtuber outfit
@@lucatielofmirrah-1853 Yeah, I say that's a pretty obvious rule honestly.
@@LilBobbyBrickHandsit's always such a shame to see companies you like slowly decline
When a lion and a tiger are on the same mountain, expect a cat fight.
big cat means big troubleeee RAAAAAAAAAWWWR
Maybe it's a new rule because Watame got anya's mom to illustrate one of her ori song's mv. And she got shigure ui to work on animating their collab yukopi cover.
Maybe it's only for outfits
or maybe it is only for future artists like what about Subaru mama having another vtuber daughter from VSPO. I think it is just so that the different holo liver will have different look.
@@konaqua122 i think Kiara only meant internally but who knows
@@konaqua122 brother they meant on hololive not the whole vtuber world. imagine the outrage if they prevent other mamas from drawing other vtubers lmao
@@iantunewuh? Both Anya and Watame are in Hololive
@@konaqua122 hololive artists are not on a weird exclusivity deal. A lot of them parented several vtubers
I think the rule only implies to new outfits. Since it will get confusing to have the same mama.
I remember a few hololive members already commissioned stuffs from other member's mama, like merch or cover song illustrations.
And Kiara clearly implying on commissioning toridamono-sensei for her new outfit.
Oh That ryza artist.. thighs goes brrr..
huh. Who'd have thought Ryza's artist would end up being in Hololive?
I saw the thighs in her artwork and I was like "I'm sold!"
@@Bakuganluver23 I think one of the artists for the Fate series worked on Kronii's model, so it's not entirely too surprising
chihaya and ryza has the same type of body lol
0:33 classic fukin wawa lmao
So you're telling me we almost got a certified thighwawa outfit?!
I agree with the shorter debuts though. Previous ones used to have a lot of dead air and just padding their content to reach an hour. It's better to be concise than bore potential subs on your first impression.
yup. especially when they are so nervous and tired from the pre debut stress
but it also means no more react-ception where they cringe at their own dead air D;
Agreed. Tho there may be exceptions. Liz's debut was one of the best debuts I've seen in a while and it felt short to me
@@Zengkoy I definitely thought Gigi struggled in hers to come up with enough content. Which explains why she trailed behind her genmates in sub count. It wasn't until EnReco that a lot more people got to see how entertaining she is.
Agree. The 1 hour debut should be optional, the minimum is half hour
It's so silly how crazy some of you get when you hear literally anything related to behind the scenes. What she said seems pretty straightforward and undramatic to me. A shame she couldn't get the artist she wanted, but it's clear from this clip that she's taken it in stride and isn't worked up about it. It's just a funny little anecdote about an amusing coincidence with a "ah darn, missed opportunity, but life goes on" conclusion.
Some of you seriously need to chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill out.
Sorry but this is the internet only extreme takes are allow here./jk
0:34 LOL
Why -Kiwako- Niko looks like Botan and Raden if they both had a child 😭🤣🤣
And the gray hair girl that Kiara said has synergy with Zeta looks like a Chloe knock-off... 😅
I'm really hoping that Mizumiya Su will be as Kiara said, a complete Kusogaki. She has a really cute design.
Her voice is really cutesy (the debut MV just got released so we can hear their singing voice)
Su’s voice reminds me of Rushia.
Things are getting more compact as time goes on. We're speedrunning debuts now.
didnt know a new gen are coming already, holy shit
Koganei Niko looks like a Windbreaker character with that drip
Probably a newer rule cause other Holo members have had different artists who have designed other Holo characters do outfits and stuff for them before, kind of like how they aren't allowed to officially change their hair color anymore cause I'm pretty sure the only one who did that was Rushia when she got a pink haired model while still in Hololive. Just another corporate restriction I guess, sucks but that's just how it is
Ryze artist makes a Hololive model? That's awesome.
If Su is also kusogski, then we gonna have a complete set of blue kusogaki from all the branch EN, ID, and now JP
Kikirara already sounds like a collab between Kiara and Kiara lol
I can't wait Botan + Kaela + Koganei Niko collab stream
Ahh, some ppl do say Niko got some Taiga Saejima vibes XD
Kikirara = kirakira
Wonder if they changed the rules for that at some point, cuz I seem to remember Shion and Marine releasing merch drawn by Rurudo even though Towa already debuted
Well looks like the blue Kusogaki has increased by one! xD
That's sad... We were so close to the greatness. Imagine Kiwawa with Ryza-like outfits, can see the thighs clips already
i'm guessing when there were like 20-30 talents, it would have made sense to keep visual styles distinct, and there were still plenty of fish in the sea. but with 90+ that is too many artists taken out of selection for outfits imo
Bluesogaki!
0:48 ОПГ "Голубые Гномы"
Каневский: «Стримил, впрочем, только один»
Kiara: 'NOOOOO IT SHOUDLVE BEEN ME' (yugi oh meme)
Something about Niko just makes me think Kronii. The eyes and expression, I think.
been wondering why the debut became shorter and shorter. ngl I kind of like a longer debut at least an hour
Koganei Niko is Female version of Tezcatlipoca
So... Does that mean that there are as many Holo talents as artists commissioned by Cover?
So thats the reason for the t h i c c n e s s 😭
Down with the thickness???
rindo chihaya design is THICK
Waiting for the day kappe sensei becomes a hololive mom
That will be insane
She has done commissions for hololive before like the holowitches mv was directed by her
So maybe, a man can only dream
Raden and the cooler Raden xD
I already felt like debuts weren't long enough to really get a decent sense of a talent, and now they're cut in half? Do they just say hello, sing a song, introduce their parents, and leave?
That blue probably will become a new holobaby. 😂
She did gives miko vibes
I think it's better, so the talent can deepen their relationship with their mama. But then again, it's a little bit to strict isn't it?
Okay, but Mika Pikazo illustrated for Baelz but just recently released cover art for Suisei.
*Flow Glow*
Me: We are Fighting! Nananana
Fighting dreamers nanananana
Fighting dreamers nanananana
Ohhhhhh just go my way 🎶🎶
😂
That's a strange rule for sure, it does feel like it's probably a new. I wonder it has to do with avoiding mamas getting busy with other members commisions so they can focus on the daughter talents.
It sucks but if they made that I imagine is because they had problems with said situation.
I think it about commission contact with Hololive, you know many of projects with character that drawing by artist, they also got shared from cover cop. In long term.
So if vtuber commission outfit from outside artist and in future they made products base on new outfit, vtuber mama not gonna got profit from that. (They need to talk with everyone in order to got permission)
It's actually a good thing and it's very beneficial to the artist. It gives the artist/vtuber-mama the rights to their designs, as well as mutual respect to fellow vtuber-mamas.
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke Not really at most they get re-commissioned for a new outfit what twice a year, if they are lucky, and OG model art updates what every 2/3 years. Also I'm pretty sure that once the model is done the artist/vtuber-mama has to give up full rights to the art upon completion as then they would have to be constantly be getting kick backs from using the art for merch. depending on how the contract is laid out of course.
I do kinda miss the hour or at least close to it debuts, 30 mins are just too short.
That tiger somehow will be another pet with Kaela...
Is it only me see the Riona (grey haired girl) as Chloe's long lost sister?
I don't know if the world is ready for Kanade senpai.
it's kiarover...
AraAra ship name is wild or the Kikiki XD
All I know about Toridamono's works is that he drew a Racing Miku that looks alot better than the GT300 title winning ones despite Goodsmile not getting the W themselves
If Chihaya turns out to be a sim racer I'm ALL FOR HER
ALL HAIL RFACTOR AND ASSETTO CORSAAAAAAAA
“Kikiki” would be funny if you said it like Kiara’s intro.
Let's be real here. Debuts tell you very little. Get those streams going and farm clips asap, that'll tell everybody exactly who you are.
She missed out on the one artist that specializes in thick assets, that's tragic
Kiara is my GOAT for this
While I understand the rule, since you want the artist distinct art style to be reserved for just one member (at least in terms of models/outfits), I can't help but be a bit disappointed. And, as we've seen a bit more often, artists, especially high profile ones, can be so busy that it is difficult hire them for more work, leading to long delays in talents getting updates.
We all know why Kiara wants to commission the Ryza artist. (she wants to be hella bouncy)
That art rule is getting more and more difficult because Hololive already has soooo many different artists. I hope they'll weaken that rule soon to allow some collaborations like that.
Then again, we can certainly say that Hyde will never become a Hololive Mama if it means any restrictions on working for Fubuki lol
The only way they could ever get him if they debut the child of FubuMio.
Cover was just fined for overworking their commissioned artist.
@@kazedcat Thats not what the fine was about. It was about them asking for changes to the original commission and not paying for those changes.
Yeah, using the usual debut format to fill 30 minutes is not enough for them to showcase their creative flare and uniqueness in my opinion.
Kinda samey and I hope it got back to the old 1 hour format.
Despite the cool body style, Botan unexpectedly has a cute face instead of a cool one xD
I agree with Kiara shorter debut means shorter time for their future self cringed out by their debut
I think it was not unusual to have a shorter debut in the very earliest days circa 2018 though.
I wonder why that restriction exists.
@@LapisRoseCh If you're a mama for a vtuber, you want to be the one that making the outfits for them not the other. It's would make thing super awkward, got it?
@ I suppose, but talents can ask different artists to make their outfits right? It seemed like that’s what Kiara was saying?
Not like they can only work on Hololive, they have other commissions
@@LapisRoseCh I mean for outfits only, to avoid mismatch with thier own mama design if other making the outfits instead
@ I see I see
I think it is good practice for royalty issues. And also workload, + more artists can get a job.
so one artist can only “served” one holomem ?
Hahaha
I've learned that if there's one thing i can rely on Kiara with, it's giving me wrong or outdated information
I think most people don't know that Kusogaki is just a sub species of Gaki, which itself means "starving oni" from Buddhist myths, outside the context it's used to call a naughty child.
Kusogaki is just for specially rude and unruly children, we don't know if Su will be that. And also Noel thinks Vivi is a Mesugaki, a sexual and provocative type of Gaki, basically a yabai Gaki, and she hopes Vivi would be that because she likes it lol
Why it's not possible? I don't understand this rule at all. Seems kinda dumb to me.
Context? Not MORE girls??
Oh that's why Pochi mama never draw another Holomember ... 👀
I mean she kinda has a point with the debut length with recent holos. I miss when they used to do 1 hour long debut for each talent. Sure there are a lot of dead air, understandably so since they're getting their bearings, but cutting the duration by half is a bit overkill.
I vastly prefer the shorter ones the dead air moments in the longer ones really got annoying when talents would literally run out of things for the debut and would be like "okay I did the scripted stuff what now I'm not allowed to do to much on debut so uh zatsu?"
i dont know what kiara is talking about when rurudo (towasama's cnnuy mama) already did commissions from other holomems (and probably other artists that i dont remember)
yeah I love Kiara but she has a habit of speaking vaguely about rules/internal stuff and kind of just leaving the listener to fill in the blanks which never works out well.
Where those commissions for a new outfit? Because it seems like Kiara is saying she can’t commission that artist for a new outfit which is what Kiara wanted to plan at some point. Don’t think she’s talking about all artwork in general
@@TheGreatMaounot really
most things she said are only vague to the clip watchers
in this case she was clearly talking about no commissioning for live2d outfits which is a rule
it should not be that hard for anyone to understand if they know the context and use their brains a little
0:29 I think she looks more like Chloe than Zeta…
Far like Zeta, Close like Chloe Yeay
Yeah but that's not just synergy hahah, they have the same colour scheme.
Never remove Gura singing your outro please.😊
I'm surprised how open Kiara is to talk about these issues, not that it's of major importance but it's still part of the internal rules of how things work behind the scenes
She’s always been the one to spill the tea on the inner workings of the company. She does it frequently.
Not gonna lie she has a bad habbit of not actually thinking about certain things in context or outright refusing to see how things work broadly/long term so take what she says with a massive grain of salt
@@brandonhowell5096 what are you talking about? you are one of those people that did not understand what she said correctly and run with it like a fact
please name me two specific examples
one for each of what you said
That rule is extremely dumb
@@DuffBeerJ Explain in details why is it dumb?
@@moriyamananaki8888 If an artist is responsible for the creation of a coworker design you cant officialy request any design from said artist, look at me STRAIGHT in the eye and tell me thats normal
@@DuffBeerJ If you watch Kiara long enough, you know she sometimes saying thing with a lot of missing context. First of all, it's a logical thing to NOT ask for other mama for their outfits design, to avoid mismatch with their own mama design and overlap with other. Second is that other members allow to commission with other mama for their MV and stuff before so it's not impossible. I don't know if Kiara misunderstood the rule or what but she just need to ask, this place is not Niji. Last, use your brain and think why they're making this rule in the first place and for what like the rest of us, don't just rush and saying it's dumb when you're not even in that meeting when the rules first make.
@@moriyamananaki8888 Given that you werent in the meeting either you are assuming in the companys favor for no real reason, also dont bring up Niji out of nowhere, makes us seem like overprotective Holo fans
@@DuffBeerJ Niji suck so it's not a weird to say it? Or your just a Nijisister in disguise here just to throw hate? And I never say that i'm in that meeting. I said use your BRAIN to figure it out like the rest of us and not just empty head typing like you.
This is sad
So she got NTR lmao
Wait... what? Either I am misunderstanding something or that sounds really really dumb.
While I'm a nobody, I think Kiara misunderstood the policy. Like, when I was commenting to clips that no, you can't show your skin in camera streams and then Kiara said that you can and people pointed that clip to me and I said she's just wrong and people were like who the fuck are you? A nobody, go eat shit. and then she got bonked by management and I was see? and they still called me an anti.
It's the same here!
When Hololive commissions a vtuber they make a temporary and exclusive deal with that artist. BUT.
Hololive gives their talent a set number of garments for special milestone. The 100k subscribers new year garment, the 500k 3D debut, the 1M garment.
Those are Hololive-artists deals.
You as a talent can make talent-artists deals, but you have to pay yourself.
It's the same for songs. They can give you songs for free if you reach certain milestones or you can produce them yourself.
This is my take on this.
Of course, I don't work for Hololive nor I have any inside knowledge but I have been following them since Mel's debut and I recognise patterns 😂😂
yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if she just misunderstood certain context behind the rule. It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened, although I will say I think some KFP need to chill with stuff like this because the moment anyone suggests Kiara might me wrong about something like this they go feral.
she didn't get bonked, though. she got the ok for those streams from management. then cover changed/clarified the skin rule soon after, so now they're not allowed. and as far as I know, nowadays talents get one outfit a year, with some exceptions
She did not get bonked by management. The stream was approved by her manager, obviously. The VOD had a small cut due to a reflective surface, which is something that can happen in any camera stream (yet camera streams are still allowed).
The rules on showing skin were always wishy-wash and applied on a case-by-case basis. Gloves were the default go-to, but even the talents themselves didn't seem 100% sure. Skin had been shown multiple times before the nail painting stream (remember Nene? Laplus?). Later, management finally made up their minds and put a consistent rule in place for everyone. Nobody got in trouble, because nobody broke any rules in place at the time of the stream.
And the milestones don't align with outfits quite that simply.
• 500k for 3D was a gimmick specific to Regloss, as a promotional push. They were going to get 3D for their anniversary regardless. Kanade hit 500k after 3D, after all.
• 1M outfits are the 1M "wish", which can be whatever the talent wants/management approves. Outfits are just a common choice for talents to make.
• 100k for New Years? Haven't heard of that (was it was a thing years ago?) but considering they pass 100k on debut day, the New Years outfit is just for New Years, subs aren't a relevant requirement.
If you're getting pushback over your comments, it may be due to getting some basic facts incorrect like claiming talents got into trouble when they didn't.
You don't follow them that much clearly
Before the no skin rule, multiple talents showed skin. Calli did a slime ASMR, Nenechi wrote messages to chat on her arm, etc.
She never got bonked by management, the nail painting collab with IRyS and Calli was done before that rule was in place.
And none of the outfits are milestone related
- 100K subscribers doesn't give anything, considering every new member gets it on debut day (or before)
- New Years is the only outfit one
- 3D debut used to be 100K subs back in the day. ReGLOSS 2.5 mil was a fun goal thing to increase their reach, they literally announced 3D for them in like July
- Every 1 million subs isn't an outfit, it's any wish from a talent that the company can do in their power. New L2D/3D outfit, 3D live, outside company collabs (Aqua's VN, Okayu's Ikinari Steak, etc)
Some of those faces just do not look right. Especially the chins.
Honestly it's time for Myth to end this charade and reform into the next level super group.
The attention span of the younger viewers aren't like what it used to be. Most of Hololive fans are likely in their 30s and 40s and those in their 20s of today can't even read a book without ear pods blasting and their iPad blaring at the same time...
I like how you think people in their 30s and 40s aren't the exact same way. Hell, Boomers are essentially iPad Kids, at this point.
@@aerthreepwood8021 shh, let the old guy feel special
The debuts are kept short to reduce the pressure on the talents and to be able to debut more people on a primetime windown
@@aerthreepwood8021 There are only one generation of boomer and they are in their 70s to 80s today. Just google why they are called boomers...
A fine example of acquired ADHD. Can't even read a bit of something.
"Boomers", as the ignorant children erroneously call them, didn't literally have their brain development screwed over by constant instant gratification by smartphones and 24/7 social media access during their growth years. Nowadays even freaking universities are struggling with rampant attention deficiency among their students, and it's only getting worse as even toddlers get smartphones glued to their hands by careless parents.
Sometimes being a corporate vtuber sucks a... 🙈
In fairness I'm sure the Ryza artist is busy enough that an indie probably couldn't comission her to do their model either
I don't see how this rule suck? It's logical that you can't have other mama to do your outfits, it would mismatch with their own mama design
@@moriyamananaki8888 also that can make market broken. let say you debut with mama A but your fav is mama B who also mama of your coworker. so you just commission to mama B not you mama who make your avatar. this will make really akward in my opinion. so this rules are fair for me.
Braindead clip watchers getting their panties twisted over nothing
This isn't q corporate vtuber thing, it's just a Cover specific policy. Who knows how other corpos do things.
@@mindflair3732 Pretty much, like ever since Wada Arco made Kronii, I always wondered why a lot of indies doesn't just hire famous artist? you would think there would be more vtubers would start to hire her as an illustrator since she is now officially known as a vtuber artist
Hope these artists got paid this time.
they get paid! but not for endless overtime and revision 😂
What kind of dumb corpo rule is that?! Oh yeah that artist we trusted to draw one of our super expensive and important talents? They are NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE!
Hololive: Hey foot, this is gun, say hi
Kiara feeding dumb people like you whats new though?
This has nothing to do with 'trust", what a bizarre interpretation.
A rational read is that this is about making sure an artist isn't double-booked, and/or it's about maintaining the uniqueness of each member's design aesthetic.
Members do sometimes change artists if their original artist becomes unavailable at a later date. For example, Huke hasn't been available to work on Kiara for like the past two years, so she's been choosing different artists for the last few outfits. All she's saying is that she can't ask an artist who is already another member's designer, presumably for the reasons I mentioned above.
This genuinely isn't a big deal, youtube commenters just blow every bit of behind the scenes talk completely out of proportion with pointless speculation.
so they use stock design to save budget now? no wonder it looks like a mix match... sad
How did you completely misunderstand the clip that badly? Your comment makes zero sense in the context of what was actually said.
Huh, interesting to hear that this is a confirmed thing within the company. I can understand this is a way to prevent too much being put onto artists’ plate, but seen in a different way, it feels like this closes doors on a lot of potential opportunities, especially more so if the talents are fans of that artist.