I think the reason why there was no play or highscore data is that most arcade games don't keep save data after they're turned off or unplugged. Like I know at least most older arcade machines once you unplugged the console it would lose it's highscores
By the time of the Naomi, that had pretty much stopped. What would the point of all those bookkeeping screens be if you had to check them every single day because they'll get wiped when you turn the machine off?
It's probably because it was held in battery-backed SRAM, and that only works for as long as the little button battery lasts. Once the battery is dead, the data will be wiped when the power is turned off.
I believe a lot of arcade games were just kept on 24/7, though I'd still expect the Naomi to store bookkeeping data/high scores in some sort of non-volitaile storage, likely on the cartridge itself
Puyo Puyo Fever/Puyo Pop Fever also have a NAOMI port and it saves the data. How I know is that when I run it in a Flycast emulator, the rankings remains saved.
The reason you're seeing issues with the graphics and issues getting the system to load is likely dirty and improper contacts. Take some compressed air and clean the contacts on the MB and the cartridge, or use a QTip and some isopropyl alcohol to clean them. Then, the cartridge is actually meant to be held to the MB with screws. I don't know what size they are, but screwing the cartridge in will help it make better contact with the MB and might help some of the weird issues.
He just needs to resync his monitor in the monitor settings. The video coming from the console is perfect. His monitor just didn't get a chance to initialize the game's video signal.
If there was anyone who was ever going to drop a ton of money to buy the things necessary to make a video documenting the Rhythm Tengoku Arcade machine, it would be you. Thank you for your contribution to the Rhythm Heaven community. Every ounce of your excitement shined through in this video, and it makes me smile.
I was fortunate enough to play the arcade cabinet at Super Smash Con last summer. The title screen was super burned into the screen but it was very fun to play Tengoku in that way
i played that same cabinet at this past summer's Smash Con, i can confirm that the title screen was still a little burned into the screen lmao but it was very fun to play in 2P vs with my friend
Played this in Arcade Club Bury UK. Quite funny how they said screw it and just put the GBA controls onto an arcade unit instead of having a unique input method like most arcade rhythm games.
So I finally went for my birthday and it's so cool. Played a bit of Rhythm Tengoku and I more or less spent most of my time with the rhythm and dance machines.
Something I've wondered about Rhythm Tengoku's arcade version, is why it hasn't yet been subject to an English fan translation… Sure there's already "Rhythm Heaven Silver" but like, maybe someone could port that stuff to the arcade board, mash in the official efforts from Megamix, and on top be a fully finished translation?
Very cool. The tempo increase versions seem as fast as Remix 8 of Rhythm Heaven DS. Tengoku is a fine entry though for the first game and seeing the arcade version is pretty cool. But yeah Megamix having them added as a mod would be interesting.
@@RaymanSingsSexbomb Well, yeah, AV means audio-video, but if you're using a hi-fi. there's no video involved. RCA stands for "Radio Company of America", it was standardised by them. While here in europe we used 5-pin DIN plugs. (DIN stands for Deutsches Institut für Normung - German institute for standardization). In the US the Commodore 64 uses that plug for video out for example, or any synthesizer with MIDI capabilities. Meanwhile for AV we used SCART (which stands for Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs - Syndicate of Manufacturers of Radio Receivers) - a french standard, that supports RGB right out of the box. And in fact the only Nintendo 64 consoles that support RGB are the european colored variants.
@@pizzacade8594 They're not. "Composite" doesn't apply for audio. And component (a.k.a. RGB), which is the opposite of composite uses the same type of plug.
@@ElectroPotato Not true. Regardless of region or revision, there is no N64 console that supports RGB output without modification. The only discrepancies in video output between regions and revisions of N64 consoles is that some PAL models don't support S-Video.
I got the chance to play this in SF's Japantown, where there was this really cool arcade with many Japanese arcade games such as this and Taiko No Tatsujin. Sadly they have shut down over the pandemic, but it was cool when they were around.
I used to love playing that and the Pop N machines there. I miss that arcade so much... Btw, you ever try the crepe and takoyaki places across from it?
They had the game here at Round1 in Greensboro North Carolina for a little while and got to play it then! So mad at myself for not playing the tempo up stages before it was removed!
@@GAZZ707 probably because access to the cart that holds the game for arcades is substantially harder to come by than the GBA carts, given that he mentions they're going for around 400$ USD these days, and the Rhythm Heaven fandom is relatively small
ah, the sega naomi and, arcade stuff in general are fun, yeah,, JVS is a fun time and a half, JVS i/o boards are,,, fun, awesome to see this game having a bit of life in this form, super cool! if you'd consider looking into it sometime, there's a type of board for the naomi called the netdimm, which, when combined with certain game backups and an external computer, can pretty much let you load games remotely from another device without having to physically unscrew and swap out the cartridges! ...unfortunately they also tend to go for a couple hundred dollars last i saw, given they're a board that was only "needed" for a few naomi games to begin with, iirc...
Those power supply terminals are low voltage, like 5 and 12 volts… same as most DC powered electronics. You know, most game console power adapters had exposed positive terminals (tip/center negative) from the ‘80s thru early ‘90s but I don’t see anyone rushing to tape up their Super Famicom, Sega Genesis, or Atari Jaguar power supply. ;)
Loved the video, I actually have always been a rhythm game fan (DDR mostly) but I never heard of this one! I have a bunch of old school emulators on my gaming PC, so I will definitely check it out 😁
this is a super cool video! i played the actual cabinet at a convention not too long ago and it was really fun. i might get a Naomi board soon because i love sega stuff.
That PSU is a fire hazard. 🔥 Naomi is awesome though, is there not a disc drive available for it, or maybe the disc version was a different machine ? As I understand it, it's literally a dreamcast with much more RAM, but I know NAOMI and Dreamcast discs don't work with each other.
I'm surprised that the input lag is almost non-existent, considering that you're using an HD television instead of CRT. Even trying to play the GBA game on my laptop is nearly impossible.
Remembering the Rhythm Tengoku arcade port exists makes me wish Nintendo had an Arcade VC. Would be fun to play the original Donkey Kong, Mario Bros, and Rhythm Heaven on Switch
Fun Fact: The Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven were actually going to be in Super Smash Bros during the 3DS/Wii U days. However they were ultimately removed from planning because Sakurai didn't know how he could implement timing/rhythm based moves into a character's standard moveset. (Donkey Kong's final smash in SSB4 is different because its a final smash and not a standard move) A lot of people theorize that Incineroar was added because his side b was made as a template for the Smash team to test what a timing-based move in Smash would look like, to see if Chorus Kids could be a valid addition to a future Smash game (if there ever is another one)
I believe Online Play and Lag also started to mainly catch up for Smash 3DS/Wii U too, which would ultimately mess up not only Rhythm based Movesets, but most likely in Rhythm Heaven's case, a Rhythm based moveset relying on audio cues, as Sakurai likes to stay as true to a character's origins as much as possible. Poor Kiddos :[
It's fine. Arcade power supply are wired the same way. That's more or less a Arcade PSU or a universal PSU which would also be the same if it outputs the right voltage. -5v. +5v. +12v are all jamma standards.
Also power button's are noramlly ran on inline switch to cut power to the board but also retain memory for high scores for boards without battery back up.
24:04 yes hi it is me look only me and don't look for better footage out there! anyway, congrats on your arcade---home... game? very good video. I'd already throw something out of desperation if the naomi took like 4 tries to boot up lmao
So jealous! Getting one of these is on my bucket list too. It's cool seeing how excited you were getting the game set up. Us Rhythm Heaven fans are small in number but huge in dedication to the series it seems :D
I like it but I think your video about Naomi took only until September 18, 2022, just like at 16:31 and 17:03 the question is how much did you cost including the Sega Naomi?
They have one of these machines at my local arcade, so sometimes I forget they are super rare. Super cool to see it in this state, and the absolute enthusiasm on display is intoxicating.
@@souptwom yeah it would require a lot of rework due to hardware differences between both platforms although games running on Atomiswave can and have been easily ported over with little effort which is cool to see
@@Bro3256 The main difference between NAOMI and Dreamcast games are their storage mediums, similar to the ST-V with the Saturn. Some Saturn ports of ST-V games actually had some issues with load times due to them leveraging the ST-V’s faster data transfer speeds(e.g. Die Hard Arcade)
What a time to be alive as a Rhythm Heaven fan indeed… using an Xbox controller to control a Sega port of a Nintendo game.
I think the reason why there was no play or highscore data is that most arcade games don't keep save data after they're turned off or unplugged. Like I know at least most older arcade machines once you unplugged the console it would lose it's highscores
By the time of the Naomi, that had pretty much stopped. What would the point of all those bookkeeping screens be if you had to check them every single day because they'll get wiped when you turn the machine off?
It's probably because it was held in battery-backed SRAM, and that only works for as long as the little button battery lasts. Once the battery is dead, the data will be wiped when the power is turned off.
I believe a lot of arcade games were just kept on 24/7, though I'd still expect the Naomi to store bookkeeping data/high scores in some sort of non-volitaile storage, likely on the cartridge itself
Puyo Puyo Fever/Puyo Pop Fever also have a NAOMI port and it saves the data. How I know is that when I run it in a Flycast emulator, the rankings remains saved.
There’s a button cell battery on the main board for keeping data, but that likely died.
The reason you're seeing issues with the graphics and issues getting the system to load is likely dirty and improper contacts. Take some compressed air and clean the contacts on the MB and the cartridge, or use a QTip and some isopropyl alcohol to clean them. Then, the cartridge is actually meant to be held to the MB with screws. I don't know what size they are, but screwing the cartridge in will help it make better contact with the MB and might help some of the weird issues.
He just needs to resync his monitor in the monitor settings. The video coming from the console is perfect. His monitor just didn't get a chance to initialize the game's video signal.
We have a Rhythm Tengoku at our local Round1. I enjoy playing it every once in a while. :D
what state? ive been dying to play this cabinet
@@cryingbaby23it’s gotta be Atlanta. A while ago I saw several comments mentioning one being at the Atlanta Round1
If there was anyone who was ever going to drop a ton of money to buy the things necessary to make a video documenting the Rhythm Tengoku Arcade machine, it would be you. Thank you for your contribution to the Rhythm Heaven community. Every ounce of your excitement shined through in this video, and it makes me smile.
I was fortunate enough to play the arcade cabinet at Super Smash Con last summer. The title screen was super burned into the screen but it was very fun to play Tengoku in that way
i played that same cabinet at this past summer's Smash Con, i can confirm that the title screen was still a little burned into the screen lmao but it was very fun to play in 2P vs with my friend
There has been mods for Megamix porting iirc EVERY Tempo Up! game, alongside a Tengoku mod of a custom Set 2 Tempo Up! on GBA
my first experience with Naomi hardware was playing Mushiking at Jumpin USA during childhood,the whole thing is amazing
Played this in Arcade Club Bury UK. Quite funny how they said screw it and just put the GBA controls onto an arcade unit instead of having a unique input method like most arcade rhythm games.
God, I do need to go there at some point. I'm only a couple of towns away!
So I finally went for my birthday and it's so cool. Played a bit of Rhythm Tengoku and I more or less spent most of my time with the rhythm and dance machines.
can we talk about the resolution? the scaling looks amazing compared to the gba version!
it was on an arcade machine, which is larger than a game boy advance and thus if the device is larger, so are the graphics
Something I've wondered about Rhythm Tengoku's arcade version, is why it hasn't yet been subject to an English fan translation… Sure there's already "Rhythm Heaven Silver" but like, maybe someone could port that stuff to the arcade board, mash in the official efforts from Megamix, and on top be a fully finished translation?
There is a cabinet at the RoundOne in foxValley mall in Illinois it was so random I never expected to see one there.
Very cool. The tempo increase versions seem as fast as Remix 8 of Rhythm Heaven DS. Tengoku is a fine entry though for the first game and seeing the arcade version is pretty cool. But yeah Megamix having them added as a mod would be interesting.
Watching this after messing around with a Sega Lindbergh lately is quite fun
He did surgery on a Sega Naomi
Pro tip: those "composite" plugs are called RCA plugs
Same thing.
i always just called them "av cables"
@@RaymanSingsSexbomb Well, yeah, AV means audio-video, but if you're using a hi-fi. there's no video involved.
RCA stands for "Radio Company of America", it was standardised by them. While here in europe we used 5-pin DIN plugs. (DIN stands for Deutsches Institut für Normung - German institute for standardization). In the US the Commodore 64 uses that plug for video out for example, or any synthesizer with MIDI capabilities.
Meanwhile for AV we used SCART (which stands for Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs - Syndicate of Manufacturers of Radio Receivers) - a french standard, that supports RGB right out of the box. And in fact the only Nintendo 64 consoles that support RGB are the european colored variants.
@@pizzacade8594 They're not. "Composite" doesn't apply for audio. And component (a.k.a. RGB), which is the opposite of composite uses the same type of plug.
@@ElectroPotato Not true.
Regardless of region or revision, there is no N64 console that supports RGB output without modification.
The only discrepancies in video output between regions and revisions of N64 consoles is that some PAL models don't support S-Video.
He revealed all of the FNAF lore at 12:23
31:28 literally me playing rhythm heaven for the first time:
I got the chance to play this in SF's Japantown, where there was this really cool arcade with many Japanese arcade games such as this and Taiko No Tatsujin. Sadly they have shut down over the pandemic, but it was cool when they were around.
I used to love playing that and the Pop N machines there. I miss that arcade so much... Btw, you ever try the crepe and takoyaki places across from it?
@@DeenHoward I have not tried the takoyaki, but I have the crepes. They're great!
I have a few family members in SF and hadn't been back till this past July, I was very upset to see that the arcade shut down :(
They had the game here at Round1 in Greensboro North Carolina for a little while and got to play it then! So mad at myself for not playing the tempo up stages before it was removed!
I wish this arcade version was made in English.
Yes Same here as well I don't know why fans haven't still not translated the arcade version yet but they have translated the GBA version 😔
@@GAZZ707 probably because access to the cart that holds the game for arcades is substantially harder to come by than the GBA carts, given that he mentions they're going for around 400$ USD these days, and the Rhythm Heaven fandom is relatively small
@@luigifan4585 interesting, I still really hope that the arcade version gets translated into english someday 🙂👍
oh yes i love rhythm heaven!
⭐️⭐️🎵🐵 is such a butiful name
ah, the sega naomi and, arcade stuff in general are fun, yeah,,
JVS is a fun time and a half, JVS i/o boards are,,, fun,
awesome to see this game having a bit of life in this form, super cool! if you'd consider looking into it sometime, there's a type of board for the naomi called the netdimm, which, when combined with certain game backups and an external computer, can pretty much let you load games remotely from another device without having to physically unscrew and swap out the cartridges! ...unfortunately they also tend to go for a couple hundred dollars last i saw, given they're a board that was only "needed" for a few naomi games to begin with, iirc...
imagine if all the sections had a Tempo-Up.
Remix 6 Tempo-Up
Those power supply terminals are low voltage, like 5 and 12 volts… same as most DC powered electronics. You know, most game console power adapters had exposed positive terminals (tip/center negative) from the ‘80s thru early ‘90s but I don’t see anyone rushing to tape up their Super Famicom, Sega Genesis, or Atari Jaguar power supply. ;)
Loved the video, I actually have always been a rhythm game fan (DDR mostly) but I never heard of this one! I have a bunch of old school emulators on my gaming PC, so I will definitely check it out 😁
this is a super cool video! i played the actual cabinet at a convention not too long ago and it was really fun. i might get a Naomi board soon because i love sega stuff.
That PSU is a fire hazard. 🔥 Naomi is awesome though, is there not a disc drive available for it, or maybe the disc version was a different machine ? As I understand it, it's literally a dreamcast with much more RAM, but I know NAOMI and Dreamcast discs don't work with each other.
if i remember correctly, the NAOMI 2 had a GD-ROM drive that would plug into the cartridge slot and allowed disc based games to be played.
"seen a cabinet in person in 2016" Damn, I feel really lucky to have played this a bunch in Bury.
I'm surprised that the input lag is almost non-existent, considering that you're using an HD television instead of CRT. Even trying to play the GBA game on my laptop is nearly impossible.
This is why we have Mame.
Do a Naomi Netdimm Pi setup next 👍
I/O BOARD IS NOT CONNECTED TO NAOMI BOARD
Remembering the Rhythm Tengoku arcade port exists makes me wish Nintendo had an Arcade VC. Would be fun to play the original Donkey Kong, Mario Bros, and Rhythm Heaven on Switch
the setup is so suspenseful to watch 😭
30:38 thank you for telling me what these are, I've always been curious
Fun Fact: The Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven were actually going to be in Super Smash Bros during the 3DS/Wii U days. However they were ultimately removed from planning because Sakurai didn't know how he could implement timing/rhythm based moves into a character's standard moveset. (Donkey Kong's final smash in SSB4 is different because its a final smash and not a standard move) A lot of people theorize that Incineroar was added because his side b was made as a template for the Smash team to test what a timing-based move in Smash would look like, to see if Chorus Kids could be a valid addition to a future Smash game (if there ever is another one)
Wasn't it Marshal from Fever?
I believe Online Play and Lag also started to mainly catch up for Smash 3DS/Wii U too, which would ultimately mess up not only Rhythm based Movesets, but most likely in Rhythm Heaven's case, a Rhythm based moveset relying on audio cues, as Sakurai likes to stay as true to a character's origins as much as possible. Poor Kiddos :[
i forget, but a lot of this may just be fan speculation 🤷♀️
I've never heard of Sakurai commenting on that before. Where did he say this?
@@J-D03 I believe it was in Source Gaming's "Characters That Were Cut From Smash 4" video. Where its originally from however idk
It's fine. Arcade power supply are wired the same way. That's more or less a Arcade PSU or a universal PSU which would also be the same if it outputs the right voltage. -5v. +5v. +12v are all jamma standards.
Also power button's are noramlly ran on inline switch to cut power to the board but also retain memory for high scores for boards without battery back up.
Why are you so cracked in rhythm heaven? Props for you
29:39 transalate
"Oshimai," which roughly translates to "the end."
Imagine Nintendo saying "screw it" and letting SEGA port this game to the Dreamcast
Ive actually played the arcade version, however my local round 1 had put it away.
Where is that
Your local one I mean
I'm surprised that all the settings menus are in English. I've heard Naomi emulation is pretty good nowadays, maybe I should look into the library
YOUR NEW INTRO IS BEAUTIFUL
What a cool little device.
Are the power connectors not just a standard 8+6pin connector, used in most modern power supplies?
24:04 yes hi it is me look only me and don't look for better footage out there!
anyway, congrats on your arcade---home... game? very good video. I'd already throw something out of desperation if the naomi took like 4 tries to boot up lmao
Oh yeah there's one at the round 1 I go to
Congratulations!!!!!
Wait wait, is it literally just rhythm tengoku? I grew up with the DS game and just recently discovered the GBA game!
YOU DID IT!!! YES!! :D
you are a madlad. HOW. DID YOU. GET THIS?
Which stylus do you use on 3ds
Now I need to find one lmao
Hong Kong Voltage best band name ever I call it!!
I always wondered how difficult it would be to put together a functioning Naomi, this video is super helpful~
Can you make the english fan transtlation paz?
So jealous! Getting one of these is on my bucket list too. It's cool seeing how excited you were getting the game set up. Us Rhythm Heaven fans are small in number but huge in dedication to the series it seems :D
I like it but I think your video about Naomi took only until September 18, 2022, just like at 16:31 and 17:03 the question is how much did you cost including the Sega Naomi?
Things of Craziness is better for this
Sega Naomi my beloved.
Now get mvc2
all my Nahomies
I really thought I was gonna get rickrolled
Where i can buy this rhythm tengoku arcade ?
Rhythm tengoku hd?
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Bluey
nice my dream
They have one of these machines at my local arcade, so sometimes I forget they are super rare.
Super cool to see it in this state, and the absolute enthusiasm on display is intoxicating.
24:59 can someone translate
In the gba version of rhythm tengoku it says “just *OK”*
19:20 then why is it not in japanese
Probably to discourage English-speaking importers at the time the game would've been new
What if you did a video about sony or sega or mircosoft
Hey you got it backwards the Dreamcast is based off of the Naomi so they could port the arcade games to the consoles easily
really bad visual graphics on this one
or you could use mame
could of zeroed out when wasnt seated right.
i hope that this NAOMI will be good for linking other games too, because it is too weird seeing one real NAOMI board waste for that cheap software...
This is the 69th comment.🤗
No one cares you bot
you could've emulated.
you probably have a reason why not. idk. i'm not watching the video lol.
This is so sick ;D
I love that I can learn even more about a series I love and am happy tengoku arcade is being documented
Hey you got it backwards the Dreamcast is based off of the Naomi so they could port the arcade games to the consoles easily
So hypothetically someone could port Rhythem Tengoku to Dreamcast?
@@Ihartwalrusguy it’s a possibility but it could be a bit hard
@@souptwom yeah it would require a lot of rework due to hardware differences between both platforms
although games running on Atomiswave can and have been easily ported over with little effort which is cool to see
@@souptwom Considering that Dreamcast emulators frequently support NAOMI and Atomiswave games, it’s doable.
@@Bro3256 The main difference between NAOMI and Dreamcast games are their storage mediums, similar to the ST-V with the Saturn. Some Saturn ports of ST-V games actually had some issues with load times due to them leveraging the ST-V’s faster data transfer speeds(e.g. Die Hard Arcade)