THE ONE EXPOSURE MODE TO RULE THEM ALL?
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- A comprehensive explanation of Canon's FV mode introduced with their RF cameras. I use FV mode at in the field and share my thoughts on FV mode. If you're a user of FV mode, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments section below. Cheers, Duade
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Chapters
00:00 Fv Exposure Mode
00:32 Exposure Basics
01:26 Aperture
03:36 Shutter Speed
06:28 ISO
08:34 Exposure Modes
10:22 FV Mode
17:18 In The Field
17:43 Pacific Black Duck
19:55 Australian Wood Duck
25:03 Light & Kookaburra
30:00 Australian Wood Duck
31:15 Conclusion
33:05 Outtakes
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Good detailed explanations and examples of exposure. I have the R7 and didn't know about this feature but will give it a try when I next go out shooting birds/wildlife. Looks like a game changer to me. Love the way you asked for a cuddle from the dog at the end.
I've never heard of FV mode before. A very good explanation of how it works. 👍
Thanks Justin, yes, very interesting and a nice option to have, Cheers, Duade
Excellent video that takes the time to go through actual shooting situations with the thinking behind the settings and the results compared. All of this tied in with introduction and actual use of Fv Mode is a great introduction to the entire process of shooting with even some post production tips and explanation. Thank you Duane.
Never tried that before and will definitely give it a go when taking early morning surf pics. Thanks Duade.
Duade, I always learn stuff from your videos. You make it so easy for a hobbyist such as myself.
As usual: an extremely educational and helpful video. Thanx!
Hey Duade, i'm fairly new to bird photography, just bought the R7. After some research I decided to primarily shoot in FV. I find it is making me think about my shots a lot more and I am enjoying it. These kind of videos certainly help with practical advice. Thank You!!!
Thanks Lee, it is my pleasure and great to hear it is working well for you. Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade. I use manual with auto iso on my R7. I have set my dials up as such with exposure compensation on the back wheel and shutter speed on the top wheel. This allows me to use my two most common settings as quickly and efficiently as possible. I shoot mostly with the RF100-500 so I usually shoot wide open but also have the ring on the lens to adjust my aperture. If I want to choose a manual iso setting I just hit the pre set iso button on top or I assigned the right arrow button to iso as I find this easier to find when looking through the viewfinder.
Thanks for the video, super interesting and helpful in so many ways as usual.
My world is rocked. I had no idea this was there.
Thank you so much Duade! I have only had the R7 for a month but getting to know it, and the FV mode was something I hadn't got my head around yet! What a great feature! You've explained it so well, and I'm looking forward to using it. Thank you!
So helpful, thanks a lot for this explanations!
Best explanations I've seen. Kudos!
I had no idea about this mode before your video, so thanks for this. I used it at my local wildlife reserve this morning and absolutely loved it. Thanks again Duade for yet another informative video.
Duade, Thank you for his video and your endorsement of FV mode. I am definitely going to explore the advantages of using FV on my R6. In addition, I would encourage all beginning and advanced photographers to watch your video for explanations of the “basics”. Your skill as an instructor and your in-depth understanding of photography are a gift to your viewers. I’m still working on how high ISO does not create more noise; that has been the “golden rule” in my generation of shooters. However, know you are correct. Best to you in 2023!
Amazing explanation. NOW I going to play with this mode! Thank you for this!!!
I'm definitely going to try FV mode on my R5 and R6. Right now I have exposure compensation set to the lens ring, but it's hard to use it without taking my eye off the viewfinder. This looks way easier!
Thanks so much for the clear explanation of FV Mode, really helpful
Duade - Thanks so much for the video on FV mode. I have been shooting in manual mode on my R6 body since I bought the camera. But I discovered FV mode just in time before our trip to Alaska next month. Now thanks to your video I'm prepared to use it to get some great shots on the trip. All the best and thanks again
Hi Duade. When photographing birds on my Olympus cameras, I almost always use A mode with Auto-ISO and taking advantage of a feature where you specify the lowest acceptable shutter speed and the cap for the ISO. The camera will honor the shutter speed and crank up the ISO when needed, up to the cap set by the user. The ISO cap is mainly determined by the camera generation, for the OM-1 I will set the ISO cap to 6400; previous generation cameras would be lower; depending on how much noise you tolerate. For the shutter speed, I set it depending on the subject and shooting conditions. For static subjects and no wind I will use 1/100s... 1/500s depending on available light, for large predictable birds in flight typically 1/1000s...1/2000s, for challenging BIF photos of smaller birds at a closer distance as fast as it requires. This way I benefit from an exposure mode that is a hybrid of aperture and time priority that allows me full control of aperture and exposure compensation while still having some control of shutter speed at the same time. When adequate I tweak the settings and save them in one of the custom modes so I can quickly switch between modes with confidence that I will use values that give the results I am after. The only situation when this does not work as intended is when using long exposure time to blur wings and background when panning, then shooting in manual mode makes more sense.
I am aware that you and most people in this channel use Canon gear but I wanted to share my experience.
Cheers, Tord
This changes my Photography moving on from Av to flexibel mode! Great explanation! Thanks!
Outstanding video, next time I go out I will give it a try. Thanks!!!!
Another excellent video Duade full of inspiration and new information. I must admit, if not the only one, you are one of the few photographers who help us beginners with your videos. Always with useful tips and tricks, and in depth analysis of the functionality of the camera, not only in your studio but also on the field. And for the people who read the comments, Duade is the only one who takes time to answer your questions and help you with your struggles in bird photography. Thanks mate!!! 👍🏼
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate the feedback, I wish I could answer all the comments but there are so many these days. Hopefully someone in our beautiful community will answer. Cheers, Duade
I've been using FV mode very early on on my R7 and love it. I'm not as adept at making the changes through the EVF, due to a recent cataract surgery making me farsighted, so I quickly back away to make necessary changes. I do pay close attention to the histogram when setting up exposure, even am aware of changing the EC as you described when necessary.
Really useful tutorial, Duade. Thank you
Well done my friend! Love the reminders about taking multiple photos and merging them in post to get the appearance of a greater depth of field. Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure Tom, Cheers, Duade
I appreciate your explanation of how the Fv mode works it has been a mystery for me and I always use manual mode because I learned the old school way back in the early ‘70s. I can see though how this could be useful with some practice. Thanks for the tutorial!
Great explanation. Been using r6 for a couple years. I really like the r6’s dedicated ISO wheel. Very convenient for video in changing light conditions where you can’t adjust shutter speed and need to keep the depth of field consistent. For photos in changing light conditions I find manual with auto ISO works great and I assign exp compensation to the lens giving me four adjustment dials without toggling through anything. With the r7 FV mode looks more appealing with the lack of ISO dial…
I just love all of your videos, Duade. Thank you! Now I can’t wait to try out FV mode on my R7. Wish I’d known about it prior to my recent birding trip to CR where I mostly shot in M+Auto ISO. Challenging environment and often very low light conditions, but I managed to get some pretty good shots. In no small part because of all of your informative videos!😊
That is wonderful Amy, glad to hear the videos are helping. I hope you got some lovely shots on your trip. Cheers, Duade 👍
I use it with my R5 and R6 along with the 800mm F11. I love it and how quick I can change ISO and shutter without having to move my eye from the viewfinder.
Thanks Garry, great to hear it is working well for you. Cheers, Duade
Great content Duade. I've actually used the focus stacking & in camera compostion to focus stack Water Dragons on the R7 with the RF 100 - 500 L IS USM. Usually set around 10-15 frames & bingo! The R7 does the stack, i camera & produces a high resl Jpeg. You also get the RAW files.
Great tips and info! I struggled a bit with Fv at first but that I think was more so user error where I was using shutter speed adjustments with the ISO on auto in cloudy conditions with varying background light so my ISO kept changing in the extremes and I had trouble with exposing the subject correctly. The exposure compensation and shutter adjustments seem like the proper fix for that so I'm looking forward to adopting that method.
Great video I’ve never really noticed how the higher iso can be as clean as the lower iso at a correct exposure I’ve just always been one for keeping it as low as possible
That was so informative. I am off to set up FV mode. Great vid Duade, keep 'em coming. Thanks
Great stuff, Duade! I especially appreciate the tip on panorama for wildlife, never considered trying that. The kookaburra came out very nicely!
This is great information! I never knew about FV mode. I always hated how the cheaper Canon Cameras, such as the RP and even new R8 didn’t have a 3rd wheel. I am very use to having 3 wheels on my R5 for shooting in manual mode. This FV appears to make it much easier to adjust all 3 settings without the need for a 3rd wheel on the camera body! Great video as always. And, very informative!
A lot of great information in here. I mostly shoot landscapes but might start using FV mode solely for the purpose of getting to know it for the opportunities of quick wildlife photography in the field. I really hope they carry the R7 style thumb button over to future a R5 camera.
Excellent information and advice thanks Dwade
Hi Duade. Thank you for making this video. Its main focus is to introduce us to FV mode. But I think it's great for two reasons. One the FV mode but also the first part about exposure and getting that right. That was a great explanation. Second the FV mode I gave it a try and will not go back. For me it will improve my workflow.
I started using Fv on my R5 right after I got it and was blown away by how useful it was. It also made me wonder how this never appeared before now, at least since DSLRs had auto-ISO. I really miss it when I go back to my older DSLR after being spoiled by it on the R5.
There is one thing to note: safety shift, as it exists for Av and Tv modes, does not seem to activate when you're in Fv and you've configured it with a fixed aperture or shutter speed. So, e.g., if I'm in Fv mode using the 85mm f/1.2 and I've got it set to f/1.2 and ISO 100 outdoors, and it's really bright such that even 1/8000s is overexposed, the camera will not stop down the lens to safety shift for proper exposure like it would with the same settings in Av mode.
I just gave it a try and I like it on my R5. I have 3 buttons set up for back button focus so this works well to keep everything in close proximity for fast changes. I wish the R5 had the red box around the active setting in the view finder like the R7 does, rather than the icon at the side. Your presentation of this mode was so clear and precise--much better than any I looked at yrs ago! Thanks so much--Catherine
Just found this video by chance and this is so well presented/explained. I take landscape photos & just got a canon R6 mk 2, so was interested in learning about the FV mode.
Thank you very much for sharing, very informative.
What a great video! Really enjoyed this with your explanations and real use cases. I’m pondering if the 100-500 is my next lens..
Very good topic, I actually learned about flexible value mode, playing with my camera and have been using it for the last two years😬 the only other modes I switch to call my pre-programmed C1 through C3 for when I want to shoot something I don’t have time to configure it
I first started using Fv Mode on my Canon M6 II and was impressed by its convenience. I am therefore delighted to see it getting more recognition with RF cameras. Thanks for providing such a clear and cogent explanation.
With my new R7, I am torn between Fv and Manual with AutoISO, since the latter provides separate control wheels to adjust shutter speed and aperture, and I can assign exposure compensation to the RF lens ring. This is also convenient, as I am not too worried about ISO with newer sensors and noise-reducing software.
Absolute wonderful video. I learned more in 30 minutes than I've learned in many of my college courses 40 years ago. I plan on changing my photography techniques to include the Fv mode. Keep up the videos. Love your accent and teaching method.
Glad it was helpful!
A great explanation of not only the FV mode but also of grain / ISO effects and balance, and some lovely shots into the bargain... great work all round :)
I've played with FV a little but with this demo I may have another go although I'm so used to AV I'm going to find it really challenging to swap after decades thinking in that way!
Very informative video again, Duade - nice job! Thank you for the continued efforts in providing education & entertainment to the community I definitely enjoyed the clips from the field again and seeing the cool species you get to spend your time with in that part of the world. I think I liked the in focus hen Wood Duck & out of focus male shot better than the blended one, but it's obviously all about personal preference. Both shots were, of course, very well done.
The recap on exposure was a good one for those getting started and trying to figure it all out. I thought it was clear and concise. Your mention of the non ISO invariant sensors in the Canon cameras was a good one. I often forget about it out of habit, but feel it is quite important to consider when determining what exposure to set, especially if you shoot other camera brands with invariant sensors.
I also found the tip on using the eye tracking & shooting multiple frame compositions with the Kookaburra enlightening. I never thought of trying that before. It's funny because I have merged plenty of frames in LR for landscapes and astro in the past; just never thought of using it for wildlife in that way. Thanks much for the advice there! I will surely get that a shot next time it is needed.
I have tried the Fv mode and find that Manual with auto ISO works better for me most of the time. When shooting wildlife I almost never touch my ISO & so having 2 wheels works for me on the R7. I find Fv slower usually; feeling like I have to take 2 steps to change one value (if that value is not already highlighted). The only time I use it on occasion is with gloves, when I find the small Q/set button in the middle of the D pad hard to manipulate. In those instances, using just the 2 wheels in Fv mode can seem better.
Thanks again for another great video & may you find many willing subjects there at the end of summer. Best regards ~ Chris
Thanks Chris, wonderful comments and thanks for the feedback, yes, I think we tend to stick with what works for us and manual plus auto ISO is the most common and easiest mode for most. Yes the stitching does not always work but getting more habitat around the subject can help later on. Have fun out there, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for your clarification of the relation between ISO, shutter speed, light on the sensor and noise level. It is an important relation to know. I see many discussions in Facebook threats, where people argue about noise level and using noise reduction. I think noise reduction software could be avoided in many instances, if it was more known what you can do with modern cameras.
Thank you very much for this video. I will give this mode a try in the coming days. And yes, I will definitely be watching this video multiple times.
Thank you for this! As you know, camera's aren't simply camera's anymore...they're computer's, so any bit of helpful info is greatly appreciated and I love this feature/setting!
How i like when you explain, You explain very simple and effective ,Thanks you are a true teacher ..
These exposure basics are what I was looking for! They allows to compare lenses more practically. On the one hand, the 3 stops difference is not that much between 500f4 and 800f11, especially given the price. But on the other - in low light every 1/3 of a stop may be decisive…
I’ve always ignored every other mode my whole life and just stuck on Manual mode only but this Fv mode sounds great because it’s 4 changes pretty fast and easy! Might start practicing this!
Very interesting. I liked both of the female/male wood duck shots, but preffered the one in which they were both in focus. Another great post!
Thanks Barbara, yes, a lovely species of duck that I love to see and photograph. Cheers, Duade
Cheers Duade. I've been shooting Canon for over 40 yeas now and I recently got an R7. Based on the lack of all dials I was used to I decided to use FV mode. It gets a little bit of time to get used to drop the muscle memory of all dials always on the same spot since the film days. Once that hurdle is overcome, it works like a charm I shoot manual with auto ISO and I use the RF lens ring for exposure compensation. It the makes me not miss the third wheel. Thanks for enticing me to look into this mode.
Thanks Duade!! Excellent video!
For wildlife I've recently started using Fv mode on my R6 and mostly like the consistent muscle memory of using the back dial to select the adjustment and the top dial for changes to the adjustment. I generally set the shutter speed and find the the camera algorithm does the two things I want; select a more open aperture, for better bokeh and a low ISO to minimize noise. All I do after that is touch up on the exposure control, usually with the control ring on the lens. Wildlife photography, especially birds, requires fast decisions and I'm too much of an amateur to go 100% manual. I'll use the camera features as best as I can. I've also programmed the depth of field button for an "instant" speed adjustments as I've lost too many birds in flight shots ;-(.
Thanks for the great clear video!
Thank you. That was really helpful. I think I just took a major step forward- all the things that have been grinding around for the last year just clicked. I’ve shot mostly on M for a long time, recently started trying to get AV and TV to work for me in different situations, but struggled a bit at times. The FV will be fin to play with and see if the knowledge has stuck.
Hi Duade, Love the channel and always great content, I have been using Fv on the R7 for 6 months and love it due to the lack of a third dial on the body as you said. I still use the 3 dials & manual settings on the R5 and R6 in difficult lighting situations but with auto ISO when light and backgrounds are more even. I find it awkward using the control ring on the lens, specially in fast moving situations, Fv is the best option for the R7 for me but prefer manual ( and auto ISO) for the R5 and R6. Keep up the great work from a very cold Wales.
Duade,
Another great video. I have generally been shooting in Manual and trying to improve on that and also Auto is kind of my fallback. I am still in the process of learning all the newer features of a newer camera the R5, so that is a work in progress. I like to get it so I don't have to think about where things are. I am going to have to see how FV mode will work for me. As you pointed out it has the same settings as Manual and in some ways easier to access. I think it could really help, but need to go out and use it. Thank you for a very good explanation of how it works.
Thank you so much for this tutorial. I’m definitely going to try this soon.
Good luck Diane, Cheers, Duade 👍
Why didn't I know this BEFORE??? What a great way. I have mostly used manual for 30 odd years but this is a great all in system. Good on you Duade!
Very informative video. Thank You
Thank you for another informative video. I've been using the FV mode on my two Canon M6 Mark II cameras for the past couple of years. I think that was the first camera that mode was offered on. I'm a little surprised how seldom that camera is mentioned for wildlife and bird photography. It has a lot in common with the newer R7, and especially the 90D which was released at the same time, both of which are much more widely recognized and mentioned. I used the AV mode for years, starting with my first camera, a 10D, and continuing through subsequent bodies ending with the 7D Mk II. Like you, I find it to be fast and flexible, especially in combination with the EVF and all the info that provides. This year I've been shooting in manual. I like the consistency of exposure on my subject, but I'm struggling in situations that require fast response.
What a fantastic video. Thanks for sharing
Very informative. I will give Fv mode a tryout. Thanks!
Thank you for an excellent explanation!
Absolutely my favourite mode of shooting on the R5. Discovered it shortly after getting the camera and have not used anything since. For the reason you cite - it's all of them in one.
Thanks for your comments on the use of the Fv mode on the Canon R7. I'm a new R7 user, and have been enjoying the camera, and in particular, the Fv mode greatly. My typical setup is set shutter speed and aperture and set ISO to auto. I then use ExpComp for slight exposure adjustments when I'm actively shooting. The ExpComp adjustment is on the dial right next to the shutter button, so I can very quickly make any necessary exposure adjustments as I'm shooting. Thanks, Jack G.
I use the Fv mode from day one on my R7 (yes, I read the manual before I received the camera :) ). I love it because I have full flexibility without looking for the right button or dial in different situations.
I never use or need Tv, Av, P and M and I would like to use these mode-dial settings as custom modes like C4 to C7 instead, but I am sure that Canon will never change this.
What Canon could easily add to make Fv mode perfectly is to give us this small arrow under the exposure-meter, which indicates if the image will be overexposed or underexposed when shutterspeed, aperture and ISO are all set to non-auto values. Just like it does in M-mode.
Thanks, good explanation of Fv mode, just upgraded to an R6Mk2 so really looking forward to seeing what I can do with it.
I have my R5 since a year, never tried the FV mode. For sure it will be the next thing I will do. Great video packed with so many informations, it will take a few weeks for me to proceed ;-) The part about ISO and noise related to the amount of light was absolutely new and surprised me. I guess this theme would be worth a video of its own. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!
Hi, I will try it. It looks promising, thanks. Regards from Argentina
Hi Duade learnt something new. Thank you
I have a Canon R10 and I thought I would give it a go and use FV mode for my camera for aviation photography that I do. All I can say is thank you. The difference in quality of my pictures is unbelievable. Using FV mode on auto has made me realise I don’t need 1/2000 or 1/1600 shutter speed for moving aircraft. I get better exposure and clarity letting the camera do this (all I needed was 1/500). Great video, great detail and thanks again.
Great Video, Thanks a lot, Duade!
I was using Fv on my R just last weekend with some juvenile bald eagles up my way (North of Seattle.) with good result.
I really appreciate your contrasting your RAW file with the post-edit. Thank you!
G'day Duade, wow what an educational video that was & a lot to take in for a layman like myself but very useful.
Also I love the interaction with the 4 legged wildlife.
Thanks George, yes, a multiple watch video perhaps, thanks for the feedback, yes I enjoyed the cuddles at the end. Cheers, Duade
I use FV mode on my Canon M6 mark II. I have learned how to use manual focus lenses too. FV really makes it so I can change anything quick. Once the scene is set, just turn the focus ring and hit the shutter button. It all sounds so easy. Practice is the key.
Clear and concise 👌🏾👍🏾
Very informative. I am a Nikon user but the bit about using a higher ISO and getting correct exposure may have a less noise is a game changer.
Great video Duade - best one for a Long time. I have been using FV mode on my R7 after I found out, how much easier it is on that camera.
Great video,really helpful
Love the two dogs coming in to say hello at the end!
Nice tutorial, you covered the topic well and was very useful. FV mode was always a bit of a mystery to me.
I have been using FV mode for several years now. It's really the only mode I use. I never really use Av or Tv mode before, because I did not understand the need for the longest time. But what I learned about Tv Mode, and Auto Tv in Fv Mode, is that the minimum Shutter can change depending on your Focal length. This can come in particularly useful with a Zoom lens, if you are trying to use that Shutter Speed to Focal length method.
I have been using FV since early spring. Birding and air shows. Love it. R5 500 and 70-200.
Well you solved a my biggest problem! When I shoot wildlife I always set my shutter speed and aperture and then only adjust my ISO. Living in Northern Ontario, Canada I need to wear gloves 4-5 months of the year especially early mornings and evenings and I find the top rear dial tough to operate, then combine that with using 3 button back-button focus my thumb already has enough to do. For some unknown reason Canon only lets you assign shutter or aperture to the front dial which is so much easier to operate with gloves. Thank you very much for the awesome tip! I'm heading out right now to give it a whirl!!
Excellent episode thanks Duade
I thought I understood FV mode but I had missed the feature that pushing the trash button sets auto more easily than scrolling down to the lowest setting. I might like a way also to move the auto setting back from auto to what was last used but this is a very attractive feature. Thank you.
If there are certain settings you always uae, you could try using them on one, two or all of the C settings. If you ensure that these remain unchanged when you switch the camera off, it won't matter too much if you change them to suit the conditions on one particular day as you won't lose your basic settings.
@@jayengee I don't think Doug is referring to a preset for all the settings, more a CTRL Z/Undo on the one setting he just changed. Like if you have ISO 800 manually set, hit trash for it to go to Auto, that you could hit trash again and have it go back to ISO 800.
As far as I know, there is no such shortcut, but I'll dig a little more and see if there's another way to achieve this.
Really enjoy your videos, mate. Hope your health is progressing well.
Excellent video mate. Thanks for sharing your skills and knowledge. I will try FV mode on my next walk about. Cheers.
Good luck Rich, Cheers, Duade
in R7 the keypad will reset the selected settings or reset all the settings. so make sure you disable it in customize btn function.
i assign my down key to reset all exposure setting and left key reset selected exposure setting .then assign my right & up key to other function .
Thanks for that, Cheers, Duade
Great, informative video!
Hi Duade, this is a great video. Thanks to you I'll be working to get comfortable with Fv mode on my R5 and see how it works for me. I suspect wonderfully and will be of regular use. Cheers!
Excellent video mate. I have the R5 since the last couple of years and shot only manual so far. Thanks for this, can’t wait to try it out when I go to the jungle in a week!
Good luck, you may find your existing setup easier with three dials but worth a try. Cheers, Duade 👍
Duade! I could never quite figure out what the fuss was about, but now I think I get it! With this, I can shoot my usual shutter priority and also keep it as wide open as possible. Sometimes I'm in a dark area and it stops the aperture down a little further than I'd like. With this it seems like I can shoot shutter priority and it will keep the aperture as wide (or stopped down) as I want. I think I have that right...?
And that photomerge tip was great
It is my pleasure, each mode has pros and cons and ultimately it is the one you feel most comfortable using. Cheers, Duade
Hey Duade, I've used FV mode since I bought my R5 back in Sept 2020! I got caught out early on when everything went black on the viewfinder. It is essential you have either the ISO or Aperture set to Auto to make it work properly. I now lock my settings with the lock button on the top of the
R5 body and if I want to change my settings I can do it manually by touching the screen on the back of the camera. FV Mode is just a no-brainer for me and I use the fro]nt control wheel to control my exposure compensation. I use FV Mode on my R7 as well.
Thanks for the video. It's a very good walk-through of Fv mode. I ignored Fv for a long time because I thought it was just a gimmick, but after buying an R7 and becoming a bit frustrated by the lack of a third control wheel, I decided to give it a go. That decision changed the way I shoot. I used to use either fully manual, manual plus auto ISO or aperture priority, depending on the scene and what I wanted to achieve. With Fv mode, I found I could do all these things more quickly, especially on the R7. It's probably a bit less useful on cameras with a third wheel (especially when you throw the lens wheel into the mix) but now that I've got used to using Fv, I find it's my mode of choice a lot of the time. I didn't know about using the Trash button to set an exposure parameter to Auto either - so thanks for that!
My pleasure Mike, glad to hear it's working well for you. Yes the trash button works well. Cheers, Duade 👍