2 years ago, I was attacked on my TH-cam channel for saying “SSL should put audio interface on their consoles”. Now, they have audio interfaces. You’re welcome gear heads.
Very happy with the design and price point of this unit. Forget everyone saying what they wish SSL did or didn’t do with it. They succeeded with flying colors. This is so great!
@@drummindave50 SSL explains themselves about the 'feel' of music. I notice the difference mostly with vocals. Technically I guess the difference is due to aliasing at the nyquist frequency.
@@gavin4848 ya but aliasing occurs only when you are using digital saturation/distortion plugins. Any saturation with this interface/mixer would be happening in the analog domain so no aliasing.
Nice mix! Sounds great. I’m so glad you did the comparison to the raw input vs the mix at the end. I just got a big six and I’m so excited to record with it, but I’m also happy you showed the outboard gear you’re using and how you’re going about that because you made it seem far less complex than it seems. Anyway. Thanks for this video. 👊
I wish SSL would bring a “Big Twelve”, like a dual Big Six, but with an UF8 and UC1 integrated like a baby-Matrix, with additional I/O, including some ADAT and SPDIF, and of course 8 Pre channels and 8 stereo channels for a total of 24 analog I/O + 16 digital I/O. Even if the end price would be similar to 2x Big Six + UF8 + UC1, it would still be worth for people that don’t want to buy an Origin, Matrix or even a XL Desk.
@@Spidouz How would that work? You can only have one AI as the input or output at any given time as the set up in Logic. I could see chaining two Big SiX's together on the analog side (2 bus out from one to a pair of the line levels on the other) for additional I/O, but not sure how you'd do that on the digital side in Logic as one AI. Do they chain together via USB C hub pre DAW and then only recognized as one? I ask because there's not 2 USB C ports on the SiX that I can see. Be interesting to hear the exact setup or see a vid on it.
@@Spidouz OK...now I see. You'd create an aggregate interface on the MIDI side combing the two pre DAW. The two would be seen as one aggregate device in Logic. Never had to do it coming from the Apollo world as my AI, so wasn't aware it could be done that way. Very cool and two SiX's would be a killer set up at under 6k
Thanks for doing this and showing the capabilities of this mixer. Maybe they will release a bigger version at a lovely price in the near future. Or even one with the same form factor, a little longer with the 4 band eq
Setup Guide I decided to set up a separate mixing/mastering station in my studio using SSL equipment. I purchased a UC1, UF8, Fusion, Bus+ and Big Six. I have been using Reaper for about ten years but am not a power user. I have relied a lot on Kenny Gioia's video tutorials. My goal was to get all of the SSL pieces working together with Reaper. Unfortunately SSL does not fully support Reaper in setting up the UC1 and UF8. So I had to wade in (over my head) into getting Reaper and the SSL equipment, the Big Six, UC1 and UF8 configured so that they would function together. SSL's technical support was responsive but they did not have knowledge of Reaper. I could not find any TH-cam videos or other information on how to configure all the this equipment together. So I decided I would offer a few comments on what eventually worked for me. The SSL User Manuals are very good in explaining the functions of the equipment. The Fusion and Bus+ provide no particular connection or configuration issues. They are easy to set up and operate. The SSL User manuals and TH-cam videos for the Big Six, UC1 and UF8 explain how to physically connect each piece to a computer (in my case a Windows 11 pc). They also do a good job of explaining how to download the software - 360 plug in mixer, Channel Strip 2, Channel Strip 4k b and Bus Compressor 2. The only difficulties I encountered in this were due to my total inexperience with using iLok software manager. But the process worked fine. So I suggest that one follow the SSL videos and User Guides. Just one comment. The Channel Strip 2, Channel Strip 4k b and Compressor 2 are VST's and it is best to allow the SSL downloader to put these in the default folder - which is the Steinberg VST Plugins folder. Pay attention to Reaper's warning that VST plugins should not be placed in the Reaper plugin/FX folder along with the standard Reaper plugins. With regard to the USB connections, I offer the following advice. Use either the USB cables that SSL provides or very high quality cables. Do no use any USB cables longer than 1 ½ meters. Do not use a hub for any connection. Connect the UC1 USB cable from the UC1 to the UF8 “thru” USB input (which is a USB type A input). Run a USB cable from the UF8 USB output (which is a USB type C connector) to your computer. Connect the Big Six USB output to a separate USB connection on your computer. After all the SSL software is installed, go to Options > Preferences > Audio > Midi Devices. A table will pop up. There will be a table listing twelve SSL V MIDI Ports for Input and under that there is a table listing twelve SSL V MIDI Ports for Output. Under the Mode column of each table, enable all twelve ports. Do this by right clicking each port under Mode column. A window will pop up. Click enable. Do this for all input and outputs. Twelve MIDI Inputs and twelve MIDI Outputs are therefore enabled. I do not know if it is necessary to enable all twelve outputs and inputs but that is what I did and it works for me. Right click again on the SSL V-MIDI Port 1 line in the input table. The small window will again pop up. Click on “Enable input for control messages.” You do not have to do this (and cannot do it) for the SSL V-MIDI Port 1 line in the output table. Go to Preferences > Options > Control/OSC/web. Under the blank window, click Add. Another blank window will pop up. There will be a line titled “Control surface mode.” Click on the small down arrow to open up another window with a list of options. Select Mackie Control Universal. (If you are using more than one UF8, I think you also need to select Mackie Control Extender, but since I only have one UF8 I do not know for sure). Click OK at the bottom of the window. I suggest at this point that you restart your computer. Then turn off everything - the computer, the Big Six, UF8, UC1, Bus+ and Fusion. Then I do the following: The order is important. Turn on the UF8 and UC1. Turn on your computer. Start Reaper. Open the SSL 360. Check that the Options setting described above are sill there. Open a new track and ensure that you can find and open the Bus Compressor 2, Channel Strip 2 and Channel Strip 4k b. Turn on the Big Six. Ensure that the USB connection light in the upper right of the Big Six is on. (If you turn on the Big Six before turning on Reaper, the UC8 will not be happy and will pout. It will essentially refuse to talk with you or do anything at all except sit there with a blank stare on its face). In the SSL 360 software, choose Logic Pro for Layer 1. There is no option to choose Reaper. Reaper is not fully supported in this manner - er, not supported at all. (I have seen that someone chose to use Studio One instead of Logic Pro, and this might work. However, SSL technical support recommends using Logic Pro. Most of the soft keys in SSL 360 are already programmed with commands that correspond to Logic Pro commands. Some of these work with Reaper and some do not. I chose to reprogram all of the SSL 360 soft keys. It is very easy to do. Moreover, I did not really like most of the commands that were per-programmed anyway. The SSL 360 video and the SSL User Guide for the 360 are very good at showing how to program the soft keys. I found it actually fun. So, for me everything is happy working together. I find it remarkable that the 360 mixer, UC1, UF8, Channel Strip 2, Channel Strip 4k b and Bus Compressor 2 plugins all correspond to each. When a control is moved in one, it immediately shows in all the others. Pretty cool I think. I also like that the transport controls in SSL 360 work. I duplicate these controls in the first group of soft keys on the UF8. I have also programmed the soft keys to do such things as save, open new project, metronome, undo and redo, snap and unsnap, etc. I like using these instead of resorting to my mouse. But everyone will have a different approach to all of this. The outside plugin controls on the UF8 do not work with Reaper but SSL has been very clear about this, and to me it is not a big deal.
Good choice of gear and your way of covering it utilizing the gear here is totally my taste (Functionwise and signalchain wise) I would probably do the same thing. Perfect use of a few nice pieces
Thank you for your videos, they are great! Here's my shoutout to the "big" guys. There is a big gap, and a need in the market for a high quality sound analog mixer with (min.) 8 in/outs, very good converters, and good in/outs to the external hardware. No need for build in (especially stripped versions) of effects-EQ-comp. They maybe good for live, but I am referring to studio rec./mix/mastering. A&H has good choices, but the Neve, SSL, Trident, API etc. start from 17-20K. A 5-6K unit from those guys, with just (8 min.) in/outs, not even pre-amps more than 2, or 4 (we all have our gear, and like to be flexible), and maybe an additional ADAT in/out (for 500 series, Cranborne etc.) would have a ton of options for the user, and have their 3D sound. Basically a clean, high grade router, and AD/DA converter with ADAT (or USB) would be a center piece.
So what do you do for the final mix out? Print from the master bus of the Big6 to a new track in ProTools? How do you get the final mixdown with both the outboard and the inline effects in protools?
this is gonna be a hit....Imagine having 4-5 super pres..Imagine what that will be like for harmony vocals and the adding then API channel (full channel) and the Neve shelford channel. If you have good mics telefunken tf47 and the tf51 and 2 alternates Sony C100 and the TLM 107) your in the biz
@@TheRealCowlick Just a few things I plan to add to the SSL Big Six once its available...My plan is to have the API and Neve pres in addition the SSL pres.
@@TheRealCowlick what could be added to the big six....look at the comments below youll see more of that. With the SSL pres. comp and master buss compressor....some good mics you shd be able to get a great sound....I wish we had this in the 80s...
Thanks for this video. The only thing I haven't been able to get an answer to is how to incorporate outboard gear on the individual tracks during mix-down. Is it possible to use the inserts on 1-4 when switched to USB mode? How about channels 5-12? Cheers
Damn!!! That silver mic and it's pop filter in the vocal booth are dope!!! What is that brand??? Back to topic, SSL don't disappoint at all. This is a game-changing mixer.
@@vintagekingproaudio How did your integrate the parallel compression, done in the box with the SSL plug in on both kick and snare, back into the Big Six when mixing ?
Good question. The thing is only capable sampling rates up to 96k which leaves me wondering about the DACs in the thing. Sort of wish they'd left the digital stuff out and placed two more mic pres in the thing. I'm thinking that most people who can afford to drop $3K on this probably already have a fairly capable audio interface. Otherwise, nice to see a high quality small board. I own the SSL Six and its an a wonderful piece.
@@johnpborden most high end audio interface like RME or UAD have their inner FX and virtual mixing solution, plus DSP. Having a board like the SSL on top of that don't make it redundant? I'm really curious.
Hi and thanks for posting this video. I also watched your video showcasing the Avid Carbon with a similar recording at Vintage King Studios. I am looking at both these devices for a project/home studio setup. I am undecided between these two devices and if I were to purchase a B-Stock Carbon the price difference is not that significant between these two and I also get a perpetual PT license with Carbon. Any thoughts between these two devices (SSL Big Six and Avid Pro Tools Carbon) as my budget only allows for one? Thanks in advance.
Thank you! We will be releasing the song soon, please check out our spotify or apple music to hear our most recent album, and stay tuned for this track!
yeah they should have included digital I/O along with the USB audio interface. Would have been a no brainer expansion purchase for people with existing interfaces
This is amazing! Maybe I missed it, but will you be able to multitrack? so each channel will get a separate channel when recording? instead of only Stereo Output. That we be amazing that you can tweak afterwards each mono/stereo channel.
Could you explain more about the mono button on stereochannels? Is it possible to record with two external preamps via f.ex channel 5/6 and split both signals to individual mono?
I wish SSL made an USB or thunderbolt 8 Channel XLR with 8 faders. SPDIF 16 in and out (to connect with other or connect other BiG6 or small six to expand. ) daw control /wih super analog that would be similar tone and low noise as the SSL DESK/ Origin, and under $5,250.. That is basically a Delta SSL but slight less than half. you got a winner. We need more XLR input i/o to conepletely run the ecosystem for inputs for same design, would be awesome.!
If you can connect it as an audio interface, any chance that the faders are motorized to reset your levels to match the project you saved previously? Mackie / HUI standard protocol over USB MIDI, perhaps?
In your opinion how similar is the Sound of an SSL 9000 mixer or SSL big 6 mixer VS Reason DAW Mixer which looks the same, are they the same, similar or nothing alike?
The SSL 9000 is a very flexible high end console that has a great shine and polish. The SSL BiG SiX is a great desktop mixer that gives you the sound of an SSL but in a smaller footprint than the SSL 9000. Working on mixers/consoles is a different workflow than working in the box with Reason or other DAW's.
@@vintagekingproaudio I see alot of producers leaning over the SSL, I know for a fact I would not be able to use one as I'd get massive back pain. I get back pain when leening over the bath to that Taps.
Sorry but using the mixer with 12k worth of other gear is kind of useless for determining what it can do. Try taking an unprocessed mix and run it through the mixer with mixer only processing.
Great video. I’m considering this. I have a question though. After you’ve mixed your track on the big six, how do you route the audio back into the daw??
@@vintagekingproaudio do you mean it is possible for a DAW to recognize two Big Six interfaces at the same time? For example being able to select between "SSL Big Six 1-16" and "SSL Big Six 17-32" for a channel input in a Logic session.
A lot of outboard gear that’s fine, but that’s not what to hear what sound like the six alone . That’s not a review of the SSL Six but ok . Why people don’t review the product, without outboard compressor? Not all of us have the gear, but I have an idea of how it sounds or EQ, Compressor, Gbus-comp, analog input, ect…
You need somehow some outboard to track more than 4 mics. I agree with you, I would I've liked to see more EQ et Comp difference, there are more videos from other retailers.
Thanks for the comment Robert, we'll take it into consideration. We've also done a number of demos with the original SiX without any outboard gear that you can watch. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/IFJQYHdj9ZM/w-d-xo.html
This saves me a tone on the idea of 500 summing using the SiX 500… with inserts it then gives the flexibility of the other ideas and also only bring in if necessary… the preamps would be good as a extra 5 in recording, but prefer other preamps for the meat of a track… those would be to me more for a few sterile parts that need a bit of SSL grit
I want something like this for my tracking/mixing but with a better channel strips on each channel, like a better eq like the big ssl console boards with eq bells n curves & a good compressor with variety attack, release & threshold settings … but closer to this size!!!. But maybe with instead of 8 channel faders which they should make that too but i want 16 channels, eq & comps with 8pre’s .
Id love a big six type mixer without the interface, I already have a very nice interface and I'd love the pres, eq, compression and summing you get in the big six, so I can just plug and chug into my interface. Anyone know a product that fills this specific use?
Monitoring mic pre or line onboard with headphones connected on mixer is zero latency, is analog signal path. The latency from protools playback is driver-related
More of a bang for ya buck. you get mid band eq which was not included in the 1st six mixer. No more DB 25 connections. You get great sound quality from the small SIX but like Scarface said "The time have come, we have expand all operations"
Ooh god ssl drops this nuke bomb in 2021 straight USB no additional audio interface with professional summing capabilities just imagine what ssl4+ and ssl4 is going to be like sorry uad rme focusrite audient but a new king is taking over the throne
Hey Brendan! Thanks for your interest in the song! You can find us wherever you stream (spotify, apple music, etc). This song in particular isn't yet released but will be soon, so please stay tuned :)
The only reason for why ssl is coming up with these toys is 1. Because the majority of recording artists don't go to huge studios. They do it at home through budget gear. 2. Because there is A TON of money they can make creating toys like these for a more friendly price.
There is a comparison of the raw tracks v.s. BiG SiX mix at 17:01 - 17:51. Here are all the Time Stamps: Breakdown of Recording Set-up: 0:39 - 4:26 Raw Tracks Recorded With SSL BiG SiX: 4:27 - 5:14 Breakdown of Mix With SSL BiG SiX: 5:15 - 15:20 Final Mix With SSL BiG SiX: 15:21 - 16:08 Final Thoughts on SSL BiG SiX: 16:09 - 17:00 Comparison of Raw Tracks With Final Mix: 17:01 - 17:51
Asking the elephant in the room question. Is this board so good to prompt one to use it even if that means a mix of mic preamps on the same kit since it only has 4 on board?
Great video. Terrific song by killer band. The detail this guy goes to in explaining his choices is epic and worth taking the time to re-watch. The idea of using 2 x Big Six is interesting…
What sense does it make to have him talk about what he has done to the mix? I thought this was a product demonstration? How about show off some sounds, like before and after.
There is a comparison of the raw tracks v.s. BiG SiX mix at 17:01 - 17:51. Here are all the Time Stamps: Breakdown of Recording Set-up: 0:39 - 4:26 Raw Tracks Recorded With SSL BiG SiX: 4:27 - 5:14 Breakdown of Mix With SSL BiG SiX: 5:15 - 15:20 Final Mix With SSL BiG SiX: 15:21 - 16:08 Final Thoughts on SSL BiG SiX: 16:09 - 17:00 Comparison of Raw Tracks With Final Mix: 17:01 - 17:51
How you are implementing cue mixes would be a helpful detail to include. The actual tracking process with the desk would be more illustrative. Otherwise, it is just a summing mixer with inserts and eq. And faders, and pan pots; all stuff I don't want to recall when summing. When evaluating this piece, tracking is the most valuable task, in my book. Also, you can't argue with results(???), but 4+ instances of just additive eq on kick seems . . . avoidable.
Cool song, first off. I've been asking for the BiG SiX for quite some time and now I wonder if there will ever be a Really BiG SiX with eight mono channels. (LOL, I'm evil that way I guess.) Anyway, I hope I get to where I need the BiG SiX soon. I'd really love one.
2 years ago, I was attacked on my TH-cam channel for saying “SSL should put audio interface on their consoles”. Now, they have audio interfaces. You’re welcome gear heads.
No lie!!! 🎯 🧙🏾♂️🔮
Man you should go do a video bout it bro!
Lol i remember that
Lol good call dude
Lmao..... Ave was early
great video! Just wish they would have added an adat in/out for 8 additional channels and it would have been the bomb.
Very happy with the design and price point of this unit. Forget everyone saying what they wish SSL did or didn’t do with it. They succeeded with flying colors. This is so great!
Look at SSL making a very modern, useful, recording tool at the right price
96kHz is not good enough. It's a far cry from the SSL2+ interface.
@@gavin4848 I think it’s perfect!
@@gavin4848 why is 96khz not good enough
@@drummindave50 SSL explains themselves about the 'feel' of music. I notice the difference mostly with vocals. Technically I guess the difference is due to aliasing at the nyquist frequency.
@@gavin4848 ya but aliasing occurs only when you are using digital saturation/distortion plugins. Any saturation with this interface/mixer would be happening in the analog domain so no aliasing.
Nice mix! Sounds great. I’m so glad you did the comparison to the raw input vs the mix at the end. I just got a big six and I’m so excited to record with it, but I’m also happy you showed the outboard gear you’re using and how you’re going about that because you made it seem far less complex than it seems. Anyway. Thanks for this video. 👊
OMG they did it!!!!
YES!!!!
this is a game changer when it comes to looking at interfaces. Suddenly this becomes a highly affordable interface
I agree. Depending on your goals you can justify this. Bus compressor, 4 mic press eq and comp, summing mixer, faders, and 16 /18 I/o interface. 3k.
dont forget, hes got more than twenty grand worth of outboard gear making it sound the way it does.
Bro. That is some amazing video work. Kudos to the guy for explaining things too deeply. Great work. Best wishes.
The Big Six and the band are dope. And the video doubles as a workflow tutorial. Cheers!
I wish SSL would bring a “Big Twelve”, like a dual Big Six, but with an UF8 and UC1 integrated like a baby-Matrix, with additional I/O, including some ADAT and SPDIF, and of course 8 Pre channels and 8 stereo channels for a total of 24 analog I/O + 16 digital I/O. Even if the end price would be similar to 2x Big Six + UF8 + UC1, it would still be worth for people that don’t want to buy an Origin, Matrix or even a XL Desk.
I just got confirmation we can cascade two Big SiX, and we can aggregate them to have 32 I/O in Logic…. So it would work just as fine as a Big Twelve!
I’d be between $12,000-$15,000 with the extra I/O channels etc…so you’d pay upwards of $15K and Matrix is $20K?!
@@kwrigh1668 BiG SiX is $3k, so even if you get two in cascade for 32 channels summing, you’ll end up to $6k... still far less than a Matrix.
@@Spidouz How would that work? You can only have one AI as the input or output at any given time as the set up in Logic. I could see chaining two Big SiX's together on the analog side (2 bus out from one to a pair of the line levels on the other) for additional I/O, but not sure how you'd do that on the digital side in Logic as one AI. Do they chain together via USB C hub pre DAW and then only recognized as one? I ask because there's not 2 USB C ports on the SiX that I can see. Be interesting to hear the exact setup or see a vid on it.
@@Spidouz OK...now I see. You'd create an aggregate interface on the MIDI side combing the two pre DAW. The two would be seen as one aggregate device in Logic. Never had to do it coming from the Apollo world as my AI, so wasn't aware it could be done that way. Very cool and two SiX's would be a killer set up at under 6k
very good video - articulate and organized with fine production values
Thanks for doing this and showing the capabilities of this mixer. Maybe they will release a bigger version at a lovely price in the near future. Or even one with the same form factor, a little longer with the 4 band eq
Holy flirking shnit! It’s exactly what we asked for!
I am a fan of high quality audio and so are you!
Setup Guide
I decided to set up a separate mixing/mastering station in my studio using SSL equipment. I purchased a UC1, UF8, Fusion, Bus+ and Big Six.
I have been using Reaper for about ten years but am not a power user. I have relied a lot on Kenny Gioia's video tutorials.
My goal was to get all of the SSL pieces working together with Reaper. Unfortunately SSL does not fully support Reaper in setting up the UC1 and UF8. So I had to wade in (over my head) into getting Reaper and the SSL equipment, the Big Six, UC1 and UF8 configured so that they would function together.
SSL's technical support was responsive but they did not have knowledge of Reaper. I could not find any TH-cam videos or other information on how to configure all the this equipment together. So I decided I would offer a few comments on what eventually worked for me.
The SSL User Manuals are very good in explaining the functions of the equipment. The Fusion and Bus+ provide no particular connection or configuration issues. They are easy to set up and operate.
The SSL User manuals and TH-cam videos for the Big Six, UC1 and UF8 explain how to physically connect each piece to a computer (in my case a Windows 11 pc). They also do a good job of explaining how to download the software - 360 plug in mixer, Channel Strip 2, Channel Strip 4k b and Bus Compressor 2. The only difficulties I encountered in this were due to my total inexperience with using iLok software manager. But the process worked fine.
So I suggest that one follow the SSL videos and User Guides. Just one comment. The Channel Strip 2, Channel Strip 4k b and Compressor 2 are VST's and it is best to allow the SSL downloader to put these in the default folder - which is the Steinberg VST Plugins folder. Pay attention to Reaper's warning that VST plugins should not be placed in the Reaper plugin/FX folder along with the standard Reaper plugins.
With regard to the USB connections, I offer the following advice. Use either the USB cables that SSL provides or very high quality cables. Do no use any USB cables longer than 1 ½ meters. Do not use a hub for any connection. Connect the UC1 USB cable from the UC1 to the UF8 “thru” USB input (which is a USB type A input). Run a USB cable from the UF8 USB output (which is a USB type C connector) to your computer. Connect the Big Six USB output to a separate USB connection on your computer.
After all the SSL software is installed, go to Options > Preferences > Audio > Midi Devices. A table will pop up. There will be a table listing twelve SSL V MIDI Ports for Input and under that there is a table listing twelve SSL V MIDI Ports for Output. Under the Mode column of each table, enable all twelve ports. Do this by right clicking each port under Mode column. A window will pop up. Click enable. Do this for all input and outputs. Twelve MIDI Inputs and twelve MIDI Outputs are therefore enabled. I do not know if it is necessary to enable all twelve outputs and inputs but that is what I did and it works for me.
Right click again on the SSL V-MIDI Port 1 line in the input table. The small window will again pop up. Click on “Enable input for control messages.” You do not have to do this (and cannot do it) for the SSL V-MIDI Port 1 line in the output table.
Go to Preferences > Options > Control/OSC/web. Under the blank window, click Add. Another blank window will pop up. There will be a line titled “Control surface mode.” Click on the small down arrow to open up another window with a list of options. Select Mackie Control Universal. (If you are using more than one UF8, I think you also need to select Mackie Control Extender, but since I only have one UF8 I do not know for sure). Click OK at the bottom of the window.
I suggest at this point that you restart your computer.
Then turn off everything - the computer, the Big Six, UF8, UC1, Bus+ and Fusion.
Then I do the following: The order is important.
Turn on the UF8 and UC1.
Turn on your computer.
Start Reaper.
Open the SSL 360.
Check that the Options setting described above are sill there.
Open a new track and ensure that you can find and open the Bus Compressor 2, Channel Strip 2 and Channel Strip 4k b.
Turn on the Big Six.
Ensure that the USB connection light in the upper right of the Big Six is on.
(If you turn on the Big Six before turning on Reaper, the UC8 will not be happy and will pout. It will essentially refuse to talk with you or do anything at all except sit there with a blank stare on its face).
In the SSL 360 software, choose Logic Pro for Layer 1. There is no option to choose Reaper. Reaper is not fully supported in this manner - er, not supported at all. (I have seen that someone chose to use Studio One instead of Logic Pro, and this might work. However, SSL technical support recommends using Logic Pro.
Most of the soft keys in SSL 360 are already programmed with commands that correspond to Logic Pro commands. Some of these work with Reaper and some do not. I chose to reprogram all of the SSL 360 soft keys. It is very easy to do. Moreover, I did not really like most of the commands that were per-programmed anyway. The SSL 360 video and the SSL User Guide for the 360 are very good at showing how to program the soft keys. I found it actually fun.
So, for me everything is happy working together. I find it remarkable that the 360 mixer, UC1, UF8, Channel Strip 2, Channel Strip 4k b and Bus Compressor 2 plugins all correspond to each. When a control is moved in one, it immediately shows in all the others. Pretty cool I think.
I also like that the transport controls in SSL 360 work. I duplicate these controls in the first group of soft keys on the UF8. I have also programmed the soft keys to do such things as save, open new project, metronome, undo and redo, snap and unsnap, etc. I like using these instead of resorting to my mouse. But everyone will have a different approach to all of this.
The outside plugin controls on the UF8 do not work with Reaper but SSL has been very clear about this, and to me it is not a big deal.
Good to see Bryan killing it in his own video! Definitely a sick piece of kit.
Is this a product demo or a Masterclass? Artist and Engineer killed it
Thanks for the video VK. Very well put with audio examples...
Glad to watch this with a good band for the demo. Thanks for the time spent making it.
Damn, this is really great, and for an amazing price point
I like how the guy in the hat turns knobs, he’s a good knob turnist
Good choice of gear and your way of covering it utilizing the gear here is totally my taste (Functionwise and signalchain wise) I would probably do the same thing. Perfect use of a few nice pieces
Sounds awesome. I get mine tomorrow. Great job!
Thank you John and enjoy the new mixer! Feel free to contact us when you're ready to add to the set up.
Thank you for your videos, they are great! Here's my shoutout to the "big" guys. There is a big gap, and a need in the market for a high quality sound analog mixer with (min.) 8 in/outs, very good converters, and good in/outs to the external hardware. No need for build in (especially stripped versions) of effects-EQ-comp. They maybe good for live, but I am referring to studio rec./mix/mastering. A&H has good choices, but the Neve, SSL, Trident, API etc. start from 17-20K. A 5-6K unit from those guys, with just (8 min.) in/outs, not even pre-amps more than 2, or 4 (we all have our gear, and like to be flexible), and maybe an additional ADAT in/out (for 500 series, Cranborne etc.) would have a ton of options for the user, and have their 3D sound. Basically a clean, high grade router, and AD/DA converter with ADAT (or USB) would be a center piece.
The "3D sound" of those consoles comes from the pres and line amps. Removing the pres would make no sense.
So what do you do for the final mix out? Print from the master bus of the Big6 to a new track in ProTools? How do you get the final mixdown with both the outboard and the inline effects in protools?
this is gonna be a hit....Imagine having 4-5 super pres..Imagine what that will be like for harmony vocals and the adding then API channel (full channel) and the Neve shelford channel. If you have good mics telefunken tf47 and the tf51 and 2 alternates Sony C100 and the TLM 107) your in the biz
What are you talking about?
@@TheRealCowlick Just a few things I plan to add to the SSL Big Six once its available...My plan is to have the API and Neve pres in addition the SSL pres.
@@TheRealCowlick what could be added to the big six....look at the comments below youll see more of that. With the SSL pres. comp and master buss compressor....some good mics you shd be able to get a great sound....I wish we had this in the 80s...
Wow! This is cool guys!
Thanks for this video. The only thing I haven't been able to get an answer to is how to incorporate outboard gear on the individual tracks during mix-down. Is it possible to use the inserts on 1-4 when switched to USB mode? How about channels 5-12? Cheers
Omg…. It’s perfect
I just purchased a second Big Six from Josh Front at VK. Thanks Josh
Damn!!! That silver mic and it's pop filter in the vocal booth are dope!!! What is that brand??? Back to topic, SSL don't disappoint at all. This is a game-changing mixer.
I'd like to hear the whole finished track. Is it up anywhere?
We are working now on an album for release this year, stay tuned!
I really like this mixer!! But how to get the final mix recorded on two tracks back in protools?
On the back of the SSL BiG SiX there is a Main Output that you can use to feed a stereo mix back into your Pro Tools rig.
@@vintagekingproaudio How did your integrate the parallel compression, done in the box with the SSL plug in on both kick and snare, back into the Big Six when mixing ?
Great video, though I have to say that the main vocal hook that seems to repeat a lot in the video is grating. My ship does not need adjusting!
Sorry you feel that way, Luke!
How does the audio interface of the Big Six compare to other Audio interfaces like RME or Universal Audio? Thanks a lot!
Good question. The thing is only capable sampling rates up to 96k which leaves me wondering about the DACs in the thing. Sort of wish they'd left the digital stuff out and placed two more mic pres in the thing. I'm thinking that most people who can afford to drop $3K on this probably already have a fairly capable audio interface. Otherwise, nice to see a high quality small board. I own the SSL Six and its an a wonderful piece.
@@johnpborden most high end audio interface like RME or UAD have their inner FX and virtual mixing solution, plus DSP. Having a board like the SSL on top of that don't make it redundant? I'm really curious.
The analog summing (if you’re into that) can make a difference in your mixes and the SSL Six works perfectly for that.
Can it fit in a 19” rack? So I Can fit it into a studio table 🙏
Please make a video just about the SSL Big six.
Hi and thanks for posting this video. I also watched your video showcasing the Avid Carbon with a similar recording at Vintage King Studios. I am looking at both these devices for a project/home studio setup. I am undecided between these two devices and if I were to purchase a B-Stock Carbon the price difference is not that significant between these two and I also get a perpetual PT license with Carbon.
Any thoughts between these two devices (SSL Big Six and Avid Pro Tools Carbon) as my budget only allows for one? Thanks in advance.
Whalloping great sound !!
Great Song. Where can I buy it?
Check out Century Babes on Spotify, Apple Music, or wherever you stream! This song in particular isn't yet released, but will be out soon!
Any users tested this with tracking into an iPad? Does it work without dropouts and clicks?
Such a cool song. Where can I find it?
Thank you! We will be releasing the song soon, please check out our spotify or apple music to hear our most recent album, and stay tuned for this track!
Reading below about "problems" with Reaper...... I wonder.... does Big Six play nice with Adobe Audition?
i wish it has some kindof ADAT so i could use my headphone monitoring system with it and just get rid of my focusrite stuff
yeah they should have included digital I/O along with the USB audio interface. Would have been a no brainer expansion purchase for people with existing interfaces
This is amazing! Maybe I missed it, but will you be able to multitrack? so each channel will get a separate channel when recording? instead of only Stereo Output. That we be amazing that you can tweak afterwards each mono/stereo channel.
Yes you can multitrack. 16 channel AD/DA onboard
Could you explain more about the mono button on stereochannels? Is it possible to record with two external preamps via f.ex channel 5/6 and split both signals to individual mono?
I wish SSL made an USB or thunderbolt 8 Channel XLR with 8 faders. SPDIF 16 in and out (to connect with other or connect other BiG6 or small six to expand. ) daw control /wih super analog that would be similar tone and low noise as the SSL DESK/ Origin, and under $5,250.. That is basically a Delta SSL but slight less than half. you got a winner. We need more XLR input i/o to conepletely run the ecosystem for inputs for same design, would be awesome.!
Thank you for the nice video...
If you can connect it as an audio interface, any chance that the faders are motorized to reset your levels to match the project you saved previously? Mackie / HUI standard protocol over USB MIDI, perhaps?
In your opinion how similar is the Sound of an SSL 9000 mixer or SSL big 6 mixer VS Reason DAW Mixer which looks the same, are they the same, similar or nothing alike?
The SSL 9000 is a very flexible high end console that has a great shine and polish. The SSL BiG SiX is a great desktop mixer that gives you the sound of an SSL but in a smaller footprint than the SSL 9000. Working on mixers/consoles is a different workflow than working in the box with Reason or other DAW's.
@@vintagekingproaudio Thanks, that's intresting, but when it comes to sound manipulation how similar is the sound from the SSL vs Reasons Mixer?
@@vintagekingproaudio I see alot of producers leaning over the SSL, I know for a fact I would not be able to use one as I'd get massive back pain. I get back pain when leening over the bath to that Taps.
Can you insert an EQ and limiter after the compressor?
How would you use this mixer into my Apollo twin x cause I still want to use my uad plugins. The interface in the mixer can be bypassed innit?
So you was able to record the full Band with all channels at the same time individually into the DAW and the Mono Tracks are still mono ?
Yes, with the SSL BiG SiX's onboard preamps, two Neve 1073LBs and a Rupert Neve Designs 5025.
is the analog summing happening through the USB? or is there another interface youre coming out of first to go into the SSL for summing? thx! c
Sorry but using the mixer with 12k worth of other gear is kind of useless for determining what it can do. Try taking an unprocessed mix and run it through the mixer with mixer only processing.
Great video. I’m considering this. I have a question though. After you’ve mixed your track on the big six, how do you route the audio back into the daw??
Fantastic video and product right!? I had the exact same question though. How are the signals routed back, with SSL eq and compression, into the daw?
@@authenticoriginal1564 for sure, excited to find out!
Why use plugins when you have outboard gear? I’m just curious, and confused at the same time.
Wooowww cant wait in infonesia
Do yall think the quality of this board better than the presonus series III?
Great video
How many inserts? I am spoiled with having an insert for every channel I guess! Is there at least an insert for each preamp?
There are 4 inserts on the first 4 channels and there is a stereo insert for the stereo bus.
I need this, but just 2 channels with the USB interface built in. The BIG 2!
I hope there is a “Bigger Six” with 8 mic pres (edit: and 8 stereos) coming in the near future
hahaha never enough ey?
You can chain two BiG SiXes together, just sayin'!
@@vintagekingproaudio do you mean it is possible for a DAW to recognize two Big Six interfaces at the same time? For example being able to select between "SSL Big Six 1-16" and "SSL Big Six 17-32" for a channel input in a Logic session.
@@JonJourdan If you use ASIO4all drivers you can use multiple sound cards, so why not?
Very cool. Can I ask what amp the guitars were going through. Such a great tone.
How did you send the mic preamp (neve) to the Ssl line level ?
Line out of Neve-> Line In SSL Channel
Sounds really polished. I bet you'll sell alot of these.
A lot of outboard gear that’s fine, but that’s not what to hear what sound like the six alone . That’s not a review of the SSL Six but ok . Why people don’t review the product, without outboard compressor? Not all of us have the gear, but I have an idea of how it sounds or EQ, Compressor, Gbus-comp, analog input, ect…
You need somehow some outboard to track more than 4 mics. I agree with you, I would I've liked to see more EQ et Comp difference, there are more videos from other retailers.
Thanks for the comment Robert, we'll take it into consideration. We've also done a number of demos with the original SiX without any outboard gear that you can watch. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/IFJQYHdj9ZM/w-d-xo.html
This saves me a tone on the idea of 500 summing using the SiX 500… with inserts it then gives the flexibility of the other ideas and also only bring in if necessary… the preamps would be good as a extra 5 in recording, but prefer other preamps for the meat of a track… those would be to me more for a few sterile parts that need a bit of SSL grit
Saves on the 500 bus compressor… because the setting is the only time I’d use the bus compressor… so saves on having to buy that also
I can’t wait for the big fusion lol
What do you think big fusion will be?
It’ll be good with a UC1 and a UF8 in front of it
I want something like this for my tracking/mixing but with a better channel strips on each channel, like a better eq like the big ssl console boards with eq bells n curves & a good compressor with variety attack, release & threshold settings … but closer to this size!!!. But maybe with instead of 8 channel faders which they should make that too but i want 16 channels, eq & comps with 8pre’s .
No problem it will be 20k. Ready fo the cost as well?
How can I listen to this full song ?
This isn't the version we tracked, but here is a link to the Century Babes record:
centurybabes.bandcamp.com/album/smaller-ghosts
@@vintagekingproaudio Thank you , I am big fan right now
Id love a big six type mixer without the interface, I already have a very nice interface and I'd love the pres, eq, compression and summing you get in the big six, so I can just plug and chug into my interface. Anyone know a product that fills this specific use?
Honestly…this. Just don’t use the interface.
xdesk by ssl
Well. You can run two Six's....They make a dual rack mount kit for that purpose.
SSL make the best Mixer. I ❤️ it!!! I want it to me 😥
Is there some latency when you record while monitoring?
great question
Monitoring mic pre or line onboard with headphones connected on mixer is zero latency, is analog signal path.
The latency from protools playback is driver-related
@@matteonolli I mean, what about latency between your DAW and the Mixer? Obviously has zero in the mixer hehe. Thks for answering.
Video really well done. The mix doesn't sound ITB at all, and that's a good thing.
Ok, so you walked us through your mix can you walk us through the board?
More of a bang for ya buck. you get mid band eq which was not included in the 1st six mixer. No more DB 25 connections. You get great sound quality from the small SIX but like Scarface said "The time have come, we have expand all operations"
Ooh god ssl drops this nuke bomb in 2021 straight USB no additional audio interface with professional summing capabilities just imagine what ssl4+ and ssl4 is going to be like sorry uad rme focusrite audient but a new king is taking over the throne
This sounded great! It's a shame the song never got released...
Where can I find this song!
Hey Brendan! Thanks for your interest in the song! You can find us wherever you stream (spotify, apple music, etc). This song in particular isn't yet released but will be soon, so please stay tuned :)
Did u adjust their damn ship?
He did adjust their ship, after he shut his mouth!
He totes adjusted our ship
Damn.
good demo. now we need a follow-up demo where the guy with long hair does a rap track.
Interesting! Coming soon :)
The only reason for why ssl is coming up with these toys is 1. Because the majority of recording artists don't go to huge studios. They do it at home through budget gear. 2. Because there is A TON of money they can make creating toys like these for a more friendly price.
I was waiting for that raw mix vs. BIG Six mix or DAW vs Big Six summing, but detailed overview either way like always!
There is a comparison of the raw tracks v.s. BiG SiX mix at 17:01 - 17:51.
Here are all the Time Stamps:
Breakdown of Recording Set-up: 0:39 - 4:26
Raw Tracks Recorded With SSL BiG SiX: 4:27 - 5:14
Breakdown of Mix With SSL BiG SiX: 5:15 - 15:20
Final Mix With SSL BiG SiX: 15:21 - 16:08
Final Thoughts on SSL BiG SiX: 16:09 - 17:00
Comparison of Raw Tracks With Final Mix: 17:01 - 17:51
@@vintagekingproaudio I meant raw mix not through Big Six, but thank you.
Asking the elephant in the room question. Is this board so good to prompt one to use it even if that means a mix of mic preamps on the same kit since it only has 4 on board?
Great video. Terrific song by killer band. The detail this guy goes to in explaining his choices is epic and worth taking the time to re-watch. The idea of using 2 x Big Six is interesting…
Band and music are horrendous. Sure he will die of alcohol poisioning anyway...
What sense does it make to have him talk about what he has done to the mix? I thought this was a product demonstration? How about show off some sounds, like before and after.
There is a comparison of the raw tracks v.s. BiG SiX mix at 17:01 - 17:51.
Here are all the Time Stamps:
Breakdown of Recording Set-up: 0:39 - 4:26
Raw Tracks Recorded With SSL BiG SiX: 4:27 - 5:14
Breakdown of Mix With SSL BiG SiX: 5:15 - 15:20
Final Mix With SSL BiG SiX: 15:21 - 16:08
Final Thoughts on SSL BiG SiX: 16:09 - 17:00
Comparison of Raw Tracks With Final Mix: 17:01 - 17:51
Is it Jake Gillenhaal on the vocal...?
YES!
Well done! sweet friggin band too!
Thank you Brandon!
How you are implementing cue mixes would be a helpful detail to include. The actual tracking process with the desk would be more illustrative. Otherwise, it is just a summing mixer with inserts and eq. And faders, and pan pots; all stuff I don't want to recall when summing. When evaluating this piece, tracking is the most valuable task, in my book.
Also, you can't argue with results(???), but 4+ instances of just additive eq on kick seems . . . avoidable.
😲😲😲❤️❤️❤️
Cool song, first off. I've been asking for the BiG SiX for quite some time and now I wonder if there will ever be a Really BiG SiX with eight mono channels. (LOL, I'm evil that way I guess.) Anyway, I hope I get to where I need the BiG SiX soon. I'd really love one.
Thank you for your compliment on the song! :)
oh fook yeh
A big 48 with automation and an extensive center section for monitoring would be ……. Oh, wait. Never mind.
Please put Dante on it.
Nice Grandmother
They even named it after me
Ugg.. SSL, just give us 8 XLR ins and be done with it.
The song sounds way better played at 1.25x
ssl is top but i prefer neve above,ssl needs a silk mode also :p :)