I’m left the meeting a few weeks ago and every day I pray for Jesus to guild me, I’m not qualified to even think of finding 😊 my own way when-it comes to Spiritual life 😮
If you continue in my Word, then are ye my disciples indeed. And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. John 8:31-32 Trouble is that most people approach the Word with denominal eyeglasses😳 So be sure to continue in His word after removing said lens.
Keep praying to Jesus to know him and he will show you. Pray for discernment and importantly if you are looking for someone to teach and the right people will be made available to you.
I left the "truth" and I just talked to God. I would ask questions of God and then say "put me where you want me" and moved forward knowing that I had to be willing to go through doors that God opened and then keep that front of mind as to what may happen and remember to look for why God opened the door and what was my part in it. You will go through many changes but remember God is our father and we need to seek him and don't be afraid to "try the spirits" It's a long and hard journey and I don't think it ever ends. Good luck and pray
Thank you both. These interviews are very helpful in sorting out our own foundation and where things have diverged and even gone right off the rails. It gives us a real understanding of the history and current situation in North America and beyond. We here in NZ are not separated from it at all. Just another slightly more self righteous flavour leaving the poor and maimed and lame in the ditch while the self sufficient and self satisfied walk by. Cherry picking the verses that give them right of way and promote every man for himself…
Great videos, keep it up! Perhaps you already knew this but Cherie Kropp produced a great book summing up the history of the two by twos. With regards to the Mathew 10 Verses here is what is quoted: Irvine Weir who entered the work in 1900 stated shared that "Irvine's ideas of preaching and Tramp preaching were founded entirely on his idea of the tenth Matthew … William believed that what was good for the apostles was also good for the preachers of that day. He forgot that this message was given to the apostles to give to the Jewish nation only"
Thanks for the informative podcast. On the subject of Mathew 10 : 10 about the workman being worthy of his meat, those days everyone had house hold chores to do and being “in” for 68 years, there are chores to do that workers can help with that would make them worthy of the time spent in that home. Helping cook, haul water, washing clothes - the list goes on and on. Today’s workers seldom help with anything , just ask what the wi-fi code is. 😊
Asking for wifi code is almost of the past. They don't want you to know where they go, so they pay the extra for high gigabyte data and don't sign into folks' wifi.
23:10 Matthew 10:2 where he names the apostles, after every two listed, there is a semi colon, which signifies that those two names were together. Hence the belief in the pairs.
Punctuation is always added by the translators. You're right, though, those are there in accordance with the parallel passages in Mark, and the 70 sent out in Luke that they were paired up.
Jelaine: If this is true; why is the record of their ministry 73% of the time either 1 or 3 or more alone or together; only 27% of the time two together?
In both cases after the 2x2 commission they return and a crowd is there and are fed by a miracle to fulfill scripture. That was the point to see Jesus. The lense from the people who leave the cult are focused on the confines of this commission but look after. Also near the cross we see they can take things so that also enforces that these were specific times.
So to be more clear. The point was not to focus on the 2x2 but to come see Jesus. How this cult has really altered scripture for their purpose is sad and take the focus off of Jesus as our mediator and claim the 2x2 is a necessary link to salvation. We serve our King, Jesus The Christ.
I asked my dad that and he said upon Jesus death All that went away. In my 30's i went up for a prayer because i thought people were faking it or being pushed down.nope i went out in the Spirit . A couple years ago I told my cousin worker Mar Marilyn Beck about that and she was smiles And said it d0es say to Test the Spirits
20:33 “Judas WAS NOT an Apostle..”. He had to be an Apostle for he betrayed Christ. To betray is to be on one side and switch to the other. If he was never one of them he could not have betrayed. He fell from his Apostleship Acts 1:25 (KJV) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
@@martyfaber1280 interesting. I haven't really thought about it too much, but in Acts 1 when they were seeking to replace Judas, Peter quoted from Psalm 109:8 "Let another take his office." Superficially, to me this would imply Judas "office" being an Apostle. I'm thinking you are probably going to cover the requirements laid out in the same chapter, one being "until the day when he was taken up from us"
Fourth generation b&r here, left meetings July 2023. I'm not so sure Jesus was talking about money at all when he said, "Freely have you received; freely give." I'm thinking he was talking about generosity, as in, "I gave you the Good News with unstinting generosity, holding nothing back of the knowledge of my Father and His love and grace. Now, you go out and give a generously as you have been given." Jesus's words of "the workman is worthy of his hire," seems like a strong indication of monetary income.
The Word, freely you received the Word, yhe truth of Christ and God's revelation... freely give what you have received. It's not to be held or sold like the many 'prosperity' so called preachers of modernity. The workman us akin to the "sower" of the seed.. the "sower" is the workman.. tending to(working) in the garden.. the world is the garden or field. It's all on there, in the scriptures. Most will never see beyond the surface to the deeper things of the text.
So much of what the doctrine is correct like no name,/labels, no building, gathering in homes etc is how it was done in Acts but then throw in a lot of misinformation to keep people away from knowing and growing in Jesus.
joanna6183: AND to David Alink: only one problem with the doctrine theory: the Workers follow the 12 "apostles" exactly as Jesus sent them. Acts 1: thru Acts 12, the Apostles followed and preached as Jesus sent them. Math 10:5 - :6 = Math 15:24 exactly to whom Jesus HIMSELF was sent. John 20:21 explains Jesus sent the 12 as Jesus' Father had sent Him. Who were they to preach to? Math. 10:6. What were they to preach? Math.10:7. - exactly what God promised Abram of God's promise Genesis 12:1-4 -- their promised, covenanted to Abram: their Kingdom of Heaven on Earth WAS AT Hand! Exodus 19:5, :6 they were to be. This is clarified in Luke 1:68 "Israel"; :69 - :77 to give 'knowledge to ""his"" people----- :80 until the day of his shewing unto Israel. That is exactly 'to whom' the 12 apostles preached! Acts 2:5 Devout Jews from every Nation under heaven. (Devout Jews had been scattered because of disobedience to God. Many had never returned to Land of Israel and did NOT even know their original "Language"). = reason for explanation Acts 2:6-:8. This was recorded at THEIR very Jewish feast Day which demanded "All Jewish males" must come to the Lord's House=Jewish Temple in Jerusalem - on and for the Jewish Feast Day of "Pentecost". What did the 12 apostles preach (:14 to ye men of Judaea and Jerusalem and :22 ye men of Israel)these millions of Jews in Jerusalem on this Feast Day? Exactly what the "prophet 'Joel" preached! :16 - :20). WHAT had changed from Old Testament Gospel??? THEY MUST "believe ON the Name of the Lord. :21!!! WHO? (All prophets and Fathers had foretold). :22. Ye men of Israel - Jesus of Nazareth......... who did by miracles and wonders and signs in the midst of You. --devout Jews would KNOW prophecy that foretold this would be signs of their 'messiah'! David Alink: All of this to explain to you THAT the 12 apostles are recorded only going to the Nation of Israel AND only followed the Law of Moses: Acts 2:41 - :42. The apostles Doctrine which was 2:44- :46. sold all - lived with all things common - together AND Moses' LAW = :46 continuing "daily" with one accord ""IN the Temple""! YES, this was an "immense shock to us also. YES; the 12 continues this pattern thru Acts 6:. Acts 7: is Stephen's "record" of the HISTORY of Israel. (( Acts 11:19 confirms THAT was STILL::: to Jews only!!! as does Acts21:17 - :20)) AND that very Supreme Court of Israel were so very wroth with Stephen correctly recording Israel's "sins" and their very own present sins THAT they "stoned Stephen' with their very own hands regardless of KNOWING Stephen had God, the Holy Spirit; :Acts 7:55 ((Math12:31-:32 regardless of Jesu very own WORDS warning them of the "Blaspheme against the "Holy Spirit" CAN NOT BE 'forgiven'"!!! That very Government of Israel cooked their very own future of eternity in Lake of fire. ((Romans 11: explains :7 - :11 Israel hath BEEN 'blinded'! WHY??? :11 - :15! BUT God's 'promise to Israel'; even tho it is NOW on HOLD; will be fulfilled :25 - :27! Now is Ephesians 3:1-:9! (Isn't it amazing what God has given us in His Word! that explains each fact and 'doctrine' of our Lord and God: Jesus Christ? If ONLY we can really READ =Ephesians 6:11-:12 and :13 wherefore!!! -- :17: we alone are responsible to know!!!
No, 2x2, The truth, The friends,The way…some of the many terms used to describe this fellowship. They are between Amish & mennonites that’s how some outsiders see these people. They don’t take an official name for their group of people.
📯🕘⏳⌛; Please on youtube God's Word vs modern day bibles via Truth is Christ and Why So Many Bible versions & Christ Second Coming Separating Facts from fiction & Homestretch via Walter Veith and identity of the little horn power via Amazing Discoveries and who is the man of sin via EvenAtTheDoors
Good choices friend. There are truly 'few' who will come to full surrender hence true freedom in Christ. Stay the way, the narrow path less traveled. Broad is the way that leadeth unto destruction and most are thereupon. We must do as Christ said, "deny yourself", gird up our loins with the armor of God... and take up the Sword, daily.
I really enjoy and look forward to these podcasts. They help me a lot.
Love listening to you guys. I'm a "card carrying revivalist". Love hearing how Jesus breaks through in Truth.
Thanks for all your efforts!! Really enjoying...and always..i stay until the very end for the music!!😅 ( amd yes..recently have "moved forward")
I’m left the meeting a few weeks ago and every day I pray for Jesus to guild me, I’m not qualified to even think of finding 😊 my own way when-it comes to Spiritual life 😮
If you continue in my Word, then are ye my disciples indeed. And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. John 8:31-32
Trouble is that most people approach the Word with denominal eyeglasses😳
So be sure to continue in His word after removing said lens.
Keep praying to Jesus to know him and he will show you. Pray for discernment and importantly if you are looking for someone to teach and the right people will be made available to you.
I left the "truth" and I just talked to God. I would ask questions of God and then say "put me where you want me" and moved forward knowing that I had to be willing to go through doors that God opened and then keep that front of mind as to what may happen and remember to look for why God opened the door and what was my part in it.
You will go through many changes but remember God is our father and we need to seek him and don't be afraid to "try the spirits"
It's a long and hard journey and I don't think it ever ends.
Good luck and pray
I escaped meetings two years ago. Love your videos. Keep em coming.
I’m one of your video junkies. Keep them coming.
Haha thanks! :)
Me, too!😊
Me too 😂
Me too! Watching from Perth, Australia. The testimonies are awesome.
So good. Helps my uderstandig.
Thank you both. These interviews are very helpful in sorting out our own foundation and where things have diverged and even gone right off the rails. It gives us a real understanding of the history and current situation in North America and beyond. We here in NZ are not separated from it at all. Just another slightly more self righteous flavour leaving the poor and maimed and lame in the ditch while the self sufficient and self satisfied walk by. Cherry picking the verses that give them right of way and promote every man for himself…
Great videos, keep it up! Perhaps you already knew this but Cherie Kropp produced a great book summing up the history of the two by twos. With regards to the Mathew 10 Verses here is what is quoted: Irvine Weir who entered the work in 1900 stated shared that "Irvine's ideas of preaching and Tramp preaching were founded entirely on his idea of the tenth Matthew … William believed that what was good for the apostles was also good for the preachers of that day. He forgot that this message was given to the apostles to give to the Jewish nation only"
Thanks for the informative podcast. On the subject of Mathew 10 : 10 about the workman being worthy of his meat, those days everyone had house hold chores to do and being “in” for 68 years, there are chores to do that workers can help with that would make them worthy of the time spent in that home. Helping cook, haul water, washing clothes - the list goes on and on. Today’s workers seldom help with anything , just ask what the wi-fi code is. 😊
Lol - to the Wi-Fi code
Or in a case I witnessed - stand out on the porch and try bogarting the neighbors' wi-fi. 😬
Asking for wifi code is almost of the past. They don't want you to know where they go, so they pay the extra for high gigabyte data and don't sign into folks' wifi.
How do I get a copy of the Roman’s road ?
And all the scripture from acts about the 2x2 ministry
23:10 Matthew 10:2 where he names the apostles, after every two listed, there is a semi colon, which signifies that those two names were together. Hence the belief in the pairs.
Punctuation is always added by the translators. You're right, though, those are there in accordance with the parallel passages in Mark, and the 70 sent out in Luke that they were paired up.
Jelaine: If this is true; why is the record of their ministry 73% of the time either 1 or 3 or more alone or together; only 27% of the time two together?
In both cases after the 2x2 commission they return and a crowd is there and are fed by a miracle to fulfill scripture. That was the point to see Jesus. The lense from the people who leave the cult are focused on the confines of this commission but look after. Also near the cross we see they can take things so that also enforces that these were specific times.
So to be more clear. The point was not to focus on the 2x2 but to come see Jesus. How this cult has really altered scripture for their purpose is sad and take the focus off of Jesus as our mediator and claim the 2x2 is a necessary link to salvation.
We serve our King, Jesus The Christ.
I asked my dad that and he said upon Jesus death
All that went away. In my 30's i went up for a prayer because i thought people were faking it or being pushed down.nope i went out in the
Spirit . A couple years ago I told my cousin worker Mar
Marilyn Beck about that and she was smiles
And said it d0es say to
Test the Spirits
20:33 “Judas WAS NOT an Apostle..”.
He had to be an Apostle for he betrayed Christ. To betray is to be on one side and switch to the other. If he was never one of them he could not have betrayed. He fell from his Apostleship Acts 1:25 (KJV) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
I’m waiting to see where Marty is going to go with this… he can answer you here or on the next podcast. I’m on the same page as you.
Judas was not an Apostle. When we get to the qualifications of what an Apostle is, hopefully that will become more clear. 🙂
@@martyfaber1280 ok looking forward to it.
Now I see where you’re going with that!
@@martyfaber1280 interesting. I haven't really thought about it too much, but in Acts 1 when they were seeking to replace Judas, Peter quoted from Psalm 109:8 "Let another take his office." Superficially, to me this would imply Judas "office" being an Apostle. I'm thinking you are probably going to cover the requirements laid out in the same chapter, one being "until the day when he was taken up from us"
Fourth generation b&r here, left meetings July 2023. I'm not so sure Jesus was talking about money at all when he said, "Freely have you received; freely give." I'm thinking he was talking about generosity, as in, "I gave you the Good News with unstinting generosity, holding nothing back of the knowledge of my Father and His love and grace. Now, you go out and give a generously as you have been given."
Jesus's words of "the workman is worthy of his hire," seems like a strong indication of monetary income.
Agreed!
The Word, freely you received the Word, yhe truth of Christ and God's revelation... freely give what you have received.
It's not to be held or sold like the many 'prosperity' so called preachers of modernity.
The workman us akin to the "sower" of the seed.. the "sower" is the workman.. tending to(working) in the garden.. the world is the garden or field.
It's all on there, in the scriptures. Most will never see beyond the surface to the deeper things of the text.
I don't know you,but ask God to help you. Beg if you need to,he will show you. Please! He loves your soul. So do I.
So much of what the doctrine is correct like no name,/labels, no building, gathering in homes etc is how it was done in Acts but then throw in a lot of misinformation to keep people away from knowing and growing in Jesus.
joanna6183: AND to David Alink: only one problem with the doctrine theory: the Workers follow the 12 "apostles" exactly as Jesus sent them. Acts 1: thru Acts 12, the Apostles followed and preached as Jesus sent them. Math 10:5 - :6 = Math 15:24 exactly to whom Jesus HIMSELF was sent. John 20:21 explains Jesus sent the 12 as Jesus' Father had sent Him. Who were they to preach to? Math. 10:6. What were they to preach? Math.10:7. - exactly what God promised Abram of God's promise Genesis 12:1-4 -- their promised, covenanted to Abram: their Kingdom of Heaven on Earth WAS AT Hand!
Exodus 19:5, :6 they were to be. This is clarified in Luke 1:68 "Israel"; :69 - :77 to give 'knowledge to ""his"" people----- :80 until the day of his shewing unto Israel. That is exactly 'to whom' the 12 apostles preached! Acts 2:5 Devout Jews from every Nation under heaven. (Devout Jews had been scattered because of disobedience to God. Many had never returned to Land of Israel and did NOT even know their original "Language"). = reason for explanation Acts 2:6-:8. This was recorded at THEIR very Jewish feast Day which demanded "All Jewish males" must come to the Lord's House=Jewish Temple in Jerusalem - on and for the Jewish Feast Day of "Pentecost".
What did the 12 apostles preach (:14 to ye men of Judaea and Jerusalem and :22 ye men of Israel)these millions of Jews in Jerusalem on this Feast Day? Exactly what the "prophet 'Joel" preached! :16 - :20). WHAT had changed from Old Testament Gospel??? THEY MUST "believe ON the Name of the Lord. :21!!! WHO? (All prophets and Fathers had foretold). :22. Ye men of Israel - Jesus of Nazareth......... who did by miracles and wonders and signs in the midst of You. --devout Jews would KNOW prophecy that foretold this would be signs of their 'messiah'!
David Alink: All of this to explain to you THAT the 12 apostles are recorded only going to the Nation of Israel AND only followed the Law of Moses: Acts 2:41 - :42. The apostles Doctrine which was 2:44- :46. sold all - lived with all things common - together AND Moses' LAW = :46 continuing "daily" with one accord ""IN the Temple""! YES, this was an "immense shock to us also. YES; the 12 continues this pattern thru Acts 6:. Acts 7: is Stephen's "record" of the HISTORY of Israel. (( Acts 11:19 confirms THAT was STILL::: to Jews only!!! as does Acts21:17 - :20)) AND that very Supreme Court of Israel were so very wroth with Stephen correctly recording Israel's "sins" and their very own present sins THAT they "stoned Stephen' with their very own hands regardless of KNOWING Stephen had God, the Holy Spirit; :Acts 7:55 ((Math12:31-:32 regardless of Jesu very own WORDS warning them of the "Blaspheme against the "Holy Spirit" CAN NOT BE 'forgiven'"!!! That very Government of Israel cooked their very own future of eternity in Lake of fire. ((Romans 11: explains :7 - :11 Israel hath BEEN 'blinded'! WHY??? :11 - :15! BUT God's 'promise to Israel'; even tho it is NOW on HOLD; will be fulfilled :25 - :27! Now is Ephesians 3:1-:9! (Isn't it amazing what God has given us in His Word! that explains each fact and 'doctrine' of our Lord and God: Jesus Christ? If ONLY we can really READ =Ephesians 6:11-:12 and :13 wherefore!!! -- :17: we alone are responsible to know!!!
My understanding is that the Jews had a spare room that was available for guests.
Wonder where God at guess he's dead and not around for the innocent 😢😢😢😢
Mormons?
No, 2x2, The truth, The friends,The way…some of the many terms used to describe this fellowship. They are between Amish & mennonites that’s how some outsiders see these people. They don’t take an official name for their group of people.
📯🕘⏳⌛; Please on youtube God's Word vs modern day bibles via Truth is Christ and Why So Many Bible versions & Christ Second Coming Separating Facts from fiction & Homestretch via Walter Veith and identity of the little horn power via Amazing Discoveries and who is the man of sin via EvenAtTheDoors
Good choices friend. There are truly 'few' who will come to full surrender hence true freedom in Christ.
Stay the way, the narrow path less traveled. Broad is the way that leadeth unto destruction and most are thereupon.
We must do as Christ said, "deny yourself", gird up our loins with the armor of God... and take up the Sword, daily.