How one feels on this issue basically comes down to if you’re a landowner on the river or not. Each side has good points. My feeling is that all navigable waterways should be open for recreation. Not the sandbars (many stay trashed as it is) and not small creeks and sloughs with the same ownership on both sides. I like to fish these areas and am appreciative of permission where I have it. But the landowner has rights that he’s paid for and should be respected.
My humble opinon is that if i can paddle down it at average water levels its legal to fish it , if i have to walk down it on average water levels its private property . sand bars in the river outside the tree line should be considered part of the river and free to use for camping . Appreciate you guys talking about this ! Miley we only want the South ga swamp and river forcast 😂
I’m pulled lol I mean I think if I’m in the middle of the river if it’s dried up land or sand bar they shouldn’t be able to own that. But when I come out of the river bed so far then it could be trespassing. But also the trouble comes like you said when the river is out the banks it would be a weird situation.
@gillgetter3004 it's usually up to the high water mark in most states. I live near a 29 mile river called the Soque and only 3/4 of a mile is public. The rest is fenced off.
Georgia bassmaster with the reporters on kayaks was hilarious 😂. The issue on the flint is silly and is about money. The flint is a major river in ga. Put up no trespassing signs and keep people off the bank. But let people fish!!
GA takes a very landowner friendly approach to how they define navigable. If anyone has ever trapped furbearers and floated them out for commerce, it is navigable by federal standards. GA says if you can’t take a barge down it it isn’t navigable. I quit buying a fishing license in GA several years ago for this very reason.
@@GABOYOUTDOORS it has come to a head on the Flint recently, but it has been an issue in North GA for years. They will even let landowners stock and feed fish on their private river. It really should be more cut and dry. If you can float a kayak or canoe down it or paddle up it from a public access, you should be able to fish it. Make it from high water mark to high water mark and call it a day. One really messed up example is the Chattahoochee. They allow public access all through the city of Helen. Downstream of Helen it suddenly becomes very private again.
Game warden told me, back in the eighty's, that if water ran through it you could fish it. But if water only ran into it but not out I could not fish it. This was on the Satilla close to the Blackshear bridge.
They need to change the definition of navigable in Georgia. It is ridiculous that someone can block off access to basically any river with 2 plots of land on each side. The current laws cater to rich landowners and private guides, at least up here in North Georgia.
Same down here. Wealthy Landowners have got the county to shut down county maintained roads just to keep people from accessing bridges to fish on the withlacoochee.
I’m torn on this. I don’t think it’s right for someone who owns property on both sides of a navigable body of water to be able to prohibit someone from fishing. As long as they stay in the main run people should be able to fish. I do think access should be limited to the main run. Not the sloughs or creeks that may venture off into the property. I’ve been on both sides. I used to wonder why my granddaddy was so peculiar about who could fish in his pond, who couldn’t. Now that I’m an adult, I understand. My wife’s family owns some property here. People, and society have changed. People don’t respect the property of others anymore. People feel entitled. Nothing makes me angrier than to have to clean up trash behind people on our own property. People in general have a selfish outlook. They don’t know you or need you until the week before dove season or until the bass start to bed. I do believe the reason most landowners act the way they do is because they have been burned in the past. May have gotten off on a tangent, but I believe it’s all related. Folks are the way they are about their property because people are the way they are nowadays.
It's been changing for many of years,I'm 64 and been seeing it change a lot,like yourself I went to the creeks and river to catch fish to eat-nowadaysits catch and release for alot,but I never keep more than I need,as far as closing off fishing rights that stinks,if you don't fight for your rights what will it be like in another 25 years
What Mr. Tony Durden is spot on. I don’t think anyone that owns land on the river should be allowed to stop anyone from fishing. But like he said times and people have changed. We own land on a river and as long as you don’t step out on our land there’s no problem. But I can see this going sideways if we don’t get a grip on it now. Every bank of river is owned by someone if they all said no fishing !!!! Something to think about. I can see both sides.
My Two favorite fishermen,were trying to dry up here in N E FLA. Craig l do a lot of wade fishing in the ST. John's river. Fishing around private docks, l have had people turn water hose on me,cuss me out, make threats, call the law, and almost end up fist fighting. I know it sounds extreme but it happens. People are passionate about what they view as their property well I'm passionate to the extreme about fishing with in the law. This is where conflict arise. Stay safe know your rules,it's hot let's try and get along peace. Word t colt .45, miliy the weather lady, and mom of the family
I agree whiskey that is buy cabin on the river there should be a law saying that you're only allowed to be in the water as soon as you hit the bank your own private property that's how it is kind of here in Florida even though the majority of the water unless it's landlocked being private is navigable water you still can't just get out Kayak Road at somebody's dock or Bank and walk around but like little man said pay attention to the laws
The land owners on the north end of the withlacoochee cut down trees across the river on each of their property lines to make sections of the river nearly impossible to navagate.
Moving to Ga i was blown away to learn that land owners owned to the middle of the river. I think if the river is natural the state should own the river bed to the low water line and the river be public use. Do away with navigable and non and just say if it has public access then the state owns the bed to protect the public in these situations. There are laws in place to protect private land owners if instances occur where strangers leave the river and tresspass on your land.
If you can float it you should fish it. If it’s a natural waterway it should belong to the people of Georgia. Our neighboring states already have these laws. Being a sportsman has become a rich man’s game. It sounds like that’s where you’re leaning.
@@mrdrayman769 thanks for the feedback and great point! And no sir I definitely don’t intend to leaning to the rich man’s side….I’m a poor man myself! Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment!!
I've had one incident here on Lake talquin with my dad years ago we were going to visit a buddies house that has the property on the river has a little canal is navigable water and I had to go pass two different houses to get to our buddies house the one lane owner was probably fine delain on her right next to our buddies house what's a jerk he wanted to say that the water was his and all this other stuff got FWC involved butt what had FWC get involved was not the fact that we were trespassing because the water was navigable from One landing to another they got involved because the owner next to our buddies house came out and threatened to sink our boat and this is when I was 13 maybe 12 Indiana State of Florida as long as you're hunting and fishing you can have your firearm with you well that time I didn't have one I was not old enough to the homeowner got a citation ain't got an education and the laws on the water so I guess it goes back to what you're saying in this video the landowner grab the man's kayak well that's him touching somebody else's property even if it is on his private property if that's how the law reads you got two different situations that you got somebody that's not supposed to be on the property or the water but now you have the landowner technically can be vandalizing or threatening to do harm to buy the fisherman over a simple misunderstanding
I don't get it too much into the political part of it but same things happen here in the state of Florida but from my understanding and how it reads in the rules and regulations that set forth by FWC which I check them every year to see anything changes even if somebody has waterfront property and it's part of their property line are in the property sale they don't actually own the water if it's navigable water meaning you can access it from a boat ramp to another boat ride past the person's house now it's like a private Creek or stream that is considered private property but the rules change in here in Florida every year it's hard to keep up with it just like public land hunting with dogs has changed over the years 1 years one thing the next year is another but truthfully anywhere you go anywhere you fish check your rules and regulations and I do know that especially here in the state of Florida whoever writes the rules and they publisher every year how they write it sometimes makes no sense whatsoever it's like they're writing it in a different language even though it's written in English
How one feels on this issue basically comes down to if you’re a landowner on the river or not. Each side has good points. My feeling is that all navigable waterways should be open for recreation. Not the sandbars (many stay trashed as it is) and not small creeks and sloughs with the same ownership on both sides. I like to fish these areas and am appreciative of permission where I have it. But the landowner has rights that he’s paid for and should be respected.
Well said and Great Points from a man that has spent a pile of time in the Outdoors! Thanks so much Mark!!!
My humble opinon is that if i can paddle down it at average water levels its legal to fish it , if i have to walk down it on average water levels its private property . sand bars in the river outside the tree line should be considered part of the river and free to use for camping . Appreciate you guys talking about this ! Miley we only want the South ga swamp and river forcast 😂
I’m pulled lol I mean I think if I’m in the middle of the river if it’s dried up land or sand bar they shouldn’t be able to own that. But when I come out of the river bed so far then it could be trespassing. But also the trouble comes like you said when the river is out the banks it would be a weird situation.
@@fishinwithforsythe it’s definitely a mess Brother!
In Michigan if it’s navigable you can boat, wade, fish but you can’t get on shore bank etc.
@gillgetter3004 it's usually up to the high water mark in most states. I live near a 29 mile river called the Soque and only 3/4 of a mile is public. The rest is fenced off.
Georgia bassmaster with the reporters on kayaks was hilarious 😂.
The issue on the flint is silly and is about money. The flint is a major river in ga. Put up no trespassing signs and keep people off the bank. But let people fish!!
@@bullseyepete8367 good point Brother!
Thanks for the shout out fellers ! Very great video !
@@Jacobcrews17 yes sir!
GA takes a very landowner friendly approach to how they define navigable. If anyone has ever trapped furbearers and floated them out for commerce, it is navigable by federal standards. GA says if you can’t take a barge down it it isn’t navigable. I quit buying a fishing license in GA several years ago for this very reason.
@@josephsummers5659 I’m afraid it things don’t change a bunch of other folks will stop buying them too.
@@GABOYOUTDOORS it has come to a head on the Flint recently, but it has been an issue in North GA for years. They will even let landowners stock and feed fish on their private river. It really should be more cut and dry. If you can float a kayak or canoe down it or paddle up it from a public access, you should be able to fish it. Make it from high water mark to high water mark and call it a day. One really messed up example is the Chattahoochee. They allow public access all through the city of Helen. Downstream of Helen it suddenly becomes very private again.
Game warden told me, back in the eighty's, that if water ran through it you could fish it. But if water only ran into it but not out I could not fish it. This was on the Satilla close to the Blackshear bridge.
They need to change the definition of navigable in Georgia. It is ridiculous that someone can block off access to basically any river with 2 plots of land on each side. The current laws cater to rich landowners and private guides, at least up here in North Georgia.
Same down here. Wealthy Landowners have got the county to shut down county maintained roads just to keep people from accessing bridges to fish on the withlacoochee.
@@bartfoster1311 I agree we definitely need a more current definition.
Here in Florida the state owns the water. The land owner own the land but the state owns the water. As long I’m not touching land I could fish it.
I’m torn on this. I don’t think it’s right for someone who owns property on both sides of a navigable body of water to be able to prohibit someone from fishing. As long as they stay in the main run people should be able to fish. I do think access should be limited to the main run. Not the sloughs or creeks that may venture off into the property. I’ve been on both sides. I used to wonder why my granddaddy was so peculiar about who could fish in his pond, who couldn’t. Now that I’m an adult, I understand. My wife’s family owns some property here. People, and society have changed. People don’t respect the property of others anymore. People feel entitled. Nothing makes me angrier than to have to clean up trash behind people on our own property. People in general have a selfish outlook. They don’t know you or need you until the week before dove season or until the bass start to bed. I do believe the reason most landowners act the way they do is because they have been burned in the past. May have gotten off on a tangent, but I believe it’s all related. Folks are the way they are about their property because people are the way they are nowadays.
@@TonyDurden-gr7ou well said Brother!
I agree 100%.😊
It's been changing for many of years,I'm 64 and been seeing it change a lot,like yourself I went to the creeks and river to catch fish to eat-nowadaysits catch and release for alot,but I never keep more than I need,as far as closing off fishing rights that stinks,if you don't fight for your rights what will it be like in another 25 years
@@twohandsworking896 the next 25 years is what scares me
What Mr. Tony Durden is spot on. I don’t think anyone that owns land on the river should be allowed to stop anyone from fishing. But like he said times and people have changed. We own land on a river and as long as you don’t step out on our land there’s no problem. But I can see this going sideways if we don’t get a grip on it now. Every bank of river is owned by someone if they all said no fishing !!!! Something to think about. I can see both sides.
@@robertwolfe5707 absolutely agree!
My Two favorite fishermen,were trying to dry up here in N E FLA. Craig l do a lot of wade fishing in the ST. John's river. Fishing around private docks, l have had people turn water hose on me,cuss me out, make threats, call the law, and almost end up fist fighting. I know it sounds extreme but it happens. People are passionate about what they view as their property well I'm passionate to the extreme about fishing with in the law. This is where conflict arise. Stay safe know your rules,it's hot let's try and get along peace. Word t colt .45, miliy the weather lady, and mom of the family
@@darrellbridwell588 thanks Brother and spot on! I think the more we can work together to find solutions…the better! Take care!
Heckuva a fish! GIANT! I appreciate the shout out!
Hi Miley where’s the green screen 😂
I agree whiskey that is buy cabin on the river there should be a law saying that you're only allowed to be in the water as soon as you hit the bank your own private property that's how it is kind of here in Florida even though the majority of the water unless it's landlocked being private is navigable water you still can't just get out Kayak Road at somebody's dock or Bank and walk around but like little man said pay attention to the laws
The land owners on the north end of the withlacoochee cut down trees across the river on each of their property lines to make sections of the river nearly impossible to navagate.
@@jimmyguessjr5690 wow…did not know that…
Moving to Ga i was blown away to learn that land owners owned to the middle of the river. I think if the river is natural the state should own the river bed to the low water line and the river be public use. Do away with navigable and non and just say if it has public access then the state owns the bed to protect the public in these situations. There are laws in place to protect private land owners if instances occur where strangers leave the river and tresspass on your land.
@@MichaelCarroll-n4w good point brother!
I say stay in the banks/bed of the river regardless if you can run a barge down it or walk it
I know all about the mowing grass being hot part
@@jimmyguessjr5690 you ain’t lying!
If you can float it you should fish it. If it’s a natural waterway it should belong to the people of Georgia. Our neighboring states already have these laws. Being a sportsman has become a rich man’s game. It sounds like that’s where you’re leaning.
@@mrdrayman769 thanks for the feedback and great point! And no sir I definitely don’t intend to leaning to the rich man’s side….I’m a poor man myself! Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment!!
I've had one incident here on Lake talquin with my dad years ago we were going to visit a buddies house that has the property on the river has a little canal is navigable water and I had to go pass two different houses to get to our buddies house the one lane owner was probably fine delain on her right next to our buddies house what's a jerk he wanted to say that the water was his and all this other stuff got FWC involved butt what had FWC get involved was not the fact that we were trespassing because the water was navigable from One landing to another they got involved because the owner next to our buddies house came out and threatened to sink our boat and this is when I was 13 maybe 12 Indiana State of Florida as long as you're hunting and fishing you can have your firearm with you well that time I didn't have one I was not old enough to the homeowner got a citation ain't got an education and the laws on the water so I guess it goes back to what you're saying in this video the landowner grab the man's kayak well that's him touching somebody else's property even if it is on his private property if that's how the law reads you got two different situations that you got somebody that's not supposed to be on the property or the water but now you have the landowner technically can be vandalizing or threatening to do harm to buy the fisherman over a simple misunderstanding
@@livinglifeoutdoors0419 yes sir 💯
I don't get it too much into the political part of it but same things happen here in the state of Florida but from my understanding and how it reads in the rules and regulations that set forth by FWC which I check them every year to see anything changes even if somebody has waterfront property and it's part of their property line are in the property sale they don't actually own the water if it's navigable water meaning you can access it from a boat ramp to another boat ride past the person's house now it's like a private Creek or stream that is considered private property but the rules change in here in Florida every year it's hard to keep up with it just like public land hunting with dogs has changed over the years 1 years one thing the next year is another but truthfully anywhere you go anywhere you fish check your rules and regulations and I do know that especially here in the state of Florida whoever writes the rules and they publisher every year how they write it sometimes makes no sense whatsoever it's like they're writing it in a different language even though it's written in English
There ain’t no dang green screen!!! 😂😂😂😂
How is she an honor student…
She is so lost
@@brandy1106. 😂😂