I think most people who just ride as a hobby wouldn't really tell the difference compared to someone who has specific preferences and rides at a higher level.
That’s always the case but people also want to know about how the different technologies feel and work. Trying to educate the general boogie community.
Valuable feedback here, thank you. I have been contemplating a quad channel for a while, but now I know I will probably only ride it when I want more speed on a faster wave, which will not be that often. My riding style is more about stalls and messing around in the sweet spot. I will pick one up eventually, though.
Thanks so much for this video. Since I started riding quad channels I've bean struggling to control my board in the pocket or hit more tricky sections because my board slips out a lot and loses it's line and speed. I thought i just lost the right technique but now I realize it definitely from the quad channels wich on my board are also very shallow.
For me it feels like I have more speed with quad vent/ sci-five. But I don’t have as much control but idk if that is from my usual 2 channels has a crescent tail and quad vent has a bat tail. Rail control on the barrel is a little more harder but once u master it, u can have an amazing time with it for me I like it bc I like the speed I get since on reef I can drop in late and still get in the barrel. It all depends where u surf bc it you have more time to ride and want to stay in pocket and more control the normal channels might be good enough or more favorable
Thanks Iain! I accidentally bought a quad channel board but stoked to test it out. Not advanced at all, so probably won't feel anything, but good to know that there are some nuances. As others said, you were def killing it on both boards
Appreciate that. I don’t think the board is at all bad but just not sure it’s the best for me. It’s a super fast board and will work super well in fast barrelling places. So enjoy it 🤙🏼
ya it should be slower. channel bottom have more surface area the water covers creating more friction. also there is less flotation from core foam deleted for the channels. im from way back so remember when many boards didn't have channels and lots of riders were against them for these reasons. Tom morey really nailed it first shot
other than subtle changes, mostly the bodyboard shape hasn't really changed much since the beginning. there was a good article about board shape and channels and materials and manufacturing methods in bodyboarding magazine in the late 80s early 90s a discussion between mike Stewart, Ben severson, and jp Paterson.
Thanks for the info, been wondering if there was more grip for bottom turning and pumping riding dk than parallel channels. Right on, you saved me a couple hundred dollars
Thanks Iain that actually confirms my feelings toward the quad concave channels, I have one and it feels at times that I really need to work hard to keep my line - on some sections I've literally slid out which is very odd. I just got a vented quad can't wait to try it looks far more suttle and familiar (not nearly as dramatic as the concave), hoping it will provide that extra bit of lift without the "negative side effects". All fun though nice to see manufacturers try new things, each to their own I suppose. Well done on a super year, always great to follow your progress and the cool vids on youtube. Best wishes man
Thanks for your honesty Iain! Makes sense with yr explanation that the quad channels are not working for yr style. I've been riding a quad for a year and love it for down the line speed. I also have boards with no channels that I love. I wish more brands would try to make a step rail. Extremely fast with a straight tail.
Man, great content🔥. And you've nailed it. I only use the quad for surgery reef slabs or long fast barrelling waves. On a beachy wedge under 4ft it's not the best for my style as I'm fighting against it to do any type of forward or reverse spin. Good for the quiver but not the workhorse for those specific days of just wanting to throw some tail around. Keep inspiring bru👊🏽
I Understand 4 Channels boards have been out for a while, I used to have Manta Shotgun with 4 channels like 20+ years ago, I have not used quad channels board but I understand should be similar, I wonder why somehow they stop doing that type of boards. Now quad channels has become a trend.
I used a channeled board by BZ back in 1984 - sounds like the same problems exist - still consider larger waves as a channeled board allows you to overcome rough sections on larger faster waves - this is a good board for people needed more hand holding when transitioning from small and medium sized swells to larger and faster breaks. This board is good for days you decide not to expend much energy with less in the pocket railing.
@@iaincampbell_ really at your level changes in board design definitely affect your performance. Maybe that is the benefit of being a mediocre rider like me - lol - I would love to see you make one off boards and test them and share your thoughts - I think there is still room for new designs and tweaks to provide riders specific experiences for different occasions
Ian I am looking for a non quad board. Been riding a quad for 2 years and went back to my standard. All the top shelf boards seem to be quad these days. Any recommendations. Has to have good float. My quad didnt float me well at 85kg and 5/11 on a 42.5@@iaincampbell_
@@danb8877 hi Dan, that’s pretty strange that you felt that way. I’m not far off your size, 81kgs and 6ft and I ride a 42 inch board with no problems. Might just be the board you are riding and the thickness that they make them. Some boards come out a bit thinner than others.
After speaking to a shop it's a lower volume board. I just ordered a HandPicked 42 with higher volume and slotted channels. Will be ready for bali in a few weeks. Keep pushing out content mate we all love it and I really appreciate your response. Thank you.@@iaincampbell_
Thanks for the review. Those who have tested feel in your description what happens with the board Please accept invitation on your facebook page community
Good morning young prodigy! Hope you’re having a great rest of your year! Without even trying it I am not a fan of that quad set up. I’m sure for some. It’ll work out just perfectly with whatever they do/their style of body boarding. But personally dual channels are plenty sufficient in my opinion. I feel this quad set up is only going to appeal to those looking for down the line drive type body boarding. Always good to see you, sir Aloha from Kauai Hawaii
Agreed, I think it’s good to try and innovate in the sport and see what we can try change. This is just my honest opinion on how they feel for me. Hope you’re well 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Channels are superior in any surf craft. They are in fact a concave, but with multiple edges so you get the "grip" and "punch" in turns as well. They work especially well running off into flyers on the rail.
You should try single to double concave ...it's a middle ground between the two ..like you say the quads quicker then a quick thing but the bite factor ..yet on a traditional channel board you miss the speed but the control is there A single to double concave is the best of both worlds
I cannot. I haven’t ridden any other brands. I’m contracted to riding Sniper Bodyboards since the start of 2018 and I make sure I don’t ride any other brands.
It’s not about where the boards are made but more about which brands own which technology. Pride owns the SDC tech so it can’t simply be put on the Sniper boards. Broady is the manufacturer and don’t share certain tech between brands…
Yes but for a user perspective it's all about branding, communication and marketing. Most of all from same manufacturer same weird things like reverse rocker with time especially in warm weather and others ...
Not much experience, but I felt a bit the same. Is it possible that the looseness felt when engaging rail could just be the feeling the outer channels losing flow? Seems like what you gain down the face and on the bottom turn you lose when you rail for extended time.
After seeing Jeff with boosting massive airs at pipeline & turbo speed I was thinking to try one . My radial flex pride feel great after landing airs is like extra cushion the problem pride board are to slim for me , maybe the team riders have little hands 😂🤙🏽
ive seen him ride while I would be out at sandys beach. it would be 2 ft ripples and he still would bust massive airs somehow. he has to have some secret knowledge or something it defies physics. he could probably launch on a mcdonald's tray.
Howzit Iain, I rode a Quad channel for the first time in Portugal last week. The speed feels amazing but took a while to control it on the turns. Great review! Would be interested if you still enjoy riding it. Maybe for certain types of waves or wave size?
Shame as some of the quad channel boards are less extreme contours compared to your ones which may offer a slightly different ride and handling? Then you may know if it is a quad issue that you are experiencing or a sniper quad issue.
I am far from being able to judge differences, but isnt it useful to get adjusted to it to be able to use it in waves/contests where the speed is needed?
After riding a bodyboard for 20+ years as a professional I can tell that some boards aren’t working for me. It’s more than just adjusting to the board… it’s about how it feels in the water and what you can do on it when you ride.
@@iaincampbell_ That´s a sincere answer. The Surfboard industry seems to go down a different route as every beginner should buy 5 different boards to be able to surf all different kinds of whitewater 😃
I’m not telling you this in the hopes to sell product. All I want to do with these videos is educate as well as help you be a better bodyboarder and enjoy the ocean.
Champion, change the 45/55 rail cut to 60/40 or 50/50. ...you might want to go a inch shorter because technology allows for more floatation. Thank you to the person in our community that helped our sport grow.
I think there are many ideas of how to try and change boards and make them work, however, I am happy with how my boards feel. Just need some slight adjustments! Inch shorter is way too much. I tried a quarter inch and it felt like I had lost half my board 🤣
Dude, you were ripping on both!
Thanks but the feeling is definitely different!
I think most people who just ride as a hobby wouldn't really tell the difference compared to someone who has specific preferences and rides at a higher level.
That’s always the case but people also want to know about how the different technologies feel and work. Trying to educate the general boogie community.
Your totally right about the speed, it's actually pretty hard to control sometimes.
Valuable feedback here, thank you. I have been contemplating a quad channel for a while, but now I know I will probably only ride it when I want more speed on a faster wave, which will not be that often. My riding style is more about stalls and messing around in the sweet spot. I will pick one up eventually, though.
Thanks Iian for including a review of how the quad performed in drop knee, much appreciated.
🤙🏼🤙🏼
One of the most heartfelt videos I've ever seen. Thanks a lot!
Glad you enjoyed it!
i also slip out when I'm out on my boog, a nomad quad and it gets annoying but its fast and fun
Thanks so much for this video.
Since I started riding quad channels I've bean struggling to control my board in the pocket or hit more tricky sections because my board slips out a lot and loses it's line and speed.
I thought i just lost the right technique but now I realize it definitely from the quad channels wich on my board are also very shallow.
Yes I think this is maybe something we need to learn on at in the design… more R&D on the way.
For me it feels like I have more speed with quad vent/ sci-five. But I don’t have as much control but idk if that is from my usual 2 channels has a crescent tail and quad vent has a bat tail. Rail control on the barrel is a little more harder but once u master it, u can have an amazing time with it for me I like it bc I like the speed I get since on reef I can drop in late and still get in the barrel. It all depends where u surf bc it you have more time to ride and want to stay in pocket and more control the normal channels might be good enough or more favorable
Thank you so much for clearing this up. I use quad channels because my local is a super fast barreling wave.
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Thanks for reviewing the two.
Thanks Iain! I accidentally bought a quad channel board but stoked to test it out. Not advanced at all, so probably won't feel anything, but good to know that there are some nuances. As others said, you were def killing it on both boards
Appreciate that. I don’t think the board is at all bad but just not sure it’s the best for me. It’s a super fast board and will work super well in fast barrelling places. So enjoy it 🤙🏼
For quad channels it feels a bit better while on prone… i feel like it gives me more control over my board but when trying to dk it feels unstable
I got a Hubb sci-five and dang that thing is fast!
Quad channels are amazing. Dave and Jeff Hubbard were the first to really kick these out in mass.
NMD started the trend and we all followed.
Great, detailed video, Iain, Thanks
Very welcome
ya it should be slower. channel bottom have more surface area the water covers creating more friction. also there is less flotation from core foam deleted for the channels. im from way back so remember when many boards didn't have channels and lots of riders were against them for these reasons. Tom morey really nailed it first shot
other than subtle changes, mostly the bodyboard shape hasn't really changed much since the beginning. there was a good article about board shape and channels and materials and manufacturing methods in bodyboarding magazine in the late 80s early 90s a discussion between mike Stewart, Ben severson, and jp Paterson.
Thanks for the info, been wondering if there was more grip for bottom turning and pumping riding dk than parallel channels. Right on, you saved me a couple hundred dollars
Stoked I could help bru.
Thanks Iain that actually confirms my feelings toward the quad concave channels, I have one and it feels at times that I really need to work hard to keep my line - on some sections I've literally slid out which is very odd. I just got a vented quad can't wait to try it looks far more suttle and familiar (not nearly as dramatic as the concave), hoping it will provide that extra bit of lift without the "negative side effects". All fun though nice to see manufacturers try new things, each to their own I suppose. Well done on a super year, always great to follow your progress and the cool vids on youtube. Best wishes man
Thanks so much. Appreciate the comments and support 🙏🏼🤙🏼
Great review and specific feedback on the Quad. I understand my own boards better as a result. Aloha!
That’s what I am going for with these videos. Thanks 🙏🏼
Thanks for your honesty Iain! Makes sense with yr explanation that the quad channels are not working for yr style. I've been riding a quad for a year and love it for down the line speed. I also have boards with no channels that I love. I wish more brands would try to make a step rail. Extremely fast with a straight tail.
Yeah, if only it was cheaper to test all these boards for the brand. Problem is running small batch production costs a lot more.
Man, great content🔥. And you've nailed it. I only use the quad for surgery reef slabs or long fast barrelling waves. On a beachy wedge under 4ft it's not the best for my style as I'm fighting against it to do any type of forward or reverse spin. Good for the quiver but not the workhorse for those specific days of just wanting to throw some tail around. Keep inspiring bru👊🏽
Agreed!! 🤙🏼🤙🏼
I Understand 4 Channels boards have been out for a while, I used to have Manta Shotgun with 4 channels like 20+ years ago, I have not used quad channels board but I understand should be similar, I wonder why somehow they stop doing that type of boards. Now quad channels has become a trend.
I used a channeled board by BZ back in 1984 - sounds like the same problems exist - still consider larger waves as a channeled board allows you to overcome rough sections on larger faster waves - this is a good board for people needed more hand holding when transitioning from small and medium sized swells to larger and faster breaks. This board is good for days you decide not to expend much energy with less in the pocket railing.
Going to take a lot for me to get back on the quad but I am tempted to give it another try!
@@iaincampbell_ really at your level changes in board design definitely affect your performance. Maybe that is the benefit of being a mediocre rider like me - lol - I would love to see you make one off boards and test them and share your thoughts - I think there is still room for new designs and tweaks to provide riders specific experiences for different occasions
Ian I am looking for a non quad board. Been riding a quad for 2 years and went back to my standard. All the top shelf boards seem to be quad these days. Any recommendations. Has to have good float. My quad didnt float me well at 85kg and 5/11 on a 42.5@@iaincampbell_
@@danb8877 hi Dan, that’s pretty strange that you felt that way. I’m not far off your size, 81kgs and 6ft and I ride a 42 inch board with no problems.
Might just be the board you are riding and the thickness that they make them. Some boards come out a bit thinner than others.
After speaking to a shop it's a lower volume board. I just ordered a HandPicked 42 with higher volume and slotted channels. Will be ready for bali in a few weeks. Keep pushing out content mate we all love it and I really appreciate your response. Thank you.@@iaincampbell_
Thanks for the review. Those who have tested feel in your description what happens with the board
Please accept invitation on your facebook page community
Thanks man🙏🏼
Got myself a quad no regrets at all
Stoked to hear it bru 😉🤙🏼 keep ripping.
Good morning young prodigy! Hope you’re having a great rest of your year! Without even trying it I am not a fan of that quad set up. I’m sure for some. It’ll work out just perfectly with whatever they do/their style of body boarding. But personally dual channels are plenty sufficient in my opinion. I feel this quad set up is only going to appeal to those looking for down the line drive type body boarding. Always good to see you, sir Aloha from Kauai Hawaii
Agreed, I think it’s good to try and innovate in the sport and see what we can try change. This is just my honest opinion on how they feel for me. Hope you’re well 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Maybe it’s a board for a certain type of wave that has a deep take off and a quick turn around to make the pocket or the line out 🤔
Hi, I did say this in my video that I believe it would work better in waves like long barrelling waves, reefs and slabs.
Sick video!
Cool content cheers for the info!
No worries! 🤙🏼
@@iaincampbell_ aye someones heard aussies talk before, good pick up!
I've never surfed with a quad channel, I prefer my classic double channel board
Hey Iain, how is it going? Any new insights on the quads? Did you try them again? Thanks a lot for these videos btw!!!
All good thanks. Haven’t really ridden it again to be honest. But I am keen to try it out in some reef breaks at some point!
Thanks bud very interesting view of the quad. Do you recommend a bat tail or crescent for general use. Thanks as always Iain. 🤙🌊🌊
Crescent is the normal best use…
Channels are superior in any surf craft. They are in fact a concave, but with multiple edges so you get the "grip" and "punch" in turns as well. They work especially well running off into flyers on the rail.
Agree to disagree. Some don’t work and serve their function.
Works great at Supers to get down the line!
That’s one wave I expect the quad to be unreal!!
You should try single to double concave ...it's a middle ground between the two ..like you say the quads quicker then a quick thing but the bite factor ..yet on a traditional channel board you miss the speed but the control is there
A single to double concave is the best of both worlds
I cannot. I haven’t ridden any other brands. I’m contracted to riding Sniper Bodyboards since the start of 2018 and I make sure I don’t ride any other brands.
But it comes from the same manufacturer (broady in java which make sdc as well) so they definitively can do it !
It’s not about where the boards are made but more about which brands own which technology. Pride owns the SDC tech so it can’t simply be put on the Sniper boards. Broady is the manufacturer and don’t share certain tech between brands…
Yes but for a user perspective it's all about branding, communication and marketing. Most of all from same manufacturer same weird things like reverse rocker with time especially in warm weather and others ...
@@sylvainpoulain5466 for sure. It definitely comes with its issues! More competition wouldn’t be the worst thing…
Not much experience, but I felt a bit the same. Is it possible that the looseness felt when engaging rail could just be the feeling the outer channels losing flow?
Seems like what you gain down the face and on the bottom turn you lose when you rail for extended time.
To be honest I’m not too sure of the reason for it. I think more testing to see what happens with the water surface on the board is needed!
After seeing Jeff with boosting massive airs at pipeline & turbo speed I was thinking to try one . My radial flex pride feel great after landing airs is like extra cushion the problem pride board are to slim for me , maybe the team riders have little hands 😂🤙🏽
Go for it! And maybe they do, but I know they don’t 😉🤣
ive seen him ride while I would be out at sandys beach. it would be 2 ft ripples and he still would bust massive airs somehow. he has to have some secret knowledge or something it defies physics. he could probably launch on a mcdonald's tray.
Howzit Iain,
I rode a Quad channel for the first time in Portugal last week. The speed feels amazing but took a while to control it on the turns. Great review!
Would be interested if you still enjoy riding it. Maybe for certain types of waves or wave size?
Nice work! Yes I will be riding one at some of the UK slabs shortly… I only have 2 more normal boards.
Have you tried other brands quad channel boards as opposed to just the sniper ones?
No, haven’t ridden any other brands. I’m contracted to riding Sniper since the start of 2018 and I make sure I don’t ride any other brands.
Shame as some of the quad channel boards are less extreme contours compared to your ones which may offer a slightly different ride and handling? Then you may know if it is a quad issue that you are experiencing or a sniper quad issue.
U should do one of these for bat tails
I’m honestly not a fan of the bat tail to start with 🧐
I am far from being able to judge differences, but isnt it useful to get adjusted to it to be able to use it in waves/contests where the speed is needed?
After riding a bodyboard for 20+ years as a professional I can tell that some boards aren’t working for me. It’s more than just adjusting to the board… it’s about how it feels in the water and what you can do on it when you ride.
@@iaincampbell_ That´s a sincere answer. The Surfboard industry seems to go down a different route as every beginner should buy 5 different boards to be able to surf all different kinds of whitewater 😃
I’m not telling you this in the hopes to sell product. All I want to do with these videos is educate as well as help you be a better bodyboarder and enjoy the ocean.
Champion, change the 45/55 rail cut to 60/40 or 50/50.
...you might want to go a inch shorter because technology allows for more floatation.
Thank you to the person in our community that helped our sport grow.
I think there are many ideas of how to try and change boards and make them work, however, I am happy with how my boards feel. Just need some slight adjustments!
Inch shorter is way too much. I tried a quarter inch and it felt like I had lost half my board 🤣
@@iaincampbell_ you coming to O'ahu this winter?
Going to try…
May suit riders who don't do tricks and just like to charge ?
If you wanna go fast it’s a really fun board. Will be bringing one out to try again soon.
yeah bru love ya!
I think the quad channel is an open door to get into big wave bodyboarding
Potentially!
Broo it looks high tech from a traditional flat slab lol…come to find out traditional slab is traditional for a main reason why its a go-to
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Spanish bro plis
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Will try get on it soon…
Looks good to hit wedges and get bazzas. Not good for much else imho. Looks like a nightmare to DK, esp if you love big snaps n tailthrows.
100%.
Quad channel boards have been on the Gold Coast Aussie for 10
Years
Awesome. I’ve just had the first try on mine last year.